BS: My son is expelled from school forever

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: GUEST,Raggytash
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 10:47 AM

Don't know wether this may be of help to you but here in the UK a child is monitored all through their formative years and is called into their doctors to received whatever jabs they require. Mumps measles etc. This function is carried out by the local Primary Care Trust who utilise a computerised system called (in our area) Swift National Child Care. This is a system developed and supported by a company named McKesson. They keep a back up of all info put onto the system by the PCT, if you arae operates a similiar you may be able to retrieve your childs records this way

Good Luck

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 11:03 AM

Yep everyones suggestions thus far are fantastic. I couldn't agree more with the blessing in disguise point of view.

The fact that Dean has had every vaccine required, as well as a few that were not (pnumonia etc.), was a courageous decision on our part since our first child had a bad reaction to the MMR possibly due to the mercury content (Thimerisol) in the vaccine. Fortunetly Dean did not.

The SOLUTION of asking the insurence company for payment records for those fist 60 days was something we did not even think of and is much appreciated!

As for the contentious words of Guest, I am concerned about all the Tuberculosis that is coming into our area. I am not certain if there is a vaccine for that.???
We may in fact have had a copy of Deans inital 60 days medical records but they have not turned turned up since we moved so we could easily be at fault as well.




My wife says she is not comfortable with home schooling/private schools.

I think it would be great.

My public school experience had many hard knocks from bullies. In Jr. High I recieved a skull fracture while I was already unconcious. Over 100 people watched the whole incident. Many of the beatings were by the hands of teachers as well as instigated by them. Red baiting the anti war atheist Jew kid who wrote essays about evolution and defended the Russian and Chinese cultures, presented an irresistable target for more than a few teachers. I kid you not, one teacher would even bring a rifle to class and insisted that I call it a weapon and not a gun. Sometimes he would invite high school graduates that came back wounded from Viet Nam would give patriotic talks with mixed messages.

But I have digressed too much...

It seems that the violence bar has been raised since my days in school. Last week in our Montgomery county school system an 11 year old girl was murdered by another girl at the Friday night intermural ball game in retalliation over a spitting incident.




PS
aside:
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My comical side has had visions of having a talk with the Principal, swearing her to secrecy and telling her that the reason that there are no records for the 60 day period is the fact that Dean is one of the first human clones and was "concieved" in Corsica. Therefor records from overseas would only compromise our special situation.

Not much has changed since Jr. High as far as socializing goes.

I probably have the social grace of Larry David's character in "Curb your Enthusiasm. At a neighborhood get together last October the people had a framed picture of the Bush Christmas card in the front hallway and they were all talking about the glorius tax cuts and terrible oppression of doctors due to insurence rates.
So what did I do?

I told a Bill Mahre joke about stem cells and the religious right.

None of them have spoken to me or accepted any pool party or dinner invitations since. In fact they walk hurriedly to thier nearest door/gate if I am seen on the sidewalk. How far these people of faith (they call themselves the "Originals" having bought thier home new) will go to punish the infidel is anyones guess but I was warned of the neighborhood "Mayberry" gossip mill and that some of the stories about me are not believed. I suppose that is a good thing.

The day after the inauguration when protesters turned their back on Bush, two of the neigbor ladies came out in a snow storm and stood at the end of my driveway with their backs turned and prevented me from completing the snowblowing I was doing without blasting them with slush. Still I wonder how they feel about Bill Frist's support of stem cells and the comments by Bill Bennet.

Would I be surprised if my neighborly Repulican ire has reached the ears of sympathetic school administrators and as a result 5 year old Dean became the target of thier satisfaction?

No. But hopefully it is not the case.

As Tip O'Neal said "All politics are local".

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: jeffp
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 11:07 AM

The girl that was stabbed to death was 15, not 11. Try to get the basic facts right. It makes you more believable.

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: katlaughing
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 11:51 AM

I should think the first two months vaccinations are completely irrelevant, considering he has had all shots since then and is up to date with them.

I wouldn't want my son in such a school system.

Also, I believe it is Christian Scientists who are against vaccines, too, as well as blood tranfusions, etc.

You are your child's best advocate, don't ever forget that.:-)

Good luck,

kat

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: GUEST,G
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 12:03 PM

Donuel, I really think you are full of yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: katlaughing
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 12:18 PM

Guest, G, are you suggesting he should be full of someone else? Would one need an exorcist for that, or is there some kind of tranference you could recommend?

Ever heard of being quiet if you have nothing constructive to say?

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 12:33 PM

Oh, Donuel... your son's school will most certainly have heard the neighborhood gossip about you, and it will very probably effect the way your son is treated. With your track record, you ought to seriously consider sending him to one of your local Friends schools, or get him into one of the public schools in Takoma Park. Dean can get a very good education there, and you'll find the political attitudes and mindsets to be much more like your own.

Sandy Spring Friends School has a bus stop in your neighborhood, and Thornton Friends School, although small, is another option.

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: jeffp
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 12:51 PM

You say you have records of 14 immunizations. A quick look at the requirements (linked earlier) shows 15 immunizations required, with some exceptions, some of which I mentioned above. Your child, at 5 years of age, requires to have had 4 DTaP/DTP/DT/Td shots (Diphtheria, tetanus, pertussis), 3 polio vaccines (not shots generally), 2 measles vaccinations, 1 mumps vaccination, 1 rubella, 1 varicella (chickenpox--a documented case of chickenpox can substitute for vaccination), and 3 Hepatitis B vaccinations. DT may be substituted for DTP or DTaP with submission of a physician documented medical contraindication (i.e., allergy to the pertussis part of the vaccine). The measles, mumps, rubella and varicella vaccinations must be after the first birthday.

It would appear that only one vaccination is at issue. It could be that that one was missed or perhaps not documented properly. I am sure your son will be accepted back in school when this is cleared up. That may require an additional vaccination. I am sure that your son has not been "expelled from school forever." That is an exaggeration. I am sure that he is merely being withheld until this matter is cleared up to the school system's satisfaction.

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: jeffp
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 12:57 PM

Here is a link to the Maryland Health and Mental Hygiene Immunization Certificate. It provides a path to follow in case of lost or destroyed vaccination records. In some cases, revaccination is the best solution.

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 01:10 PM

I will not click on jeff's 'Mental Hygiene Certificate' link, and my computer security suggests no one else should either.

"forever" is indeed hypothetical yet conceivable.

Carol C the school suggestions are terrific.
Also my neighbor teaches at a small private school in which her marvelous and brilliant children also attend, except for one who is now at John Hopkins.

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 01:14 PM

There is NOTHING wrong with Jeffps link... So obviously your 'security settings' are the issue...   No surprise in this thread...

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: GUEST,G
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 01:22 PM

Katlaughing, you might be correct in not saying anything - me, that is. It just occurred to me that the majority of the threads here are started just for the sheer enjoyment of chitchat and perhaps for the improvement of typing prowess
.
Please tell me if that is true and I shall not interfere. I offer this as I know there is no requirement for immunizations that might occurr in the first 8 weeks of life that are required for entry into any type of public schooling. And if there were, a simple redo would make everyone content. I guess I was thinking sham while typing my previous post.

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: jeffp
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 01:32 PM

It's only forever if you refuse to do your part. Clinton is right, the link is to a pdf file of the certificate. Get over your paranoia and do the right thing for your children.

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: Donuel
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 02:34 PM

Voila:
The federal insurance company has the records of payment for Dean's 2 missing vaccination records and will mail them next week.
Now its up to the school nurse and principal to accept that as proof.

Dean will enjoy his "religious" holiday of the Wazoo witness' of latter day fundmentalist beaurocratic extremists, in the meantime.

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 02:41 PM

The increase in tuberculosis cases are, in the UK anyway, usually caused by people coming here from countries that do not have an immunization programme, or where it is so expensive that only the very rich can afford it. The diabolical habit of spitting or ejecting other nasal/chest fluids via the mouth to the floor by all ages and both sexes has done nothing to stem the flow of new infections that my local hospital sees weekly.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: GUEST,G
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 02:45 PM

Donuel, keep on 'keepin on'. No one here has yet to catch on that there is zip, notta, zero school requirements for Immunization records for the first 2 months of life.

This has been a great case study. What "Federal Insurance Company?"
should be another tip or...........I hark back to my post of 03 Sep 05 1:22 PM post.
I can't take it anymore!

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 02:51 PM

So, overall, nothing happend but a book-keeping error....

Big deal... It's an imperfect world... screws fall out....

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: katlaughing
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 02:56 PM

GUest, G, thanks for your response, which imo, would have been the better response in the first place. I also questioned the need for records from the first two months of life.

There can be a lot of chit-chat, but oftentimes we discuss issues which are very personal, important, and meaningful, to some of us.

Donuel, jeffp's link was fine, but this is a direct, non-pdf link to the actual info at that same site.

Glad to ehar you got it sorted,

kat

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: jeffp
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 03:07 PM

I posted the info about no immunizations required from the first 2 months of life at 10:40 this a.m. All it took was a trip to the MD Department of Health web site.

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: Melani
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 03:08 PM

Don Firth has very good advice--if they won't accept your proof of vaccination, just threaten to sue everyone involved--in a low-key way, of course. It's amazing how that gets results.

And for all you folks who suggested home-schooling, that's fine if it works for you. It will not work if both parents have jobs, or if the kid in question needs the benefit of socializing with a lot of different people, etc. My disabled son needs to be in a school setting where he can observe normal behavior. The only private schools around here for special kids are primarily for autistic kids who are too disruptive for public school, which would not be good for my kid at all. At one point, they tried to force us into home-schooling him because he was having seizures--a problem for a great many special kids.Most speical-ed teachers can deal with this issue, and I know many who have. His major need is for socialization, so being isolated at home would not have been good.

And private schools for regular kids are not free, but you must continue to pay taxes to support free public schools anyway. Your kid has a right to public education, without being messed over by incompetent idiots.

All this puts me in mind of a kid who was expelled from school because she picked up her mother's brown-bag lunch by mistake. The mom had included a knife for peeling fruit in her own lunch. When the kid found it, she went at once to the teacher to hand it in and explain. She was expelled for bringing a weapon to school. I am pretty sure lawsuits ensued--I certainly hope so.

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 03:10 PM

ALL kids need to socialize with lots of different people....

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: Metchosin
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 03:25 PM

Hell, that's not expulsion, just delayed registration until some paperwork gets clarified.

Now, I, was expelled from school when I was 14 for something really bad. I wasn't expelled forever, but certainlly long enough that, if I recall, to managed to finish some DH Lawrence, including more than just the naughty bits, some Tolstoy and a book by Isaac Asimov, if memory serves.

My crime was really dangerous and subversive, I wore mascara and refused to wash it off when ordered to do so by the PE teacher.

This was beyond the "school rules do not permit me........." usual line stuff, this was really heavy duty and was only rectified when my long suffering mother, sprung to have my blond eyelashes and eyebrows dyed brown at a beauty salon.

I went back to school with the receipt for the procedure in hand and was reinstated and after that, no one seemed to notice that the dye job didn't last very long and I contiued to apply the usual stuff.   It could be that they were distracted by my electic green and black snake skin or purple and red paisley leotards in lieu of nylon stockings, which were also banned along with makeup.

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 03:42 PM

A girl I knew in highschool was 'kicked out' for shaving her head... they said it was distracting.... so I and about 30-50 others all shaved our heads.... and showed up the next day wearing Cancer Society T-Shirts that we'd made....

The fact that she'd shaved her head in sympathy for a fellow student who was fighting cancer had never even been asked after...

She was back at school the next day, and cursing at US cause we'd cut into her time off!

LOL

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: Jeri
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 04:02 PM

The chart gives the shots required for pre-school and kindergarten. I don't think there are many pre-schools accepting kids under 2 months old.

Anyway, what the charts AREN'T is a list of what shots are required when. The kindergarten kids need, for example, the complete series of 3 hepatits B shots. If Dean received the first shot before he was 2 months old, the series will appear incomplete.

I hope the insurance company has records, although a blood test is acceptable for most of them. I don't think suing the school would work very well since the shots are deemed necessary for public health and it's a valid reason to require them and you clearly intended to get them.

I think it's quite likely you're going to need a record of those shots, Having Dean get the shots again, or proof of immunity, in that order of preference. Some of those series are one-time shots, and he's going to go through this every time he goes to a different school, including college. Possible for a passport as well, but I'm not sure of that.

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: Metchosin
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 04:26 PM

LOL. Clinton, I wish I could say my protest was to advance such a higher purpose, but alas, no.

I just had this problem with rules that I thought arbitrary. The same rules were not in effect the preceeding year and I didn't notice adopting a strict dress code caused any improvement in student deportment.

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 06:51 PM

... or probably even academic results, Metchosin...

That is part of the reason for not home schooling - you can't learn how (or why) to rebel against mindless stupid (and possibly dangerous) authority without experiencing it, no matter how painful it may seem at the time.

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: Dave'sWife
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 07:57 PM

Donuel - so glad your Insurance carrier had the needed records. All will be well. I know how rattling it can be to not be able to lay your hands on some much needed records.

My husband and I have mo children of our own, but we have recently made a habit of keeping a copy of ALL our important papers in a big red portfolio which we got for free from an online offer from State Farm insurance. I can PM the link to you. You fill out a little online form and a week or so later, they send you a big plastic red portfolio with a white handle, designed for grabbing in case of fire! It's such a smart idea. We now keep a copy of:

our marriage certificates (we were married to eachother 3 times - don't ask)
our birth certificates
Photocopies of all our financial account numbers & Customer service #s
Photocopies of all our other IDs
Life insurance & medical isnurance
Investment records & banking info
Car registration & insurance
and about 20 other things

Seeing as it's wildfire season here in los Angeles and we were nearly smoked out of our home last thursday, it was comforting to know I had all the papers in one place finally. You can't miss that Red portfolio with the white handle! State Farm is a great company - they'll send that to anybody for free whether you are a client or not.

BTW - I went to Public School in New York and I got a fabulous education. I entered University an instant sophmore as a result of having spent 2 years taking college courses for half days in a gifted program. I could have graduated at 15 but my folks were talked into letting me stay in Highschool and stay with my peers for part of the day for 2 more years. It was a very wise choice.

I'm not saying it was easy to be a gifted student in a public school but my parents and the adminstrators had my best interests in mind and did as much as they could to keep me challenged without making my life abnormal. I believe their efforts were well worth the time they put into it because when I hit the steps of my univeristy, I didn't spin out and hit the wall like so many others. I got into a combined Bachelors & Masters program right away and felt much more confident than most of the other gifted kids who were a year or two younger. They all got into drunking, drugs and other distractions, many of them washing out before they were 18.

Public School is not what it was when I was a child in the 70s but its still possible for a motivated parent to help their child get the best the system has to offer. I wish you every success.

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: GUEST,G
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 08:57 PM

State Farm is a great company with innovative ideas. However, if the fire starts and you are not home?

Did this for years and have the kids set up - a small fireproof (most important) waterproof file, think file folder size by 12 inches deep with all records involving health, finances, including credit card dupes and property info with IRAs and birth certificates. Kids thought this would be a bear to start up but found it wasn't.
Annual updating is all that is required unless some major change takes place and then you do that within a close time frame.

Insurance policies, deeds for all properties, etc. Most of these items only require the one copy which would be safe in the 'safe'.
A heavy bolt into the basement wall, if available, would secure the file. Banks are good but the necessity for prompt document retriveal
could negate that method.
This is not a major undertaking and nothing compared to the need of the info AFTER a disaster

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 08:59 PM

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: GUEST,G
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 09:00 PM

....and all this effort for a thread that was in jest to begin with. But, this is how we learn.

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: Dave'sWife
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 10:35 PM

If the fire starts when we are not home - there's the safety depost box! ;-)

I just like having that red portfolio nearby.

of course, if fire overtakes my home, it might get my bank too which is only a few blocks away. Darnit GuestG! now I'm gonna have to send copies of all these papers to my Mum in New York. and here I thought I had finally done something responsbile.

And then.. if her house burns.. oh....!

(State Farm is cool. They also send free books about Pregnancy and raising toddlers to parents whether you are a client or not. they really want our business! Fidelity investments is good with the helpful stuff too)

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 11:47 PM

You seem awfully concerned about how we spend our time and efforts, Guest,G. I can't see how that kind of busybody activity is any more constuctive than our simple willingness to come to Donuel's assistance if he asks for it. One big difference between you and Donuel, however. I know I can go and visit Donuel if I want to, and talk to him about these kinds of things in person. I can't say that about you, now, can I?

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: LadyJean
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 11:51 PM

I was expelled from a girls' prep school when I was 9, because I have a learning disability. No great loss, the place was an anachronism. We were graded on posture and voice placement. I finished third grade knowing half the mulitplication table, because our teacher was of the opinion that our delicate feminine brains couldn't handle the whole thing at once.
Instead, she had us memorize the names or paintings of children, along with the names of the artists who painted them, and where they were hanging.
As I said no great loss.
The school nurse sounds like the problem. You run into these people. If given a smidgen of authority they abuse it. I suspect if you talk to other parents you'll hear similar stories. If you collect enough of them and present them to the school board, she may become a former school nurse.

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 02:53 AM

Surely the land of the class action and the contingency suit can give the school what it deserves.

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 03:33 AM

"I know I can go and visit Donuel if I want to, and talk to him about these kinds of things in person."

Talk about a W.O.M.B.A.T.

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: GUEST,G
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 07:05 AM

CarolC, it must be a simple case of perception on your part. Kat and I got thru it okay.
Dave'sWife, your idea is the ultimate. It is the same as storing computer backups in a different location. We do that even where the one business has a large fireproof safe. Use a neighbor down the street rathter than next door except in the California dry highlands.

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: Strollin' Johnny
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 08:14 AM

Please tell me it's all a Strange-American-Humour joke. :-)

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: GUEST,G
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 08:56 AM

I also was 'expelled' from a girls school one night.
Strollin - Lets' just consider it one of those American made mysteries that will never be solve which will ultimately be to everyone's adavantage. Humor is to the beholder.

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 09:05 AM

I rather prefer the idea of a fire-resistant strong box, than the red file.

A file like that has rather a 'steal me' air about it, especially if lots of them are about. I don't know if that's just me being paranoid, but...

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: jeffp
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 09:24 AM

Another idea I saw was to scan all of your important papers, burn it onto a CD, and keep the CD in your "go bag" (the emergency kit you will definitely take with you in an emergency evacuation, fire, whatever). Easily portable and easy to stash multiple copies for backup.

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 09:43 AM

Like the UK, 3/4 of the new TB cases in CA are from immigrants.
..........

If schools are not required to have those first 2 vaccine records, then the unilateral action made by the nurse and backed by the principal is one of ignorance or possibly petty revenge for my challenge of the school policy of no classroom visits for parents.

...........

I remember being shocked that the hospital was anxious to give our infant vaccines for sexually transmitted diseases and Hep C.
I suspect that Pharmaceutical lobbies are making decisions for us that are not in our health's best interests but rather for thier profit.

Organizing records is indeed important and probably my Achilles heel.

ladyjean,
I have yet to organize:
our marriage certificates (our birth certificates
Photocopies of all our financial account numbers & Customer service #s
Photocopies of all our other IDs
Life insurance & medical insurance
Investment records & banking info
Car registration & insurance
and about 20 other things

I assume my wife does this and she probably keeps thinking we'll get around to it.

...........

Meeting me in person is no picnic: I interrupt nervously, get flustered and can't concentrate effectively to recall people's names.
Making pictures, sculpture, inventions and writing are the few times I can focus my attention with satisfaction.
Unless an interaction is scripted (such as work) I tend to be a silly flibertygibit. My attempts at live humor is a dead pan sarcasm which if gotten at all is usually taken as some kind wise ass comment. All in all Larry David's character has more social grace than me.

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: jaze
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 10:56 AM

Just to clarify, I'm in no way excusing what my son did. It was beyond stupid and could have been very dangerous. This he has been made to realize. However, I think expulsion for the remainder of that year -6 months would have sufficed. Keeping him out the first half of the 2nd year caused him to want to give up and not go back.

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: Donuel
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 11:08 AM

1 year is harsh.
We have heard about kids expelled for biting a graham craker in the shape of a hand gun or pointing a finger and saying bang.

zero tolerence is similar to mandatory sentencing. It removes any common sense and human judgement from society.

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: CarolC
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 11:42 AM

Not really, Guest,G. I've experienced much stranger things at the hands of my local school officials. You've already been proven wrong about at least one thing in this thread.

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: open mike
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 11:44 AM

i think there may be an exemption for religions reasons..
but if 99 kids have shots and one doesn't. the one may
catch someting, but then the 09ther 99 are protected....


find your cancelled cahck....check....if insurance did not
pay maybe you did.
the local health dept, may have records...
i think here they have to keep track of shots

and they usually give them in their cloinic.
and give you a card that tehy stamp at the time//
perhaps you had a card??/

good luck.

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: Janie
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 01:09 PM

Don--Glad your insurance co. had records.

However--it gave me the willies to hear that the school did not want you observing in the classroom. It is your kid, and your tax dollars, and it seems to me that any school should welcome as much parental involvement as they can get. The public elementary school attended by my son embraced parents--in fact, especially in K thru 2nd grade, there was nearly always at least one parent volunteer working in each classroom--tutoring, reading to kids, etc. My husband is a stay-at-home dad, and they were particularly delighted to have a male parent there. Through 4th grade, parents were truly viewed as partners. Then a new principal/beaurocrat came. Not interested in education, but in administration/control/turf. His last year of elementary school was pretty unjoyful.

Now, the middle schools in our area sound much more similar to what you have experienced with your son's elementary school. Thanks to the largesse of a family member, our son started middle school at Carolina Friends School this fall. So far, he and we are thrilled with it, in the FWIW department (I saw Carol's links to Friends schools in your area so thought I would mention it.)

Janie

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: CarolC
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 02:54 PM

Talk about a W.O.M.B.A.T.

I can see that's an acronym for "Clinton Hammond, Sword For Hire". What a T.I.T.

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: Sorcha
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 03:20 PM

And Don, yes there is a vaccine for TB.

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: GUEST,G
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 10:15 PM

CarolC, at 11:42 AM today - I have not a clue as to what you are speaking of nor do I think it is my fault that I do not.
And, pray tell what "you have already been proven wrong about at least one thing in this thread" means, both grammtically and factually.
I myself am not here for the purpose of proving anyone "wrong". If I should see an error in statement, I shall bring it to the attention of that person as I would expect anyone to do the same with me.

I am in need of an extended sabbtical due both to my strenous schedule of work as well as the effort required on the Mud Vein.

Again, please show me the error of my ways with regard to this thread as I would find it astonishing that any right/wrong differential could be established in this particular thread as it has been based on ambiguity.
I will leave in the wee hours of Wednesday CDST and will return around the 22nd of this month. I will, with great anticipation, look forward to your response. It is unfortunate (not really) that my destination has no provision for the world of the Internet.

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: CarolC
Date: 04 Oct 05 - 11:04 PM

Subject: RE: BS: My son is expelled from school forever
From: GUEST,G - PM
Date: 03 Oct 05 - 02:45 PM

...No one here has yet to catch on that there is zip, notta, zero school requirements for Immunization records for the first 2 months of life.

This is incorrect. Jeri did a good job of explaining how it works in her 03 Oct 05 - 04:02 PM post. Maybe you missed it. Maybe you didn't understand it. Or maybe you understood it, but you're still trying to make it look like Donuel was not sincere in his initial post for some other weird reasons of your own.

Here's part of Jeri's post...

The chart gives the shots required for pre-school and kindergarten. I don't think there are many pre-schools accepting kids under 2 months old.

Anyway, what the charts AREN'T is a list of what shots are required when. The kindergarten kids need, for example, the complete series of 3 hepatits B shots. If Dean received the first shot before he was 2 months old, the series will appear incomplete.

What this means is that if Donuel's son was under two months old right now, and Donuel wanted to put him in a day care facility, he would be able to do so without providing any proof of innoculations until his son is two months old.

But since Donuel's son is not under two months old right now, he is in fact five years old, he is required to have the full series of shots according to the innoculation schedule for a child his age. If some of those shots were administered to Donuel's son when he was younger than two months old, those shots still need to be documented and the documentation must still be shown to the school authorities in order for the son to be allowed to attend public school.

Donuel has stated that two of the scheduled innoculations were administered when the son was under two months old. Donuel must present proof of this in order for his son to attend public school.