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Subject: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: InOBU Date: 20 Sep 05 - 06:33 PM http://plaininthecity.blogspot.com/ <- there is my blog with photos. Photos of me singing, then Cindy talking, then the cops rushing the stage yesterday. My photos show her being pulled away by the crowd, but Dave McRennolds of the War Resisters League sent out an email saying she was arrested... anyone know? Cheers Lorcan |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: Peace Date: 20 Sep 05 - 06:40 PM Not according to this. |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: GUEST Date: 20 Sep 05 - 06:48 PM Just demonstrates that if you badmouth Hillary (Rodham C.), you better stay out of the state of New York. Another thing, besides wanting the troops out of Iraq, this 'loose cannon' was calling for the troops to be removed from New Orleans. Wonder if they took her to Bellevue. |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: McGrath of Harlow Date: 20 Sep 05 - 07:17 PM "...unauthorized use of a sound device" The human voice is "a sound device", albeit a natural one - and so is any musical instrument, of course. |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: Peace Date: 20 Sep 05 - 07:20 PM Except the banjo . . . . |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: maire-aine Date: 20 Sep 05 - 07:35 PM This from the Associated Press via AOL New, just as I signed on a few minutes ago: Sheehan, the grieving mother whose vigil near President Bush's Texas ranch sparked anti-war protests around the country, said she wasn't roughed up by police, but was jostled when officers broke up the rally and arrested organizer Paul Zulkowitz. "I think their use of force was pretty excessive for someone that didn't have a permit," Sheehan said. Zulkowitz was charged with unauthorized use of a sound device and disorderly conduct. He was given a court summons and released. |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: InOBU Date: 21 Sep 05 - 07:58 AM Some of the press who were there, could not tell what happened and we ran my video in the park with them, to try and see, I was about seven feet from her at the moment the police rushed the mic ( do check out the photographs on my blog, the link is in the first post on this thread... ) Even that close it is hard to see what is going on, in the first minute, I raised my camera on the tripod and you can see the cops taking away the sound system, but not arresting Zulkowitz, or where Cindy Sheehan is. Rather, the moment the police arrive, you see, in the screan grab on my blog, the arm of a supporter pulling Sheehan to the right as the police come forward from the left. Almost emidiatly there was a massive crush, as there were lots of people there already, suddunly there are a large number of cops pressing into the crowd. Frankly, there was no attempt to ASK for the PA system. Had they done that, there would have been NO injuries, and possibly no arrests! This was not a dangerous violent bunch. Well, there you are, I am happy Cindy was not lifted. Cheers lor |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: kendall Date: 21 Sep 05 - 08:03 AM She's a hero in my book. |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: InOBU Date: 21 Sep 05 - 08:11 AM Well... Kendall, not to speak for her, but if she knew ya, I'm sure you'd be a hero in her book, you know your a hero in most of our books... cheers lor |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: hilda fish Date: 21 Sep 05 - 08:22 AM Cindy Sheehan is amazing - driven by her own very real grief to challenge that very structure that created it and took her son and many mothers sons, and daughters from them. It would have been so easy to just go away and weep forever - many mothers do and that is understandable. To lose ones son is a terrible thing - to gather the grief and use it constructively for a better humanity and in such a gentle and humble way - is heroic. I've just checked and apparently she is not arrested. Good on you for being their and to all those who are of the same beliefs. You're all heroes in my eyes. Big cheer to every one of you! |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: freda underhill Date: 21 Sep 05 - 08:23 AM great blog, InObu - and for those who want to see the action, here's InOBU's link freda |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: Donuel Date: 21 Sep 05 - 08:36 AM They could organize a "silent" demonstration that would be transmitted via radio to peoples podcasts, phones, XM, and sport radios. Air America should look into this. maybe OBU could pass along this idea since I don't have a degree. |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: frogprince Date: 21 Sep 05 - 02:40 PM A question, which I'm honestly not just asking rhetorically, although I do suspect the answer. Is any regulation requiring a permit for use of a speaker system enforced with any regularity in New York, or is it dredged up just occasionally and capriciously? Even if the regulation is enforced with some consistency, it's pitiful to think of this being handled like it was. The police department might have some justification for having a number of officers standing by in a possible touchy situation involving a crowd. But a couple of officers should have walked up and dealt with this at the level of a parking violation. |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: katlaughing Date: 21 Sep 05 - 03:01 PM Everything that hilda said! THANKS, Lorcan, for being there and being YOU! frogprince, here's some info on that: They can't stop the antiwar movement, but that doesn't mean they aren't trying. On Monday, September 19 Cindy Sheehan spoke in New York City's Union Square to a group of supporters and onlookers when police rushed in to break up her speech as it was winding down. "I was speaking and someone grabbed my backpack and pulled me back pretty roughly," Sheehan told the Associated Press. "I was shoved around." Police arrested organizer Paul Zulkowitz, who was charged with disorderly conduct as well as for using an unauthorized sound device. For anybody that has been through Union Square in the past few weeks, you've probably seen Zulkowitz (a.k.a. Zool) who heads up "Camp Casey NYC," a small group of local activists who set up an encampment over a month ago to show their solidarity for Sheehan's quest to end the Iraq war. Zool's arrest was most likely a coordinated effort meant to disrupt the ongoing antiwar vigil. "Since when can't you talk out here in Union Square?" an Upper West Side social worker told the Village Voice following the incident. "I've seen everyone and their mother come out and speak nonsense out here in this park, and for them to shut down Cindy Sheehan is just not right." There is no question that the New York Police Department overreacted. I can't tell you how many times I've personally shuffled through Union Square where musicians and others were plugged into (unauthorized, I am sure) amplifiers -- singing their tunes or spewing their political propaganda. And never once I have I seen a police officer run in and pull the Bob Dylan or Abbie Hoffman wannabe from his microphone. No, there's a reason why they targeted Cindy Sheehan and not these fellows. Quashing Cindy is a different issue altogether, and it carries a lot more weight. For starters Sheehan is actually being heard and getting her fair share of media coverage. She is proof that the antiwar movement is gaining speed. And that's a dangerous predicament for those that support Bush's dubious war, including Mayor Michael Bloomberg who is clearly plotting his own trajectory within the Republican establishment. Unplugging Sheehan undoubtedly scored Bloomberg a few brownie points with the Bush cartel -- as if jailing 1,8000 protestors during the Republican National Convention wasn't enough. Silencing Cindy Sheehan in Union Square should show us all what we are really up against. Over 1,900 US troops have died thus far in Iraq, not to mention countless civilians. And for what? The NYPD and government officials don't want us to ask that important question, which means we have to be even more vigilant in our efforts to expose Bush's war for the fraud that it is. Joshua Frank is the author of Left Out!: How Liberals Helped Reelect George W. Bush, published by Common Courage Press. You can order a copy at a discounted rate at www.brickburner.org. Joshua can be reached at Joshua@brickburner.org. |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: GUEST Date: 21 Sep 05 - 03:12 PM Ms. Sheehan is not a major figure in any movement. As posted earlier, don't you think that her little brush with the police was perhaps a result of her putting the 'bad mouth' on Hillary Clinto a day or two before? |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: InOBU Date: 21 Sep 05 - 07:18 PM Dear Guest, no I don't and yes she is. Frogprice: They did try to get a permit and were turned down for it. Frankly, it would have gotten less press if they let her speak. Kat , Hilda, love ya and thanks... Donuel, degree or not, no one listens to me, exept sometimes when I sing, so maybe we can both write a song about it :) Hugs all around, even to Guest with the bag over its head... Cheers lor |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: Don Firth Date: 21 Sep 05 - 08:11 PM It looks to me like GUEST here has a real hard-on for Hillary Clinton. I think that, rather than trying to take some kind of petty retribution for remarks that Cindy Sheehan made, Hillary is big enough to take it in stride and in the light of what has actually happened, think that Ms. Sheehan may very well be right. I think some people will still be taking pot-shots at the Clintons fifty years from now. Baseless hatred is a sad thing. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: GUEST Date: 21 Sep 05 - 09:32 PM I could care less about Hillary - but she is not one to take much. She was surrounded by bodies during her reign in the White House. The bag you refer to is not over this head but there may be some here who are wearing one. Poor Ms. Sheehan has been ineffective. The proof is demonstrated by those DC types who no longer hang with her. I am still waiting for someone to comment on her saying "the troops should be removed from Iraq AND New Orleans. |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: Stu Date: 22 Sep 05 - 06:04 AM Land of the free? Don't you lot have a written constitution to protect people's right to free speech? |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: kendall Date: 22 Sep 05 - 08:19 AM Yes we do, but it also applies to assholes who have nothing good to say about anyone. |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: GUEST Date: 22 Sep 05 - 08:59 AM Hmmnn, I may resemble that remark Kendall, but if I do, so do 85% of the people that post here. Off the top, I would not include Susu' hubby and the few that think like him which usually includes me. My comments on Ms. Sheehan have nothing to do with her loss. I have no idea of what that was like. However, she is being used although not as much as before and her mundane statements are not helping anything. She probably needs counseling as a result of her loss but rather receiving that, she has been shuttled around the country by those who would use anyone to advance their cause. A**hole??? That could apply to someone who ignores my request for a comment regarding her saying"the troops should be pulled from Iraq AND New Orleans. |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: Jeri Date: 22 Sep 05 - 10:50 AM GUEST, I can't seem to find evidence of Cindy Sheehan having said the troops should be pulled from New Orleans as you claim. I DID find a quote from her that reads, "Bush says he has made America safer. Well, ask the people of New Orleans, if they feel safer?" - Cindy Sheehan Rips War Party in Baltimore Talk I've looked. I can't find it and think it's likely you invented Ms Sheehan's comment. If I'm wrong, you should have no trouble providing a link to the entire actual quotation. |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: John Hardly Date: 22 Sep 05 - 02:00 PM Jeri, It's always hard to find a right-leaning source that anyone here will accept, but if you google on "PULL OUR TROOPS OUT OF OCCUPIED NEW ORLEANS" you'll get about a dozen pages on google. |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: beardedbruce Date: 22 Sep 05 - 02:04 PM AltaVista found 27,500 results .... |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: GUEST Date: 22 Sep 05 - 03:04 PM Aww, I aint gonna believe any of them lying 27,500 right wing conspirators. |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: Don Firth Date: 22 Sep 05 - 03:15 PM Well, we could make an honest try to actually quote what she really said, but that might get in the way of the message we want to get across. Here's what Cindy Sheehan said: Describing the scene [in New Orleans], she wrote, "I saw soldiers walking around in patrols of 7 with their weapons slung on their backs. I wanted to ask one of them what it would take for one of them to shoot me. Sand bags were removed from private property to make machine gun nests."Here's the source: TWANG! Does anybody really want to quarrel with what she said? If so, kindly explain. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: John Hardly Date: 22 Sep 05 - 03:23 PM Yeah Don, Define "the vast majority". You choose to believe the left-wing propaganda that says there were no violent looters (though they were the same left-wing propagandists/blame-bush-first crowd that were trying to get traction with the notion that that same military presence was late in coming just a week before). I don't believe it. But I am tickled pink to have Sheehan speaking for your side of things. I wish you had hundreds more Sheehans. |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: Don Firth Date: 22 Sep 05 - 03:24 PM More (from the Drudge Report!): "I don't care if a human being is black, brown, white, yellow or pink. I don't care if a human being is Christian, Muslim, Jew, Buddhist, or pagan. I don't care what flag a person salutes: if a human being is hungry, then it is up to another human being to feed him/her. George Bush needs to stop talking, admit the mistakes of his all around failed administration, pull our troops out of occupied New Orleans and Iraq, and excuse his self from power. The only way America will become more secure is if we have a new administration that cares about Americans even if they don't fall into the top two percent of the wealthiest."Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: Don Firth Date: 22 Sep 05 - 03:29 PM "Vast majority" was her expression, John, not mine. Hence, I don't need to define it. Frankly, I believe her. I've heard and read news reports that tend to verify what she says. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: Jeri Date: 22 Sep 05 - 03:49 PM Don & John, thanks. I tried Google, but apparently wasn't asking for enough specific information. The quote originally appeared in a message from her on MichaelMoore.com |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: GUEST Date: 22 Sep 05 - 03:59 PM I am not villifying Ms. Sheehan. I think she is doing the anti-war movement an injustice with her "loose cannon" approach. This is a tough place for one not from the left to make comments that are accepted. My thought was to challenge someone to do it for me. I know nothing of Ms. Sheehan except what I read in various newspapers and magazines. I do not know the posters here but I have seen where the majority were critizing GWB for no troops have also been trying to make Sheehan heroine of the decade. |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: GUEST Date: 22 Sep 05 - 05:48 PM Don, I had to stop back in here due to something you said three posts before this; "I believe her" - to me, you are saying that the troops should be pulled out of New Orleans. What has caused you to change your mind from a couple weeks ago when you complaining (read bitching) that GWB was a slacker, a no good rat and a poor excuse for an administrator due to the lack of troop being sent to New Orleans. Have I missed some of your posts? |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: InOBU Date: 22 Sep 05 - 06:03 PM "The bag over your head" Well, let's see, Remember Romber Room, Ms. Barbara would hold up the mirror and say... I see Don, and Lorcan, and Kat and Kat and Bruce and and and Hilda and, let me see... there is..." and we come to the kid watching who has not got a name, hence the bag over her head. So, here we are, you are slagging a mother who lost her son in this pointless war, and taken to the street to demand change, risking a whole lot, and you wont even take the bag off your head to the point of joining mudcat and using a psudoname. You remain the voice from under the brown paper bag. Frankly, if I shared your negitive point of view, I'd likely have such a poor self immage that I'd aim pot shots at folks from under the cover of a bag over my head. However, once you take the bag off your head and live up to the responsibility of joining this community, well, hell you wont be the annonimous guest any more, so you might not even recognise yourself. Do you keep a mirror in that bag? You might want to look into it for a while before you demean this brave woman who has more courage getting out on the street than you show getting out of bed in the morning. Cheers Lorcan |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: pdq Date: 22 Sep 05 - 06:16 PM ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Sheehan: Get troops out of 'occupied New Orleans' Mother of slain soldier decries 'military and governmental fascism' ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Posted: September 16, 2005 3:29 p.m. Eastern © 2005 WorldNetDaily.com Fresh from a visit to hurricane-ravaged Louisiana, anti-Bush activist Cindy Sheehan is demanding the U.S. military be removed from "occupied New Orleans." In a dispatch on leftist filmmaker Michael Moore's website, Sheehan said she was troubled by the "level of the military presence" in the Gulf Coast state. "George Bush needs to stop talking, admit the mistakes of his all around failed administration, pull our troops out of occupied New Orleans and Iraq, and excuse his self from power," she said. "The only way America will become more secure is if we have a new administration that cares about Americans even if they don't fall into the top two percent of the wealthiest. The Vacaville, Calif., woman, whose son was killed fighting insurgents in Iraq, launched an anti-war movement last month when she camped outside Bush's Crawford, Texas, ranch and demanded to meet with the president, drawing national media attention. In her Internet posting today, Sheehan said she had "imagined before that if the military had to be used in [continental U.S.] operations that they would be there to help the citizens: Clothe them, feed them, shelter them, and protect them. But what I saw was a city that is occupied." Describing the scene, she wrote, "I saw soldiers walking around in patrols of 7 with their weapons slung on their backs. I wanted to ask one of them what it would take for one of them to shoot me. Sand bags were removed from private property to make machine gun nests." The activist insisted there was no reason for the security presence, because "the vast majority of people who were looting in New Orleans were doing so to feed their families or to get resources to get their families out of there. If I had a store with an inventory of insured belongings, and a tragedy happened, I would fling my doors open and tell everyone to take what they need: it is only stuff." She commented: "When our fellow citizens are told to 'shoot to kill' other fellow citizens because they want to stay alive, that is military and governmental fascism gone out of control." Sheehan came under fire last month after WorldNetDaily broke the story that she had called enemy terrorists "freedom fighters." "But now that we have decimated the country," she said, "the borders are open, freedom fighters from other countries are going in, and they [American troops] have created more terrorism by going to an Islamic country, devastating the country and killing innocent people in that country." |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: Don Firth Date: 22 Sep 05 - 07:33 PM GUEST--22 Sep 05 - 05:48 PM, you are trying to put words in my mouth (or coming out of my keyboard) that I never said or implied. When I said that I agree with her, I was not agreeing that troops should be removed from New Orleans. I was saying that, from the news reports I have read and seen, I agree that some of the troops are not behaving in a manner that is either helpful or does them honor. It is said that there are those who, if you give them a gun and a badge (in this case, a uniform), they suddenly become drunk with power. I think that under the circumstances, they need to be there, but I think that their commanding officers, or someone, needs to give a few of them a good wedgie! Please pay attention, and stop trying to refute me by claiming that I'm saying something that I'm not. That's the "staw man" fallacy. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: GUEST Date: 22 Sep 05 - 07:45 PM Don, thanks for clearing that up - I read it as if you agreed with her. |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: Don Firth Date: 22 Sep 05 - 09:24 PM By the way, in many of these threads I have notice a very wide-spread use of the "Straw Man Fallacy" (not "staw man" as my banana-fingers produced above). So as a public service, I googled the fallacy and immediately came up with THIS explanation from Wikipedia. This explains it pretty much as it was explained to me in my youth when I was sitting at Aristotle's knee. (Well—actually in Prof. A. I. Melden's class in logic in the philosophy department at the U. of Washington). For your enlightenment and edification. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: pdq Date: 22 Sep 05 - 10:04 PM Don Firth, Masterful misdirection. Really. You are Mudcat's best propagandist. I may not agree with you on most issues, but I enjoy watching a master at work. |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: Don Firth Date: 22 Sep 05 - 10:25 PM No, pdq, it's a matter of trying to get people to clarify their arguments and cite their sources. I'll leave the misdirection to you. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: GUEST Date: 22 Sep 05 - 11:38 PM
AND THE LAW WON!!!! |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: GUEST Date: 22 Sep 05 - 11:49 PM Don Firth, your defense is a fallacy, strawman or otherwise,amd oh so arrogant. |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: John Hardly Date: 23 Sep 05 - 09:28 AM Don, This isn't a purely logical observation, but it is interesting nonetheless, that you are constantly having to criticize others for misinterpreting your posts -- often crying "straw man!" etc. Maybe, just maybe, when the world stinks everywhere you go... ...it's the cheese in your moustache. |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: Don Firth Date: 23 Sep 05 - 01:03 PM Well, John, I can see why you would center on that. But the fact of the matter is that this kind of deliberate misinterpretation is endemic here in these political discussions on Mudcat. This, and a couple of other logical fallacies seems to be a standard dodges practiced by several people. And not just on me! I've seen instances of people using the straw man fallacy on Amos and on CarolC in particular, but on just about everyone, liberal or conservative—and even on you. I'm getting the flak because I've been calling people on it. And GUEST, what, exactly, is arrogant about calling people on it when their trying to slip one over? Unless, of course, you are the one who's trying to do the slipping. But even though a victim from time to time, John, you have been one of the most chronic practitioners of this fallacy. Sorry, but there it is! Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: John Hardly Date: 23 Sep 05 - 01:09 PM Now I know you're just wingin' it, Don! BG |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: John Hardly Date: 23 Sep 05 - 01:12 PM (I know what a "straw man" arguement is, Don. Even knew before condescended upon us to instruct us. I'm confident that it is not my M.O. I have seen you employ it a time or two though! *BG*) |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: Don Firth Date: 23 Sep 05 - 01:24 PM I think not. There are a number of people here besides me who recognize these dodges, and were I to use them myself, they would spot it and I would lose credibility with them. That, I don't want to do. If you really think I've been using the "straw man" fallacy, kindly point the posts out to me. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: John Hardly Date: 23 Sep 05 - 01:32 PM Do you really want to start going back through each other's archives to prove what neither is likely to admit to? I mean, really. I even remember calling you on it as it was happening. You choose not to see it that way when you are doing it. I doubt that you think you are using a "straw man" to argue when you do. But you do. And, no, I doubt that you would lose credibility with anyone here. Credibility here is gained by being willing to fight tooth-and-nail for a point of view. In that, you are on the "A" team. Always will be. |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: Don Firth Date: 23 Sep 05 - 01:40 PM John, I remember you claiming that I was saying something I wasn't saying at all and taking me to task for it. That is the "straw man" fallacy. You've done that a number of times and I've called you on it. Remember the difference between SOME and ALL that we discussed awhile back? Once again, if you know of an instance where I used the straw man fallacy, point it out to me. Substantiate your accusation, otherwise, give it up. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: John Hardly Date: 23 Sep 05 - 02:19 PM "...that I was saying something I wasn't saying at all and taking me to task for it. That is the "straw man" fallacy." No, strictly speaking, what you are describing isn't a "straw man". A straw man isn't the same thing as responding to a person's comment in a way that suggests that you have missed their point. The latter can be, and is done all the time with no illogical or devious intent. Putting words in another's mouth is just a breakdown in communication and is usually just a "well, that's not what I meant" away from better communication. A straw man is a device, purposefully used, wherein an easily argued point can be brought up as though it represents the opposing side -- though it does NOT. Here you start into the thread with a post that pretends to describe what the religious right believes about the issue -- a straw man. Later in the thread, when I point out to you that it is not representative of what the religious right believes, you got slippery and claimed that it was not your intention be representing that as the religious right's POV. When I asked, "well, why, if not to represent their beliefs, did you bring it into the discussion then?" I believe that you decided not to answer. There is a HUGE amount of illogical arguementation that goes on here. A HUGE amount. But not everything that appears to be illogical arguementation is -- much of it is miscommunication. But it is also a VERY uphill climb for us all to not be misunderstood when typing in a medium that, though it appears conversational, lacks the body language that softens what appears in type to be vitreol. For instance, I'm sure that you are a charming guy. |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: Don Firth Date: 23 Sep 05 - 02:33 PM Okay, John, thanks for posting that. Now people can read it the discussion and judge for themselves as to who is doing what. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: John Hardly Date: 23 Sep 05 - 02:39 PM You're welcome, though forgive me if I assume that, if the mudcat is "jury", the fix is already in! *BG* |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: Don Firth Date: 23 Sep 05 - 03:04 PM Well, yeah, John, you've got a point. Show me a man with no fixed opinions and I'll show you someone lying under a sheet with a tag on his toe. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: pdq Date: 23 Sep 05 - 03:36 PM So that is why Al Gore walks so funny! |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: Don Firth Date: 23 Sep 05 - 03:47 PM Very funny, pdq, but have you ever read any of Al Gore's books? Say, like Earth in the Balance? I think he has an opinion or two. Of course, not very popular in certain circles. . . . Never let reality get in the way of a good chuckle. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: pdq Date: 23 Sep 05 - 04:11 PM Bad news for your side, Don. Your favorite dolt Algore has arisen from the slab, toe tag intact and smelling of embalming fluid, and has started his run for president in 2008. You already have John Kerry and Hillary running. When they start sniping at each other it will be better than The Bickersons. Can't wait. |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: Don Firth Date: 23 Sep 05 - 04:46 PM Not my favorite dolt, pdq. Where did you get that idea? And by the way, my "side" is the human race. If it's true that all these folks are running (or any Democrat, for that matter--why don't they just surrender and declare Bush "Absolute Monarch" and have done with it?), then this is going to be a lot of fun. I can see smoke billowing from the Mudcat servers right now. Poor Max! He'd better stock up on fuses. And as usual, more heat than light. . . . Ever read First Democracy : The Challenge of an Ancient Idea by Paul Woodruff? Non-partisan. Interesting book. Don Firth |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: dianavan Date: 23 Sep 05 - 09:11 PM I heard that Donald Trump is running for the Republicans and has chosen Martha Stewart as his running mate. |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: Ebbie Date: 23 Sep 05 - 09:31 PM That's a joke, right? (Don't mind me- I tend to be literal minded.) |
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Subject: RE: Cindy Sheehan arrested in NYC? From: John Hardly Date: 23 Sep 05 - 10:05 PM I'm pretty sure that both are contributors to the Democratic Party. I'm sure of it in Stewart's case, not as sure in Trump's. |
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