BS: Bush 34% Nixon 27.5%

Subject: BS: Bush 34% Nixon 27.5%
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Mar 06 - 10:18 PM

How low can he go???

From Knight Ridder:

"Bush's approval rating is far below those registered by three of the past four two-term presidents in February of their sixth year: Dwight Eisenhower (64 percent), Ronald Reagan (63.5 percent) and Bill Clinton (57 percent). Only Nixon, at 27.5 percent in February 1974 -- six months before he resigned -- was less popular than Bush is now."

Bring on the calls for impeachment!

Subject: RE: BS: Bush 34% Nixon 27.5%
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Mar 06 - 10:20 PM

Oh yeah--and since nobody is buying the bullshit "al Qaeda is behind the Iraqi insurgency" Bush lie, today he started trotting out "Iran is behind the Iraqi insurgency".

Anyone buying that one, considering the current anti-Iranian saber-rattling going on at Dubya's WH?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush 34% Nixon 27.5%
From: GUEST,AR282
Date: 13 Mar 06 - 10:47 PM

Now Dubby's saying the IEDs killing American troops in Iraq are largely made in Iran. I mean, who in their right mind would believe a damned thing he says now?? Is that true, Dubby, or are you sure that it wasn't more bad intelligence?

And if Iran is building the IEDs, what are we going to do about it? Attack them?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush 34% Nixon 27.5%
From: Ron Davies
Date: 13 Mar 06 - 11:05 PM

Washington Post had a column recently where the columnist said his mother's list was a 1) a few groceries, 2) a few cases of Coke 3) IMPEACH BUSH (underlined in red). He agreed that Bush is probably the worst president since Buchanan but pointed out that we need him impeached, convicted, and removed. (And Cheney too, of course). To get impeachment, Congress has to change--so effort now should be geared toward making that happen this fall.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush 34% Nixon 27.5%
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Mar 06 - 11:16 PM

I don't see how that's going to change anything. Most of the Democrats in Congress are just as bad as most of the Republicans.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush 34% Nixon 27.5%
From: Ron Davies
Date: 13 Mar 06 - 11:20 PM

You have no chance at all at impeachment as it stands now. You need a much more favorable balance.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush 34% Nixon 27.5%
From: Little Hawk
Date: 13 Mar 06 - 11:52 PM

The classic solution of a despot to desperately low levels of popularity and an intractable and insoluble foreign war is: to launch another foreign war! Yippee! It feels so good to have brand new foreign enemies who can clearly be seen on a map, and brand new things to blow up real good. It feels almost like....victory.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush 34% Nixon 27.5%
From: Alba
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 12:02 AM

Or Missiom Accomplished even, boy was that ever a classic example of speak in haste repent at leisure,

Eerily similar wording to the propaganda just prior to the pre-Iraq Attack imo.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush 34% Nixon 27.5%
From: Peace
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 12:14 AM

". . . for the times they are a'changin'."

Subject: RE: BS: Bush 34% Nixon 27.5%
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 12:40 AM

I came across an interesting statement the other day.

The man said that 52% is about as high as Bush can go because of the sharp division between those who love him and voted for him and those others who can't abide the man. As he said, he can't imagine anyone who didn't vote for Bush liking his policies.

So here's what I'm thinkin': If 52% equals 100% to Bush, then an approval rating in the mid30s is still over 70%. Know what I'm sayin'?

At that rate, he ain't worried. Not to mention that he appears to have no concept of being wrong and therefore has no idea of having to pay a penalty.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush 34% Nixon 27.5%
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 02:14 AM

I don't see how impeachment will change anyting. The string pullers will still be there behind the scenes directing the behavior of most of the members of Congress (as well as whoever takes the place of Bush and Cheney, if they are removed from office), both Democrat as well as Republican. As long as that is the case, in my opinion, impeachment is nothing but bread and circuses.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush 34% Nixon 27.5%
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 02:16 AM

...and if you don't believe me, just listen to the rhetoric coming from both sides of the isle beating the war drums for military action against Iran.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush 34% Nixon 27.5%
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 02:38 AM

It is quite interesting that probably the two most mature and imitated "democracies" in the world, GB and USA, are widely being stated to be dysfunctional as democracies.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush 34% Nixon 27.5%
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 07:30 AM

Most imitated--sure. Our models are the only ones that have been up for sale through our corporate global reach.

But most mature democracies????

I don't think so.

Most dysfunctional, well...that could be endlessly debated, couldn't it.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush 34% Nixon 27.5%
From: Bobert
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 08:08 AM

Well, I have ofter voiced an opinion that impeachmnet of Bush would be good but I have now come to think that ever the Democratic Party a boogieman, Bush sho nuff is doing a fine job...

Problem is that the Dems, for the most part, are not up to the task of shaping pro-human policies because of the money grab involved in getting elected... Pro-human policies just don't turn much of a profit these days and that's what the US is all about... Or that's the story...

Problem with that story, while corporations are so interested in showing a profit for their investors those who run these corporation couldn't care less about the US governemnt getting buried in red ink???

Maybe someone can explain this to me???

Nevermind, this is about Bush's disapproval rate... BTW, anyone up for buying a used war??? Yep, the boy is hitting the road yet again trying to peddle that junker of a war... He tried to put some paint on it to give a shine but the paint wouldn't stick to the rust...

Bobert

Subject: RE: BS: Bush 34% Nixon 27.5%
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 08:48 AM

Two US Presidents have been impeached, none have been convicted.

Sadly, I must agree with Bobert: the Democratic Party, as it now stands, is toothless. The traditional Republicans are also toothless. Heck, my wife said the other day, "You know, the Libertarians are looking pretty good these days."

Subject: RE: BS: Bush 34% Nixon 27.5%
From: leftydee
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 10:28 AM

Trying to separate Republicans from Democrats is, mostly, a waste of energy. This is one political party with a left and right wing. The right wing shoveling the cash upstairs as quickly as possible and the left wing wondering how they can get some of it. The right wing bully-boys have intimidated the left wing wussy-boys by questioning their patriotism at every turn when , in fact, the right wingers have loyalty to nothing but others of their class.( e.g. US energy policy, no bid contracts in Iraq, the drug fiasco,soaring energy costs and profits, tax cuts for the wealthiest, DP World deal and, my favorite, nuclear proliferation for mangos). The Democrats stand by and wring their hands. At the minimum, I wish we had someone to say things smell like shit when they do. The democrats are more guilty because they've become collaberators. Instaed of taking this opportunity to really insure some changes while America is waking up to the fact that they're being sold a bill of goods, they are content to hide in the wings and hope the the Bushies self destruct. They are gutless.

One more thing..... who in the hell are these 34% ???

Subject: RE: BS: Bush 34% Nixon 27.5%
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 01:44 PM

There are Democrats who ARE standing up and speaking out. If it weren't for Democrats roe v wade, civil rights and a bunch of other things would be gone. IF they do not get our support, both monetarily and physically, they cannot succeed.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush 34% Nixon 27.5%
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 02:07 PM

Not sure about "most imitated" - not when it comes to the singularly bizarre constitutional arrangements both in the USA or in the UK.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush 34% Nixon 27.5%
From: Ebbie
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 02:18 PM

They are around, leftydee. I know some of their number personally.

And there are communities,I'm told, where the dissenters perceive themselves to be very much in the minority, enough so that they're cautious about putting out signs or affixing bumper stickers.

Juneau, Alaska is considered a leftist town- but the greater part of the state talks a conservative game. On the other hand, I know self-identified conservatives who hold no truck with Bush and his cronies and his policies; they don't feel he is conservative at all.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush 34% Nixon 27.5%
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 02:26 PM

Here's one of the Dems who agrees with Feingold's call for censure - sticking their necks out:

In Iowa, Democratic congressional candidate David Loebsack said he supported Feingold's resolution.

"In my district, there is considerable discontent with the Bush administration on almost all fronts, including the Iraq war, the NSA surveillance, and many other issues," Loebsack. "When the NSA story broke, many were appalled that Bush would do what he did. There is a clear consensus here that he broke the law and that there has to be an accounting for what he did."

Everyone of them who speaks out and/or takes action needs our support!

Subject: RE: BS: Bush 34% Nixon 27.5%
From: leftydee
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 02:30 PM

I don't want to be disagreeable Kat, but who are you talking about? I live in Carl Levin's state and I think he's amongst the best of them. And still, I don't hear hear much more from him than mild objections to the total failure of Republican "leadership".. The proof of the pudding will be over Roe v Wade in SD and it will be soon. If there are not Dems out there howling their outrage, the rights of women will be compromised. I expect Ted Kennedy will stand up as he has little to lose. Do you see what's happening with the call for centure? Anyone can see that it is the bare minimum that should happen, yet no one has the cajones to stand up and face the nation for fear of appearing radical. It's very obvious that whenever the administration is called on something , they go into attack mode and question your patriotism. Someone needs to face that and call them on that tactic as well.... possibly question their patriotism. Until that time the Dems will continue to hide and hope.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush 34% Nixon 27.5%
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 02:39 PM

Feingold is just grandstanding and playing politics with this censure thing. If Feingold gets elected president, expect him to do to Iran what Bush did to Iraq.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush 34% Nixon 27.5%
From: Peace
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 02:43 PM

The only way to get Bush tossed out on his arse is to elect a Congress that want's to follow the law, not just make it.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush 34% Nixon 27.5%
From: leftydee
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 02:45 PM

Ebbie,
The Bushies are definitly NOT conservative. What do they conserve? Old time conservative views called for fiscal responsibility and staying out of folks personal lives. I kinda liked that.

The new conservatives yammer on about "tax and spend Democrats" while they are borrow and spend spendthrifts. I do not appreciate the fact that they are running up bills for my grandchildren to pay. Damn their eyes! And staying out of folks personal lives?!? they are much too glib about people's privacy, be it in their bedrooms or on their phones. I have NO problem with wiretaps to keep Americans safe but, dammit, do it with some oversight to protct the freedoms that you're defending.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush 34% Nixon 27.5%
From: kendall
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 05:49 PM

TERM LIMITS

Subject: RE: BS: Bush 34% Nixon 27.5%
From: katlaughing
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 06:29 PM

That'd level the playing field, Kendall, but would they get anything done?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush 34% Nixon 27.5%
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 09:37 PM

CarolC, I'm seriously surprised to hear you say that about Feingold. He is further left than Wellstone was, so I guess I'm wondering what you are basing your opinion on?

Subject: RE: BS: Bush 34% Nixon 27.5%
From: GUEST
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 09:51 PM

And here is what Feingold had to say today about his Democratic colleagues' response to his introducing the censure resolution (hiding under their desks):

``Democrats run and hide'' when the administration invokes the war on terrorism, Feingold told reporters.

``I'm amazed at Democrats ... cowering with this president's numbers so low,'' Feingold said.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush 34% Nixon 27.5%
From: CarolC
Date: 14 Mar 06 - 10:12 PM

I'm going by stuff I read on his website, Guest, 14 Mar 06 - 09:37 PM.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush 34% Nixon 27.5%
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 09:46 AM

Fiengold is a phoney! After he gave his censure thing, Bill Frist said "Okay, lets' just vote on this right now" and Feingold ran off the floor.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush 34% Nixon 27.5%
From: katlaughing
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 10:13 AM

IMO, the followiing, written by Stephen Elliot, makes some good points:

Democratic Senator Russ Feingold has called on the Senate to censure President Bush for illegally spying on American citizens. Even John McCain agrees that the NSA surveillance program was not legal. But as usual the Republicans are attacking us, pushing us to abandon our own when we're right.

But why would we listen to the Republican Party on anything? Why would we follow the party of have a beer and shoot a man in the face and don't tell anybody about it? The party of Pat Robertson? The party of Weapons Of Mass Destruction? The party of anybody involved in the Plame leak would be forced out of the White House? The party of illegal wiretapping?

Why should Democrats apologize for Russ Feingold? When are the Republicans going to apologize for Jack Abramoff? What about Ralph Reed? When are the Republicans going to repudiate
Tom DeLay?

There is no reason to distance ourselves from Russ Feingold and his perfectly legitimate calls for censure. The Republicans should publicly distance themselves from the steady stream of lies coming from their propaganda machine - people like Rush Limbaugh who is a junkie, Michael Savage who is a racist, or Bill O'Reilly who encourages al-Qaeda to bomb Coit Tower in San Francisco.

These are the voices that represent the right and we don't owe any apology to these people. We don't have to distance ourselves from one of our own. We're not the party of corruption. We're not the party of bankruptcy and deficit. We're not the party that either through incompetence or malice allowed New Orleans to drown. We're not the party that weakened our nation by bogging down our military in an unwinnable and unjustified war in the Middle East. That's the Republican Party. It's the Republicans that are responsible for our current mess and they should not be pointing fingers. They should be apologizing. They should be ashamed.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush 34% Nixon 27.5%
From: Greg F.
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 11:16 AM

Term Limits? More NeoCon Bullshit, Kendall, throwing the baby out with the bathwater- I'm surprised at you.

We have term limits. They're called elections.

You don't like the job an incumbent is doing, y'all get off your asses & vote 'em out.

Q.E.D.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush 34% Nixon 27.5%
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 11:39 AM

Stephen Elliot is giving a false dichotomy. Feingold and the Republicans are not the only two choices.

And I disagree with his assessment about the Democrats' lack of culpability in creating the various messes in which we as a country find ourselves right now. They're all guilty as hell, Democrats as well as Republicans.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush 34% Nixon 27.5%
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 11:49 AM

The Democrat Mayor and the Democrat Governor were the primary reasons New Orleans drowned. Plus many years of corruption by the Democrats responsible for the Levee systems.

Stephen Elliott writes for the Dems the same as Rush Limbaugh would write for the Repubs.

Both sides of the Aisle have forgotten us.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush 34% Nixon 27.5%
From: CarolC
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 11:59 AM

I vehemently disagree with your assessment of the causes of the destruction of New Orleans, Guest, 15 Mar 06 - 11:49 AM. But I mostly agree with the rest of your post.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush 34% Nixon 27.5%
From: Peace
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 03:11 PM

I agree with GUEST except for the part where s/he left out the complete fu#kup by the Feds. Which is a long way of saying I agree with Carol.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush 34% Nixon 27.5%
From: Arne
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 07:57 PM

33% Another new poll. And search the page for "incompetent" for some real belly laughs.....

Cheers,

Subject: RE: BS: Bush 34% Nixon 27.5%
From: Peace
Date: 15 Mar 06 - 10:11 PM

OK. We gotta get some spin on this.

Half the country did not vote for Bush. Therefore one can expect that they will not say anything positive about him in polls. Half the country did. They would likely say positive things. That 33% figure ACTUALLY translates to 66% when one removes the bias of the Democrats and other such scu, pardon me, people of different political persuasion. SO, Bush is doing very well and enjoying the best poll results since Lord know's who.

I want to be a speech writer for Bush.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush 34% Nixon 27.5%
From: GUEST,Billy
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 12:18 AM

Peace, As was once said, "There are lies, Damn lies and statistics!" The Republicans have been using all three since 2000. The Democrats are without cojones, so what do we do?
    It takes a lot of effort to get a new political party up and running from grass roots and it is even more difficult when the majority of the US Newspapers are in the pockets of the ruling parties (and assholes like Rupert Murdoch). We have the internet (While we can) as the only resource to overthrow these self-appointed "Ruling Classes" now that they have waged war to eliminate the "middle class".
    Can the Mudcat folks come up with an alternative to all this crap? We were the ones who were singing "Times They Are A-Changin'" Back in the 60s. WE changed things back then. What happened? Are we all getting too old to get off our asses and do it again?
    Let's start a thread to decide what can be done to overthrow this bunch of money-grabbing jerks before they land us back in another depression. Let's see how long it takes until your friendly government takes the Mudcat site down. Then you would really know the truth.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush 34% Nixon 27.5%
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 08:04 AM

An anti-incumbency movement both sides of the aisle would kick start things, wouldn't it.

Actually, the answer to "Are we all getting too old to get off our asses and do it again?" is yes. We aren't the front line warriors anymore because we are too old. Our kids need to pick up the torch and get running. But they have all disconnected from the political movements because of the corruption of the main political parties and their "business as usual".

But they are working in positive ways to change things. They just aren't taking the conventional political route we chose to take in the 60s and 70s. They are putting time, money, and energy into the same causes we championed, just not doing it inside the Beltway.

Nothing wrong with that. What we can still do is vote in large enough numbers to turn things around. But when less than half of American voters who actually vote have the Iraq war on their radar, what the hell do you expect? It isn't the politicos you need to get in the face of to change things, it's your friends, neighbors, and work colleagues.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush 34% Nixon 27.5%
From: Rapparee
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 09:31 AM

Right, GUEST. The future is us, and we really should get to it.

Subject: RE: BS: Bush 34% Nixon 27.5%
From: kendall
Date: 17 Mar 06 - 10:06 AM

Whenever I mention term limits, I get that same old refrain, "We have them now, it's called, elections".
Well, there is one HUGE flaw in that thinking. I can not vote against Tom DeLay, Bill Frist or any other of that gang in congress. My vote is limited to the reps. of Maine. We have two Senators, both faily moderate republicans. I vote against them every time. We have two reps. to the house, both democrats, and I get to vote for ONE of them.
I see this as having very little influence over the thieves and crooks in Washington. Would they get anything done? you ask? maybe they do too much now!
I still say, TERM LIMITS. Stop sending the fox to guard the chickens.