BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 01:16 PM

if you mean GWB, he would like to see Roe vs Wade pitched.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 03:40 PM

Liberal Democrat women claim the right to screw their brains out and when they get pregnant the right to life suddenly gets suspended.

Call Roto Rooter that's the name

An away go troubles down the drain.

Roto Rooter

But when a convicted killer and gang founder is sentenced to death, the right to life issue suddenly eclipses everything.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: kendall
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 04:28 PM

Like convoluted logic Guest? Here's more. Republicans are anti choice and pro death penalty.
As someone said about Ronald Reagan, he is concerned about children all the way from conception to birth. After that, they are on their own.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 04:34 PM

Not the least bit convoluted.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 04:40 PM

GUEST's connection with the real world is obviously very tenuous. Like most who seem to think that that's what it's about.

Pea brain!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 04:53 PM

I have no personal attack for you.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Don Firth
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 04:58 PM

Within my experience, most of the people I've run into who hold the incredibly shallow attitude that GUEST expresses, are not so much concerned with the matter of abortion itself. Interestingly enough, and revealingly enough, they also tend to be opposed to birth control and teaching sex education in the schools. A bit of persistent probing into their beliefs reveals that what's really going on is that they are convinced that sex is a sin, and if one indulges, one must be punished for it.

It's interesting to note that they believe that having to bear a child is a form of punishment.

This attitude of theirs may account for a lot of child abuse. It certainly accounts for a lot of children being born into poverty.

Pro-Life? Well, that depends on what you mean by "Pro-Life."

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 05:32 PM

I have not been abused. I am definately not against birth control. I am for birth control. I think sex education has a reverse effect.

I think kids should not be subjected to sex in the media, advertizing, video games, computer games, movies etc. Big buisness definately exploits sex in order to sell things to make money.

I am not Catholic or any religion for that matter. I am not an atheist. I am tollerant of all peaceful religions. I think religion is a good thing if not caried to extremes.

There are some good reasons for abortion but not wanting to bear the responsiilities for your own actions is not among them.

Are you glad you were not aborted? Are you glad your Mom and Dad were married? Don't take this as an attack, just a question for you to ask yourself.

I am damn glad myself.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST,Another guest
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 05:34 PM

Abortion is a lazy method of birth control. Plan ahead.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST,TIA
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 05:43 PM

"Abortion is a lazy method of birth control. Plan ahead."

True in ALL cases then?

If not, who decides?

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: kendall
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 07:27 PM

I will never believe that abortion is a viable method of birth control. It's expensive and degrading.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Al
Date: 11 Jul 06 - 10:24 PM

I would like to see the government stay out of the issue of abortion, and let it be a personal decision. No need for the government to be pro or con. Just neutral.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST,Mike Miller
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 01:17 AM

Kendal, my lad, you are a talented fellow and funny, too boot, but you are, perhaps, allowing your politics to alter your historical perspective. American involvement in WWI was, entirely, within the Wilson administration. The US was involved in WWII long before Pearl Harbor, long before the Axis attacked us. Korea was the UN and the president was Truman. There was a war in Indo China, under Ike, but the French were fighting it.
I'm not suggesting that the Democrats are the party of death and, surely, the two Iraq adventures are pure GOP. It's a crap shoot.
I think that we defend our positions in pre Vietnam wars by avoiding them (The French and Indian War, the Mexican War, The Spanish-American War), trivializing them (WWI, Graneda, Panama) or accepting them as just wars (The Revolutionary War, the Civil War, WWII).
That WWII thing sure makes it tough to come off anti-war, doesn't it?

                        Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: kendall
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 08:30 AM

It's always hard to know exactly where to lay the blame because our government sneaks around sticking its nose into the internal affairs of other countries, then when the excrement contacts the oscillator we blame the "enemy".
There was a slogan in the teens, "He kept us out of war." but when the Germans sunk the Lusitania he was forced to avenge the American dead. Sounds noble, don't it? Germany put notices in the American papers saying that any ship that was carrying munitions to England would be sunk were ignored, and the Lusitania was loaded with war materials. Their spies reported it to the U Boats and the rest is history.

Now, the fact that Truman was president when North Korea invaded South Korea is hardly a reason to blame him! They started shooting at our people! What was he supposed to do?

Now, if we dig a bit deeper, we find that Truman's secretary of State, Dean Acheson, made the statement that there is nothing in SE Asia that we need or care about is what gave the north Koreans the green light. They were amazed when we fought back. Talk about mixed messages.

Same thing happened in Iraq. Bush number one's Ambassador to Iraq told Saddam that we didn't care what he did in the middle east, so he decided it was a good time to take back Kuwait. We really don't learn from history, do we?
By the way Mike, I majored in American history at the University of Maine and came out with a "B" average. Do you think we were using the wrong books?

All politicians are crooks and thieves. The only thing we get to decide is which one is the worst or will do the least damage.

Consider this 8 trillion dollar national debt.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 10:03 AM

I would like to see the citizens stay out of the issue of death, and let it be a government decision. No need for the citizens to be pro or con. Just neutral.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST,Mike Miller
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 10:42 AM

Kendal, whether you were a history major or MBA private. dates are dates and facts are facts. More to the point, there remains the question of "just wars". I mentioned a few in my last message. (I could have included Hebrews versus Jericho but I didn't want to offend the Philistines.)
War is a strange concept, illogical, instictive, unproductive, inevitable. Outside of those ten life functions that we learned about in High School biology class, war may be the only activity that we share with every stage in man's evolution. Beliefs change, philosophies come and go, ethics and morals are more stylish than we care to admit but, in good times and bad, we find something to fight about. I don't know. Maybe war is like desease and famine, a way for the earth to check human overpopulation.
"Good wars" and "bad wars" are products of perception. I am a Jew (I wear a hat so people can't tell) so I think that WWII was a good war and I'd like to know what the hell took America so damned long to get into it. (Others, who were not being herded into death camps, can be more objective.)You are a man of principle and a history major with a B average, Kendal. How do you feel about waging war to rescue people? That is what we did in the Balkans and Somalia. Was that OK? Should we have gone into the Soviet Union to combat Stalin's purges? If it is OK to defend your family, how far the "family" extend? I never got a B in any subject but even I can see that war and peace are not so black and white.

                         Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 12:29 PM

I don't really believe that there have been any wars fought "to rescue people", although the claim that that was being done has certainly been made on numerous occasions. ;-) Wars are normally fought for the most pragmatic of reasons, truth be told, and have nothing to do with rescuing anyone.

Does it occur to you, Kendall, that both Saddam and/or the North Koreans may have been deliberately misled by those "mixed messages" that were sent by America? When you would like to fight a war, you need an excuse for it. If you can trick the other side into providing you with a really good excuse, so much the better!

Saddam had passed his point of usefullness for the USA when he failed to defeat Iran. The USA wanted a strong military presence of their own in the Middle East on a permanent basis. They needed a good "reason" to go there. Saddam's attack on Kuwait would give them that reason. What to do? Well, trick Saddam into thinking he had a free hand to attack Kuwait. Then when he did, turn him overnight into the next "biggest threat to the world" and go in full force into the Middle East to fight him. And then never leave.

"Gotcha!" Mission accomplished!

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: kendall
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 12:48 PM

Roosevelt knew what the Nazis were doing to the Jews and he chose to do nothing except to tell the people who were keeping him advised to stop sending him reports. There was a shipload of Jews that was turned away and not allowed to land here. For shame!

On the other hand, what happened when President Carter allowed the Shah of Iran to enter this country for cancer treatments? The hostage crisis, which led to his downfall.

If we are going to be the world's policeman, we must have the support of other countries.

As far as facts go, whose facts? history is written by the winners.
I was in high school when the Korean war broke out, June 25 1950. Right?

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Amos
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 01:10 PM

The Federal government is not in the business nor should it be of dictating moral statutes or stances to the citizens of the country; in fact, it is by rights the other way around.

If you want people to be more "moral" about abortion, or any other individual decision they may make, you can take tot he streets, you can have PR events, and you can use your right of free speech to seek to mold the opinions of others.

But when you seek to make your moral views mandatory on others by getting the Federal government to support your opinion over that of other individuals, you are not only abusing the whole purpose of th4e Federal government, you are actually undermining it, by engaging it in issues that distract it from its more important duties and by weakening its ability to make clear judgement. In effect, you corrupt the government of the United States when you try to bend it to purposes for whcih it is not suited. One of those purposes is dictating moral codes.

The source of ethics decisions in the United States is firmly seated with the individual informed citizen. Corrupt that source of power and you corrupt the nation. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: CarolC
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 02:01 PM

I would like to see the citizens stay out of the issue of death, and let it be a government decision. No need for the citizens to be pro or con. Just neutral.

What you are describing is totalitarianism. Fortunately, we live in a democracy. In a democracy, the citizens are the government.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Don Firth
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 04:06 PM

"I would like to see the citizens stay out of the issue of death, and let it be a government decision. No need for the citizens to be pro or con. Just neutral."

That's where we differ, GUEST. My viewpoint is the exact opposite of yours. These issues should be up to the people, and the government, especially the federal government, has no business getting involved in a lot of things that they keep trying to meddle with. In fact, the Constitution delineates what the government can and cannot do. And that most definitely precludes interferring between a woman and her doctor.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST,Mike Miller
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 05:48 PM

As a closet libertarian, I assure you that no one is more offended by government interference into private lives than I but I am not so foolish as to imagine that, in America, at least, the government is not representative of the majority will of the people. Oh, I know that is an unpopular view, in this forum and in right wing forums too, but the fact is that ours is a fairly moderate/conservative electorate and they seem to want to have the government tell them what they can eat, drink, smoke and wear. Those of you who support a woman's right to choose abortion should realize that banning abortions and requiring perscriptions are two sides of the same coin (Who controls our bodies?). The only difference is that we have accepted the latter (and ain't the AMA and the drug companies doing well as a result?), but women have not accepted the former.
But why are we discussing this when the solution is so obvious? All the anti-war advocates have to do is vote and we will never be in another war. I mean, you guys are in the majority, aren't you?

                            Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: CarolC
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 06:08 PM

Hard to say until we have open and verifiable elections, Mike. We do not currently have that.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 06:36 PM

When did you ever get the impression that "the people" control government policy, Mike? By far the greater majority of British citizens were opposed to the Brits going to war in Iraq. Remember? And Blair still went to war anyway.

Governments...including democratically elected ones...do whatever their backroom planners have already decided to do, and then they drag the public along in its wake, often kicking and screaming. It's only when a policy is failing so badly that it no longer has any hope at all of succeeding that a government will abandon a course it has embarked upon. That's basically what happened in Vietnam, and it will also happen eventually with the Iraq conflict...unless we stumble into an even greater war in the region. That's certainly possible.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Peace
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 06:39 PM

Is it any surpise to people that when they vote for warmongers they get wars? Or when they vote for people who have never cared about the sick or the poor, they actually get people who bring about policies that don't care about the sick or the poor? Jaysus, the electorate is a few cards short of a full deck.

So, what are y'all doing about the 2006 elections?

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 07:00 PM

Yeah, Peace, but don't forget...back in 1964 most of them voted for the "peace" candidate, LBJ, and against the "war" candidate, Barry Goldwater.

Guess what they got?   A war, that's what. A nice big war. LBJ expanded the war in Vietnam well beyond anyone's expectations.

That's why I say that it's all decided behind closed doors by the backroom boys and what the public has to say about it at election time doesn't amount to a puff of smoke in the wind.

For Americans to admit this would be to admit that they are powerless. To admit that they live not in a democracy, but in a well-controlled velvet dictatorship. They'd rather not think about that. Too scary. They'd rather continue to pretend their vote still matters and play the charade of choosing between 2 phony political parties who serve the same corporate masters.

And so, the myth of the rugged frontier individualist lives on, perpetuated in TV dramas and movies, perpetuated in endless unreal blather about "liberty and freedom", while the truth is that Orwell's 1984 is well established already in corporate Amerika.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: robomatic
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 07:29 PM

GUEST said:
I would like to see the citizens stay out of the issue of death, and let it be a government decision. No need for the citizens to be pro or con. Just neutral.

CarolC said:
What you are describing is totalitarianism. Fortunately, we live in a democracy. In a democracy, the citizens are the government.

I was so taken aback by GUEST's ridiculous comment that I took it for a troll. In a government that's supposed to have regular elections it's the citizens' duty to participate. Making a blanket statement as kendall does above that "All politicians are crooks and thieves" is to give up the fight which is a permanent part of democracy and to at the same time urge others to give up the fight because if they join they will immediately become crooks and thieves themselves.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Naemanson
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 07:43 PM

To help out Littlehawk's quote way back on July 9, "Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel." is from Samuel Johnson, (1709-1784), quoted in Boswell's Life of Johnson

I've been collecting quotes like that since Bush took the reins of power. There are quite a few from the great minds of our past.

Abraham Lincoln: Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power.

John Adams: Power always thinks it has a great soul and vast views beyond the comprehension of the weak; and that it is doing God's service when it is violating all his laws.

Abraham Lincoln: To sin by silence when they should protest makes cowards of men.

Alan Corenk: Democracy consists of choosing your dictators, after they've told you what you think it is you want to hear.

Aldous Huxley: At least two-thirds of our miseries spring from human stupidity, human malice and those great motivators and justifiers of malice and stupidity: idealism, dogmatism and proselytizing zeal on behalf of religous or political ideas.

Alfred E. Wiggam: A conservative is a man who believes that nothing should be done for the first time.

Alphonse Daudet: Hatred - the anger of the weak.

Ambrose Bierce (In The Devil's Dictionary): In our civilization, and under our republican form of government, intelligence is so highly honored that it is rewarded by exemption from the cares of office.

Ambrose Bierce (Also in The Devil's Dictionary): Politics, n. Strife of interests masquerading as a contest of principles.

Anatole France: If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing.

Bertrand Russell: Our great democracies still tend to think that a stupid man is more likely to be honest than a clever man.

H. H. Williams: Furious activity is no substitute for understanding.

Blaise Pascal: Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from a religious conviction.

Bruce Barton: Conceit is God's gift to little men.

Charles Darwin: Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge.

Dalai Lama: If you want others to be happy, practice compassion. If you want to be happy, practice compassion.

Dan Barker: Faith is a cop-out. If the only way you can accept an assertion is by faith, then you are conceding that it can't be taken on its own merits.

Daniel Webster: A strong conviction that something must be done is the parent of many bad measures.

David Broder: Anybody who wants the presidency so much that he'll spend two years organizing and campaigning for it is not to be trusted with the office.

Don Marquis: If you make people think they're thinking, they'll love you; But if you really make them think, they'll hate you.

Dwight D. Eisenhower: Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired signifies, in the final sense, a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed.

Earl Warren: It would indeed be ironic if, in the name of national defense, we would sanction the subversion of one of those liberties which make the defense of our nation worthwhile.

Edgar Watson Howe: Americans detest all lies except lies spoken in public or printed lies.

Edward Abbey: One man alone can be pretty dumb sometimes, but for real bona fide stupidity, there ain't nothin' can beat teamwork.

Edward R. Murrow: When the politicians complain that TV turns the proceedings into a circus, it should be made clear that the circus was already there, and that TV has merely demonstrated that not all the performers are well trained.

This is just a sample of what I have. Some very intellegent people have said some very intellegent things. Too bad nobody brings it up now and again in the media.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 08:55 PM

The historical republican party and the current republican party are quite different things indeed. After all, Lincoln freed the slaves. Do you think for a minute GWB would have freed the slaves? Hell,no. It would hurt the economy.

The past is good to know, but doesn't exist any more. What's happening right now is all that matters. Only the present exists. And right now, the republicans are the party of evil, death, destruction. Our only hope is to elect a democratic majority in congress, and then persuade them to begin impeachment proceedings immediately before this bunch of criminals can do any more harm to the nation and the planet.

Al

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: kendall
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 09:30 PM

Guest, it was the 13th amendment, not Lincoln who freed the slaves.
His Emancipation Proclamation only applied to slaves in the south under the control of the confederacy. He was hoping to open another front for the rebles to fight against.

"The people are a great mob. Unable to govern themselves." Alexander Hamilton.

And for Mr. Bush, "Whom the gods would destroy they first make mad with power."

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST,Mike Miller
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 10:54 PM

It is the nadir of logic to say that the elections are rigged or stolen or bought when half the eligable voters do not exercise their franchise. If the bad guys seem to win the elections it might just be that it's the non-voting good guys who are their greatest allies. The number of stay at homes for primaries is frightening and the record in general elections is not much better. Instead of preaching to the choir, you guys would do better convincing the majority of Americans that you are righter than the other guys and that they should vote like you'd like them to. Unfortunately, you have not, yet, convinced enough of them to get up and vote, let alone support your candidate. Speaking of candidates, you'll have to come up with something better than "Anyone, But Bush" if you want to excite the voters.(Everyone blames Nader for Kerry's loss. I blame Kerry for Nader's loss. If every voter who agreed with Nader but voted for Kerry, and you know who you are, had voted his gut, either Nader would have won or, at the very least, the Democrats would have been scared leftward. That's how the Christian Right took over the GOP?)
And, is John Kerry, really, your ideal president? He wasn't anybody's favorite Democrat. A strong Nader year forces the Democrats to the left and solidifies the concept of a strong, liberal party in the US. Would that be so bad?

                     Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 11:06 PM

Mike, there is a reason why so many people don't vote nowadays. It's an instinctive reaction on the part of the genuinely powerless. Whether they reason it out or not (and most of them don't, of course), people instinctively realize, at some subconscious level, or maybe at the conscious level...that the parties and the system are in fact unresponsive to their wishes and their real needs and have been bought out by major financial interests. They realize it's a setup. They realize it's a charade.

If you had a REAL political system which actually was responsible and responsive and honest, I believe you'd see an over 95% voter turnout.

The emperor has no clothes. People realize it at some level and they become apathetic. They don't vote.

I consider the political system to be mostly pure flim-flammery...but I do vote. Every time.

Why? Not because I think it'll make any difference, but because then guys like you can't say that I have no right to say anything about it because I didn't vote. (grin)

In any case, I usually vote for whoever I think is the best candidate in my riding. That's usually someone who doesn't have much chance of winning, but c'est la vie.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Peace
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 11:08 PM

If you can't be arsed to go to the voting booth, then you don't deserve to have voting booths.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Little Hawk
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 11:10 PM

"arsed"?

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Peace
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 11:13 PM

Expression used by the Brits. It seems to mean 'bothered'.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: CarolC
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 11:19 PM

It's all pretty irrelevant if people know that whomever they vote for, their vote will go to whomever the vote counters decide. Once we get that problem fixed, then we can start working on the others.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 11:26 PM

Well, Little Hawk, that's start but it's also a finish if you are going to shrug your shoulders and keep complaining to your friends. Let's, just for a moment, pretend that voting does count and that the problem is that the message hasn't been properly sold or that it is just not the right message for this populace. It's not that they wont buy liberal programs, they just have to be convinced, and whatever message you've been sending hasn't convinced them, yet.
Don't sell the system short. It's got more holes than a harmonica but it has, within itself, the means for its reform and the potential for peaceful revolution. You just have to know how to work it. You need ferver and a national sense of need, you need numbers. The Christian Right achieved their political power through the ballot box. If the Left had some of that passion, they wouldn't be in the embarrassing state of impotance they are today.

                         Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Peace
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 11:38 PM

Part of that, however, is that the Dems were no more worthwhile voting for than the Repubs. SSDD.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Peace
Date: 12 Jul 06 - 11:43 PM

I really hope for the US that having Bush in power has helped the Democrats to grow some balls. A few here and there seem to be willing to speak out, but it's not likely that one of them will get the nomination. Where the hell are the Democrats with guts?

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 12:38 AM

In the U.S., it could be argued, the Democrats are the party of death. Not the Republicans. Democrats support abortion and Malthusian population reduction. They support taking land from individuals (for "public use" and "conservation"), thus depriving people of the living space needed to properly raise families. They support mass healthcare which is inferior to private healthcare, and poor healthcare leads to death. Democratic presidents historically engage in more wars than Republican presidensts. Many Democrats support the insane belief that humans are bad for the planet and the only solution is to reduce the population drastically. Yet I don't see Democrats lining up for euthenasia, which is another death issue they support. If they all practiced what they preached, they'd blow their brains out and this debate wouldn't even be necessary. But that's right...they're traditionally against private ownership of guns, preferring to let murderous governments have the firepower so they can wage pogroms and ethnic cleansings. Another death issue. And ultimately, Democrats don't have the courage to admit I'm right, which will be the cause of their own demise. We really only have one television-controlled party in the U.S., but the death cultists are going to wither and drop off the vine. Life always triumphs.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: CarolC
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 12:47 AM

They support mass healthcare which is inferior to private healthcare

Mass healthcare is a hell of a lot better than no health care, which is what many millions of Americans currently have (no health care). No health care will lead to death a lot faster than mass health care.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Peace
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 12:50 AM

I fail to see what's wrong with 'mass healthcare'. Hell, it's gotta be better for people than the manufacture of weapons!

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Ebbie
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 01:22 AM

"I would like to see the citizens stay out of the issue of death, and let it be a government decision. No need for the citizens to be pro or con. Just neutral. Guest"

I'm sure that everyone is aware of it but I am so literal minded that I have to say it anyway: I don't believe that Guest was making a statement of belief in saying that. S/He simply took the line that A1 had used and turned it inside out for her/his amusement.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 02:01 AM

Just for the purpose of illustrating how dumb the original statement is.

Should we eliminate laws gainst murder and leave it in the hands of the people?

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 02:50 AM

I didn't use the term "death cultists" lightly in the statement above. Our death-teaching universities brainwash kids into thinking resourses are running out, food is scare, etc., and the only way to "save the planet" is to refrain from propogating. And these students who become so highly educated in other areas of life fail to see they are being told to cut the throat of their species. Don't have children yourself, and support the sterilization programs of the U.N. and the big foundations. Your thinking has been hijacked by death-worshippers, you liberals. The "dying planet" story is a myth. One eruption on the scale of Mt. St. Helens pours more toxic gas into the atmosphere than all humans who've ever lived have produced. Don't buy into the self-annihilation you are being sold. Investigate the artificial scarcities (diamonds, oil, water), and you'll realize the "dying planet" story is just another fairy tale of the same ilk. Being told to you by people who merely want you dead. Insane death-worshippers who hate themselves and want to take you down with them.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: kendall
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 08:05 AM

Guest, how about some evidence to support your statement?

The Civil War..republican president.
The Spanish American war..McKinley, republican
Afganhistan Bush..republican
Iraq..Bush one and two.

I don't believe that either party has clean skirts in this area. However, Gusest, I'm willing to look at some evidence, if you have any.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST,Mike Miller
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 08:30 AM

Ah, I see that our nameless guest has revealed him/herself as our token distributor of Right Wing cliche. That's OK, we needed some balance for our usual one sided diatribes if, only, to get some perspective. Perhaps, now, we can drop this silly name calling and have a real discussion of the issues. Real decisions are made by reasonable people, not by the fringe players. Compromise is not capitulation and, as it has been said, the middle of the road is the super highway of politics. Name calling may be good for the soul but it is not a path to wisdom or accomplishment.
National Health is not a left/right issue. No society can afford to have a sizable number of its citizens unprotected by medical care. It poses a threat to the whole group. The level of care does not have to be inferior. Israel, with two national health plans, has the highest doctor/patient ratio in the world.

                      Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 09:29 AM

Israel also gave the world the "ringworm" children. Look it up. More death. And FDR couldn't get the US to go along with the war in Europe, so he gave us Pearl Harbor. Look up the McCollum Plan and the Japanese decoders being removed from Pearl. But this is all distraction. All modern presidents have served the interests of big banking. If you get out of line, you're shot, Rep or Dem. There is no difference between the parties at the Presidential level. Bush/Clinton/the bin Ladens are all on the same team. Focusing your attn on Bush's smirk takes your eye off the hundred unconstitutional acts of treason he's committed. Same with Clinton's penis. He should have been tried and executed for his crimes, not made a laughingstock. There is no difference between the parties in Washington. They are the same party. The party of death.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Susu's Hubby
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 10:24 AM

Geez....Guest....you're almost as looney as sorefingers.


Sorry brother but you gotta speak the truth.


Hubby

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Leadfingers
Date: 13 Jul 06 - 12:11 PM

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