BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache

Subject: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: dianavan
Date: 08 Jul 06 - 08:28 PM

...and good on 'em.

http://winnipegsun.com/News/Winnipeg/2006/07/08/1674066-sun.html

The Mounties, "also recovered more than 100 machine-guns, assault rifles, handguns and silencers worth more than $300,000 on the black market."

I'm glad they're focussed on criminals rather than terrorists.

Hmmm. Makes you wonder if they were Middle Eastern immigrants, what they would have been charged with.

My guess is that there are far more gang related crimes than terrorist related activities and that is exactly where we should be focussing the resources of our law enforcement.

Nice to know those weapons are off the streets.

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: open mike
Date: 08 Jul 06 - 11:09 PM

how do you know they were not terrorists of one sort?
(criminal vs terrorist)
sounds like the making of terror by the sound of what they found.

do you mean that the perpertrators were from within the borders
of the country rather than from outside? (in this case Canada)

crime is terrible
and terror is criminal...

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: Amos
Date: 08 Jul 06 - 11:17 PM

Excerpt:

Two men arrested just outside Winnipeg last winter with 27 machine-guns in their vehicle are allegedly part of a huge B.C.-based gun and drug trafficking ring connected to organized crime.

B.C. Mounties announced yesterday that -- with the help of several other police forces, the Canadian military and American federal agents -- they have arrested 10 people, seized more than 85 pounds of marijuana, as well as substantial amounts of cocaine, ecstasy and prescription drugs.

They've also recovered more than 100 machine-guns, assault rifles, handguns and silencers worth more than $300,000 on the black market.

"These guns were all going to end up in the hands of organized criminals involved in the drug trade," said B.C. RCMP Cpl. Tom Seaman, who noted there has been no direct link made between the alleged trafficking ring and "traditional" organized crime groups like bikers or the mafia.

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: Peace
Date: 08 Jul 06 - 11:29 PM

Story here.

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: Peace
Date: 08 Jul 06 - 11:43 PM

Two different stories with the same theme. Some high-end stuff out there.

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: dianavan
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 12:24 AM

open mike - I think the arrests were all made in Canada but that the weapons were smuggled in from the U.S.

This scenario has me thinking. If we were to target the arms trade (legal and illegal) we would not have so many terrorists or criminals. Seems to me that the ability to carry out assault with a deadly weapon would be severely curtailed.

Lets face it. Most weapons (including bombs and missles) are bought and sold. Arms dealers are making huge sums of money from the misery of others. Why isn't this market scrutinized more closely?

Hats off to the RCMP for busting these people. For once, it seems, they have their priorities straight. I would much rather see my tax dollars going to end this type of crime than busting "mom and pop grow-ops" or arresting people for the medical use of marijuana.

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: number 6
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 05:06 AM

"Why isn't this market scrutinized more closely? "

Well dianavan ... you answered this question already in your post .."Arms dealers are making huge sums of money" ... a portion of this huge sum of money is used to pay off the ones who have the power to scrutunize. As revolting as it is .... and unfortunately, there are people in power who have no morals and capitalize on this kind of business.

I had a very interesting conversation a while ago with a retired RCMP officer (of a very high rank) ... he had some disturbing things to say why big drug lords (not the mom and pop shops)get away ... it's basically a hopeless situation .... money can buy you virtually anything.

sIx

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: gnu
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 05:34 AM

sIx... a former high ranking member of the Royal Canadian Mounted? Does he have a dog named Cuddles?

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 05:49 AM

If I was RCMP Cpl Thomas Seaman, I might just consider changing my name!
Nice to see those guns off the street though.
G.

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: GUEST,Bruce O
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 07:19 AM

So the boring Canadians under a mountie by the name of Semen ! are now boasting about having "Huge Weapons". I suppose something has to get them in the news. Answer their government better if the sent realistic troop numbers to join our guys in Iraq.

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 07:48 AM

Why should the Canadians support GWBs mistaken adventure in Iraq?
I still want to know why we [the UK] are there.
G

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 09:50 AM

"seized more than 85 pounds of marijuana, as well as substantial amounts of cocaine, ecstasy and prescription drugs"

And do you know what that's done for the street price and availability?

Abs-FKNG-lootely nothing..... Everybody who wanted to get stoned last night, got stoned.

"why big drug lords get away ... it's basically a hopeless situation"
Legalize it, regulate it and tax the hell outa it.... poof.... drug-lords gone....

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: dianavan
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 01:56 PM

Bruce O - Canadian troops are already doing your dirty work in Afghanistan. We'll probably have to go into Iraq and help clean up the mess after the U.S. leaves, too. Seems thats the way it goes. The U.S. creates the problem and then we have to fix it.

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: Ernest
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 02:26 PM

Clinton: after the poof the drug lords would not be gone. They woould still be rich, because you couldn`t "tax the hell outa it". If drugs would be legal any tax significantly higher than taxes on alcohol and tobacco would be considered discriminating by the courts.

Dianavan: Do you remember the word "Taliban"?

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: Metchosin
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 03:31 PM

Ernest, Canada already taxes the hell out of alcohol and particularly tobacco. A tax on marijuana at the same rate as tobacco could produce significant government revenues; no need for a different rate.

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: Ernest
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 03:36 PM

Metchosin, but how many breweries etc. / cigarette producers etc. went out of business because of those taxes?

I think there are still more than enough of both.

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 04:00 PM

D'uh.. that's the difference.... There would be no more exploitive, abusive Drug Lords.... there would be sucessful, regulated and taxed business....

The first is bad

The 2nd, we cannot do without

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: Metchosin
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 04:04 PM

I'm sure the Bronfman's would agree Clinton. LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: Peace
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 04:08 PM

Bruce O: poor memory? Let me refresh it for you. Canada refused to join the "Coalition of the Willing" because this country preferred to be part of a UN-sanctioned operation (as we were in the Gulf War). Besides, you have the military to do the job, so do it and quit whining about it all. Your snot-nosed comment about my country is just that. Bugger off.

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 04:18 PM

What's a "Bronfman"?

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: Peace
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 04:29 PM

Think Seagram's.

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: Metchosin
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 05:15 PM

Sam Bronfman knew how to turn a buck or billions eventually, Clinton, especially when it it came to an illegal product and a willing US population. Today's drug lords are mere amatures by comparison.

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: GUEST,Bruce O
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 05:30 PM

Ad in U.S. military times. For sale, Canadian submarine. Three reverse gears and one forward, in case the enemy attack from the rear !

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: Peace
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 05:44 PM

"Transcript of an actual radio conversation of a U.S. naval ship with Canadian authorities off the coast of Newfoundland in October, 1995.

Americans: Please divert your course 15 degrees to the North to avoid a collision.

Canadians: Recommend you divert YOUR course 15 degrees to the South to avoid a collision.

Americans: This is the Captain of a U.S. Navy ship. I say again, divert your course.

Canadians: No. I say again, you divert your course.

Americans: This is the aircraft carrier USS Lincoln, the second largest ship in the United States' Atlantic fleet! We are accompanied by three destroyers, three cruisers, and numerous support vessels. I demand that you change your course fifteen degrees north, that's one-five degrees north, or counter-measures will be undertaken to ensure the safety of this ship!

Canadians: We are a lighthouse. Your call."

Choke on it, Yank.

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: Metchosin
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 05:49 PM

Touché. LOL

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: Peace
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 06:01 PM

It's not a true story, but when some piece of shite slags Canada when it doesn't deserve it, he can then kiss my ass. The real beginning of the term Canadian.

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: Peace
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 06:01 PM

The Yanks have little to tell us about war and what it means.

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: Peace
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 06:04 PM

Especially Yanks like him!

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 06:11 PM

"Sam Bronfman knew how to turn a buck..."
So he's a case-in-point

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: Peace
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 06:14 PM

Tell him to turn this one . . . .

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: GUEST,Bruce O
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 06:14 PM

A credit to the word Peace here folks. This is what peace means up in Bear woods.

Wannabe Americans. Go take your pledge to your Queen.

Such nasty people up there.

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: Peace
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 06:15 PM

You don't know the half of it. Piss off.

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: pdq
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 06:37 PM

GUEST, Bruce O

If you sign up as a member, much uglyness can be avoided by PM. Hint, hint. See FAQ for sign-up method.

BTW, you cannot use "Bruce O" since he was one of Mudcat's most respected members. A true folk music historian:


Subject: RE: Mudcat is a bit of a mess right now
From: Bruce O #2
Date: 01 Oct 01 - 07:50 PM

Too true, my friend
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Bruce Olson, a member of the Folklore Society of Greater Washington, has used the name "Bruce O" at Mudcat for several years. I contacted Bruce, and he said he's not the Bruce who posted this message as "Bruce 0" - since the name is so close to the name of a known personality here, it could be misleading. I have asked "Bruce 0" to select another name.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: Metchosin
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 06:40 PM

Yup we're a boring, damned nasty bunch. LOL Just couldn't resist a gratuitous couple of kindly, sweetness and light posts to this thread, eh BruceO?

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: dianavan
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 07:02 PM

Peace, re: your joke of 09 Jul 06 - 05:44 PM.

That is perfect. It actually sums it up quite nicely. A perfect Canadian joke.

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: Peace
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 07:04 PM

It has many variants on the www. I have heard it soo many ways. Sorry to take this thread off its course. I guess I get a bit Nationalistic when people slag Canada when it doesn't deserve it. This lunatic has been a troll for years. I shopuld know better. BUT, I don't.

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: Peace
Date: 09 Jul 06 - 07:20 PM

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: kendall
Date: 10 Jul 06 - 07:58 AM

Personal attacks are frowned on here.

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: kendall
Date: 10 Jul 06 - 08:02 AM

I also get pissed when someone shits on Canada, but watch the name calling. Your argument loses something when you start that.

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: kendall
Date: 10 Jul 06 - 08:05 AM

Sorry Peace, but that story about the ship and the lighthouse goes way back before ww 2.
By the way, it never happened, but it's a good story anyway.

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 10 Jul 06 - 09:33 AM

Peace, don't feed it. You are talking to the expert on receiving insults to ones country here !

Bottom line is lives have been saved through their actions over there.
Well done boys.

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 10 Jul 06 - 09:38 AM

" lives have been saved through their actions"
By finding a bunch of guns in Winnipeg? Ya... right.....

Nobody who wanted an illegal handgun last night in Winnipeg had any trouble finding one....

"insults to ones country"
Get over it... everyone is from somewhere.... It's most often just an accident of birth

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: Metchosin
Date: 10 Jul 06 - 11:24 AM

I would think that almost anybody who had any criminal intent in Winnipeg had little trouble last night.

Last year, when my daughter's band was on tour, they stayed in one of Winnipeg's "finer" hotels one night, only to have the side window of their van smashed in under the "watchful" eye of the hotel's camera in the parking area.

Fortunately, athough someone bled profusely inside the van, nothing of any particular value was nicked, as their band equipment was under a plywood cover and only accessible by crowbar through the rear doors, if one didn't know the trick of opening their faulty rear latch. To their credit, the hotel did supply them with a cloth to mop up the blood.

They don't care much for Winnipeg.

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: Rapparee
Date: 10 Jul 06 - 01:02 PM

I understand that whores don't care much for Winnepeg either. Three of 'em came down here.

Nobody outside the military and, possibly, the police need machine guns and such weapons. (And if you're concerned about an invasion or actions by your own government you should learn how to obtain a machine gun or anything else from those who have 'em.)

It's not anti-American to be pro-Canadian.

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jul 06 - 03:22 PM

See ClintonHammond knew there was no problem getting his hands on a bit of blow last night.
And if he required a shooter he could of got one too. Now he wants drugs made legal as well !

His lack of logical argument over the years has just been explained !

Hey man stay cool, it's groovy.

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: kendall
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 09:35 AM

Utah Phillips said they had found weapons of mass destruction in Bagdhad...a banjo factory.

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 11:44 AM

I have provided plenty of logical argument... but it' sno surprise that it goes over your head 'Guest'

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: gnu
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 02:03 PM

Aw shit. I missed the YAY CANADA stuff. Ye fellers know how much I like YAY-ing. I even like YAYs about the good old US of A. Not so much to YAY about these days, though, for either of them.

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: Peace
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 11:12 PM

"I also get pissed when someone shits on Canada, but watch the name calling. Your argument loses something when you start that."

Yeah, whatever.

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 11:33 AM

Not sure if legalisation would stop the drug barons. People are making millions out of trafficing 'Black Market' cigarettes and booze into the UK, usualy from eastern Europe. The only way to stop people supplying anything is to stop the demand. How do we do that? If I knew the answer to that one think I would be wasting my time here?

:D (tG)

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 11:50 AM

"People are making millions out of trafficing 'Black Market' cigarettes and booze into the UK"

That's probably more a "tax" or "Import Restriction" issue....

But I promise you, the money they're making isn't a drop in the bucket to what the Drug Lords are making

"stop the demand. How do we do that?"
We don't... it's impossible

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 12:05 PM

I'm sure you're right, Clinton. I may be an oddity (no comments please!) but if I see something on sale from 'a bloke in a pub' for half the price it usualy is I question it's origins. As long as people want to buy illegal goods others will make money out of them:-(

As you say, stopping the demand is impossible, hence my earlier comment, so perhaps the best we can hope for is a restriction of supply? If that is done by outlawing the goods or taxing them is perhaps a more apt question. Trouble is that whichever way you do it the more unscupulous will make money one way or another.

How do we get round ity then? Giving everything away free? Everyone working just for the love of it and getting what they need from the communal pot? Tressells 'Ragged trousered philanthropists' goes a long way to explaining that kind of Eutopia. Explodes it all in the end though with one simple argument. Human greed will always win out.

Ah, well. Better get myself a bottle of MacRuskkies genuine Scottish Whiskie, a big splif and forget all my worries...

:D (tG)

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: Peace
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 04:04 PM

As long as people want things there will be those who are willing to supply those things, legal or otherwise.

Canada has spent big bucks on a gun registry--all the 'honest' folks have registered their guns. I wonder how many of the guns that were confiscated by police in the arrests were 'registered' guns?

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 04:42 AM

That's another one that gets me as well, Peace. Handguns are outlawed altogether here in the UK. So who has them? Criminals of course. Gives them a bit of an unfair advantage don't you think? Again no answers from me again but it does seem that those who are willing to flout the law will, literealy, get away with murder. Those who uphold the law are denied the means with which to defend themselves. Don't get me wrong, I am happy with the gun ban, but until it can be enforced it is futile.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: kendall
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 07:50 AM

Fact. A few years ago, Florida was gripped in a crime wave. Then, they passed a "Right to carry" law, and withing a short time the crime rate dropped drastically. In my own state of Maine, there are 10,000 permits to carry concealed out there in a state with only a million people including babies. Vermont has no law at all on carrying concealed, yet it is the safest place in the union to live.
Looks like a case of emotion and facts not jibbing.

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 09:31 AM

Idaho doesn't do too badly either, Kendall. My "carry permit" is almost never used, but I have it. Let me rush to say that I don't feel that everyone who asks should be issued one; background checks and training are sine qua nons in my opinion, as are restricted zones (no guns in hospitals, schools, bars, courtrooms, and so forth).

Of course, as someone pointed out when I was working in Kentucky and we were debating a ban on concealed weapons in the library, how will you know if someone is carrying a concealed weapon into the building? We couldn't afford metal detectors and security guards and the staff sure wasn't trained in police work.

(I'm also a special reserve police officer, who can be called out in case of riot or insurrection or declared civil emergency. But as the Chief of Police said to me, he's more likely to call out the streets department than the library director.)

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: kendall
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 11:40 AM

These permits are not handed out like candy at Halloween. You must pass a strict background check first.

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 12:08 PM

No, they certainly are not. In Kentucky I had to take 16 or so hours of classroom instruction on the legality of lethal force (same as the cops) and two hours of range instruction and then demonstrate my knowledge and proficiency in firearms use. Idaho also required such instruction and demonstration, but Kentucky qualified and so I didn't have to repeat the classes.

In all cases (Indiana, Kentucky, Idaho) I was fingerprinted and run through the National Crime Computer system. ANY downcheck, including DUI or domestic violence and I would not have gotten a permit.

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: Peace
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 01:17 PM

I have friends who carry guns. Most of them are police officers. I tend to think of guns as tools rather than weapons. Despite a familiarity with a few hand guns, I'm certainly not good enough with them ever to want to carry one, concealed or otherwise.

The Gun Registry here is a white-elephant money grab by Ottawa. It is clumsy, ineffective and bloody expensive. It's a program that was supposed to pay for itself in two years. Yeah. Right. Like, I have this bridge to sell . . . . I'll tell you guys, for all the problems y'all have with your federal government in the USA, I think Canada could teach you a thing or two about ineptitude. These folks could screw up a one-car funeral.

Anyway, rant over.

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: Rapparee
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 02:50 PM

To carry a lethal weapon of any sort is to assume a tremondous load of responsibility and should never be undertaken lightly or in anger. To know that you have in your control the means to end or ruin another's life is (or should be) awe-inspiring. And the worst reason to pack a weapon is because it makes you feel eight feet tall and covered with hair.

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: kendall
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 04:46 PM

Man, did you hit that nail on the head. Not only do you have the burden of being responsible for the life of another person, you also have the burden of keeping yourself out of prison if you are wrong.

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: Ernest
Date: 14 Jul 06 - 04:06 AM

Eight feet tall and covered with hair? You mean that Bigfoot`s are armed?

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Jul 06 - 09:10 AM

You betcha! There was a Bigfoot conference here just a few weeks ago and all the PhDs and researchers were in complete agreement that Bigfoots are armed with a right and a left. Just two, though.

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: Ernest
Date: 14 Jul 06 - 09:27 AM

What kind of PhD`s do Bigfoots have Rapaire? And did somebody take photos of that conference?

Subject: RE: BS: Mounties find a huge weapons cache
From: Rapparee
Date: 14 Jul 06 - 09:32 AM

Mostly in biology. Yeah, they did, but the pictures are all fake. Nessie was there too.