BS: Nonexistent $$$ - Invented World Deity

Subject: BS: Nonexistent $$$ - Invented World Deity
From: GUEST,Accuser
Date: 22 Nov 05 - 06:01 PM

I THINK the most dangerous belief system prevalent today, as in millennia past, is a belief in a totally arbitrary and fictional invention of the mind called "money", and its related faith in money's ability to solve all problems and provide happiness. I am astounded that about 99.99% of the general public answering recent polls believe in money!!! Many believe in accrued interest! Fortunately, MOST animals do not. It is paradoxical how those animals who DO believe in money reconcile their Faith with their experience of living in Nature. There are, and have been a number of such, such renowned animals. I discussed this in the 'Can an Animal Sing Songs About Money?' thread. An explanation for a profit-seeking anima l could be that our human civilization has so impregnated the world with money-based belief systems and practices as to cause animals to deny their innate survival instincts in search of immediate gratification.

Some of my favorite animals have fallen prey to the lure of money madness...Scrooge McDuck, for instance.

I have written on this general subject elsewhere on the Net. As an non-believer in fictional money, I have mostly accepted that my beliefs will fall on deaf ears in a world where Joe Average can't wait to spend his paycheck at WalMart. However, after having voted for Mr. Bush and seeing the destruction his belief in money has caused, I am not willing to be as accepting of a belief in a fictional thing that people invented and which they now allow to dominate their lives, justify slaughter, and determine national policy.

With respect to all the fine wage earning people here (and including many of my relatives), I can not understand how a thinking, rational person can believe that a piece of colored paper or base metal printed or stamped out by a government has real value. That is counterintuitive to all commonsense, horse sense, knowledge, and scientific inquiry.

When peoples base their actions on mythology, fairytales, and nonsense, human suffering and environmental destructions occur, as exemplified in Iraq and other problem areas worldwide.

Imagine the form that this phony stuff has taken: An all pervasive symbol of prosperity, created by us out of thin air, controlling all exchanges of goods and services in all languages, in all areas;
One massive entity this "money" must be. Money was once nothing but a twinkle in the eye of some smart loan shark-to be among a bunch of camel herders. Hubble is looking back 14 billion years and where is any evidence of money out there in the Cosmos?

Where the Hell did Money come from? Did God create it? I don't think so. If Money was out there somewhere in the observable universe, wouldn't it be observable? How can an invented
thing that we created control everything w do and rule over our daily life struggles?

Women should understand and be especially appalled by the tyranny that has resulted from a belief in money. Why is Money made by men? I think it is because men were (are) the leaders in the world and perpetuated the "he" myth of Money so they could control everything. This gave men the power and license to oppress women and keep them subservient.

All humanity will continue to suffer as long as people perpetuate the irrational beliefs in the power of Money. Rational, logical, critical thinking is the only way to avoid and resolve worldwide problems resulting from being enslaved to the dollar, the yen, the yuan, or whatever you call this pernicious stuff. Seeking more of it in lotteries and casinos is further evidence of the slide into fiction-based insanity. The many good deeds that have been performed by fine, well-meaning capitalists and money makers worldwide have been far outshadowed by the atrocities perpetuated by the belief that ANY decision is a good decision as long as it MAKES MONEY!!!



Accuser (a former believer in money as being the main point of life)

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent $$$ - Invented World Deity
From: Ebbie
Date: 22 Nov 05 - 08:40 PM

If that is Cruiser himself, OK. The parody would be funnier.

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent $$$ - Invented World Deity
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 22 Nov 05 - 09:07 PM

My Govt doesn't give me a piece of colored paper or base metal printed or stamped out any more - I just get some electrons tickled these days...

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent $$$ - Invented World Deity
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 23 Nov 05 - 02:43 AM

Ho there Accuser---was your "Scrooge McDuck" a cartoon character, or do I have a c.d. with their name on it [a damn' good 'un, too---].
And if somebody convinced me that a barrow full of that despised printed paper had been left by our front door,in spite of having a fair degree of sympathy with your views, I'd probably break my legs in the frantic dash for gold!

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent $$$ - Invented World Deity
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Nov 05 - 01:38 PM

There ya go. Yup, people will do ANYTHING for a barrow full of that stuf, even though they know it's not real. Amazing, isn't it?

People are the only creatures in the World who will make up something totally fictional, all agree to pretend it's real, and then kill each other over it. They are victims of their own drama.

What would happen if we all woke up from the dream?

Anyone who thinks organized religion is as big a problem in today's World as money is, is labouring under the burden of an old grudge that has gotten way out of proportion.

Now take organized religion and COMBINE it with the worship of money...and then you've REALLY got a nasty situation. We see a lot of that happening out there.

Offer to give people enlightenment. A few will come. Offer to give them a million $ and the whole world will be at your door.

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent $$$ - Invented World Deity
From: GUEST,rarelamb
Date: 23 Nov 05 - 01:57 PM

I think your problems lay with a lack of understanding of what money is and what it is not.

There was a time when currency was exchangeable for gold and or silver. Some tribes use specific stones. Regardless, you are correct in pointing out that we live in a world where 'fiat monetary' systems rule the roost. Fiat systems are not exchangeable.

The brings up your question of why therefore should I place any value on these slips of paper and cotton? Money is a unit and symbol of exchange. It has no intrinsic value. It derives its value from the productive efforts of individuals. It is a facilitator.

To give you a stark example, what if you had 1,132,123,123,231,123 dollars but there were no workers? In this world you would have a ton of money but there would be no products or services to purchase. The money is useless.

Which brings us to the morality of money. If our actions define our values then what we spend our money on defines our morality. It is the act of giving up your efforts in time and effort for the time and effort of another.

Why do we desire money? Because we desire others values.

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent $$$ - Invented World Deity
From: robomatic
Date: 23 Nov 05 - 02:08 PM

If you want it, HERE IT IS, come and get it,
But you better hurry 'cause it's goin' fast.

"The Magic Christian"

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent $$$ - Invented World Deity
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Nov 05 - 04:09 PM

Well, yes...money, in our system, is future work and/or future goods that you can hold in your hand. Very convenient, if you have it. It's the compulsive seeking of far more of it than one could ever possibly need that is causing problems in the World. That seeking is mostly being done lately on a really big scale by some very large fictional entities called "corporations". A corporation exists for no other reason than to enlarge its financial returns and perpetuate itself. It's a giant, artificially created mouth that devours.

Subject: RE: BS: Nonexistent $$$ - Invented World Deity
From: Little Hawk
Date: 23 Nov 05 - 06:06 PM

Here's a shocking story! Wotan, a dachshund, falls prey to the greed for money, and is caught with the stolen cash!!!

Dachshund Thievery!