Tech: Rustoleum Auto Primer

Subject: Tech: Rustoleum Auto Primer
From: ditvenet
Date: 04 Nov 05 - 02:20 PM

I am building a 1930 Ford Model A pickup street rod. I have used Rustoleum Automobile Primer on it and really like it.

I am now getting ready to paint the vehicle. When I tell paint stores that I used Rustoleum Automobile Primer they look at me cross-eyed. When I ask them if Acrylic Enamel or Urethane Enamel or Polyurethane Enamel is compatible with this primer they just shrug their shoulders. I have contacted Rustoleum twice and get no solid answers. All they tell me is it is compatible with Rustoleum oil based enamels.

What do you know about this primer? What kind of topcoat is it compatible with? Can I use auto acrylic enamels as a topcoat over the Rustoleum Auto Primer? Help?

Thanks.

Old Man in Texas

Subject: RE: Tech: Rustoleum Auto Primer
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 04 Nov 05 - 04:47 PM

The Rustoleum guys probably would like you to use their enamel, and don't want to suggest a competing product. Quite likely their marketing department censors their replies. More likely, their marketing guys are the only ones permitted to reply.

Rustoleum primer has been almost universally used by "rebuilders" that I've known in my area, although most of the ones I've known very recently have had all the finishes applied by custom shops, so I don't really know what's the latest practice.

Any finish paint, particularly an automotive one, should be labelled with surface preparation requirements. If the finish material doesn't specify a specific surface treatment then it's probably safe to assume that the Rustoleum primer is okay, as long as it's been aged long enough for all the volatiles to evaporate.

You may have to allow for the label on the finish paint coming from "advertising" too, so a brand name there means less than a generic statement about a specific kind of underlayer prep material.

About the only place you're likely to get a more specific answer is from someone who's in the business of painting lots of autos, and can (and will) tell you if they've had a problem. (You're probably more likely to get them to talk about something that didn't work than about how they do it when it does work.) The second fairly good alternative is to paint a couple of test panels and make your own judgement, but this takes time if you're going to see a "finished" test panel. Initial appearance doesn't really tell the whole story, although it may be reassuring enough.

John

Subject: RE: Tech: Rustoleum Auto Primer
From: Bill D
Date: 04 Nov 05 - 05:44 PM

this will no doubt be moved down below the line to non-music section. It's good idea to put it there yourself, using the BS designation and save Joe the trouble...

Subject: RE: Tech: Rustoleum Auto Primer
From: open mike
Date: 04 Nov 05 - 06:33 PM

UNLESS IT BEGETS A SONG...

If you're in the market for a fixer upper car
and you use rustoleum auto primer
on the body near and far
if you're a five and dimer,
you'll do it in the yard
just build your self an auto
it isn't very hard.

nuts and bolts and ratchets
lying all around
batteries and windshields
cluttering the ground
gaskets and exhaust pipes
on your favorite chair
with your chilton's on the table
there's no room for dinner there

etc..etc...

with pistons and solvents sitting in the sink
it tends to make the kitchen have a funny stink
when the filters and the mufflers
are all assembled right
the thing might just start up and go
if the torque is nice and tight...

Subject: RE: Tech: Rustoleum Auto Primer
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 04 Nov 05 - 07:44 PM

Not long ago, it was MANDATORY for any "builder" to drive around my town with at least three diferent colors of primer, and at least one salvaged fender or door in an unmatched finish, just so people would know he's "working on it." It didn't hurt to have at least a couple of visibly different kinds of body putty showing through.

The romance is gone, though; and such classic artwork is seldom seen anymore.

John

Subject: RE: Tech: Rustoleum Auto Primer
From: wysiwyg
Date: 04 Nov 05 - 07:55 PM

Uhhhmmmmm.... I see this is your first post as a member.... you do know this is primarily a music community, right?

Anyway, welcome to Mudcat.

~S~

Subject: RE: Tech: Rustoleum Auto Primer
From: Lady Hillary
Date: 04 Nov 05 - 10:22 PM

For what it's worth, no matter what oil paint you use, you should allow a while for the volatiles to outgas before applying any non-oil paint type coating to an oil coating. In other words, allow it to cure.

Subject: RE: Tech: Rustoleum Auto Primer
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 05 Nov 05 - 04:31 AM

What sort of musical instrument is that then ?

Model A sounds mandolin ish but I never new Ford made them.

eric

Subject: RE: Tech: Rustoleum Auto Primer
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 05 Nov 05 - 05:08 PM

If you contact any commercial paint supplier (at least here in the UK) they will tell you what will go over what - and for safety's sake you may want to use an isolator primer over the Rustoleum before applying the finish manufacturer's recommended primer and then going to subsequent layers.

In the UK the preferred rust killers are Bondaprimer, Galvafroid, and (my favourite) Finnegan's Number 1.

Subject: RE: Tech: Rustoleum Auto Primer
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Mar 11 - 09:27 AM

this question should be easy to ansewer.Will this primer accept top coat of urethane primer over the entire car after I have used R|A|P to cover the body work that has been completed?

Subject: RE: Tech: Rustoleum Auto Primer
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Mar 11 - 10:22 AM

I'd use acrylic lacquer as that is what is used on most modern instruments. (There now its a music thread) :)

Subject: RE: Tech: Rustoleum Auto Primer
From: GUEST,leeneia
Date: 28 Mar 11 - 11:41 AM

original thread was in 2005. the car's probably been painted by now.

thanks for the vers libre, open mike.

Subject: RE: Tech: Rustoleum Auto Primer
From: GUEST,John MacKenzie
Date: 28 Mar 11 - 12:44 PM

If rustoleum prevents rust, what does linoleum prevent?

Subject: RE: Tech: Rustoleum Auto Primer
From: Crowhugger
Date: 28 Mar 11 - 02:44 PM

Good question; and what does mausoleum prevent?

Subject: RE: Tech: Rustoleum Auto Primer
From: Mr Happy
Date: 29 Mar 11 - 11:26 AM

........ad nauseum??

Subject: RE: Tech: Rustoleum Auto Primer
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 29 Mar 11 - 07:32 PM

I believe it was Smithsonian Magazine that reported that the very-first-ever Hard Drive used "iron oxide bearing bridge primer" for the magnetic recording medium. That seems like a euphemism for Rustoleum that avoids using a © or ™ name.

That should certainly be sufficient historical significance to merit someone writing a nostalgic song.

A tag line might be "my bits keep fallin' off 'cause that paint don't dry." By the time the whole idea was poetically exploited (and explained) you'd probably have an easy 30 verses and it could be a filk classic in short order.

Or conspiracy theorists could decide that painted iron bridges are a recording medium for keeping track of peoples movements, and "the bridge remembers every time you cross" with all kinds of clever and fearsome esploitations of the concept.

One might also compose a lament (or maybe a dirge) to note the "passing of the old Rustoleum," as it's now extremely difficult to purchase the old oil-based stuff, at least in my area. Anything with an oil base is mostly missing from the store shelves, for "environmental and safety reasons." The result is that instead of the bit of oil that evaporated from the old primer one must spill a few gallons of TCP to clean any surface that needs to be primed with the latex/acrylic/polymer/water-based replacement Rustoleum, since the new stuff truly "won't stick to anything" unless all the grease/oil/wax/tar/salts/bug-juice is completely removed before priming.

John

Subject: RE: Tech: Rustoleum Auto Primer
From: GUEST,me in florida
Date: 11 Dec 13 - 11:17 PM

How about using rustoleum over acrylic lacquer primer (Hot Rod Black)

Subject: RE: Tech: Rustoleum Auto Primer
From: GUEST,Sell Cheap
Date: 12 Dec 13 - 09:28 PM

I suggest you sell the vehicle cheap.

Petroleum based paints have been outlawed in most of the western USA.

Water does not mix with oil.

www.thomasnet.com/articles/plastics-rubber/urethane-acrylic-automotive

You have created a major FUBAR that none other than an unemployed,
underage driver, would have the time and patience to deal with.

Sorry...if it was a rusty old classic you just lost 75% of the value before you "fixed" it.