BS: 100% Agreement?

Subject: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: 3refs
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 07:42 AM

Much is said with regards to "You can't get everyone to agree".
Is there anything in the entire universe that everyone on this planet could agree on?

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: kendall
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 08:08 AM

Doubtful. In fact, we can't even agree on what to fight about.

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: Paul Burke
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 08:13 AM

Much is said with regards to "You can't get everyone to agree".

No it's not.

Is there anything in the entire universe that everyone on this planet could agree on?

No. Unless it's no to that question, in which case it's yes.

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: 3refs
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 08:14 AM

So, 100% of the people agree that we can't agree on what to fight about

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 08:18 AM

I'm sure there are a few things we could all agree on.

The train is not the right place for a loud cellphone call.

You can't nail jelly to the wall (if you freeze it to make it solid enough, it's too brittle)

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: Den
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 08:22 AM

I feel that it is my right to disagree with that Bunnahabhain.

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: JohnInKansas
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 08:24 AM

You can nail jelly to the wall if you mix it with a little less water so it's stiff and/or chill it until it's stiff enough, without freezing it. (It's easier with a horizontal or suitably inclined wall, of course.)

It would be unlikely today that you'd find a train (or anywhere else) where someone wasn't making a loud cellphone call, hence at least that idiot would disagree.

But who's arguing.

John

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: 3refs
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 08:31 AM

The question was "agree on", not "not agree on"!

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: 3refs
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 08:36 AM

So, I think that once proven beyond all doubt, 100% could agree that yes you can nail jello to the wall.

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 08:39 AM

Kathryn Tickell is gorgeous.

eric

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: GUEST,Nellie Clatt
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 08:45 AM

1. Mr Kipling makes exceedingly good cakes.

2. Mr Kipling is exceedingly irritating

3. Martin Gibson is an obnoxious pillock.

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: 3refs
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 08:51 AM

Something less complicated.

Using common measurements from both leagues. 100% of the people could agree that the field in the NFL is 100 yards and the field in the CFL is 105 yards long?

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: Rapparee
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 09:16 AM

I disagree with whatever you have said here and elsewhere, whether or not I agreed with it at the time, and I reserve the right to disagree wtih my disagreement and again agree with whatver I might have posted in other threads, including but not limited to this one.

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: Hollowfox
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 09:22 AM

JohninKansas, I think that horizontal walls are usually called "floors".

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: John O'L
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 09:45 AM

It seems we'll have to agree to disagree.

No, on second thought, I could never agree to that.

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: The Fooles Troupe
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 09:52 AM

"I think that horizontal walls are usually called "floors". "

Not by astronauts.

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: Peace
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 09:52 AM

"the field in the CFL is 105 yards long?"

The field in the CFL is 110 yards long.

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: Old Guy
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 10:04 AM

Damned right!

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: SINSULL
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 10:16 AM

Death is inevitable?

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 10:34 AM

No, you can get stuck forever in a Shambles censorship post, in an undying state, but wishing for it. Death is not inevitible.

It would be simple to achive 100% agreement on something, by defining various people as non-existant. I can't prove you exist, so it doesn't matter if you agree on not, you don't count...

Best of all, you don't even need the possibly non-existant entities agreement on this, or you'd then be listening to the little voices, and you don't want to do that until you know they're real.

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: pdq
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 10:40 AM

"horizontal walls are usually called 'floors'"

Is it too late to ask Donald O'Connor?

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: Pistachio
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 10:43 AM

I suspect that we'll all agree that Mudcat is a great space to be and those who run it should be thanked for their work. It is the ONLY site that I spend any time on. There are agreeable and disagreeable comments and threads and the option whether to ignore or join in is up to each individual!
Enough said. H

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: The Shambles
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 11:09 AM

If you encourage people to moan about find fault with and gossip about each other - they will.

For they will do this even if you discourage it.

Perhaps only a little less?

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: katlaughing
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 11:12 AM

We all have to breath air.

We will all die.

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 11:17 AM

Cogito ergo sum

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 12:27 PM

If the Sun were to suddenly start exhibiting characteristics consistent with those of a star about to undergo a catastrophic explosion, 100% of the population of the Earth would agree that we are all going to frigging die.

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 12:37 PM

A signifiacnt proportion wouldn't think of it as death, just the rapture arriving in an unexpected fashion...

But we seem to have arrived at a concensus that you could nail jelly to the wall, given that you are using extra thick, cool, jelly, are in space, and have a surface reasonable to call a wall that drive a nail into that will not result in the catastrophic failure of your space craft. And you have a hammer and nail.

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: akenaton
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 01:47 PM

Horizontal surfaces in a building are more often ceilings than floors..

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: Bill D
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 01:48 PM

I wouldn't even agree that the question can be asked clearly.

Most of these discussions devolve into semantic games.

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 01:53 PM

To "agree" on anything means all parties have to "think" about it first. That rules out a major chunk of the population (as exhibited by the results of the most recent presidental election--those voting for Bush were brain dead).

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 01:59 PM

I think it's always good to seek consensus, rather than majority rule. If an organization or government or whatever can do most things to fulfill the needs of all its members and not just the majority, that's the ideal. It takes more work to achieve consensus, but it's a far more stable foundation for doing just about anything.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: The Shambles
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 01:59 PM

I agree.

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: Bill D
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 02:03 PM

Besides, majority rule is an unstable process for many important ideas..Some things should not BE subjected to the whim of whoever gets 51% of the 'votes'. It leads to repression and unfairness.
(i.e., issues of 'church & state' or marriage laws)

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: Amos
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 02:06 PM

It is an unenlightened question that has no merit; it is simply not the way agreements work int he world.

A

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: gnu
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 05:03 PM

I tend to disagree.

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 05:10 PM

Sorry I know it's nothing to do with the thread, I live in Europe, can anyone tell me when Thanksgiving is in America ?

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: skipy
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 05:12 PM

Religeons will alway kill.
Skipy

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: jacqui.c
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 05:16 PM

November 23rd.

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: GUEST
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 05:17 PM

Many thanks Jacqui

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 05:34 PM

How do agreements work in the world, Amos? I have to say that deciding things by a simple majority doesn't work. It leads to discord and instability. In most situations, decisions work only if they also accommodate the needs of the minority.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: skipy
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 05:38 PM

The minority soon become perceived to be the majority due to the ammount of noise they make and the way the media lock onto them, and you know what I mean.
Smell coffee.
Skipy

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: Amos
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 05:39 PM

That simple question could prompt more than several screenfuls of reply, Joe, so I will spare you except to say that achieving 100% agreement on things is beyond the scope of possible permutations. Some people will even insist gravity doesn't work for them.

A

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: The Shambles
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 07:14 PM

You can get 100% agreement by holding a gun to everyone's head.

And as long as you can keep it there and prevent them from obtaining a gun also - you can keep their 100% agreement.

Or are you going to make my day and disagree?

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 07:52 PM

We could all agree to differ, but some people wouldn't.

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: frogprince
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 08:49 PM

"We will all die" (Kat)

Nope, you can find at least a substantial number of people who will disagree with that! Don't you know that the rapture is coming, and when it does, all the born'd agin folks will be zipped up alive to be with Yeshua!

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 09:12 PM

In a thread of a certain size, someone will is guarnteed to either ask a question that has been asked before, or answer one, not seeing that the same answer has already been posted. On that, can we agree?

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: JennyO
Date: 25 Oct 06 - 10:08 PM

There are some situations where 100% agreement is not sought or needed.

Our choir prides itself on being very democratic - we have meetings about everything, which sometimes leads to rather slow decision making. When we were touring the UK in minibuses a few years ago, one of our members who was one of the bus drivers, while getting increasingly impatient with all the different opinions about which route he should take one day (in spite of the fact that he had a navigator), put us in our places with this:

"DRIVING A BUS IS NOT A DEMOCRATIC PROCESS!!!"

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: The Shambles
Date: 26 Oct 06 - 01:52 AM

Driving in my car with my mother-in-law and wife on board is.

I refer to them as the 'steering committee'.

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 26 Oct 06 - 02:01 AM

Sisull should keep his opinions secret---

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: GUEST,Boab
Date: 26 Oct 06 - 02:01 AM

---and Boab is a friggin' rotten speller!

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 26 Oct 06 - 03:46 AM

Ain't no doubt in no ones mind, Love's the finest thing around

from In my mind I'm going to Carolina by James Taylor, although some bastards will tell you its not a folk song.

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: akenaton
Date: 26 Oct 06 - 03:52 AM

This thread goes to show there's no such thing as a FACT!!

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: Paul Burke
Date: 26 Oct 06 - 03:54 AM

Yes there is! If there's no such thing as fact, that's a fact.

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: 3refs
Date: 26 Oct 06 - 07:23 AM

Well done folks!

Yer right Peace, 110. I got lost at the 55 yrd line.

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: skipy
Date: 26 Oct 06 - 07:36 AM

F.A.C.t.
is:-
The federation against copyright theft!
Skipy

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: John O'L
Date: 26 Oct 06 - 09:14 AM

"Horizontal surfaces in a building are more often ceilings than floors"

I must take exception to this. There can be a floor without a ceiling but there can't be a ceiling without a floor, therefore more horizontal surfaces in buildings must be floors than ceilings.

Unless of course you are actually saying that a floor is more likely to be horizontal than a ceiling, in which case I acquiesce to your greater wisdom.
(But don't mistake acquiescence for agreement)

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: Amos
Date: 26 Oct 06 - 09:47 AM

Besides, how do you define level? I've seen floors and ceilings that you have to nauil things to to keep them from rolling down hill. And level relative to what?

A

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 26 Oct 06 - 10:11 AM

Level is easy to define: perpindicular to the local gravity field.

A perfect sphere, placed on such a frictionless, level surface wouldn't roll anywhere, unless outside forces ( ie someone pushing it) act upon it.

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: John O'L
Date: 26 Oct 06 - 06:30 PM

I thought 'level' refered to it being parallel with the surface of the sea, but I guess that's just saying the same thing differently...

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: autolycus
Date: 26 Oct 06 - 07:01 PM

Joe, what do YOU mean by consensus?


   Incidentally,the answer must be 'no'
if only because I sometimes disagree
with myself,(and I doubt if I'm unique
in that) just as some people call
themselves 'silly'.




    Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 26 Oct 06 - 07:29 PM

The sea surface isn't actually level, John. It is, on average, displaced several meters from the level it would otherwise take by ocean cuurents, and air pressure effects.

Actually defining sea level is a decent sized section in two of the textbooks behind me. It's quite hard to work out how sea level is changing, or where it was some time ago, without a better definition that this point on that rock....

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: John O'L
Date: 26 Oct 06 - 07:38 PM

Yeah, but whether it's higher or lower, it still should be level shouldn't it? I mean on average, or maybe I mean mathematically?

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 26 Oct 06 - 08:20 PM

I was trying to avoid writing an essay...

The sea is a geoid, ie a sphere flattened by about 40 km at the poles. Local variations in gravity alter this by up to +/- 100m. At this point, it is level, ie perpendicular to local gravity. Then air pressure disorts this another few meters.

It's just that the gravity distortion, and air pressure distortion are totally unconnected, and both are quite complicated patterns, so the net result is a mess...

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: John O'L
Date: 27 Oct 06 - 12:31 AM

OK, I get that the sea is in constant movement and the variables are too numerous to calculate, but for the purpose of defining a range within which a floor or ceiling could be said to be 'level', doesn't a spirit level supply an artificial sea-level horizon?

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: gnomad
Date: 27 Oct 06 - 03:50 AM

There are many buildings with sloping ceilings, there are some with sloping floors. In my experience the first outnumber the second.

Would people agree that water is wet, or that if you stop breathing for long enough you die?

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Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: Paul Burke
Date: 27 Oct 06 - 04:13 AM

No surface is level, or flat, if looked at with sufficient resolution. Apart from level, flat ones, that is.

Stopping breathing has been confirmed as causing death in many cases, but confirmatory instances are not proof.

Water is usually wet at the mammal skin/ water interface, but not at the ant chitin/ water interface.

There's an exception to every rule (except this one).

Subject: RE: BS: 100% Agreement?
From: The Shambles
Date: 27 Oct 06 - 05:39 AM

I am in 100% agreement.