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Tech: Cntl-Alt-Delete works for everything!
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Subject: Tech: Cntl-Alt-Delete works for everything! From: Dave the Gnome Date: 30 Dec 05 - 03:07 PM Not just PC's! I couldn't believe it but here is the proof. My Magellan GPS 310 threw a wobbler yesterday - Not on a serious walk fortunately and I also had compass with me but as it turned out I needed neither. Anyhow. For some reason I could not track any satelites. When I got home I also discovered the date was about a year in the future. Aha! Thinks I. That's it - I need to have the right date to talk to the sats? So I reset the date/time and it worked! Yahoo. Until half an hour later when I was 3 days in advance again. The clock function was totaly screwed. And indeed I could not talk to the sats:-( I have had this for around 4 years and did not hold out much hope but I rang the support desk and a very pleasant French lady suggested I reset it by holding the left arrow while I powered on the GPS. It asked if I wanted to clear the memory. I said yes. Left the box outside for an hour or so to catch up on the news from all it's mates in the sky and voila! (or Viola if you want to make it a music thread) It is back to normal:-) So, the buttons may not actualy be control-alt-delete but volatile memory is erased, the principle is the same and it works! We live and learn... Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Cntl-Alt-Delete works for everything! From: Dave the Gnome Date: 30 Dec 05 - 03:09 PM Oh sorry - right arrow (Just in case anyone else wants to try it!) Never knew my arse from my elbow either... |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Cntl-Alt-Delete works for everything! From: GUEST,clogger Date: 30 Dec 05 - 04:47 PM I knew it! There is a temporal anomaly probably centerd around Swinton, possibly at the White Lion on a Monday night! On the other hand there is a thread about satalites being hacked here somewhere.... or is that somewhen. Seriouisly Dave, if you are going to distort time you should be trying to do it the other way round. Next week's lottrry numbers are:- 10....23....32....48....49....-20 Mine's a Hatters next time |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Cntl-Alt-Delete works for everything! From: JohnInKansas Date: 30 Dec 05 - 05:04 PM clogger - You are obviously observing a delayed effect of the "Year 2000" calendar problem. Are you absolutely sure your GPS clock was 3 hours ahead? Or was it really 43,835 hours behind back in year 2000? John |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Cntl-Alt-Delete works for everything! From: JohnInKansas Date: 30 Dec 05 - 05:08 PM Sorry clogger, I meant to say "the GPS," not "your GPS." Or maybe it's a real anomaly and you and Dtg are really both someone else. Someone start the background Moog soundtrack. John |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Cntl-Alt-Delete works for everything! From: Dave the Gnome Date: 30 Dec 05 - 06:04 PM Funnily enough clogger and I do share a name, John, but I'm not telling which one:-) I just found out that my GPS time anomoly may have been because of leap seconds! Satelites do it all the time according to son No.2 who is of a scientific bent. Bent what I am not sure... He also informs me that to reset an SGI Xstation you need to apply the Vulcan death grip to the keyboard. Perhaps he is having me on? Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Cntl-Alt-Delete works for everything! From: GUEST,clogger Date: 30 Dec 05 - 06:11 PM According to folks who know a lot more than me, Time and Space are interlinked! This means that if I alter my time I may alter my place in space as well! If I don't look at the GPS does this mean that the waveform may not have colapsed and I may in fact be a Cat in a Box (Shroedinger)? Or am I just confused? Can you have "De ja vue" for the first time? |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Cntl-Alt-Delete works for everything! From: GUEST,Clogger Date: 30 Dec 05 - 06:15 PM I just heared that we have sent up a nwe satalite (Gallileo) which will be more accurate than the Yankie GPS! Cost next to nothing as well....... Way to go ESA! |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Cntl-Alt-Delete works for everything! From: Bill D Date: 30 Dec 05 - 06:32 PM "more accurate" yes, indeed! It will get within a foot of the location instead of the couple yards WE had....pretty serious detail there! "The dead cow is located at 68º113min and 23.999227774 sec.N...that's so you wont confuse it with the tree at 23.999265991!" |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Cntl-Alt-Delete works for everything! From: GUEST,clogger Date: 30 Dec 05 - 06:49 PM at least "our satalite" won't switch off when "you" want it to. Oh yes lets not forget all the "GPS" gadgets can now be used more freely 8¬) |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Cntl-Alt-Delete works for everything! From: JohnInKansas Date: 30 Dec 05 - 11:36 PM It was noted in one of my tech magazines a couple of months ago (that I finally got around to reading) that a "leap second" will be inserted at the end of this year. I don't recall the exact date. It does need to be done about once every 5 to 7 years, because the earth's rotation and orbit both "wobble" a bit. This is due, one might suppose, either to the motions of other astro objects moving about - or maybe due to the fact that Aunt Emma moved the TV to the other room so Uncle Irv spends all his time on the new couch in the other room and the rotational moment of inertia and gravitational center of the earth are changed (by the movement of large masses on it's surface). John |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Cntl-Alt-Delete works for everything! From: Amos Date: 31 Dec 05 - 01:44 AM I think they meant larger masses than Aunt Emma, John... A |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Cntl-Alt-Delete works for everything! From: Stilly River Sage Date: 31 Dec 05 - 02:08 AM I was listening to (I think) NOVA on PBS this week and it said the earthquake last year on Dec. 26 (Banda Aceh) slightly changed the shape of the Earth. It's a bit more lopsided and this is why the second added on at 11:59:59 (11:59:60) is necessary. SRS |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Cntl-Alt-Delete works for everything! From: GUEST,clogger Date: 31 Dec 05 - 01:00 PM The leap second is required to allow for the slowing rotation of the earth. It was decided that this was easier than moving Greenwich several yards to the left! It should also sincronise normal time (whatever that is) with sidreal time, thus keeping the Astronomers and Phsyicists happy(ier) Oh yes ....... it is happening tonight ....in severn hours,two minuits,.....mark! |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Cntl-Alt-Delete works for everything! From: gnomad Date: 31 Dec 05 - 01:15 PM Can't fool me, JiK gets my vote, at last an explanation I understand. I don't care whether it is correct or not, doesn't matter, now I can devote my concentration to making something good for supper. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Cntl-Alt-Delete works for everything! From: JohnInKansas Date: 31 Dec 05 - 01:20 PM Amos - Uncle Irv is a larger mass than Aunt Emma. Clogger - The usual terminology is diurnal time for the "daily clock" and - as you got it - siderial time for the "rotation relative to inertial space." ~365.24 diurnal days = ~366.24 sidereal rotations (roughly speaking). John |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Cntl-Alt-Delete works for everything! From: GUEST,clogger Date: 31 Dec 05 - 01:22 PM |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Cntl-Alt-Delete works for everything! From: GUEST,clogger Date: 31 Dec 05 - 01:30 PM Whoops pressed the wrong key there! As I understood it the rotation of the Earth has alterd (by one second) and to bring the time (based on noon at Greenwhich) back into alignment with our souper accurate clocks we get a free second ... gratis ... fer nowt! Cant be bad or am I just a bit confuddled? Nah can't be I havent had me Beer ... yet 8¬D |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Cntl-Alt-Delete works for everything! From: JohnInKansas Date: 31 Dec 05 - 01:51 PM "Really accurate time" probably matters only to astronomers. For the really interested, here's a Final Exam (.pdf) in the field where really accurate time matters. This is a "simplified" non-credit survey course for people studying Physics. There's a "real" course in another department, and of course one must enroll to get credit. John |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Cntl-Alt-Delete works for everything! From: Rapparee Date: 31 Dec 05 - 11:30 PM If the earth is slowing down in its orbit, are we all getting younger? If you want to go afield and not get lost, have you considered using a...GASP!!...map and compass???? No batteries needed, no satellites, and accuracy to withing a meter or two if you're good enough. Yeah, yeah, I know...close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades. Sigh.... |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Cntl-Alt-Delete works for everything! From: GUEST,DB Date: 01 Jan 06 - 07:12 AM Going back to the subject of 'Cntl-Alt-Delete', I find that it's usually worth running the 'check disk' thingy afterwards - you never know what you might have screwed up (at least I don't!). |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Cntl-Alt-Delete works for everything! From: GUEST,DB Date: 01 Jan 06 - 07:15 AM Sorry, I think that should have been 'scan disk' in XP. |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Cntl-Alt-Delete works for everything! From: Dave the Gnome Date: 01 Jan 06 - 08:27 AM If you want to go afield and not get lost, have you considered using a...GASP!!...map and compass Tsk tsk, Rap. I thought you read the earlier posts before replying;-) I did say "Not on a serious walk fortunately and I also had compass with me but as it turned out I needed neither." I always carry a map, compass, whistle, spare warm clothes, waterproofs, survival sack and extra rations. And that is just for going to the shop! GPS and mobile phone are like belt and braces - You don't need them but they make it that bit safer and, in my estimation, more fun! It's nice to know the EXACT location of where you ae lost:-) Cheers and keep safe. DtG |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Cntl-Alt-Delete works for everything! From: JohnInKansas Date: 01 Jan 06 - 01:59 PM Until quite recently, all the geosatillites used by GPS were put up by the military, and the returns from the satellites were time-shifted by varying amounts to prevent "everybody" from being able to determine exact geographical coordinates using GPS. "Correction Codes" were transmitted via separate encrypted channels to "authorized users" so that they could achieve real geographical accuracy. There has been much debate about whether printed maps were subject to "government influence" and contain mandated "errors" in true geographic centering. Those involved deny any deliberate shifting of things; but of course if they were forced to do it they would also have been sworn to secrecy... As long as reference points essential to finding yourself, and your way out of the woods, are all on the same map, you may assume that "you know where your are;" but in real geographical terms, you probably don't really know where the map is relative to some other map describing a place more than some few hundred miles away. I KNOW that maps are inaccurate, since every company I've worked for always paid travel mileage based on the "official" Rand McNally maps, and what they paid was never more than 82.347 percent of the actual miles travelled (according to my carefully and accurately calibrated odometer). "They" say that the fuzz factors on GPS signals have been removed, which is why all the GPS device makers have added a few digits to the displays. But do you really believe "Them?" John |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Cntl-Alt-Delete works for everything! From: Mark Cohen Date: 01 Jan 06 - 02:11 PM Always. Aloha, Mark |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Cntl-Alt-Delete works for everything! From: GUEST,clogger Date: 01 Jan 06 - 02:22 PM Didd'nt they have some problems with the supply of GPS units in the Gulf war, forcing "them" to alter the signals? The result was that EVERYBODY WORLDWIDE got better reception! Who says war has no useful purpose? |
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Subject: Control/Alt/Delete From: Ironmule Date: 02 Jan 06 - 03:21 PM Obviously a case of reversed polarity in your gronicles. The Woodenboat Gronicle thread Jeff Smith |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Cntl-Alt-Delete works for everything! From: GUEST,clogger Date: 03 Jan 06 - 09:20 PM CNTL-alt-del? Did any one else spot this spoonerism? However knowing DtG he meant every word of it! |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Cntl-Alt-Delete works for everything! From: JohnInKansas Date: 03 Jan 06 - 10:46 PM For "Newby's" who may not appreciate the significance of DtG's original post: The New Hacker's Dictionary, 2d ed, ©1993 Eric S. Raymond, MIT Press, ISBN 0-262-68079-3 or 3d ed, ©1996 Eric Raymond, MIT Press ISBN 0-262-68092-0 [quote] three-finger salute n. Syn. Vulcan nerve pinch. Vulcan nerve pinch n. [from the old "Star Trek" TV series via Commodore Amiga hackers] The keyboard combination that forces a soft-boot or jump to ROM monitor (on machines that support such a feature). On many micros this is Ctrl-Alt-Del; on Suns, L1-A; on some Macintoshes, it is <Cmd:>-<Power switch>! Also called three-finger salute. ... [endquote] "Ctrl" or "CTRL" is the usual notation on the "Control" key, however some keyboards have used "Cntl" or "CNTL." Often shortened to "CTL" in text. The "Alternate Bucky Bit" key is seldom labelled or described as anything other than "Alt" or "ALT." "Del," "DEL," or "Delete" may be shown on "Delete" keys ("DELETE" as a label on the actual keys probably is archaic, since the keys aren't big enough to write it out in all-caps.) Rarely - the CTL-ALT-DEL combination has been referred to as the "three-fingered-benediction" and/or the "fork-ed fingered blessing." (The syllables of fork-ed must be pronounced separately with equal emphasis for proper effect.) The "three fingered salute" was the next-to-last-resort method of solving a malfunction condition on early machines. If it failed to work, the last and final resort was a complex procedure referred to as "The BRS!" (so seldom required with modern computers that it's discussion will be left for another lesson). On DOS and early Windows machines the Ctrl-Alt-Del combination produced an immediate soft re-boot. Later Win versions supposedly "stopped the processor" the first time you did it, and when/if the combination was repeated, did a soft boot. Current Win versions use Ctl-Alt-Del to open the Logon screen, from which one can get to Task Manager, Reboot, Shut Down, or Log on a different user; or for machines without multiple users the combination may just open Task Manager. Devices that load a program and/or data that is retained for long periods or that is kept in RAM while the device is dormant require a way of dumping the RAM and reloading everything, in case of data corruption in the RAM. In simple devices this is most often done - as DtG found - by holding down some key while turning on the power switch. The "other key" required varies a lot from one device to another, but even your wireless telephone probably has one - although your user booklet may tell you to use some other method for wiping its brain. John |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Cntl-Alt-Delete works for everything! From: Dave the Gnome Date: 04 Jan 06 - 06:56 PM No spoonerism at all clogger! Is a |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Cntl-Alt-Delete works for everything! From: Amos Date: 04 Jan 06 - 08:40 PM Would that it worked on misguided Administrations! A |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Cntl-Alt-Delete works for everything! From: GUEST,Paranoid Android Date: 04 Jan 06 - 09:10 PM WOW. My son gave me "A Brief History of Time" at Christmas. Being the lazy bastard that I am I find I have reached page 6 of the book at this stage. Any chance of a shuttle joyride so I can read the book before I get it? |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Cntl-Alt-Delete works for everything! From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 05 Jan 06 - 12:30 AM Ctl-Alt-Meta-Cokebottle? ;-) |
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Subject: RE: Tech: Cntl-Alt-Delete works for everything! From: JohnInKansas Date: 05 Jan 06 - 02:21 AM Robin - That's called an "All-Bucky" combination isn't it. The interesting one was when you had to use all both left and right bucky keys plus some character. What do you hit the last character with. (Nose often suggested, but...) It only really worked on the "space cadet" keyboard. John |
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