BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog

Subject: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: Sorcha
Date: 24 Mar 06 - 09:43 PM

We've lost them both now.....think same thing....same symptoms....we are just totally devastated. Thank you for not sending cards...I MEAN that....I just can't handle it....

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From: Metchosin
Date: 24 Mar 06 - 09:51 PM

oh jeez Sorcha, I'm so sorry. My heart goes out to you.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: Little Hawk
Date: 24 Mar 06 - 09:52 PM

It's a tremendously painful thing losing pets that have been loving companions for many years. I feel for you.

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From: bobad
Date: 24 Mar 06 - 09:53 PM

My condolences to your family.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: Rapparee
Date: 24 Mar 06 - 09:54 PM

Oh, no! There's nothing I can say...please, just accept our good thoughts.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: Bobert
Date: 24 Mar 06 - 09:54 PM

No, no, no....

Oh, my heart goes out to ya', Sorch....

(((((((((((BIG HUG)))))))))))))

Bobert

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From: Alba
Date: 24 Mar 06 - 10:05 PM

{{{{{{{ Big Hug}}}}}}}}}}
Sad, very, very sad to hear this Sorcha.
Your are in my thoughts Darlin
Love
Jude

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From: katlaughing
Date: 24 Mar 06 - 10:17 PM

{{{{{{{{{{{{{{Sorcha & Family}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

luvyakat&critters

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: Sorcha
Date: 24 Mar 06 - 10:34 PM

When I get the results back I'll let you know....just not a good day here.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 24 Mar 06 - 10:36 PM

I think I need to go give my girls an extra hug this evening, just because. That's such sad news, Sorcha.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: Jeri
Date: 24 Mar 06 - 10:46 PM

Sorcha, I'm so sorry.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: wysiwyg
Date: 24 Mar 06 - 11:05 PM

I love you, honey.

~S~

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: artbrooks
Date: 24 Mar 06 - 11:17 PM

We are really sad to hear this...thinking of you and your family.

Love, Art and Jenn

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 12:11 AM

My sympathies Sorcha. I lost my two 18 year old cats within a few weeks of each other while I was extremely sick. A good friend insisted on my acquiring a new kitten after a while, now I have 2 again because I found that two felines together are much more than twice as happy as one.

May you keep pleasant memories of both your lost friends, and may you also find out just what it was that caused the sudden deterioration, so that you can avoid it with your next lot of 4 legged friends.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 05:36 AM

((((xXx))))

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: Morticia
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 05:37 AM

I'm so sorry, Sorch, that's more than anyone should have to bear.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: pixieofdoom
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 06:20 AM

That's awful news Sorch, I'm so sorry

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: AllisonA(Animaterra)
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 06:51 AM

(((hugs)))

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From: Purple Foxx
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 06:56 AM

And my sympathies as well.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: gnu
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 07:26 AM

My sincerest condolences.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: LilyFestre
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 08:01 AM

Aw Sorch,

I'm so sorry. ((((((((Big Hugs)))))))))

((((((((Another big hug))))))))))))

Lots of love,

Michelle

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: kendall
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 09:36 AM

Terrible news, there is something poison in your house or curtilege.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: SussexCarole
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 09:46 AM

We're thinking of you Sorch. So sorry to hear the news. Lots of love Carole & Andrew xxx

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: ranger1
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 12:06 PM

I'm so sorry, Sorcha.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: KT
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 01:56 PM

Thinking of you today, Sorcha. I'm so sorry.

KT

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: GUEST,SunnySister
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 01:59 PM

Oh my dear, I am so sorry. Just checked this site and am shock for you and your husband.

I hope you know that I am sending you my best, dear lady.
This is horrible.

--SunnySister

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: Sorcha
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 03:20 PM

Thank you all soooooo very much

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: Catherine Jayne
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 03:34 PM

I'm so sorry to hear this Sorcha.

{{{hugs}}}

Khatt

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: jacqui.c
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 03:49 PM

So sorry to hear that Sorcha.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: SINSULL
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 04:39 PM

Sorry, Sorch. There isn't anything else to say.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: Zany Mouse
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 04:56 PM

Sending hugs and healing thoughts.

Luv

Rhiannon

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 06:43 PM

Sorry to hear this Sorcha.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: Sorcha
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 07:25 PM

Finally got ALL the carpet out of the basement, and floor swept and bleached....now for the upstairs floors.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: maire-aine
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 08:25 PM

I'm so sorry.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 10:44 PM

No idea yet what caused this? Are you and your family safe?

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: wysiwyg
Date: 25 Mar 06 - 10:51 PM

Bes/Bud, this is NOT YOUR FAULT.

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: Sorcha
Date: 26 Mar 06 - 12:51 AM

The general idea is a sewer back up....possibly either hepatitis or leptospsirosis...still waiting on lab results...and, well, Whizy, my head knows that but my heart doesn't....should have found the nasty sooner....but I know....just so heartbroken....no dog at all tonight....

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: MBSLynne
Date: 26 Mar 06 - 06:19 AM

Oh Sorch, I'm sooo sorry. (((((((((((((((((Sorcha))))))))))))))))))))))

Love Lynne

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: GUEST,Donuel : your grateful
Date: 26 Mar 06 - 08:22 AM

Sorcha, as the soul person who let me know of the fertile green pastures of this forum of music and ideas, you are to me central to the spirit and experience of all the people here who are kind.

So my dear
I do not wish to cause fear
but
your dear pets may have been the canaries in your mine.

Please take care.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: Severn
Date: 26 Mar 06 - 08:48 AM

As a friend and help to me (and my cat) and having talked to you as this was going on, I've some idea of how devastating this has been
for you and your family members and what you all have been through. My thoughts are with you and good luck on finding the cause and thus preventing any recurrence and insuring a long life and good time with future four legged companions.

My thoughts are with you. Hang in there.

Severn

And a reassuring meow from Molly, though she may not know why.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 26 Mar 06 - 11:15 AM

Sorcha, is your house safe for humans--are you exposed to the same thing that killed your dogs? Be safe--move out for a while if you have to until the problem is absolutely diagnosed and mitigated. Your homeowners insurance should cover it.

SRS

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: Sorcha
Date: 26 Mar 06 - 12:22 PM

Yes, Don and Maggie.....I am sterilizing everything.....we are as paranoid as anyone. Waiting on lab results and cultures to see what we are dealing with. We are almost certain that it was K9 hepatitis or lepto which humans can get. The entire basement floor has been chloroxed to a fare thee well, and I'm shampooing carpets and furniture with Simple Green. Can't use Clorox on carpets. The odd thing is that the grand dog never got sick (had blood work done on him) and neither of the cats got sick.

The probable primary cause was a sewage back up in the basement....feces...dogs walked on it before we discovered it (seldom go down there) and licked their feet....but, so do the cats. Grand dog doesn't go down there.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: wysiwyg
Date: 26 Mar 06 - 12:34 PM

A professional carpet cleaner should be able to recommend or use a germicidal agent more powerful than Simple Green. For the contamination you suggest may be responsible, IMO professional advice is strongly indicated.

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: bobad
Date: 26 Mar 06 - 12:47 PM

I'm a little mystified as to why a definitive diagnosis was not made when your first dog fell ill and succumbed.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: GUEST,Marion
Date: 26 Mar 06 - 12:48 PM

Sorcha, I'm so sorry to hear this. Your little dogs were wonderful animals.

Love, Marion

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: Sorcha
Date: 26 Mar 06 - 01:08 PM

Because it takes time to culture stuff......

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: bobad
Date: 26 Mar 06 - 01:22 PM

These days many infectious agents such as canine leptospirosis and hepatitis can be rapidly diagnosed by simple serological techniques.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: Sorcha
Date: 26 Mar 06 - 01:25 PM

So, maybe I had a crappy vet to start with.....and they started treatment for both immeidately.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: saulgoldie
Date: 26 Mar 06 - 01:34 PM

My deepest condolences.

Saul

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: bobad
Date: 26 Mar 06 - 01:45 PM

Were your dogs vaccinated against these diseases?

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: Sorcha
Date: 26 Mar 06 - 01:53 PM

Of course, but there are several kinds of lepto, and the vac doesn't work for all of them....so say the vets.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: wysiwyg
Date: 26 Mar 06 - 02:00 PM

Sorcha, I am sure no one means to harass or castigate-- we just wish we could help, too, so minds are spinning. I know you have lavished an amazing amount of love and care on your dogs. When these things happen we all feel like we should have known more, done more, prevented more.

Please, honey, sign off for awhile, and rest yourself, OK?

~Susan

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: bobad
Date: 26 Mar 06 - 02:22 PM

Yes, there are several sub-types of the bacterium and immunity to one does not necessarily confer immunity to another but most vaccines are designed to immunize against the most common sub-types.

I know this is an emotionally sensitive time for you and I'm not trying to question the care you received from your vet, it's just that as a dog owner and lover myself I see this as an opportunity to learn about something I have not encountered and be prepared for if ever I do.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: Sorcha
Date: 26 Mar 06 - 02:36 PM

I know...and I'm not upset with you at all. I'll be OK.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: Cobble
Date: 26 Mar 06 - 05:45 PM

We have a little patch at the end of our garden 4 in there, tears have flowed. Happy memories will live on until you all meet again at the rainbow bridge.

          Blessings Cobble and Mrs C.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: SunnySister
Date: 27 Mar 06 - 11:19 AM

Good morning Sorcha,

Still in shock for you and your husband. Please let us know as soon as you can of the lab results. I am very worried for you and your husband's health.

--SunnySister the worry-wart who cares about you :)

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: Jerry Rasmussen
Date: 27 Mar 06 - 12:07 PM

Hey, Sorch:

Maybe enough time has passed now that I can offer my sympathy for the loss of your dog. I know how much it hurts. You've always talked so lovingly about your dogs, so I know how much they meant to you.

Jerry

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: Sorcha
Date: 27 Mar 06 - 09:16 PM

Ok...got partial labs back....the bacteria were E. Coli and enterococci....both transferable to other mammals from sewage. He also could have gotten them from the ruptured bile duct.

He also had clotting issues with the platelets. Not sure why. Should have full labs in about 2 weeks.

Have been scrubbing everything with chlorine bleach or Lysol, rubber gloves, mucho showers, hand washing etc. Being as careful as we can.

Thanks friends.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: Janie
Date: 27 Mar 06 - 09:48 PM

Sorch I've been out of town and just saw this. I am so very sorry...I can't imagine your heartbreak.

more ((((((((((((((((((((((((hugs)))))))))))))))))))))))))

for all of you.

Janie

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: open mike
Date: 27 Mar 06 - 09:51 PM

Oh Sorchie, my sweet, this is more than anyone
should have to bear. please accept a big hug
from me.

I know your four legged friends were very special
to you and to others, and therfore, to us all.

be careful sending scrubbing water down the drain
til you are sure it won't overflow and back up again!!

be safe, and best wishes for hanging in there thru all this.

Laurel

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: Sorcha
Date: 27 Mar 06 - 09:55 PM

PS...(sorry to keep posting so much, but I keep finding stuff out) the entero stuff is VERY antibiotic resistant...which fits with the profiles of our dogs.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: bobad
Date: 27 Mar 06 - 10:04 PM

E.Coli and enterococcus are normal intestinal flora but can cause problems in wounds or in organs especially a particularly resistant strain of enterococcus called VRE or vancomycin resistant enterococcus. It has become particularly problematic in hospitals and nursing homes.

Subject: RE: BS: Obit: Sorch's Gilley Dog
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 27 Mar 06 - 11:50 PM

You take it easy and be very careful.


Enterococcus

The enterococcus group is a subgroup of the fecal streptococci. The enterococci portion of the streptococcus group is a valuable bacterial indicator for determining the extent of fecal contamination of recreational surface waters. Studies in marine and fresh water studies indicate that enterococci are the most efficient bacterial indicator of water quality. Enterococcus is a bacteria found in the human intestine and therefore a good indicator of human waste.

Another site says "Pathology Enterococci are the leading cause of nosocomial infection (or secondary infection aquired while in a hospital). They are responsible for approximately 110,000 cases of urinary tract infection, 25,000 cases of bacteremia, 40,000 wound infections, and 1,100 cases of endocarditis yearly in the United States. To infect hosts enterococci primarily colonize mucosal surfaces. They also must evade host defenses although little is known about the actual mechanism of evasion. The pathogenicity of the organism is believed to be closely associated with its ability to produce cytolysin, a toxin that causes rupture of a variety of target membranes, including bacterial cells, erythrocytes, and other mammalian cells."