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Subject: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: 282RA Date: 30 Jul 06 - 09:05 PM Not only are you all way too touchy and no fun to talk to but this is really an experiment to find out just how many Americans are actually here anymore. It seems like this forum is becoming a UK forum. It's weird but virtually every thread is peppered with references as "Rooney" "BNP" "Surrey" "Dubliners" and other crap that I have absolutely no idea what the hell anyone is even talking about. Maybe it's just me, but is Mudcat a UK forum and I mistook it for being American, in which case I apologize, but I could have sworn when I first started coming here, it was American/Canadian--North American, let's say. Now, it's like every thread is about UK politics, UK folk communities, UK cultural customs, UK folk artists, what is this?? Any North Americans here at all? I only came here because I thought it was American. If not, I may as well leave. I'm extremely proud of my American musical roots. I don't think Europe can even begin to compare. I think they are pale imitators (haha, that's good one!)and I see no reason to waste my time posting on a UK folk forum. I'm no anglophile. So what gives? If I get no responses, I suppose that will answer my question. |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Amos Date: 30 Jul 06 - 09:07 PM Oh, it's American all right. Hell, folk music is American. We're happy to have our British cousins playing along, but really. (Ducks and runs for cover, down the wrong side of the street). A |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: bobad Date: 30 Jul 06 - 09:09 PM I'm a Canadian, so you won't be seeing me on your thread. |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 30 Jul 06 - 09:09 PM Best of luck to you 282RA in whatever forum you end up finding. Perhaps you will discover that the Internet does not set up borders. |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: robomatic Date: 30 Jul 06 - 09:17 PM AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH . . . AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (I don't get it!) |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Paul from Hull Date: 30 Jul 06 - 09:28 PM Well, if I'm VERY quiet, can I just hide here for a bit, as I have no bloody interest in Rooney, the bloody BNP or Surrey either....& yeah, as for Northern Ireland, you can get the Catholics & the Prods to try & sit down over a table & discuss things, but not much hope of getting an Irishman & an Englishman to agree on anything.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: bbc Date: 30 Jul 06 - 09:29 PM We have all sorts here & all sorts are welcome. I'm from New York state. bbc |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Ebbie Date: 30 Jul 06 - 09:46 PM Gads, 282RA - may I call you Too? - I'd love to say that I'm from across wherever. As an American, you are embarrassing me. dumbass amurricans. grumble, grumble...) |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: katlaughing Date: 30 Jul 06 - 10:01 PM Don't know you, don't know how long you've been here, but that kind of attitude won't make many friends. It appears you are either trolling or not very observant. This is a Universal Forum, in case ya hadn't noticed. Have a look at the Members' Locator Page and you will see a good sampling of where we all hail from. People from all over the world are welcome. As Ron said, the Internet has no borders. katintheRockyMountainWest |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 30 Jul 06 - 10:04 PM Seesh! If you're going to be that way two ate two, I'm not sure I wanna be on your threads... This is a folk forum. All flavors welcome.. Jerry |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 30 Jul 06 - 10:05 PM Sheesh, I mean.. |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Maryrrf Date: 30 Jul 06 - 10:10 PM Mudcat is a forum about Folk Music. The fact that it was started by an American doesn't really mean anything. The internet has no boundaries, which I think is one of the nice things about it. There is nothing to stop Americans from posting about American folk music and if you do a search I think you will find there are plenty of messages about American songs, the American folk scene, etc. Personally I enjoy having an insight into how things are on the other side of the Atlantic, and I'm glad the Brits are here. But you know, there's nothing to stop you from starting your own Forum with whatever membership criteria you choose. If you want a free option start a Yahoo Group called "American Folk Music Discussion". Make it members only, with you as the moderator. That way you decide if you let them in or not, and anybody who is a foreigner can be refused admission. If they somehow sneak in anyway and give themselves away by saying something like "rubbish" or "sod it", or spelling "color" as "colour", you'll be able to spot them and kick them out. |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: GUEST,Jon Date: 30 Jul 06 - 10:23 PM You still upset 282RA? I thought you said you weren't before and you wer only messing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: katlaughing Date: 30 Jul 06 - 10:24 PM LOL, Maryrff...but just to confuse things, some of us 'mericunz spell it with an yew, too!:-) I also love having all of the different cultures here, too! |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Bill D Date: 30 Jul 06 - 10:29 PM aye, they're everywhere! In the threads, at our Getaway...why you can't swing a cat without hitting a couple. But....mostly, they're pretty good folks, even if they DO talk funny and forget to warn us...*grin* It's no use, 282...if they have a membership, you can write each a PM and beg for favors, but the threads are kinda a free-for-all. I sometimes ask for translations of arcane terms, and usually get not only interesting replies, but an education as well! |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp Date: 30 Jul 06 - 10:34 PM You are becomin' an ebarrassment, man. Get a shrink or somethin', that's my advice. - Chongo |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: artbrooks Date: 30 Jul 06 - 11:18 PM Non-Yank? Well, I was born in Virginia and lived in the western US most of my life. I guess that makes me a non-Yank. Bye. |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: GUEST,Mike Miller Date: 30 Jul 06 - 11:35 PM Like 282, I am American and I have noticed that many, if not most, of the postings are identifiably English and that many, many threads deal with particularly English topics. Like 282, I, often, don't know what they are talking about (I couldn't find Hull on a map. I'm not quite sure where Thurso is, either, and I've played there). So 282's observations may be accurate but, so what? Where is it written that members with numerical names must read and respond to every thread? There are some American threads and there some American posters and, if 282 can't find a thread that addresses his or her interests, what is stopping him or her from starting a thread of his or her own? Mike |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: JennyO Date: 30 Jul 06 - 11:52 PM Aw 282, you got something against us Aussies too? We're non Yanks, although our PM little Johnnie Howard seems to think otherwise, and we'll play with anybody - Yamks, Poms, Canucks - anybody! So 'owyergoin'mateorright? |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Sorcha Date: 30 Jul 06 - 11:55 PM Look he can either bite me or eat me. His choice! Just because I speak and spell Yook don't mean I r 1, OK????? |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: GUEST,Old Guy Date: 31 Jul 06 - 12:33 AM What's all the fuss? the more the merrier. Where did American folk music come from anyway? |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: John O'L Date: 31 Jul 06 - 12:38 AM It must be a slow day wherever 282RA is. He's shitstirring. Ignore him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 31 Jul 06 - 02:10 AM To us Aussies, them's fightin' words, man... And I used to be mistaken that most mudcatters were polite, educated intelligent lovers of 'folk music' (whatever definition you want!) whether they were Yanks or not, but, you know, you live and learn... |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Paul from Hull Date: 31 Jul 06 - 02:19 AM Mike Miller, most Brits couldnt point to Hull on a map either! ...we arent bitter about that though, is just that the Luftwaffe seemed to have no trouble... |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Ebbie Date: 31 Jul 06 - 02:28 AM Just because one or two Americans here are ethnocentric doesn't mean that the rest of us feel that way! As was said above, the more the merrier. Personally I LIKE telling friends that Mudcatters are from all over the world. I can't imagine wanting only one nation's people's opinion on a subject. |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 31 Jul 06 - 02:35 AM Wasn't Hull one of the towns in that old folk (English!) song about the ravages that Industrial England was subject to ... think it had the phrase Hartford, something and Hull (as a pun on Hell)... |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: George Papavgeris Date: 31 Jul 06 - 03:11 AM Hey two, don't be afraid take a Brit post and make it better. Me - yank? No, but I'm not a Brit either - I come from Thessaloniki. But I was lonely on my national folk forum so I came over here. In any case you won't find me discussing Rooney (why talk about Mickey anyway?) or BNP (I'm more of a BLT man). Robin, Hull is a myth - it doesn't exist, or at least no longer. They went and built another town on top of it. It's now Kingston upon Hull, and that's its proper name (check it out). |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Paul Burke Date: 31 Jul 06 - 03:41 AM Hull? Isn't that the big dog-shaped island in the Pacific? |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Dave Hanson Date: 31 Jul 06 - 03:54 AM I spent a week in Hull one Friday. eric |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: The Walrus Date: 31 Jul 06 - 03:54 AM Hull? I can find it on a map easily (You have to know where somewhere is to know how to avoid it (Dons helmet, ducks and runs for cover) "From Hull, Hell and Halifax..." ;-) |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Matt_R Date: 31 Jul 06 - 04:09 AM This attempting at baiting people is a failure |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: GUEST,Marion Date: 31 Jul 06 - 04:15 AM Katlaughing said (speaking of color vs. colour): "LOL, Maryrff...but just to confuse things, some of us 'mericunz spell it with an yew, too!:-)" I didn't realize that - is it a particular geographic area where this is the case? Or is it a case of individuals who spell it differently because they're Anglophiles, or old-fashioned, or whatever? Cheers, Marion the curious former linguist |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Liz the Squeak Date: 31 Jul 06 - 04:18 AM It's because they've been taught properly by people who speak correct English!! I dunno.. you steal our language and corrupt it... you steal our folk songs and corrupt them... I'd come and live with you but I think I'm already beyond redemption! LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: gnu Date: 31 Jul 06 - 04:28 AM Still think you should read a few history books, 2. You seem to be repeating yourself. |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Dave the Gnome Date: 31 Jul 06 - 04:34 AM So, typical American knowledge of geography then? ALL none-yanks when refereng to 'catters from the UK. So there are only 2 countries in the world? If you ment all UKers what about the Irish? I think you will find that they are non-UK. If you meant English why not say it? Wouldn't keep me off anyway - I am half Polish/Russian and like to spend time with my family in Illinois anyway:-) If you want a forum just for yanks then why not start one? Either that or lighten up. Just because you can't insult people as well as you thought you could it is not the end of the world. :D (tG) |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Liz the Squeak Date: 31 Jul 06 - 04:39 AM Good point Dave.... So which side does the Gnome bit come from then? LTS |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Dave the Gnome Date: 31 Jul 06 - 04:43 AM Not sure if its Gnojna, Gnojnik or Gnojno. (Yes they are real!) :D (tG) |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 31 Jul 06 - 05:10 AM "Wasn't Hull one of the towns in that old folk (English!) song about the ravages that Industrial England was subject to ... think it had the phrase Hartford, something and Hull (as a pun on Hell)..." "Dalesman's Litany". Refrain:- "From Hull, and Halifax and Hell, Good Lord deliver me" It's in the DT. 282, when you talk about folk music roots, yours are the same as ours, except that ours are about 600 years deeper. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: John O'L Date: 31 Jul 06 - 05:45 AM I think 2 has the right idea, but he's thinking small. I think all you folkies ought to stay off my threads (does that still mean trousers?) and leave the place to us blues enthusiasts. |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: mandotim Date: 31 Jul 06 - 06:06 AM Hull and Halifax; weren't they the last places in England to abolish public hangings/floggings? Hence the saying, I think. Tim |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Azizi Date: 31 Jul 06 - 06:08 AM Thanks, John O' for helping me realize what song the title to this thread reminds me of. I found these lyrics in the aptly named website Lyriic ZZ.com Rolling Stones Get Off Of My Cloud I live in an apartment on the ninety-ninth floor of my block And I sit at home looking out the window Imagining the world has stopped Then in flies a guy who's all dressed up like a Union Jack And says, I've won five pounds if I have his kind of detergent pack I said, Hey! You! Get off of my cloud Hey! You! Get off of my cloud Hey! You! Get off of my cloud Don't hang around 'cause two's a crowd On my cloud, baby The telephone is ringing I say, "Hi, it's me. Who is it there on the line?" A voice says, "Hi, hello, how are you Well, I guess I'm doin' fine" He says, "It's three a.m., there's too much noise Don't you people ever wanna go to bed? Just 'cause you feel so good, do you have To drive me out of my head?" I said, Hey! You! Get off of my cloud Hey! You! Get off of my cloud Hey! You! Get off of my cloud Don't hang around 'cause two's a crowd On my cloud baby I was sick and tired, fed up with this And decided to take a drive downtown It was so very quiet and peaceful There was nobody, not a soul around I laid myself out, I was so tired and I started to dream In the morning the parking tickets were just like A flag stuck on my window screen I said, Hey! You! Get off of my cloud Hey! You! Get off of my cloud Hey! You! Get off of my cloud Don't hang around 'cause two's a crowd On my cloud Hey! You! Get off of my cloud Hey! You! Get off of my cloud Hey! You! Get off of my cloud Don't hang around, baby, two's a crowd -snip- [no relation] The slogan for that website is "Double ZZ; Double content. Yeah!! :o) :o) |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: GUEST,Bunnahabhain Date: 31 Jul 06 - 06:11 AM Do ypu really mean Yankees, or Americans? Are those Southerners really beyond the pale? And what about out west, as some of those states were little more than a few campsites and some worried looking livestock at the time the division was important? |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Dave the Gnome Date: 31 Jul 06 - 06:17 AM Someone in Canada tried to pinch Halifax once. Stan Rogers? "I'm a broken man on a Halifax pier..." Didn't know Halifax even had a pier. Went to Sowerby Bridge once and it was under 6" of rain water but I don't think that counts... :D (tG) |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Dave the Gnome Date: 31 Jul 06 - 06:24 AM Did you hear the Scottish hill farmers version, Azizi? Hey, MacCloud, get off a my ewe... :D (tG) |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Azizi Date: 31 Jul 06 - 06:50 AM "The Rolling Stones got their name from the Howlin' Wolf blues song "Rolling Stone" - Keith Richards was a fan of the version recorded by Muddy Waters," See Rock Band Name Origins I couldn't find the lyrics to that Howlin' Wolf's song [anyone got them?] but I did find this website full of other song lyrics and mp3s: Howlin Wolf Song Index Page Here's the lyrics to one of my favorite Howlin Wolf songs: Wang Dang Doodle by Willie Dixon recording of 1962 from The Rocking Chair (Vogue 600111), copyright notice Tell Automatic Slim , tell Razor Totin' Jim Tell Butcher Knife Totin' Annie, tell Fast Talking Fanny A we gonna pitch a ball, a down to that union hall We gonna romp and tromp till midnight We gonna fuss and fight till daylight We gonna pitch a wang dang doodle all night long All night long All night long All night long Tell Kudu-Crawlin' Red, tell Abyssinian Ned Tell ol' Pistol Pete, everybody gonna meet Tonight we need no rest, we really gonna throw a mess We gonna to break out all of the windows, we gonna kick down all the doors We gonna pitch a wang dang doodle all night long All night long All night long All night long Tell Fats and Washboard Sam, that everybody gonna to jam Tell Shaky and Boxcar Joe, we got sawdust on the floor Tell Peg and Caroline Dye, we gonna have a time When the fish scent fill the air, there'll be snuff juice everywhere We gonna pitch a wang dang doodle all night long All night long All night long All night long All night long All night long All night long -snip- This is my way of saying that I enjoy "breakin out all of the windows,and kickin down all the doors" that separate one culture from another. Thanks to Mudcat, folks can learn that "its a small world after all" by reading and exchanging comments, information, insights, or just havin fun with people in near & far away places. In doing so, one of the things we're bound to find [if our hearts & minds & spirits are open to this insight] is that in many ways -regardless of our race, ethnicity, nationality, gender, religion and other cultural indices, we have much more in common than we have that is different. So let's keep on pitchin 'a wang dang doodle all night long' and all day long too! And let's bring others into this big tent so that they can add their flavor to the mix! If people come to Mudcat for positive reasons-to share, to learn, to relax, to give & to receive emotional support, to to enjoy themselves with play on words and limerick games and others, to meet old friends and make new friends, then the more the merrier. 'Walk right in, sit right down', make yourself at home. But if you come here to muddy the water, and start some stuff or add some mess to the pot that's already stirring-if you come here to start some trouble, then you can let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya. |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: skipy Date: 31 Jul 06 - 06:51 AM Thread is the name of a deadly phenomenon that appears throughout Anne McCaffrey's series of science-fiction novels about the fictional planet Pern. It consists of a rain of threadlike silver filaments of a space-borne mycorrhizoid spore that devours all organic matter that it touches. These filaments bridge the space gap between Pern and their origin, a rogue planet called the Red Star, when the two planets are close enough. ... Skipy (red rag to a bull this one!) |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: jacqui.c Date: 31 Jul 06 - 07:25 AM I have a little problem here. I'm English, married to a Mainer and living in Maine, which is part of New England. Would I be allowed to contribute to the new Mudcat order as set up by our friend? I, personally, have met a lot of American 'Catters in the past couple of years and see plenty of American interest threads on the board. I have also learned a great deal more about the USA, its people and history than I ever have and I think the same is true for my American friends. People talk about a 'global community' and, whilst that may be difficult to achieve from a political point of view I think that, here on Mudcat, we've got it in microcosm. |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Dave Hanson Date: 31 Jul 06 - 07:29 AM Halifax still has it's gibbet, if 282RA wants to try it out I'm sure we could adjust it to fit his XXL size head. eric |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: kendall Date: 31 Jul 06 - 07:31 AM 9 out of 10 obits here are people I never heard of. Mostly Brits, is that a problem? Hell no, I just move on. This place would be not nearly as much fun without the Brits, and I'm damn glad they are here. If you suffer from geocentricity, there is a cure, it's called travel. |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: kendall Date: 31 Jul 06 - 07:32 AM eric, that is a good one! Thanks. |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Mr Red Date: 31 Jul 06 - 07:33 AM Kendall - are you a Yank? & I thought this was a world community |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Dave the Gnome Date: 31 Jul 06 - 07:42 AM I just realised that Kendall is about as far North in the USA before you hit Canada as Kendal is in England before you hit Scotland:-) Don't know if I mentioned it when you were in Ingleton, Kendall. Did I say you were only about 30 miles off your namesake town (without the extra 'L')? :D (tG) |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 31 Jul 06 - 07:53 AM You trying to Yank our chain, 282? Jerry |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 31 Jul 06 - 08:12 AM There's been far too much Yanking of something, that's for sure... |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: GUEST,Mike Miller Date: 31 Jul 06 - 08:32 AM Jerry, 282 is not trying to yank your chains. He fears that Brits are chaining his Yanks. He misses the reason why British folkies are more active as posters than Red, White and Bluegrassers. I suspect that the British are more connected with their folklore and folksongs than we are for any of a number of reasons. My experience, as a professional folksinger in both societies, is that British (and Irish) audiences were more attuned to their own traditions than American audiences and, in response, more performers of traditional music were steadily employed. Although Mudcat postings have expanded into the neo-folk, folk-rock, and out and out pop, this is, after all, a folksong based group and a high percentage of Mother England's brood is to be expected. Like 282, I would like to see more Yankee Doodle data on these pages but not at the expense of less John Bullshit. The English love their folk music and so do I. Mike (Yeah, now I remember. Thurso is up at the top of Scotland, but, for all I know, Hull is in Iowa) |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Dave the Gnome Date: 31 Jul 06 - 08:37 AM Nah - It's down in Cornwall, Mike. Or is that Truro? ;-) 282 and anyone else missing it. Look up Max's state of the union address earlier this year. Direct quote without comment - Americans: We're losing to the Limey's. I attempt to lure American Folk artists, historians, archivists and enthusiasts to the Mudcat, and am repeatedly rejected because the Mudcat is now viewed as an UK Folk Forum. I don't blame the UK'ers, nor wish them to change anything they are doing, however, I'd like a nice balance so not to alienate either. Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: GUEST,Mike Miller Date: 31 Jul 06 - 09:04 AM Dave, Not to delve into political morass, but the BS section does seem identifiably anti-American. Folksingers are, to a great extent, leftist and the USA is, to the left, what salami is to a vegan (Chew 'em up but spit 'em out). Like most folks, we criticise our government and our culture with impunity but we get a little huffy when outsiders do the same. Like Brits, we are proud of our identity, and it is unpleasant to be, constantly, bashed for it. No one is saying that you can't flail away at all things American but don't act so surprised that we are offended and that we do not choose to participate in the bashing. Mike |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: nutty Date: 31 Jul 06 - 09:19 AM Mike ... If you knew the nationality of those posting in the BS section , you would see that a lot of the anti-American comments are made by Americans. (Particularly where Bush and his government are concerned) |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Becca72 Date: 31 Jul 06 - 09:22 AM A British company is developing computer chips that store music in women's breast implants. This is a major breakthrough. Women are always complaining about men staring at their breasts, and not listening to them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 31 Jul 06 - 09:28 AM Obviously this thread was started by a troll. Notice that there isn't a single reply from the idiot? He or she is having a good laugh. Also, I would like to continue my campaign to put an end to the use of the word "Yank". I am sure folks in the UK cringe whenever they are called "limeys". It is my understanding that the word "Yank" became popular during the Civil War. The Confederates would use it to describe the Union, and it was not said with affection. It smacks of bigotry and hatred. Maybe I am too sensitive, but it really irks me that people won't think twice about using it. I do realize it is said with affection, usually, but there are better words. Okay, enough of my PC rant! |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: GUEST,freds Date: 31 Jul 06 - 09:34 AM Why in the world would a yak post to a thread? It's hard enough for these beasts, living in Tibet, without making them use a computer keyboard. I'm tired of anti-yak discriminiation. I say, Equal Rights For Yaks! They're just as good as cows or aurochs or muskoxen! |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: GUEST,freds Date: 31 Jul 06 - 09:35 AM Oh, we forgot. Bite us. |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 31 Jul 06 - 09:37 AM The Term "Yank" was used indiscriminately (also irrespective of race or colour) by Aussies during and for some time after WWII to refer to any citizen of the USA. I'm an Aussie, and I'll use MY slang however I want... :P |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Jerry Rasmussen Date: 31 Jul 06 - 09:55 AM It don't bother me none that a high percentage of the threads are focused on music from somewhere other than the continental U.S. (Hardly ever see a Hawaiian thread.) You can't dictate what people want to talk about. Who'd want to. The wonderful thing about Mudcat is that you're bound to find a few threads at any given moment that are of interest to you. "Here we are now, entertain us," was a memorable line from one of my favorite folk groups, Nirvana. No sense bring that attitude into the Cat. Jerry |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Dave the Gnome Date: 31 Jul 06 - 10:02 AM Hi Mike Have a quick look at 282RA's thread on BS: The Holy Stoogaic Wisdom to see how this started. About 5 posts down is where it started and it continues throughout the thread. When his comments were responded to in kind he threw a tantrum - Which is why you could be seeing some threads as anti-American. They are not realy. Just anti-idiot:-) I think you will find that most UKers here are very friendly and would assist anyone from across the water in whatever way they can. Just like most 'catters over there will help anyone here. Just the odd one or two like to stir things up and, as usual, it is the vocal minority that get noticed! Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Paul from Hull Date: 31 Jul 06 - 10:26 AM One of the last places in Hull to gve up public hanging? Nah CAN'T have been....LES is still around... Suppose it COULD be true...at a stretch...(*G*) but if so, its time they bloody brought it back... |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 31 Jul 06 - 10:31 AM "I think you will find that most UKers here are very friendly and would assist anyone from across the water in whatever way they can. Just like most 'catters over there will help anyone here. Just the odd one or two like to stir things up and, as usual, it is the vocal minority that get noticed!" I'd go along with that, and add that most, like myself, are decidedly PRO America, and PRO Americans. If we are anti anything, it's your current government's activities on the world stage, and we are just as anti the activities of our very own arse licking PM. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Dave the Gnome Date: 31 Jul 06 - 10:32 AM Adds a whole new meaning to the term 'suspended sentence'... |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Paul from Hull Date: 31 Jul 06 - 10:43 AM Heh! |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: GUEST,Dixie Date: 31 Jul 06 - 10:49 AM Hey 282RA, I'm from Texas and therefore certainly not a a Yank. Sorry for intruding on y'all's thread. |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: LilyFestre Date: 31 Jul 06 - 10:59 AM If you don't understand what someone is talking about in a thread, why not just ask? Most folks are more than happy to explain and you get to learn something new, what's the problem? Music is great, no matter where in the world it comes from...I think the many cultures on Mudcat are a huge benefit! Michelle |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: frogprince Date: 31 Jul 06 - 01:11 PM What it really is, folks, is that, since he had the stroke, 282RA has tended to try to say something, and has come out with a word close to the one he meant to use. He really meant that he wanted to have threads just for JERKS like himself. |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Emma B Date: 31 Jul 06 - 01:38 PM Blunt 'worse than a traffic warden' (Sunday July 30, 2006 08:52 AM) Singer James Blunt has beaten traffic wardens and noisy neighbours in a list of the things Brits find most annoying, a new poll has revealed The list of 100 pet hates, commissioned by Lactofree, also includes ex-smokers in ninth place, Carol Vorderman at 12 and Americans at 46. from "Yahoo News" Lactofree questioned 2,059 people aged 18 and above - maybe they had come across 282RA? |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Ebbie Date: 31 Jul 06 - 03:10 PM "A British company is developing computer chips that store music in women's breast implants. This is a major breakthrough. Women are always complaining about men staring at their breasts, and not listening to them." LOL, Becca |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: gnu Date: 31 Jul 06 - 03:20 PM Say... here's an idea... if 2 were to see the light and knock the chip off his own shoulder, would (almost) everyone see the light and take the lad under their collective wings? Ya know... olive branch and that. I know I appreciated it when I needed it. More than once in my lifetime. So... can we nip this in the bud? I feel poorly about what I posted. Even though I still believe in waht I said, perhaps I could have been a bit more tactful. The ball is in your court, 2. (Sorry about using a Brit saying. No offense meant.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Ebbie Date: 31 Jul 06 - 03:38 PM OK, gnu. After reading the linked thread I see (I think) that 282 is (mostly) just tweaking our collective chains. May be the hot weather. Now, back to the good will. |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: GUEST,Skipy Date: 31 Jul 06 - 03:44 PM I'm prepared to listen to breasts! I'm very happy at having a go at listening in stereo by placing my ears very, very, very close. Skipy |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: gnu Date: 31 Jul 06 - 03:48 PM Num-nums Skipy? |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: gnu Date: 31 Jul 06 - 03:53 PM Hahahaha!! Just got a PM. Gosh, it actually does appear that I am trying to be the voice of reason. And, no, I haven't a clue why either. Some things cannot be explained. |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Big Al Whittle Date: 31 Jul 06 - 04:21 PM Really weird - hearing us being defended by the Australians. This was the nation that came up with that famous shaft of wit. Howja get fifty Poms in a telephone box? make one a foreman, and the rest'll crawl up his arse.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: GUEST,Mike Miller Date: 31 Jul 06 - 06:22 PM The term, "Yank", is, of course a shortened version of the 19th century song title, "Yankee Doodle", which was popular during the War for American independance. A Yankee Doodle was, what we would now call, a bumpkin or a rube. It was a term of derision, not unlike "Paddy", for Irishmen. That we made it into a title of national pride is just one of those quirks of culture. New Englanders were called Yankees until the War Between the States (1861-1865) when the seceding Southerners applied the term to all northerners. A lot of colorful names came out of that era. The Southern states were called Dixie because they were below the Mason-Dixon line that separated Pennsylvania from Maryland (although Maryland did not secede). Poor white southerners were caled "goobers" because it was said that they subsisted on goober peas (peanuts). Men had worn sideburns for years before they were named for Civil War General Burnside and out of luck chaps felt that their name was mud after Dr. Samuel Mudd was convicted for treating the wounded John Wilks Booth after he escaped from that theater. I am mentioning all these little goodies so that 282 can have some Americana to read. Mike |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: GUEST,Joe_F Date: 31 Jul 06 - 09:12 PM Brits aren't really foreigners. --- Joe Fineman joe_f@verizon.net ||: Rules, tomatoes, entertainment: homegrown is best. :|| |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hey, Yank! Nice Threads! From: Severn Date: 31 Jul 06 - 09:55 PM If there's only Yanks on threads, they tend to unravel. The Brits seem like unthreadening sorts, too, sew its seams. So why can't we learn to tear apart the fabric of our existance in harmony? The needle arise for all sorts and missorts of us in here! A mend, Brothers! .....Me, I just tend to just shrug and say "Sew What?"! (cue in the unravelled bolero) |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: kendall Date: 31 Jul 06 - 09:57 PM Ebbie, I wondered if anyone besides me got Becca's joke. I don't see "Limey" as an insult. It was the British navy that discovered the cure for scurvy...Vitamin C. |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Ebbie Date: 31 Jul 06 - 10:00 PM My daily rip-off sheet calendar at the office said otherwise about 'yank', y'all. I no longer remember the actual word or spelling but it claimed that it evolved from a much less than complimentary word used by the Dutch. For us. Referred to our lack of reasoning power. |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Paul from Hull Date: 31 Jul 06 - 10:16 PM Course Brits arent really foreigners...its every bugger else thats the foreigners |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: GUEST,Mrs Olive Whatnoll Date: 31 Jul 06 - 10:33 PM Cor blimey!!! Wot stupid sod started this 'ere bloody stupid fread? 'E should 'ave 'is ears boxed, the silly bugger! These bloody Yanks are all fat, stupid, and daft. They're up to their ears in chip dip and Coca Cola and they carn't bloody well talk sense if their worthless lives depended on it. If I 'ad me way they would all 'ave to pay fifty quid in reparations to the whole bleedin' world, that's wot I say. Fifty quid for every man, woman, and child wot 'as 'ad fings loik the Archy comics and the Free Stooges foisted on 'em by the bloody STUPIDEST excuse for a civilizytion wot ever was dreamed of! If I 'ad been in charge of the British army in 1775, I would've exterminyted the lot of 'em! The revolutionary ones, I mean. Bunch of schemin' traitors to the crown! I would gone up and down the land 'angin' 'em from the highest tree. That there George Warshington I would 'ave drawn and quartered, loik in the mid-evil times. You carn't show no mercy to thieves and scoundrels loik that lot. To hell wif the bloody sods, I say!!! AR282, you can stick it! (Cor! That felt good. I 'aven't 'ad this good an excuse to rave on in some time.) |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Paul from Hull Date: 31 Jul 06 - 10:39 PM ayup Mrs W..what you doing awake at this hour? Up with yer 'doings' again is it? Eeee, youre a Martyr to 'em, I'll say... |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: GUEST,Nellie Clatt Date: 01 Aug 06 - 02:58 AM Olive deary, calm down, 282 RA is just a naughty boy 'aving a bit of fun, you shouldn't take 'im so seriously. |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: kendall Date: 01 Aug 06 - 07:51 AM So, Mrs. Olive whatever, what do you really think of us? |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: RobbieWilson Date: 01 Aug 06 - 08:06 AM My what a successful troll: I starter post and 90 replies. max return for min effort. |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Paul from Hull Date: 01 Aug 06 - 08:21 AM Heh, no Robbie we are just having fun.... its just that, as is often the case, the Troll has missed all but the very beginning of it....*G* |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: freda underhill Date: 01 Aug 06 - 08:24 AM amazing how people try to establish territory, even in cyber space. |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Paul from Hull Date: 01 Aug 06 - 08:33 AM *G* youre right there Freda |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: John O'L Date: 01 Aug 06 - 08:59 AM Keep outta my threads and don't you step on my blue suede shoes. Uh-huh. |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Scoville Date: 01 Aug 06 - 10:09 AM What's your definition of "Yank"? I'm American but I renounced my Yankeehood decades ago (Texas . . . it's like a whole other country). I mean, really, by the truest definition, this thread would be New Englanders-only. |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: The Walrus Date: 01 Aug 06 - 02:03 PM RobbieWilson wrote (on 01 Aug 06 - 08:06 AM) My what a successful troll: I starter post and 90 replies. max return for min effort. Surely the troll would only have been successful if we'd been at each others' throats, (Trolls generally set out to stir up trouble). As it is I hold the troll to have been a failure. Comments please W |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Dave the Gnome Date: 01 Aug 06 - 02:12 PM So, I guess we still haven't answered 282's questions then? He said 'If I get no responses I suppose that will answer my question.' Well, there are 90-odd responses (someone is about to get 100!). By the wording of 282s phrase that must mean he has not got an answer? Or does it mean he has not got the answer he wants? In either case I think it is reason and common sense that is the winner in this thread. Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: GUEST,Mike Miller Date: 01 Aug 06 - 03:58 PM No, Dave, I don't think that 282 has received sufficient answer or answers to his concern. His question may, or may not, have been xenophobic in origin but his point was numerically correct. The lack of involvement by Americans in their musical heritage starkly pales with that of British folkies. Ther are a preponderance of English posts because there are so many English folk venues and so few American clubs. 282 seems to blame the British, somehow, for American indifference. Little does 282 realize that there are thousands of venues for traditional music in the US which go under the radar of fanzines like Sing Out and, dare I say, Mudcat. I have been a full time professional folksinger for almost fifty years and I rarely appear at clubs or big festivals. My audiences are young (schools, libraries, camps, museums, fairs and galas), old (nursing homes, retirement facilities, travel clubs, outings), and in between (civic events, state and county fairs, ethnic orginizations, shopping malls, company parties, country clubs). I have not had to be on the road for years. There is so much work just in my area, and I'm not the only folksinger doing these jobs. When I lived in Ireland (thirty years ago) I worked in folk clubs throughout the British Isles and I loved it. The venues were many and the audiences were receptive. You guys have it all over us when it comes to the club scene. But, for the purpose of making a living without living out of a suitcase, Philadelphia is to folksingers what Washington, DC is to lawyers. That Mudcat does not concern itself with the kind of jobs that I do, jobs that are more plentiful in the US than in the UK is, perhaps, why 282 sees so few Americans on these pages. Just a thought. MIke |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Dave the Gnome Date: 01 Aug 06 - 04:04 PM Thsi must be my 3rd ton! :D |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: GUEST,The Vulgar Boatman Date: 01 Aug 06 - 06:10 PM OK, we've spotted the troll, had a laugh - now answer me this: I've been a member of several English academic and musical societies, from the Galpin Society to the Northumbrian Pipers....why do they all have a member in Fort Worth, Texas? Just thought I'd ask.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Paul from Hull Date: 01 Aug 06 - 06:14 PM *ROFL* Have you checked to see if its same bloke in each one? |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Dave the Gnome Date: 01 Aug 06 - 06:45 PM Perhaps Fort Worth is the perfect microcosm of every type of society in the world? Scary thought. Doesn't GWB hail from around there? Cheers DtG |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Paul from Hull Date: 01 Aug 06 - 06:46 PM Well either that, or its the US equivalent of Hull... |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Paul from Hull Date: 01 Aug 06 - 06:47 PM Ah, nocant be...not being called Fort WORTH.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Kaleea Date: 01 Aug 06 - 07:27 PM so, 8, you want only Americans on the Mudcat? That'll be really interesting, cause I've never before shared about folk Music with someone from Argentina or Chile or El Salvador. By the way, 8, can you point to the Choctaw Nation or the Cherokee Nation on a world map? I only ask, cause some of my relatives were of those nations, & sometimes those nations can be kinda hard to find on maps. And, by the way, an American friend of mine, who lives about 1/2 an hour south of me, was teaching me some of the folk music from his family just the other day. He taught me a song called, "Sin tu Amor." It's really fun to sing, & I can accompany myself on my Guitar. Where does he live? My friend lives in Tijuana. I have lots of American more friends with I enjoy sharing folk Music. One lives near Vancouver. Another lives on a Polynesian island. I visited her family once, & I never heard such beautiful traditional Music. The lush vocals were angelic! I recall singing a Venezuelan song when I was in college. Maybe a lovely American from Venezuelan can help refresh my memory about correct pronunciation. I'll really miss all of the non-Americans very, very much. But, wow! It will be quite interesting to have an all American forum. By the way, 8, can you find Cyberspace on a world map? |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 01 Aug 06 - 08:51 PM "The term, "Yank", is, of course a shortened version of the 19th century song title, "Yankee Doodle", " ... and of course,you do know what part of the body the slang term "doodle" referes to? |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: GUEST Date: 01 Aug 06 - 10:29 PM |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: SharonA Date: 02 Aug 06 - 12:34 AM Two Eight... say it fast and it sounds like "Twait", which is close to "Twit"... Not that I personally would use the word "twit" in normal conversation, being an Amurkun and all... But as long as we're discussing Brits on Mudcat, I'd like to take this opportunity to express one of my pet peeves about Mudcat: When UK 'Catters post threads about a festival or other event, it's often unclear to those of us across the pond that the event is in the UK, even after opening the thread and reading a few posts. I think they forget that many towns in the US are named after towns and regions of the UK. (Case in point: I grew up in Warrington................ Pennsylvania!) I don't always recognize the Mudcat names on these threads as being those of British 'Catters, so I sometimes get confused about the location of the announced events, and it becomes annoying. I'm sure I'm not the only one who has experienced thie! So please, guys, don't just assume that everyone who visits Mudcat knows all about England's folk community. Remember that this is, as many here have pointed out, a worldwide forum, and please specify where in the world your announced event is taking place! Thank you!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Big Al Whittle Date: 02 Aug 06 - 02:42 AM as a native of Boston, lincolnshire - I can see that. all i can say is, sorry. if you had beeen to Warrington, Cheshire - you would understand why it would occur to no one this side of the pond that there was a tribute act going round. |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: s&r Date: 02 Aug 06 - 03:20 AM According to Partridge: .....Yankee derives from US Indian 'Yangees' for English, or from 'Jankee' Dutch for little John Stu |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: GUEST,sorefingers Date: 02 Aug 06 - 06:08 AM We have a BS section and lots of non-folkie stuff reamains in the folkie section. But we could also have a UK section/page for them and keep our crap separate. |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Les from Hull Date: 02 Aug 06 - 08:22 AM I'm interested in US folk music, as are many of us UK mudcatters. And many US 'catters share an interest in the folk music of the British Isles, and other English-speaking places. And of course it's not just folk music in the English language (it mostly is, but then it's an English language forum). So if we are careful enough to use terms that are understandable by most people with a good command of English - what's the problem? Can someone who starts a thread claim to own it? No. The thread belongs to Mudcat. |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: leftydee Date: 02 Aug 06 - 01:16 PM Come on 282, get with the program. I think it's a great thing to get input from other places in the world. It can expand yer horizons with leavin' yer desk! |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 02 Aug 06 - 02:40 PM "it's often unclear to those of us across the pond that the event is in the UK, even after opening the thread and reading a few posts. I think they forget that many towns in the US are named after towns and regions of the UK. (Case in point: I grew up in Warrington................ Pennsylvania!)" I've had the same problem with events in the US, Sharon. We have a Portland of our own and I was quite disappointed the first time I realised that an event I would have loved to attend would necessitate a trip to Oregon. Cuts both ways I guess, but, as it is an American forum it would not be courteous to suggest that you should identify US posts. I take your point though and will continue to slide a UK tag into anything that I post about events on our side of the pond. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: GUEST,Nigel Spencer Date: 14 Aug 06 - 10:52 AM What an odd thread. As that great English folk singer (not!), Ian Brown once said, "It's not where you're from, it's where you're at!" |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Janie Date: 14 Aug 06 - 09:15 PM I live in the South. Guess I'm not welcomed either. |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Big Al Whittle Date: 15 Aug 06 - 01:13 AM south where...? of course you're welcome! |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Haruo Date: 15 Aug 06 - 02:17 AM So far 282 hasn't posted to this thread since he started it. As for where Hull is, it's across the bridge from Ottawa. Haruo |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Les from Hull Date: 15 Aug 06 - 12:28 PM That might be where Hull is, but the great city of Kingston upon Hull (the place more usually referred to on this forum) is in the United Kingdom. |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: PoppaGator Date: 16 Aug 06 - 12:29 AM No way I'm reading all 284+ messages at this point. I read the first 20 or so several days ago, and will offer this observation: The UK members seem to be ever-increasingly active, and to be posting a higher percentage of the posts than before. Maybe fewer Americans are joining up while Brits (and other English-speakers) continue to grow in numbers. Maybe current US members are participating less than before. I don't know. I quit my daily Mudcat "fix" pretty suddenly almost exactly one year ago, on Aug 29 '05, thanks to Hurricane Katrina. I'm gradually starting to check in, and occasionally post, with increasing frequency. I have the distinct impression of a much heavier British presence than a year ago. The demographic shift away from the US is undoubtedly more noticeable to me now, as I return after a year's near-total absense, than it would have been had I been present every day, barely noticing a gradual change... |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Ebbie Date: 16 Aug 06 - 02:06 PM PG, that is easily fixed- if Americans would like to be more in evidence they/we need to post more. I like reading threads and posts from non-Americans. The world feels smaller to me nowadays. I have heard the occasional comment that there aren't any interesting threads at the moment- well, if they'd start one, there would be. |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Bill t' bodger Date: 16 Aug 06 - 06:17 PM the answer to "all non-Yanks please stay off my threads" is simple NO |
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Subject: RE: BS: All non-Yanks please stay off my threads From: Peace Date: 16 Aug 06 - 06:20 PM You are much more polite than me, and much more succinct. I woulda used two words totalling seven letters. |
