BS: McDonald's or Burger King

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Homeless
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 09:57 AM

Don Firth- if you want to learn about corporate procedures, read the book "The E-Myth Revisited." It basically says that if you want to have a successful business, you have to take ALL the decisions away from all the employees, and have EVERYTHING proceduralized and documented. That way you can hire the dumbest people to work for you. Ray Kroc, of McDonalds fame, pioneered the concept for the fast food industry. McDonalds has perfected it.

When I was a kid I was practically raised on McDonalds burgers. My dad had worked there as a teenager, and had some kind of weird loyalty to them. So as a kid, anytime we ate out it was always at McDonalds.
The last time I ate a sandwich there was over 25 years ago. I had just started high school and, with my parents having recently divorced, was starting to make decisions for myself. My girlfriend and I had gone inside to eat. I got a Quarter Pounder. Holding the sandwich in my left hand, in the time it took me to eat half of it, the grease (lard?) had run between my fingers, clear down to my elbow, and had congealed. I don't recall if I finished that burger or not, but it pretty much killed off my appetite for them, and I've not had one there since.

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 11:17 AM

Whatever 'spaw'....   I know I can stick to a topic... can you?

"LMAO"?
But you're all "A", so how do you know when to stop?

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: RangerSteve
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 01:20 PM

Hardee's has the best fast food burgers, they're not made until you order them. Taco Bell and Boston Market have the best non-burger food, and most diners have better burgers than the fast-food chains.

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 01:35 PM

Once again, your mileage may vary. In my local Burger King, I've never been handed a bad burger. I've had some really bad ones at various places, but never at Burger King. Watching that television show I talk about above reinforced my impression that, of the fast-food places, Burger King was the best. But maybe they don't all follow company policy.

It's not that I eat that many burgers. My wife and I are practically vegetarians, but every now and then we fall upon some helpless animal and rend it with our teeth and claws. So we're pretty picky about where we hunt our animals. I can recommend my local Burger King.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: C. Ham
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 01:47 PM

My wife and I are practically vegetarians, but every now and then we fall upon some helpless animal and rend it with our teeth and claws. So we're pretty picky about where we hunt our animals. I can recommend my local Burger King.

I'm a vegetarian too, except for the once (sometimes twice) a day I eat meat, chicken or fish.

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Homeless
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 02:12 PM

Don, I hadn't meant to imply that your BK made bad burgers, just that the procedualization was not limited to BK. It's just as easy to make a good product with procedures just it is a bad one. And vice-versa.

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 02:12 PM

My hamburger consumption is about five or six a year. Barbara and I eat vegetarian (not vegan) almost all the time, but when we have guests for dinner (average maybe once a month), we may have something like chicken or a pork roast. Barbara's a pretty creative cook (my specialty is peanut butter and jelly sandwiches) and often, even with guests, she'll whip up something meatless. Most carnivores don't even notice that it is meatless.

We're not fanatical about it, one way or the other.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 07:05 PM

Here in Aus, Maccas has started converting some of their outlets into "Mac-Cafe's".... serve salads, etc. They have been hit hard by the 'health craze' and sales actually were starting to fall for a while. Many 'Pizza Hut' dine in places (same Franchise owner here I think) have closed - mostly only Take Away Pizzas now.

Here in Aus (part of Asia as Little Johnny keeps rabbiting on) we have also been introduced to the delights of 'Sushi' - mainly vegetarian filled vinegared rice rolled in seaweed. That's getting to be very popular lunch time 'grab it' food here.

But then in Aus we have a VERY eclectic palate - 'British Trad', Greek, Italian, Chinese (Dim Sum very popular!), Vietnamese, Thai, Japanese, Indian, Spanish, Brazilian, Russian, Native Aussie (Bush Foods), and more other ethnic styles than I can remember - just about every National style food is here! - Oh, and Seafood is still very popular, so the big US chains don't quite get it all their own way here. Many good Top 'Real' Restaurants (this excludes US chain fast food places!) offer a range of 'Ethnic' styles, and many various 'blends' of same too. Most Aussies are far more knowledgeable about food that you might suspect - always trying out new styles of food.

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 07:50 PM

"Many 'Pizza Hut' dine in places have closed"

Good!

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: frogprince
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 08:52 PM

A&W was around decades before McDonalds, but somehow has never gotten their act together to hold a big market share; several locations have opened and closed near us in the last few years. But, besides some of the best root beer going, I have always found that they served a better burger than most of the chains.

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Don Firth
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 09:18 PM

Yeah, I recall A&W. Pretty good burgers. Great root beer!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: frogprince
Date: 04 Jun 06 - 09:28 PM

And if you smush some real good ice cream into that A&W root beer...

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Sandy Paton
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 12:01 AM

Wendy's has been serving pretty darned good salads for a long time. McDonald's is at the very bottom of the list for me.
    Hey, Don -- my very first job (age 11) was adjusting the seat heights for renters of water bicycles on Green Lake. No fast food joints around sixty-six years ago, and even if there had been, at $1 a day, I doubt that I could have afforded to eat at one of 'em.
    Sandy

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: catspaw49
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 01:33 AM

Hey Sandy......Mickey D is at the bottom of my list too, but they have a new Asian Chicken salad with Newman's Sesame-Ginger dressing that's tops!

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 04:37 AM

"I recall A&W. Great root beer!"

Oh please.... I LOVE good Root Beer, and A&W is the standard I hold EVERY SINGLE RB I try against....

""Well, at least it's not as bad as A&W"


Tasteless, bland, mass-produced crap!!!!

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 07:10 AM

Ah! Bundaberg Root Beer!

Made in the same town - but by different brewers - as Bundaberg Rum!

Be careful, lest ye utter fightin' words!

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: GUEST,Diogenes
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 12:27 PM

Clinton, do you ever smile? (Just curious)

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: GUEST,Dónde está la carne de vaca
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 02:10 PM

Well, this thread wasn't terribly helpful in deciding between McDonald's or Burger King.

So instead we hit the all you can eat buffet at Kentucky Fried Chicken. It was finger lickin' good.

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 02:22 PM

I smile a lot, "Diogenes"

Why? Jealous?

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: GUEST,Rufus
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 03:03 PM

Burger King and Mickey Dees ain't got no fired chicken so I vote for KFC.

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: frogprince
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 03:17 PM

You didn't bother me with this post, Clinton, but you confused me so much I'm really curious as to what was going on here:
"I recall A&W. Great root beer!"

Oh please.... I LOVE good Root Beer, and A&W is the standard I hold EVERY SINGLE RB I try against....

      That I get, and say a hearty "amen" to it.

""Well, at least it's not as bad as A&W"


Tasteless, bland, mass-produced crap!!!!

    But I've been looking all through the thread and can't spot who you were quoting there, so's to tell what that was about ???

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 03:31 PM

I was quoting MYSELF.... After trying just about ANY root-beer, I can at least say "Well, at least it's not as bad as A&W."

It'd have to be pretty bad Root Beer to be worse than A&W

I can see where that post wasn't as clear as it could have been, FP....

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: frogprince
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 03:35 PM

Well, each to his own...

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: M.Ted
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 03:36 PM

People eat more McDonald's than anything else--McDonald's kids meal come with a toy, and it seems that one third of the toys in the US now come from McDonalds. And it's not because the food is particularly tasty, or the toys are particularly fun. Bottom line, it is all bland--but it is easy, especially when one goes through the drive through--

One burger, even a big greasy one, isn't going to hurt you--but a regular diet of burgers is another thing again. My third grade teacher told us about the girl who would only eat a hamburger, fries, and a coke, and died of malnutrition. Forty years later, I can tell you that my teacher was wrong--the girl died of colon cancer--

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 03:47 PM

" One burger, even a big greasy one, isn't going to hurt you--"
Call every doctor or nutritritionist in your phone book and ask them what they think is a safe level of junk food to include in your diet... I suspect the vast majority of answers will be "none!"

Root Beer
I'll give it this FP.... A&W Root Beer is better than NO Root Beer!
:-)

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Don Firth
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 06:17 PM

A reasonably well prepared hamburger is not "junk food."

Think about it. Ground round (granted McDonald's mixes it half-and-half with wet cardboard), bread in the form of a bun, and the usual fixin's like lettuce, tomato, a little mayo (ingredients often found in salads), perhaps a bit of mustard and/or ketchup, and a pickle slice or two. Not junk food. Until people started assuming that hamburgers were junk food, nutritionists (sometimes a bit grudgingly) regarded the hamburger as a reasonably well-balanced meal.

That's a fact.

Now, if you let it sit in a warming oven until it renders out the fat that's in all meat and starts basting itself with it, then it turns into a piece of soggy, tasteless crap. But it's still not going to clog your veins any more that any comparable quantity of beef (in fact, the wet cardboard in a Big Mac should actually reduce that amount of fat). It's the super-size order of deep-fat fries that go with it, along with the milk shake that, if your other meals consist of a bowl of Froot-Loops or an Egg McMuffin in the morning and a pizza or a couple of Hot-Pockets, not to mention the two bags of Cheezy-Chips and the energy bar and the incessant stream of M&Ms from the vending machine and the pint of Ben and Jerry's to round out the day's food intake—day after day after day—that's eventually gonna have someone dialing 911 in your behalf as you lay there on the floor clutching your chest and gasping for breathe.

Eat a raw carrot now and then. But don't be a damned fanatic.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Don Firth
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 07:35 PM

Best root beer I've ever had was at a drive-in a few blocks from where I used to live in Seattle. It was out on Lake City Way just south of East 85th Street. It was called the "Triple X Drive-Inn" and as far as I know it was not part of a chain. It was one of these places where you could "eat in" (they had a counter and booths) or "dine in your car." Park, flash your headlights, and a car-hop (usually a teen-age girl in a uniform) would take your order, then bring it out on a tray, ask you to roll your window up a few inches, then hook the tray on the window and set a prop against the car door. General fare of hamburgers, fries, shakes, various other kinds of sandwiches, hot dogs, and such. Coffee or tea–or their own brand of root beer, which they had on tap. Big, pint-sized mugs. Great stuff!

The roof of the place looked like the top of a huge barrel, maybe thirty feet in diameter, with a "XXX" on the side. No relation to porn movie ratings. The hamburgers were good, and definitely a meal, and the root beer was superb. People used to come to the place from all over town for a mug of their root beer. This was in the Forties, Fifties, and Sixties. The sudden influx of 19¢ hamburger joints, McDonald's, and other places like that pretty much ran them out of business. People without taste buds went to these new places rather than the Triple X. The Triple X had 'em beat by far for quality, but they couldn't compete with the prices–not that they were all that expensive.

A&W wasn't quit up to XXX root beer, but it was darned good. In most of the A&W drive-ins I went to, there, too, it was on tap. Maybe we were (are) just lucky out here in this neck of the woods. Triple X was good, A&W was good, and Burger King is good. I've eaten a helluva lot of hamburges and I've quaffed a helluva lot of root beer, so I'm not exactly without experience in these matters.

I do eat a raw carrot now and then. But I'm obviously no fanatic about it. .

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 08:15 PM

"A reasonably well prepared hamburger is not "junk food.""

True... but yer not gonna find a reasonable well prepared burger at ANY "Fast food joint"....

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 08:28 PM

Well, they are as reasonable and well prepared as the bean counters permit...

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 08:44 PM

Bon appetit!

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: GUEST,Rufus
Date: 05 Jun 06 - 09:27 PM

The preacher was talking to these three little kids one day tryin to stoke up their religous beliefs. He asked them what was the two best things in the world.

The first one said "God and you reverend". The second ond said "the Bible and Jesus father". The third one said "you guys must not know nothin about pussy and watermellon".

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 02:11 PM

I've never been even CLOSE to being what anyone could call a 'chain smoker'

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: M.Ted
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 03:27 PM

Don, Clinton speaks with the admirable certitude--but nothing else. Red meat isn't junk food, for one thing. For another, nutritionists tend to suggest a varied diet, that includes a little of a lot of things, including meat, including saturated fats--some even suggest a little drinking is good--None, a least that I have even heard of, suggest a even little smoking, though--

I suspect that Clinton dislikes burgers because he gets catsup,mustard, and bits of bread crumb in his beard when he eats them.

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 03:30 PM

"Red meat isn't junk food"
I never said it was, did I?

"in his beard when he eats them"
I don't have a beard.....

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Scoville
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 03:40 PM

Whataburger.

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Don Firth
Date: 06 Jun 06 - 04:46 PM

It's not exactly as if I am perpetually mowing my way through a field of hamburgers on a daily basis. Halfway decent hamburgers are hard come by these days. Most restaurants have gone to specialty or ethnic foods. There are Thai restaurants all over the place, and within walking distance of where I live, there are a number of Chinese restaurants (not the old-style chop suey and chow mein joints, but Mandarin, Cantonese, etc. Greek, Russian, Ethiopian, Vietnamese, Mexican (not counting the Taco Bell four blocks from here), a couple of Italian restaurants (not counting pizza joints everywhere). A couple of bar-and-grill type places. A couple of seafood restaurants (I'm particularly partial to seafood), health food restaurants and a juice bar, two Subways and a couple of delis. I am surrounded by food.

But I don't know of any place nearby where I could walk in and order anything resembling what used to be a standard, medium-priced, very American restaurant meal, say a small salad, entrée of chicken-fried steak, mashed potatoes, vegetable, and roll, followed by pie à la mode.

These days, if you hunger for a hamburger in this neck of the woods, you can go to Kidd Valley. I don't know if they're a national chain, but there are several of them around Seattle—very good burgers, but not exactly cheap. Another would be Red Robin Gourmet Burgers. Eleventy-fourteen different varieties, but also a bit pricey.

But I could head down to my local Burger King and get a damned good hamburger (I usually order the Whopper Junior with cheese—fresh and tasty) for a buck and a half. Unfortunately, I just got the news that the Burger King I usually go to has closed its doors. There are others in Seattle, but not nearby. Damn!!

That leaves me with Dick's Drive-In (not bad, but not as good as Burger King) or Jack-in-the-Box. Jack-With-the-Styrofoam-Head's burgers are pretty good, but they're tending to escalate in price. One thing they do have going for them is that after the E coli brouhaha of ten or twelve years ago, Jack-in-the-Box's burgers are scrupulously clean and well-prepared. They don't want a repetition of that.

I really wish there were a decent fish-and-chips place nearby. . . .

We're not unacquainted with the food pyramid, and our food intake is pretty healthy. Barbara's a genius with rice, beans, mixed veggies, pasta. Last night for dinner we had a humongous big salad with sourdough bread (the kind where you slice the loaf yourself).

Don Firth
(Jeez! It's past lunchtime here!)

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 07:33 AM

All these attempts to wean me off junk food has resulted in nothing but a craving for a Sausage Egg McMuffin.. but as it's gone 10.30am here, I'm not likely to get one.

Guess I'll just go have a mushroom sandwich.

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Homeless
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 10:37 AM

A reasonably well prepared hamburger is not "junk food."

Think about it. Ground round (granted McDonald's mixes it half-and-half with wet cardboard), bread in the form of a bun, and the usual fixin's like lettuce, tomato, a little mayo (ingredients often found in salads), perhaps a bit of mustard and/or ketchup, and a pickle slice or two. Not junk food.

Most nutritionists I know of who remain current say that red meat should be avoided. No more than 1 serving (4 ounces) per week. The protein you get from meat should come from leaner sources - primarily fish or shellfish, then fowl.
White bread, which includes all fast food hamburger buns I've seen, is also frowned upon. Grain should come from whole grains, or at the very least whole grain bread. Processed flour has most of the nutritional value stripped from it.
Mayo, mustard, and ketchup frequently are overly sugared.
Pickles are exceedingly high in sodium.
Too much fat, sugar, and salt. High calorie, low nutritional value. How is this not junk food?

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 10:47 AM

"Most restaurants have gone to specialty or ethnic foods."
We're not talking about restaurants here are we, we're talking about Junk/fast food....   I'm sure you know the difference Don..... Burger King is NOT a restaurant, and what they serve is NOT 'Fresh' (Tasty is too subjective....)

"Clinton dislikes burgers"
And where exactly did I say that?!?! Stop projecting your agenda....

"How is this not junk food?"
One is often better off eating the wrappers, bags and paper cups the 'food' comes in rather than the food itself!

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Don Firth
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 02:51 PM

Clinton, your local Burger King may serve crap, but the one that was in my neighborhood served a damned good burger. I can't speak for all of them.

Neither can you.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 02:56 PM

Bullshit Don... Your Burger King got sent the exact same over processed, frozen crap to serve as every other Burger King... That's the fast food modle for you...

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Don Firth
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 03:10 PM

I'm not going to argue the point, Clinton. It's not worth my time and energy.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 03:22 PM

There is no arguing... cause to put it simply, you're wrong.... Anybody who has half a clue about fast food chains will tell you that....

Never seen a big refrigerated truck pull up to the back of a Burger King or a McDonalds, or a Wendy's and off load box after box of frozen, over processed 'food'? (The mostly do it late at night so that people don't wonder why the ingredients on the side of the 'burger' box, is exactly the same as what's listed on the side of the box that the paper hats come in)

Or do you think that perhaps, in the basement every Burger King is getting fresh sides of organic beef delivered that they butcher and grind themselves???? And I suppose that someone is down there running the mill-wheel to grund the flour to make the 'buns' right?!?!?!

I KNOW you're smarter than that Don....

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Don Firth
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 03:57 PM

Look, Clinton, I know perfectly well that fast food burgers are highly processed and if one tried to survive on them, he'd be courting cardiac arrest. The question that started this thread is, essentially, of the two, which is better, McDonald's or Burger King? So I offered an opinion and I'll stand by it. Of the two, a Whopper will beat a Big Mac every time and every way.

This is not a Holy Crusade. Don't get so emotionally involved. That can lead to cardiac arrest also.

(As can smoking, which I gave up 28 years ago.)

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: catspaw49
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 04:17 PM

Besides CH, you need to stay on topic as you say........This thread is about which you prefer, McD or BK and you said neither...they both suck...and I would agree. But Don likes BK. Fine......This thread is NOT about the merits or lack thereof of fast food.....YOU made it that. The pizza thread is about what you like on pizza. I notice no one has brought up the amounts of mercury in tuna have they?

HAHAHAHAHAHA.......Ah Clinton.....You love to argue. How about a thread on which you prefer, written or oral?

Spaw

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 04:39 PM

"So I offered an opinion and I'll stand by it."

Holy back-peddle Batman.....

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Don Firth
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 04:44 PM

SHEESH!!

Okay, you can have the last word if that's what you want. Fine by me.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 04:46 PM

Maybe you should try a bran muffin, Don...

Or take your own advice and "Don't get so emotionally involved."

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 04:46 PM

While we're taking this ALL SOO SERIOUS...

100

Subject: RE: BS: McDonald's or Burger King
From: Don Firth
Date: 07 Jun 06 - 04:58 PM

Congratulations!

Don Firth