BS: Marvin Bush

Subject: BS: Marvin Bush
From: GUEST,Texas Guest
Date: 01 Jun 06 - 12:07 AM

I did a search of Mudcat for "Marvin Bush" and found nothing. Do you folks know about the below?

George W. Bush's brother was on the board of directors of a company providing electronic security for the World Trade Center, Dulles International Airport and United Airlines, according to public records. The company was backed by an investment firm, the Kuwait-American Corp., also linked for years to the Bush family.

The security company, formerly named Securacom and now named Stratesec, is in Sterling, Va.. Its CEO, Barry McDaniel, said the company had a ``completion contract" to handle some of the security at the World Trade Center ``up to the day the buildings fell down."

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0204-06.htm

Any comments?

Subject: RE: BS: Marvin Bush
From: dianavan
Date: 01 Jun 06 - 12:13 AM

My comment: Nepotism insures that the scum always rises to the top.

Subject: RE: BS: Marvin Bush
From: GUEST,Texas Guest
Date: 01 Jun 06 - 12:30 AM

That's true enough. Unassailable generalization, but this is a very SPECIFIC point being made with this information about Marvin Bush. This article lays the groundwork to tie Marvin directly to the 9-11 murders. But it was never followed up on. Here's another interesting article:

"Daria Coard, 37, a guard at Tower One, said the security detail had been working 12-hour shifts for the past two weeks because of numerous phone threats. But on Thursday, bomb-sniffing dogs were abruptly removed."

http://www.newsday.com/news/nationworld/nation/ny-nyaler122362178sep12,0,1255660.story

See, Marvin Bush had this job providing security for the World Trade Center complex, for one of the airports used in the hijackings and for one of the airliners used. His job with that security company was scheduled to end on 9-11. On Sept 6, bomb-sniffing dogs were removed from the complex. On Sept 8 and Sept 9, there were power outages in the complex (while bombs were wired). Then after the bldgs came down, there was enough incriminating evidence of bombs to convict a thousand Marvin Bushes. And to try a thousand presidents for treason. So why hasn't this happened, I guess is my point. George W, Marvin and Jeb were involved intimately with the murders on 9-11. Why are they still terrorizing us?

Subject: RE: BS: Marvin Bush
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Jun 06 - 10:56 AM

There are many conspiracy theories and you can go crazy with it. Do more reading about it and you will discover that some of the facts are tweaked and wrenched around to make them fit an agenda. This is evident in every man-caused disaster.

Subject: RE: BS: Marvin Bush
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jun 06 - 11:08 AM

People who bring down buildings for a living would be amazed at the accuracy of the drops. However, the building that's of even more interest is Building 7. It wasn't touched by a plane. Almost like a pro job, huh? And to think that pros dropping that building would have needed a minimum of three days to place the charges--and it was all done in less than six hours.

Subject: RE: BS: Marvin Bush
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jun 06 - 11:10 AM

Read all about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Marvin Bush
From: katlaughing
Date: 01 Jun 06 - 11:45 AM

Here's a bit more on him: click here

Subject: RE: BS: Marvin Bush
From: CarolC
Date: 01 Jun 06 - 12:16 PM

I think Patrick Fitzgerald should head the independent investigation.

If they didn't do anything wrong, they've got nothing to fear from an independent investigation. And if they did do something wrong, we ought to know about it.

Subject: RE: BS: Marvin Bush
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jun 06 - 12:36 PM

Participating in the murder of three thousand people surely ranks up there as 'something wrong'.

Subject: RE: BS: Marvin Bush
From: GUEST,Texas Guest
Date: 01 Jun 06 - 01:12 PM

This isn't a "theory" Ebbie, it's a fact. I didn't write the news article, I didn't make up a list of people connected with the company. Marvin Bush's security interests were supposed to be taking care of the WTC, Dulles and United. And Marvin took care of them, alright.

And as far as GW and Jeb, their "criminal demeanor" is very telling. The law places GREAT emphasis on how a person accused of a crime acts, the demeanor, and GWBush waited 411 days to launch an investigation into 911. It took a week after Pearl Harbor to launch one, a week after JFK, a week after the shuttle disaster. Yet GWBush, while shouting in your face that you were in dire danger unless you submitted to his attacks on the Constitution, took 411 days to start the investigation. That is "criminal demeanor" and would put YOUR backside in the sling of an indictment before you had time to phone your lawyer.

And Jeb Bush. His name was on the 1999 PNAC document which called for a Pearl-Harbor-like event in order to jumpstart social reengineering in the U.S. And Jeb initiated a state of martial law (he signed the order, I didn't) just two days before 9-11. First time in Florida's history the state had gone under martial law, and there was no crisis on Sept 9. But GW was coming to visit, so he'd be safe when the terrorists "unexpectedly" did the deed. That makes Jeb guilty of "criminal demeanor." He knew something was about to happen. YOU would be in prison, undergoing torture as an enemy combatant, if you had shown similar prior-knowledge.

The list goes on and on and on and on......

The Bushes are chin-deep in blood on this one. Again, why are they still allowed out in public? And ost people have no "agenda" when relating facts like this. I hate the Clintons just as much as the Bushes. The Clintons are just lieutenants in the Bush crime family. All I want is my constitution. Intact, with Patrick Henry's glorious Bill of Rights. And the Republocrats are dead set on taking away those rights. They have to be stopped, and the easiest way to do that is to expose them for the criminals they are. Marvin Bush did the above, GW did the above, Jeb did the above. They need to be tried, in court, for their actions. No diversionary impeachment, no censure, just trials for treason.

Subject: RE: BS: Marvin Bush
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jun 06 - 01:27 PM

http://www.911truthbristol.com/videos/films.html

That's a link to political videos.

"Putting 911 in Historical Context" and "Human Rights Post 911"...highly recommended. The first ends with a video tour of a concentration camp in Indiana. An old Amtrak facility newly renovated by the govt. Govt machinery left behind, the place empty, but lots of barbed wire slanted inwards, to keep people IN, not out, new flooring in unused warehouses, new gas pipes leading to enormous furnaces. All of that right by a train track. Seems I've seen footage like that somewhere before. Better download this stuff now, before you can no longer do so. Just "right-click" your mouse and "save target as" onto your hard drive.

http://www.question911.com/links.php

The motherlode of 911 videos. "Loose Change" covers the high points in the most concise and persuasive manner, and for bombastically enthusiastic patriotism at its best, there's "Martial Law" by Alex Jones.

I've downloaded these onto my hard drive and hand out CD-Rs now. Used to make tapes of this stuff, but this is cheaper, and you can put many hours of video on a CDR.

The 911 eyewitness video may be the most fascinating of all. Shot from Hoboken, NJ, across the river from Manhattan. Amazing footage. Acoustical analysis of the explosions that day, the pyroclastic clouds typical of controlled demolitions, etc. Quite a testament to the Bush family's handiwork.

Subject: RE: BS: Marvin Bush
From: Ebbie
Date: 01 Jun 06 - 03:22 PM

My distaste for the Bush family is as real as anyone else's but I have a great problem with this kind of thing. Correlation does not necessrily equate with Cause.

Let's say that it's true that the WTCs were brought down internally - as far as you can be sure of, it wasn't Bush who plotted and engineered it. You/we have not examined or eliminated ANYONE ELSE who may have had access to the buildings or a political axe to grind. Bush was on the Board, he was not the engineer on the job. Boards of Directors do not most commonly get its hands dirty- and if you are saying that the whole Board was complicit that's a whole different bag of problems.

And I don't for one minute believe that Jeb Bush put the State of Florida under martial law before G Bush came to town.

I know - Elvis is NOT dead; Marilyn was murdered; in fact, Rudolf Valentino is not dead. Thus has it ever been. If it makes you feel better to concoct conspiracies or to believe others' concoctions, have at it.

Subject: RE: BS: Marvin Bush
From: CarolC
Date: 01 Jun 06 - 03:26 PM

Ebbie, have you watched any of the videos in the links of Guest,01 Jun 06 - 01:27 PM's post?

The "Face the Facts" one in the truthbristol.com link is worth watching even if you don't look at it from the perspective of blaming Marvin Bush for anything.

Subject: RE: BS: Marvin Bush
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 01 Jun 06 - 04:58 PM

Without taking a stance on the validity of the argument, those videos are poorly-made, deliberately edited, deliberately dubbed with both audio and textual propaganda and are useless as evidence.

Subject: RE: BS: Marvin Bush
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jun 06 - 05:02 PM

Seems like there is NO evidence anywhere. Four planes 'crashed', the Pentagon was hit, three building dropped in NYC, there was a plane crash in Pennsylvania and guess what? NO evidence. WOW.

Subject: RE: BS: Marvin Bush
From: CarolC
Date: 01 Jun 06 - 05:05 PM

I think they ask some questions that I would like to see answered. That's why I think an independent investigation would be a good thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Marvin Bush
From: TheBigPinkLad
Date: 01 Jun 06 - 05:07 PM

No evidence of what?

Subject: RE: BS: Marvin Bush
From: robomatic
Date: 01 Jun 06 - 05:12 PM

Hmm,

There's plenty of evidence, and it indicates that aircraft were purposely piloted into the Twin Towers causing the conflagration that weakened the structure and precipitated the collapses. There's been more than one quality show on it including "Why The Towers Fell" which was on Nova. There have been a lot of 'theories' by internet know nothings which are as much theories as the one about the little men in the ground who make the grass grow. Interestingly, their are more theories out there than conclusions from this sort. Some of 'em have a lot of theories. It's the evidence for these theories that is lacking.

There's a distinction to be made between people, systems, presidents and presidents' relatives whom we may not like, and the facts of a situation. Being able to blame things on someone we are prepared to dislike doesn't suddenly make the facts change (for most of us, anyway).

But as my bud' Steven Colbert would no doubt say, being able to blame things on someone you suddenly discover may impact the 'truthiness'.

So go crazy, unnamed ones.

Subject: RE: BS: Marvin Bush
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jun 06 - 09:33 PM

Here's Jeb's contribution to the stew. And it was 4 days before 9-11, not 2. My mistake. Looks like those rats were prepared to hunker down and shield themselves behind elementary school kids AND soldiers. Don't you know they were tickled when the news media actually SOLD the public on the notion that the Cavemen of Tora Bora got NORAD to stand down?:

http://www.myflorida.com/eog_new/eog/orders/2001/september/eo2001-261-09-07-01.html

And there are lots of articles on the web, written by literal rocket scientists, that explain why the 9-11 commission report is an impossibility. Primarily, the report concludes the twin towers fell due to fire. Problem is, the fuel in the jets burned off almost immediately and the interior of the bldgs was fireproofed. Jet fuel can only reach half the temp needed to melt steel anyway, and then it would take hours and hours. And if the fires were intense enough to bring down the bldgs, how do you account for this?:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/january2005/170105woman.jpg

The official report doesn't even MENTION building 7. A 47-story steel skyscraper that wasn't hit by a plane but fell anyway. Just go on about your business. A bldg fell but we won't discuss it if you won't. Long live Caeser.

And PBS is even more govt-controlled than Fox and CBS, et al. Of COURSE Nova's going to tell you the case is solved. Geez.

The Bushes are guilty. It was Bush # 1 and Dick Cheney who ran the show. GW's just an idiot manchild they want us to fixate on, as either a hero or a killer, they don't care. But it's the thing behind the pasteboard mask I chiefly hate, as Capt. Ahab said. The Bush/Clinton/Kennedy gangster organization has got to go. And soon, because any day now Osama's gonna show up in Iran and Billary and GW are going to send your kiddies over there.

Subject: RE: BS: Marvin Bush
From: GUEST
Date: 01 Jun 06 - 09:50 PM

'SCUSE ME WHILE I KISS THE SKY!

Subject: RE: BS: Marvin Bush
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jun 06 - 12:19 AM

Q: ...how did you feel when you heard about the terrorist attack?

PRESIDENT BUSH: Well -- (applause) -- thank you, Jordan.

Well, Jordan, you're not going to believe where -- what state I was in when I heard about the terrorist attack. I was in Florida. And my chief of staff, Andy Card -- well, actually I was in a classroom, talking about a reading program that works. And it -- I was sitting outside the -- the classroom, waiting to go in, and I saw an airplane hit the tower of a -- of a -- you know, the TV was obviously on, and I -- I used to fly myself, and I said, "Well, there's one terrible pilot." And I said it must have been a horrible accident.

-----

Only problem with this is, the only existing tape to surface so far of the first plane hitting is the one by the Naudet brothers. They were in NYC filming a documentary and tilted the camera up when the roar of the jet was heard. Caught the first impact on videotape. But they didn't make the tape public until the NEXT DAY. And Bush is very specific about the time (before he went into the classroom), and it's a matter of public record that Card went in and told him when the SECOND plane hit. So, Bush saw something none of US did. He saw the first plane hit. He made this statement weeks after the attacks, too, so this wasn't a kneejerk, stumbling response. He saw the plane hit, then he went in to try to hawk his brother's bogus reading software (the software he uses the presidency to promote is a Bush family business). So Bush saw a live feed of the first plane hitting. That means someone had to know, in advance, what was going to happen and where to aim the camera. Bush admitted it. Outsmarted by a CHILD named Jordan.

Texas Guest

Subject: RE: BS: Marvin Bush
From: GUEST,C-flat
Date: 02 Jun 06 - 06:24 AM

Here's what George has to say on the matter.

Subject: RE: BS: Marvin Bush
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jun 06 - 08:29 AM

Convinced by now that there is little believable info in this thread?

Subject: RE: BS: Marvin Bush
From: CarolC
Date: 02 Jun 06 - 12:51 PM

Guest,02 Jun 06 - 08:29 AM , are you suggesting that what Bush is quoted as having said in Texas Guest's 02 Jun 06 - 12:19 AM post came from C-flat's speach generator?

Subject: RE: BS: Marvin Bush
From: GUEST,Texas Guest
Date: 02 Jun 06 - 01:28 PM

As Ebbie wrestles with the profound implications of her new discovery regarding Jeb's complicity in 9-11, the govt-controlled debunkers fail miserably to shift attn away from the fact that their boss is a mass-murderer.

1) a mass murder is committed, 2) the man who is supposed to order an investigation refuses to, 3) it is learned his family has more to gain from the murder than any other group, 4) the man eventually self-incriminates on tape.

If YOU were accused of the 9-11 murders and the issue of your involvement could be proven with a simple checking of the timeline and your public statements, you would have been executed by now for saying what GWBush said. That's how potent the statement is. A judge would consider it ironclad proof of involvement. And those two bits of tape are going to pave GW's way into the gas chamber, if the justice system is allowed to work as it was intended. He blew his alibi. He confessed. YOU couldn't get away with saying it was just a "Bushism," and he won't either. That's why thousands of people have saved the clips and point to them as proof. When the gangsters who have seized Washington are rooted out and dispensed with, GW will be Nuremberged with those two brief snippets of tape.

You debunkers have grown anemic. They must be scraping the bottom of the barrel to employ the likes of you. In the beginning it was true ideologues who argued this stuff, and they weren't too bad, but you guys...man. This must be part of your work-release arrangement. Community-service hours on the web arguing in favor of the Bush gangster family. What'd you guys do anyway, to get sentenced to this kind of work?

The reading program GW was hawking when he cut his own throat was some garbage his brother Neil was pushing at the time. Part of the U.N./Bush/Clinton program to dumb down Americans so we'll be too stoopid to recognize the yoke when it's finally secured permanently. "No Child Left Behind" is the death of the American Public Education system, and just weeks after he was chief puppet in the murders of thousands of Americans, GW managed to confess to the crime AND get in a pitch for Neil's education software. That's how much contempt they have for you.

"After Neil Bush was banned from banking activities for his role in the Savings and Loan scandal in the late 1980s, he decided to bank on education and founded Ignite Incorporated. Ignite sells software to help students prepare to take comprehensive tests required under the No Child Left Behind act that was pushed through by Neil's older brother - President Bush."

http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/03/12/1534244

Come back, Ebbie. Got lots of other good stuff for you.

Subject: RE: BS: Marvin Bush
From: GUEST
Date: 02 Jun 06 - 06:50 PM

Actually, it's been confirmed that Elvis was the twentieth pilot. Elvis became a born again Muslim after meeting Mohammed Ali at a prayer breakfast (just wasn't the sort of prayer breakfast The King was expecting). Well, one thing led to another and Elvis, who was already flight trained, met the Osama and in fact wrote a song about it, which Ray Stevens purglarized into "Osama Yo'Mama".

The date 911 was chosen because if you turn it upside down you get 116 which was the number of pounds Elvis was above his ideal weight, although my sources are hazy on whether or not this was a mistake.

One of the web sites that specializes in really gross photos and videos at one time had a picture of Osama in one of those sequined Elvis costumes, although these can be faked.

Subject: RE: BS: Marvin Bush
From: GUEST,Texas Guest
Date: 02 Jun 06 - 06:51 PM

That's very interesting, but MY source is a source, of course.

Subject: RE: BS: Marvin Bush
From: pdq
Date: 02 Jun 06 - 07:44 PM

my source is a source
    of course, of course
unless the source of the source
    of course, of course
is the famous Mr. Ed...

Subject: RE: BS: Marvin Bush
From: Ebbie
Date: 02 Jun 06 - 09:12 PM

"You debunkers have grown anemic. They must be scraping the bottom of the barrel to employ the likes of you. In the beginning it was true ideologues who argued this stuff, and they weren't too bad, but you guys...man. This must be part of your work-release arrangement. Community-service hours on the web arguing in favor of the Bush gangster family. What'd you guys do anyway, to get sentenced to this kind of work?"

Nasty stuff, Texas Guest. If you knew the Cat better your opinion would be more credible.

(Besides, get your brothers straightened out- Neil and Jeb are not the same person.)

I watched the video- all I can say is that I am already aware of my gullibilities. I recognize that it is easy to cherry pick on either side. There is damining evidence - and there is also fraudulent twisting of facts. It is up to us to work at unraveling it. At my age and at this stage of my life, it is more important to me to get it right than it is to toss the shit into the air hoping it splatters someone. Especially when I already distrust and despise that person.

Subject: RE: BS: Marvin Bush
From: GUEST,Another Guest
Date: 02 Jun 06 - 09:51 PM

There are trained pilots and flight instructors on record saying no pilot with as little training as these Saudis apparently had could have executed the maneuver necessary to hit the second tower.

There are structural engineers on record saying that there is no way the impact and fire from the plane hits could have brought those towers down.

There are experts on record saying that the collapses had to have been controlled demolitions. (How else to explain building 7? It fell down out of sympathy?)

Subject: RE: BS: Marvin Bush
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 12:22 PM

This is strictly off the top of my head and memory. It is my effort to understand what is being said and implied here. Some of it may be true- but it doesn't come close to explaining what kind of people would set up and perpetrate this kind of action, so in my opinion it explains just about nothing. To begin with, it boggles the imagination and anyone's knowledge of humankind to accept that so many people would hold their tongues.

Motivations and Sequence of Events Leading to 9/11

·There was money to be made. Numerous insurance policies were taken out in advance of the event by people "in the know".

·Iraq was slated to be invaded and Saddam to be overthrown.

·Osama bin Laden was at the least in a position to be exploited or perhaps just amenable to the plot. In return, he would not be 'found' or captured.

·The US government was complicit in the support and training of 19 planned hijackers. The fact that most of the hijackers were Saudi Arabians – as was bin Laden – is predictable, given the US friendship with Saudi Arabia.

·A number of the hijackers were given the names of other – and uninvolved - people so that "no one" knows the identities of all those who died.

·Preparatory to the event date, at the US government behest and its financial support, charges for demolition were strategically placed in three buildings in Manhattan: the twin towers and Building 7. (It is possible that the owner of Building 7, knowing of the planned attacks, acted on his own and in order to profit, took out billions of dollars in insurance on Building 7.)

·The Pentagon was purposely reinforced along the walls that the plan called to be attacked, then demolition charges were strategically placed and held in readiness.

·President Bush was scheduled to be out of town at the time, in fact in his brother's home state.

·When Bush was told of the second plane's attack, he remained seated and immobile for 7 minutes. He did not confer with anyone else nor did any governmental body rush in to secure his safety.

·On the given date, the usual safeguards were withdrawn from the region- in fact, in order to further confuse the issue, war games were instated for that week, including on that day. Therefore, few fighter jets were available to be sent aloft and those that were available were not scrambled until too late to make a difference.

·Flight 77- it is alleged – did not exist. (??)

·The pilots were given the coordinates of the twin towers and trained in its use.

·The airports from which the planes were hijacked were not in on the plot; it was sheer incompetence and bad luck that let most of the pilots onto those flights.

·Plane #1 hit Tower 2 and then about 30 minutes later, the second one hit Tower 1. Building 7 was not hit.

·The two towers imploded – both in an impeccably controlled fashion - within the hour. Building 7 had numerous small fires visible in its interior and also imploded shortly after.

·Unlike in other disasters no governmental inquiry commission was impaneled until a year later, when the president relented and formed the 9/11 Commission.

·The Commission addressed only one conspiracy theory, that of the bin Laden and al Quaeda connection. They did not follow up the possibility of US complicity and instigation that some were already postulating.

Subject: RE: BS: Marvin Bush
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 01:45 PM

There are two assumptions implicit in conspiracy theories, and I firmly believe that neither assumption has a chance of being true.
a)The Government is capable of successfully carring out an even- moderately complex plan, and
b) That they could keep it a secret.

Subject: RE: BS: Marvin Bush
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 01:50 PM

LOL. They don't have to keep it a secret. All they have to do is slap the label "conspiracy theorist" onto anyone who finds out about it and spills the beans. And fire their ass if they were in a position to know from the inside.

Subject: RE: BS: Marvin Bush
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 01:51 PM

P{roblem is still Bush's seven minutes of blue funk when he got the news. Maybe he realized at that moment that the talk had become the reality.

Subject: RE: BS: Marvin Bush
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 03:23 PM

CarolC, incurring the label of 'conspiracy theorist' or being fired from one's job or having one's career damaged because of spilling the beans is not enough to keep good people from speaking up.

Yes, I believe there are individuals out there capable of just about anything but there are also many good people out there- I just don't believe that there's this cabal of monsters out there bent on destroying everything around them in the pursuit of the almighty dollar and in the process risk destroying themselves.

Obviously there are many things I don't understand, many things that, at the least on the surface, are damning. The problem is that there are many people who are very selective in what they present.

Subject: RE: BS: Marvin Bush
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 04:08 PM

But it looks like good people are speaking up, Ebbie. And people in this thread are dismissing what they are saying instead of calling for more investigations. That is a very circular way of thinking...

"The charges can't be true because 'good' people aren't speaking up about it."

"The people speaking up about it can't be right because by speaking up about it, they prove themself to be not 'good people'."

As I said before, if the people in question haven't done anything wrong, they have nothing to fear from an in-depth independent investigation.

Subject: RE: BS: Marvin Bush
From: GUEST,Frank
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 05:10 PM

O.K., which conspiracy theory do you believe, the one by Griffin "The New Pearl Harbor" or
the one put out by the 911 Commission?

Either way, we don't have the correct information available to us.

I tend toward Griffin since many of the points he makes in his book seem reasonable and none of the points by the 911 Commission do.

Frank

Subject: RE: BS: Marvin Bush
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 05:20 PM

CarolC, I am referring to 'good people' speaking up who are in the loop, who do have knowledge of the conspiracies.

The good people in this world - including Mudcatters - who are speaking up, trying to save this world- well, bless them. Our voices may encourage others to speak.

So far as I'm aware, no one 'in the know' is speaking up to our world at large.

And that is my point. Since I know there are good people out there, I have every reason to believe that those good people would not remain silent if the situations were such as are being bruited about here.

Subject: RE: BS: Marvin Bush
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 06:26 PM

But some of those people who are (or were) in the loop have spoken up. Most of the ones who did were promptly fired.

Subject: RE: BS: Marvin Bush
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 06:27 PM

...which of course is a very possible reason why more of them haven't.

Subject: RE: BS: Marvin Bush
From: Ebbie
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 09:12 PM

Names? Identities?

It's truly not that I am disbelieving you, CarolC.

Subject: RE: BS: Marvin Bush
From: CarolC
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 09:41 PM

I think they're in that video I said was worth watching, Ebbie (or maybe in one of the links I found on that site). I don't have time to watch the whole thing again to get the names, but if you watch it, you can find them for yourself. If you don't see them there, I'll see if I can find them in one of the other links I opened up from that site.

If I recall correctly, there was an air traffic controller who spoke up and was fired, and also people in other positions of responsibility in the government who have spoken up, at least one of whom was fired. There was a guy who worked for Underwriters Laboratories (the people who set standards for safety in products) who was fired after he spoke up.

If the Bush people have nothing to hide, why are they so afraid of scrutiny?

Subject: RE: BS: Marvin Bush
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 11:21 PM

All NYC firefighters were placed under a gag order about the events of the day. They heard bombs. They're on film saying they did.

I'm the one who started this thread Ebbie. All those questions you ask are aswered in the videos, I think.

Oh, and I know the difference between Marvin and Neil Bush. My point on that was that GW is so insane, he scoffed about 9-11 (THAT video clip is floating around for download), he actually chuckled about 9-11 when answering "Jordan," then he went on in the same breath and pitched his brother Neil's phony software. Our President laughing about his mass murder after convicting himself with his own words, then going on to pitch a Bush family business. Amazing.

As far as the motive behind the current unrest in the world, it's not money or oil or material things in the sense we normally think of them that are to blame. The peoplem behind these events want the PLANET. They PRINT the money, so how could it be about making a buck? They literally MAKE the bucks. They want us mud races to go up in flames, then they plan to control the "New World." Hitler's term. Updated by the Bushes to "New World Order."

Subject: RE: BS: Marvin Bush
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 11:37 PM

New Order. That's what I meant to say. That's what Hitler called his vision. And Bush # 1 called it a "New World Order" for the first time in public at the U.N. on Sept 11, 1990. Then we have Sept 11, 2001. Exactly 11 years after the old man called for an update of Hitler's world.

That's another problem, too. These folks are insane numerologists, for whatever reason. They like numbers divisible by 11. 11 is some mystical # for them. I personally believe the twin towers were built to be destroyed. The had 110 stories (divisible by 11), and they looked like a giant 11 on the NYC skyline.

The Illuminatists and Masons are obsessed with 11 because of the twin pillars of Solomon's temple. Bunch of voodoo and cabalistic mumbo jumbo, but unfortunately the elite running the world seem to attach importance to it.

Which makes me nervous, because June 6 is coming up. June 6, 06. 666. Now, haven't we been taught all our lives that's the 'number of the beast' and such. Well, I fear this date will be too juicy for George HW Bush and Rumsfeld and the Queen and Juan Carlos to pass up. These old satanists might have another blood sacrifice in the works.

Larry Silverstein owned bldg 7 of the WTC for years. He bought the two towers 5 weeks before they were destroyed. The Rockefellers and the Port Authority owned them from day 1, then Silverstein comes along, and they're destroyed. Well, he owns the Sears Tower in Chicago, too. Bought it a couple years ago. Him and a "group of shadowy investors." I mean if a serial killer has a "M.O.", wouldn't you think that would apply in this case? And the numerology angle...the zip code for the Sears tower is 60606. And Silverstein Properties phone number is 0666 (last four digits). Wouldn't surprise me at all if GW's telling us on June 7 that Osama left that suitcase nuke in Chicago.

Subject: RE: BS: Marvin Bush
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Jun 06 - 11:42 PM

Silverstein Properties
7 World Trade Center
250 Greenwich Street, 38th Fl.
New York, NY 10007
T 212 490 0666

Subject: RE: BS: Marvin Bush
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 12:08 AM

This land is their land
It is not our land
From the plush apartments
To the Hollywood star land
From the Wall Street office
To the Cadillac car land
This land is not for you and me.

from "The Bosses Song Book"

Art ;-
)

Subject: RE: BS: Marvin Bush
From: GUEST,Another guest
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 01:45 AM

The term 'New World Order" has been kicking around for about 100 years. It is not new.

'In 1913, prior to the passage of the Federal Reserve Act President Wilson's The New Freedom was published, in which he revealed:

"Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the U. S., in the field of commerce and manufacturing, are afraid of somebody, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it."'

The following link makes interesting reading--if you love this planet and its people:

New World Order

Subject: RE: BS: Marvin Bush
From: GUEST
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 03:02 PM

Good article. Thanks. Yeah the term's been around a while, but George HW Bush first used it publicly on 9-11-90. I should've been more clear on that. Like his Illuminatist 'thousand points of light' mumbo jumbo, he was careful with his allusions, and references to the new order were touchy. I mean, his family did business with Hitler's Nazi interests until 1951, so they have to be careful about such things.

Ebbie's points, one by one, because there are a few. She said:

There was money to be made. Numerous insurance policies were taken out in advance of the event by people "in the know".

Yes there was money to be made. Silverstein bought the towers and insured them heavily. There was also stock market insider trading regarding 9-11. Buzzy Krongard, # 3 at the CIA at the time is the most glaring culprit in this area....

Associated Press, 10/18/2001; San Francisco Chronicle 10/19/2001 -- "To the embarrassment of investigators, it has also [learned] that the firm used to buy many of the 'put' options ... on United Airlines stock was headed until 1998 by 'Buzzy' Krongard, now executive director of the CIA." Krongard was chairman of Alex Brown Inc., which was bought by Deutsche Bank. "His last post before resigning to take his senior role in the CIA was to head Bankers Trust—Alex Brown's private client business, dealing with the accounts and investments of wealthy customers around the world."

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/context.jsp?item=a090601putsshorts

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/12_06_01_death_profits_pt1.html

Krongard, by the way, retired a while back and said it was better if Osama bin Laden remain at large. No kidding. And I expect that'll become US govt policy by and by...that Osama be allowed to remain free because someone worse might replace him.

"You can make the argument that we're better off with him (at large)," Krongard said. "Because if something happens to bin Laden, you might find a lot of people vying for his position and demonstrating how macho they are by unleashing a stream of terror."

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2005/1/9/205501.shtml

Krongard should be just a stain on the electric chair by now, but he's sucking up a govt pension and saying it's a GOOD thing Osama is running around. (In "1984" all acts of terrorism were blamed on a single terrorist...and that's what Osama is...America's bogeyman).

As far as money to be made, there was some, but again, the people behind the event print the money and own everything, so money's only a smokescreen. Common folk like us can understand greed and theft more or less, and if these monsters are ever backed into a corner, they'll try to act like it was just greed that motivated them. But it's much more than that.

One other point on money and 9-11. The day after Bush announced a "War on Terror," his campaign received a huge contribution from Hartford Insurance Company. And they were just the first of many insurers to contribute. It was beneficial to the insurance companies to have a president declare a "War" on terrorism, because most property loss isn't covered against acts of war. Hartford now has supplemental "Terrorism Insurance." So, they get to create a new class of coverage and not have to pay off on acts of war. Pretty slick.

Subject: RE: BS: Marvin Bush
From: GUEST,Texas Guest
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 02:34 AM

http://www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?noframes;read=87932

Photo of one of the WTC core columns cut by thermite, used in demolition. Cutting at an angle is standard practice in demolition. If you placed the shaped cutting charge level around the column, it would shift to the side and shear off. The bldg could remain standing. So the cut is made at an angle.

The gray residue has apparently been analyzed by an independent lab now and is either thermite (aluminum and iron oxide), or thermate (same ingredients but with 2% sulphur added). I read that today and assume the paper will be on the web soon. metallurgical analaysis, the whole thing. Should be interesting.

The videos at ground level show large white clouds coming out of the bases of the bldgs just before they started to fall. Thermite produces white clouds (made white by the aluminum).

Look at that photo. The feds tried to collect all cameras and video cameras on the day, but thankfully some photos remain. And some of the debris for chemical analysis.

So, how did 19 men who couldn't even fly cessnas manage to pre-position thermite in the WTC bldgs and then out-maneuver NORAD for two hours before slamming 757s and 767s into their targets just as they detonated the thermite? Did they have the electronics to do that, in addition to their high-tech BOX CUTTERS?

Below is a photo of the cockpit of a 757:

http://static.flickr.com/48/126166299_e46a779b5c.jpg?v=0

The govt says Hani Hajour flew the plane into the pentagon. There is video floating around of his flight instructor saying he could barely handle a Cessna. Yet he is credited with flying a 757 at 530 mph, doing a 270 degree turn while dropping thousands of feet and skimming the ground on his perfect approach to the pentagon.

"on another topic - i watched the national geographic 9/11 documentary the other night. in regard to flight 77 - they suggested that hani hanjour (the hijacker pilot) had good piloting skills as the result of many years of training. this is a FALSE IMPRESSION. also, they suggested that flight 77 was flying all the while at 2,000 feet (essentially to avoid detection) and then began its descent - this another FALSE IMPRESSION. it is part of the official record that flight 77 performed a tight spiral descent dropping 7,000 feet in 2.5 minutes - at the end of that incredible pivot the plane was then at 2,000 feet and lined up with the pentagon at about 5 miles out.

folks - the national geographic people researched all of this information - they knew about the spiral descent and hanjour's poor piloting skills, yet they chose to present the information in a distorted way... WHY?"

http://www.flight77.info/

Marvin Bush had oversight of WTC security and security at Dulles. Their web of deceit is unravelling. While Dick Cheney sells off his holdings of dollars. Time is short before they drop the hammer, so you'd better get your ass in gear. 9-11 is the Achilles heel. Trials for treason and murder, now. No diversionary impeachment or censure or turning the congress over to the other head of the viper. Trials and executions.

TG