BS: Blunt circumcision

Subject: BS: Blunt circumcision
From: Paul Burke
Date: 16 Aug 06 - 03:56 AM

Headline from the Toronto Star:

Attitudes could blunt circumcision as weapon

Why are my legs crossed?

Subject: RE: BS: Blunt circumcision
From: Gurney
Date: 16 Aug 06 - 04:23 AM

Hard to see how it could be a weapon. A threat, well, yes.

Subject: RE: BS: Blunt circumcision
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 16 Aug 06 - 04:55 AM

That's the unkindest cut of all!
G.

Subject: RE: BS: Blunt circumcision
From: GUEST,Dazbo
Date: 16 Aug 06 - 05:18 AM

It does make me wonder at the recent news that circumcision can reduce the transmissability of Aids: would feminists be up in arms if it was suggested that some part of a woman's body was mutilated to prevent the spread of a disease?

Subject: RE: BS: Blunt circumcision
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 16 Aug 06 - 05:30 AM

Not exactly mutilation Dazbo, it's common practice in many cultures.
G.

Subject: RE: BS: Blunt circumcision
From: Paul Burke
Date: 16 Aug 06 - 05:59 AM

It's only a little more than body- piercing, similar to finger- choppiong, tooth filing, facial cuts etc. Nothing like the crude destruction of clitorectomy. Still, I'm not planning to convert to Judaism or Islam soon.

Subject: RE: BS: Blunt circumcision
From: GUEST,Dazbo
Date: 16 Aug 06 - 06:22 AM

Whether or not it's a cultural thing it's just as much mutilation as female circumcision, scarification or branding.

Subject: RE: BS: Blunt circumcision
From: GUEST,Cut one
Date: 16 Aug 06 - 06:28 AM

I had to have circumcision some 4 years ago due to thinness of the foreskin which occasionally split at 'crucial' times giving me pain.
Have to say it was certainly not the unkindest cut for me. Although it has left obvious scarring there are huge benefits with regard to cleanliness, sensitivity etc etc.
It is also fun to tell people that I had surgery for penis reduction.

Subject: RE: BS: Blunt circumcision
From: Grab
Date: 16 Aug 06 - 06:56 AM

For an adult, it's OK. You can choose whether you want it done or not, and whether the reason is medical, religious or body aesthetics, it's your choice.

Done to a child for a non-medical reason, it's child abuse. We wouldn't allow people to brand a baby or carve them with "decorative" scars, so why should anyone be allowed to cut off bits?

A non uncommon effect of circumcision is that the foreskin is cut too low. On a baby, this is a matter of being one or two millimetres out in your cut, which is why it's not uncommon. The result is pain throughout the man's life. It certainly would reduce transmission of STDs, since simply touching (with *anything*, even clothing) is apparently very painful.

Graham.

Subject: RE: BS: Blunt circumcision
From: Mr Red
Date: 16 Aug 06 - 08:35 AM

circumcision is a round about way of getting to the point.

I have seen the reports in the New Scientist and on TV - the inner surface of the foreskin has been shown to transmit many things more easily because it has thinner and fewer layers of dermis. STD's and particulalry AIDS were the focus of the investigation.

It is curious but in countries/religions that have dominated in hot countries that circumcision and not eating pork are rules. The heat and the way bacteria and viruses multiply in it are not unrelated. People that didn't like the rules may have become less in number as a ratio.

What a bout Hindus? Dunno but curry and garlic have antiseptic qulaities - which is why they became popular in food. And there are a lot of vegetarians in India too.

Subject: RE: BS: Blunt circumcision
From: Amos
Date: 16 Aug 06 - 09:53 AM

It's a dirty job, but the tips are good.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Blunt circumcision
From: Alba
Date: 16 Aug 06 - 10:11 AM

Mr Red the therapeutic qualities of garlic are nothing new. Sanskrit records reveal that garlic remedies were pressed into service in India 5,000 years ago. Louis Pasteur recognised the anti-bacterial powers of garlic back in 1858.
As for Curry spices well the spices help preserve food preventing spoilage and they also have a cleansing effect on the digestive system (any night after a vindaloo will find a the seasoned curry eater telling you this cleansing effect is true...*smile*)


I will, however, leave the dicussion of Male Circumcision to you Mudcat Lads.

Best Wishes,
Jude

As to the subject of Female Circumcision/ Female Gential Mutilation, well that is whole other topic for another time imo

Subject: RE: BS: Blunt circumcision
From: bobad
Date: 16 Aug 06 - 10:16 AM

There are much more effective ways of preventing STDs and AIDS.

Subject: RE: BS: Blunt circumcision
From: Mr Happy
Date: 16 Aug 06 - 12:29 PM

its a little known fact about Vindaloo and Rice that if you rearrange all the letters, they spell Leonardo DaVinci!

Perhaps I've cracked the DaVinci code?

Subject: RE: BS: Blunt circumcision
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 16 Aug 06 - 12:47 PM

ROFLOL. More convincing than the book MrH

Subject: RE: BS: Blunt circumcision
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 16 Aug 06 - 01:15 PM

Ok. I admit I checked it before applauding!

Good one MrH

Subject: RE: BS: Blunt circumcision
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 16 Aug 06 - 01:15 PM

KAKSOD!!!!*
But yes.. there are FAR more effective ways of not spreading AIDS... I can't see how a clean knob could prevent the spread of a blood/sperm bourne virus.

LTS



*Killed Another Keyboard Squirting Out Drink

Subject: RE: BS: Blunt circumcision
From: Clinton Hammond
Date: 16 Aug 06 - 01:24 PM

"Done to a child for a non-medical reason, it's child abuse."

Yes it is!

Subject: RE: BS: Blunt circumcision
From: GUEST,Joe_F
Date: 16 Aug 06 - 09:01 PM

ObSongs (TTTO "When Johnny Comes Marching Home"):

When I was 8 days old, me lads, Hurrah, Hurrah! When I was 8 days old, me lads, Hurrah, Hurrah! The rabbi came with a great big knife. I thought that he would take my life, But all he took was a little bit off the top.

--- Joe Fineman    [e-mail]

||: An economic question is a moral question rendered spuriously precise in terms of a unit of exchange. :||

Subject: RE: BS: Blunt circumcision
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 17 Aug 06 - 12:10 AM

During WW2 my wife and I both were in the US Army Medical Corps, enlisted personnel in military hospitals. We saw horrible cases of penile infection and rot on soldiers coming back from the Pacific Theatre, mostly those who had not been circumcised. Our doctors recommended that soldiers passing through on the way to the Pacific theatre have it done.

Who knows when our glorious leaders will get us into another protracted war in tropical regions. Luckily, the war in the Middle East has been in arid regions so far. We demanded circumcision on our children and strongly recommend it to others.

The comments by Mr. Red are on the mark.

Subject: RE: BS: Blunt circumcision
From: Slag
Date: 17 Aug 06 - 02:05 AM

It is not! child abuse. It left me a cut above all you uncircumcised Philistines!!!

Subject: RE: BS: Blunt circumcision
From: Paul Burke
Date: 17 Aug 06 - 03:41 AM

That's a parody of a music hall song my Dad used to sing:

Carve little bit off the top for me, for me,
Just a little bit off the top for me, for me,
Saw me off a yard or two and I'll tell you when to stop,
All I want is a little bit off the top.

Subject: RE: BS: Blunt circumcision
From: Liz the Squeak
Date: 17 Aug 06 - 04:01 AM

Maybe the suggestion is that the operation is done just before they go out to high risk areas so that it will be so painful they won't want to stick it anywhere except a bucket of ice....

LTS

Subject: RE: BS: Blunt circumcision
From: Bagpuss
Date: 17 Aug 06 - 04:21 AM

Why circumcision protects against HIV

Subject: RE: BS: Blunt circumcision
From: GUEST,Dazbo
Date: 17 Aug 06 - 06:15 AM

Q, I'm sure you saw lots of soldiers with something similar to trench foot, did they advocate amputation at the knee?

There was a programme on the telly a few years back about a young jewish boy's circumcision and witnessed by his father. The final cut done by the rabbi was with his sharpened thumb nail; needless to say I couldn't watch it.

Subject: RE: BS: Blunt circumcision
From: GUEST,Dazbo
Date: 17 Aug 06 - 06:22 AM

Bagpuss,

There was a tv programme about this a couple of years ago (Horizon on BBC2?) which reported that much to the surprise of scientists the infection route was not through the glans but the underside of the foreskin. Apparently, men of many tribes in Africa who didn't have the custom of circumcision were voluntarily being circumcised.

Subject: RE: BS: Blunt circumcision
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 17 Aug 06 - 05:25 PM

I was of the impression that the reason circumcision became religious law for muslims and jews was that it prevented desease.

Subject: RE: BS: Blunt circumcision
From: bobad
Date: 17 Aug 06 - 05:31 PM

Uh...what disease would that be exactly?

Subject: RE: BS: Blunt circumcision
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 17 Aug 06 - 10:56 PM

I heard this joke, told by a Jew, as the "boys" (all over 60) played poker at the Elks Club, while I watched. I was about ten. I have heard it many times since. How many times have you heard it?

Two Jews were urinating, standing side by side. One said "Hey, are you from Cincinnati?" Abie answered "Yes, how did you know ?"
The other said, "Well, I've got an uncle in Cincinnati what's a rabbi. He is always cutting on the bias, and you, my friend, are pissing on my feet."

Subject: RE: BS: Blunt circumcision
From: Mr Red
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 07:53 AM

Well it is said that Morris men should not be circumcised - because you have to be a complete prick - but I wouldn't dare say it................... those handkerchieves look pretty dangerous to me.

Subject: RE: BS: Blunt circumcision
From: Nigel Parsons
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 12:57 PM

Or the little boy crying outside the synagogue because someone had taken his pullover!

Subject: RE: BS: Blunt circumcision
From: Mrs.Duck
Date: 18 Aug 06 - 04:28 PM

Don't know, Bobad so perhaps it worked.

Subject: RE: BS: Blunt circumcision
From: Dave (the ancient mariner)
Date: 19 Aug 06 - 10:19 AM

Back in the time of the Samurai there was a powerful emperor. This emperor needed a new head Samurai so he sent out a message to one and all that he was searching for one. A year passes and only three people show up: a Japanese Samurai, a Chinese Samurai and a Jewish Samurai.

The emperor asks the Japanese Samurai to come in and demonstrate why he should be Head Samurai. The Japanese Samurai opens a match box and out pops a little fly. Whoosh goes his sword and the fly drops dead on the ground in two pieces. The emperor says, "That is very impressive!"

The emperor then asks the Chinese Samurai to come in and demonstrate. The Chinese Samurai opens a match box and out pops a fly. Whoosh whoosh. The fly drops dead on the ground in four pieces. "That is really impressive."

The emperor then has the Jewish Samurai demonstrate why he should be the head Samurai. The Jewish Samurai thinks, if it works for the other two, why not try. Whoooooooossshhh. A gust of wind fills the room, but the fly is still alive and buzzing around. The emperor asks in disappointment, "Why is the fly not dead?" The Jewish Samurai replies, "If you look closely, the fly has been circumcised!"