BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST,Larry K
Date: 15 Jun 06 - 12:24 PM

Bill O'Reilly often says that you can't defend bad behavior with other bad behavior.    I disagree.    I think if you put the hate rhetoric of the left against the hate rhethoric of the right the left would dominate.   

Let's compare Coulters comments against Air American says that Bush is a bigger terrorist than Al Zarqawi.   Let's compare democrats saying they hoped Bush died when he choked on a pretzel or that Clarence Thomas should eat lots of bacon and have a heart attack against when Bill clinton had a heart attack.   I dare anyone to name one prominant republican who wished Clinton to die.   For the record- Hannity, Limbaugh and other talk show hosts were very kind to Clinton and only wished him a speedy recovery- don't try to BS me.   I am happy to go mano a mano with any hate speech from democrats.

Someone asked what the point was of listing that Ann has sold over 1 million political books and campared that against romance novels.   The point was the word political.   Lots of people buy trashy romance novels.    More power to the authors who write them.   There are very few political writers who have sold more than a million books and even fewer who have sold 2 million.    That means that Ann is connecting with a huge number of people.   Her last books which was only a collection of previous essays sold over 300,000 copies.   

As far as looks, I know that many of you go for the strong masculine woman such as Madalaine Albright or Janice Reno or Hillary, but I'll take Ann, or Laura, or Kelly Anne any day.   I know I am in the minority, but I prefer woman to look like woman.   But hey, if Madalaine Albright or Janet Reno turn you on, more power to you.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jun 06 - 12:26 PM

She looks ugly. Eyes, face.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Scoville
Date: 15 Jun 06 - 12:35 PM

Ron--Yay! Somebody else who didn't like Ayn Rand! I thought I was all alone.



I'm lost--why are we even talking about whether or not Ann Coulter is ugly? What does that have to do with anything?

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST,Larry K
Date: 15 Jun 06 - 01:20 PM

# 1 New York Times Best Seller.    This is her 5th straight book as number one best seller on the New York Times list.

Is there a liberal auther who has 5 straight number one best sellers on the new york times list?

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Peace
Date: 15 Jun 06 - 01:25 PM

As was said above, a book becoming a best seller reflects the public that buys the book, not necessarily the quality of the book. Lots of people voted for Bush. It says little about Bush.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Scoville
Date: 15 Jun 06 - 01:30 PM

I assume that this is the public at large, not the public who reads the New York Times, in which case they would be just reporting a statistic and not necessarily representing their own reader base.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Don Firth
Date: 15 Jun 06 - 07:59 PM

As I recall, The Da Vinci Code also rode high on the New York Times best seller list. But at least The Da Vinci Code was honest enough to be labeled as fiction, even though some folks didn't take it that way.

Yeah, being No. 1 on the New York Times best seller list is certainly a guarantee of high quality reading. Yup. It sure is!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Little Hawk
Date: 15 Jun 06 - 08:11 PM

Are you sure you didn't mean a "librle" auther (sic), Larry K?

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: dianavan
Date: 15 Jun 06 - 08:30 PM

Book sales do not indicate the politics of the people reading her stuff. I know people who read what Coulter says just so they know what they are up against.

Know your enemy!

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST,TSLIM
Date: 16 Jun 06 - 11:04 AM

To Don Firth

>> But at least The Da Vinci Code was honest enough to be labeled as fiction

Honest enough? Of course Da Vinci code is a fictitious novel(with disputable facts).

Godless is a... political commentary. Since when did a political commentary book become fiction?

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Peace
Date: 16 Jun 06 - 11:10 AM

'fictitious novel'

All novels--by definition--are fiction.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Don Firth
Date: 16 Jun 06 - 01:05 PM

It depends on the so-called "facts" the author of the political commentary draws on--or invents--as the basis for their commentary. The idea that the war widows AC is so contemptious of are enjoying the death of their husbands is a product of AC's sick imagination and her attempt to make her point, no matter how nasty--and libelous--she has to be. Fiction.   

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 16 Jun 06 - 03:31 PM

Hey Larry K who said "I dare anyone to name one prominant republican who wished Clinton to die.   For the record- Hannity, Limbaugh and other talk show hosts were very kind to Clinton and ***only wished him a speedy recovery*** - don't try to BS me."

***emphasis mine***

Kinda missed these didn't ya? Now how 'bout you don't try to BS us.


LIMBAUGH: "I understand it was gonna be a triple bypass, but then Clinton figured out his sympathy rating would go up to 87 percent with a quadruple."

SAVAGE: "We heard, of course, that hell was full and therefore Mr. Clinton will be with us for a while longer...So what, I'm supposed to sit here because he's a former president and go, "We wish him well" -- why? Why? Tell me why. Tell me why. Anyone got an answer to that one?"

SIMONE: "Bill Clinton had his operation today. He's fine. Everything went well. It was routine. Doctors say he'll be in the hospital for the rest of the week, and it looks like there's no way he'll be able to campaign for at least four weeks and probably a little longer, remember there's only seven, eight weeks left. So four, five weeks from now he'll be able to, you know, get out of the house and start doing stuff, but he won't be to really get back into action, so, and you know that Clinton, both Bill and Hillary Clinton, have to make sure John Kerry loses. They don't want this guy to win. If Kerry wins, it screws up Hillary's plans for '08. She wouldn't be able to run until 2012, so they want him to lose, and if you go back and study the campaign, there were a few moments here and there where Bill or Hillary did something to mess up John Kerry. There's a few of these episodes. And I'm not saying they staged the heart problem, but it just works out perfectly that now they don't have to do anything for him [Kerry] for at least a month..."

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ebbie
Date: 16 Jun 06 - 03:41 PM

Oh, but Tia, there was love and compassion in their hearts...

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ron Davies
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 08:46 AM

Ron O--

"Ignore her"--it's a reasonable interpretation that you are telling Mudcatters to ignore her-- i.e.   stop talking about her.

It is a bit disingenuous to say we had no dispute--especially based on your rather pointed PM to me.

Also, perhaps you don't know what moral relativism is--nothing to do with Ayn Rand--
that's "objectivism" as I recall--which is a wretched way to live.

Moral relativism, as I understand it, is saying that we should not complain about what one individual does, since other individuals are not perfect. To pick a purely theoretical example, "We are all Martin Gibsons"--or recently, that Ann Coulter's behavior is roughly equivalent to that of Abbie Hoffman--which seemed to be what you were implying.

It should be obvious to you that both these statements are obnoxious drivel.

Since "Martin"s departure, how many people, seeking advice on Mudcat, have been told their problems are their own fault? (admittedly, CH does sometimes carry on the tradition). How many times have impossible sex acts been suggested in answer to a question? How many times has Pete Seeger been vilified for supporting a particular cause? How many times has somebody been told they are not a "real Christian" or "real Jew" since they have a political view that differs with that of the poster? How many times has somebody been mocked for a physical problem?

This is why "Martin" should have been removed. I have no idea why it wasn't done years ago--but your sort of attitude--liberal guilt gone completely bonkers?-- is perhaps one of the reasons. "We are all Martin Gibsons" was colossally wrong--and unhelpful--when you said it. That's why your linking of Abbie Hoffman and Ann Coulter was a red flag--to me it sounded like more moral relativism.

As I said, best we end the dispute right here.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ron Davies
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 08:49 AM

Obviously there are other reasons "Martin" should have been removed, but there's no point to enumerating each one. I'm sure you understand.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 09:28 AM

Ron - it is obvious that you have established notions and you will look to find a link in anything I say that justifies your opinion. I never told Mudcatters to stop complaining, I never suggested that Ayn Rand was preaching moral relativism (admittedly I brought her name up as another philosophy that I abhor because it of the way it approaches absolutes - which you appear to be doing), and I did not say that Ann Coutlers BEHAVIOR was equivalent to Abbie Hoffmans (they used the same tools - agitprop - but as I stated earlier with different messages.)

When I said "we are all Martin Gibsons" I was referring to the behavior that you have been showing me and others in these forums. You choose to attack the person, won't listen to reason, and refuse to have a civil discussion. I've never asked you or anyone else to agere with me. You choose to slap down me and ignore a discussion of opinion. You are chasing people away just as Martin did.

You can slap whatever label you wish on my thoughts if you have a need to compartmentalize thinking the way you do. When I brought up Ayn Rand I was referring to her black & white take on everything. You seem to have the same issues. If person X does something wrong, there can be no discussion that explores the root of the problem. Comfortable conservatism perhaps?

I have tried to keep away from these BS forums for the very reasons that you have shown. It appears that you wish to monopolize the way all of us think.   Have yourself a real good time.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ron Davies
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 09:44 AM

Ron O--

There's a huge difference between the way "Martin" behaved and carrying on a debate--even agressively.   You should be able to recognize that in political discussions, which this is, people have strong opinions--it's even possible that I am not the only one to have strong opinions. You did not help Mudcat a bit in making excuses for "Martin". We are not "all Martin Gibsons"--and never were. If you don't recognize that, there's no help for you.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ron Davies
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 10:06 AM

Ron O--

The ironic thing, of course, is that both of us recognize that Ann Coulter's behavior, the subject of the thread, is despicable. I've invited you twice just to drop our dispute right now--but you have not accepted the invitation. Again, it's time to drop it.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 10:13 AM

Of course there is HUGE difference, but you would not recognize that I acknowledge that. You are completely wrong when you say that I made excuses for Martin. Dead wrong. I pointed out that others exhibited the same behavior patterns that he did. Being a sexist, racist isn't the only way to be an ass. What you and others have shown is that is okay to behave in an obnoxious way until you cross a certain line. My arguement is that the "line" is not justification of the behavior period. This is not "moral relativism", this is reason.   You refuse to comprehend what I was saying when I made that remark Martin Gibson, yet you continue to exhibit exactly the tendancies that I was trying to explain.

I apologize to everyone else for wasting time with this discussion. I'm not sorry to see Martin gone, for the most part the conversations are civil, but I am still not sure I like the new country club. Same problems, different faces?

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ron Davies
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 05:10 PM

Well, Ron O, as I recall, you weren't exactly helpful in dealing with "Martin". So sorry you don't think things have improved since his departure.   I venture to say you are in a minority there.

Just consider the list I made of delightful habits he had--which we no longer see.

But political discussions are not always love-fests--sorry to break it to you--nor are they likely to be in the near future.

However, even the music threads have improved, in my view--that is after all where the late lamented "Martin" made his attack on Pete Seeger--and informed everyone in no uncertain terms that no guitars but Martin and Gibson existed--and that they couldn't possibly be musicians if they thought differently.

But this might possibly be thread creep. Why don't we just let it go?-- both of us strongly
oppose dear Ann, and that's what it's all about.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Big Mick
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 06:30 PM

The last word goes to .........

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST,Ann the Vamp Coulter
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 06:34 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST,Alice
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 07:12 PM

I agree with Ann. They are making it on the back of death. Saw George Best's ex on European television on Wednesday, you could just about see her through the thick make up and head full of bleach. She re launched her book about her love for George after his death.
Grieving widows my ass.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ron Davies
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 07:23 PM

Was George Best killed on 9-11? If not, your comment, Alice, is totally meaningless as regards Ann Coulter. It would be good if you would read about the topic before sounding off.

Awaiting your answer as to in which of the Twin Towers George Best was killed.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST,Alice
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 07:54 PM

9/11 Grieving widows my ass Ron. Happy now ?

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ron Davies
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 07:58 PM

Typical Bushite--never important to put brain in gear before mouth. Heaven forbid you'd actually find out about a subject before favoring us with your wisdom. Or are you perhaps Doug R incognito? Somehow I don't think "Alice" is female.

Have a good evening. I have better things to do than waste time on you.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 10:09 PM

I believe there was a character in the comic strip "Popeye" called "Alice the Goon."

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 10:12 PM

Sopranos, what are you going to do?

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 10:15 PM

Voici.   (Action figure)

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: frogprince
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 10:34 PM

From that last link: "Alice the Goon stands 6" tall and includes Sweat Pea."

Shouldn't that be "Sweat Pee" ?

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ebbie
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 10:58 PM

Pee, they say, is sterile. And in this case that is a good thing.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Peace
Date: 17 Jun 06 - 11:33 PM

"Urine: Liquid waste. The urine is a clear, transparent fluid. It normally has an amber color. The average amount of urine excreted in 24 hours is from 40 to 60 ounces (about 1,200 cubic centimeters). Chemically, the urine is mainly an aqueous (watery) solution of salt (sodium chloride) and substances called urea and uric acid. Normally, it contains about 960 parts of water to 40 parts of solid matter. Abnormally, it may contain sugar (in diabetes), albumen (a protein) (as in some forms of kidney disease), bile pigments (as in jaundice), or abnormal quantities of one or another of its normal components."

Imagine someone with a very bad case of gonorrhea . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: WFDU - Ron Olesko
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 01:06 AM

It isn't worth it. This is far from a political discussion. Bye!

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ebbie
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 02:34 AM

Ron O, how much more of a political discussion do you think Coulter deserves?

Peace, I've only heard that, never tried it. I suppose that if you were dying of thirst you could drink it - if your body is healthy. *G*

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Don Firth
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 01:07 PM

From Ann Coulter to comic strip characters to urine.

Works for me. . . .

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 01:11 PM

Logical progression.

Urine is not good to drink because of the acids and waste in it. The 'sterile' connotation comes from its use on bad acne years ago. It does have a 'drying' property to it.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Amos
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 03:57 PM

In extreme emergencies you can recycle urine, but there is a limit -- I think it is two times...before the ingestion becomes too toxic to be processed.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 04:42 PM

Tribe in north central South America ingests a herb or tree bark (can't remember. It may be something else) then drink their own urine for its psychadelic properties.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 04:44 PM

There's a tradition in Ayurvedic medicine for drinking (some of) one's own urine (for therapeutic purposes), but only when it's fresh!

Yeah, I'm serious.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Peace
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 04:50 PM

Well, there is likely a fortune to be made here with grants from the Feds. We wish to do a study to determine what 'taking the piss' REALLY means. Therefore, we submit the following proposal . . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Alice
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 05:09 PM

Hey, all, just noticed a guest calling himself/herself Alice.
It's not me.
Alice (Mudcat member since 1997 who doesn't agree with Ann Coulter)

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 05:14 PM

Nobody would mistake you for her, Alice.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ebbie
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 05:30 PM

I agree with Guest. I seriously doubt that anyone here thought it was you, Alice!

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ron Davies
Date: 18 Jun 06 - 09:44 PM

Don't worry, Alice, nobody thought it was you. I'm convinced it's a guy who just decided to take the name Alice to stir the pot a bit. It was after all "Guest, Alice" when Mudcat wasn't down.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Jun 06 - 01:34 AM

Not to worry. No way could GUEST,Alice ("Alice the Goon") be mistaken for the real Alice.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Dickey
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 12:02 PM

Ann Coulter at her book signing

Cindy Sheehan at her book signing

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Amos
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 01:32 PM

Scuzzball.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Peace
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 01:34 PM

Why use nice words? He's an asshole. Period.

Subject: RE: BS: Ann Coulter scrapes bottom
From: Ron Davies
Date: 18 Mar 07 - 01:41 PM

He can't help it. He's just a Bushie. You must lower your expectations.