BS: CAmpaign to Restore England

Subject: BS: CAmpaign to Restore England
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 01:23 PM

...or CARE for short.

Anyone out there want to get rid of the fetters of imperialist Britain? I have said in many a previous thread that England was Britains first colony but how many people realise that England, along with Scotland and Wales, ceased to exist as a political entity with the coming of the act of union in 1707. Ireland was not incorporated into the union until 1800.

It is well known that all the other member states of the United Kingdom have now got their own parliaments or assemblies and their political independance but England is still ruled by a British parliament and British monarch. Does anyone, like me, believe we would be better off without the British invaders? Are you fed up of being goverened by a set of outdated and outmoded antiquarian imperialist warmongers? Well then, lets do something about it!

Let's follow the Irish, Scots and Welsh and let them know that we will not be subject to foreign rule any longer. If necessary we will fight for out independance. Don't accept the old British laws. Don't stand for the British monarchy and don't let the bastards in Westminster rule your lives any more!

More to come later...

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: CAmpaign to Restore England
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 01:38 PM

Dave, you need to distinguish the union from the jurisdictions therein. England and Scotland have separate jurisprudence and some common statutes. The jurisdictions of England and Wales were merged by conquest after the defeat of Owen Glendower, but since the creation and commencement of operation of the Welsh Assembly there is statute law that is peculiar (if that is the word) to the Welsh. So the jurisdictions are not common.

Subject: RE: BS: CAmpaign to Restore England
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 01:43 PM

I'm not sure that I want Britain restored to anything it was in the past. Can we just be different and better to what we are now?

Subject: RE: BS: CAmpaign to Restore England
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 01:44 PM

Too complicated. If Prudence has been called for jury duty she'll just have to go on her own. Unless she is vital to the cause of English independance in which case we can write her a letter. And if the juries diction isn't as good as it should be it is probably to do with the bastardisation of the language.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: CAmpaign to Restore England
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 01:45 PM

Read the post, Al - Nowhere has it been suggested that anything British needs restoring. Just the opposite.

D.

Subject: RE: BS: CAmpaign to Restore England
From: Amos
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 03:02 PM

How peculiar. What are the institutions that comprise Britain, versus those you define as English? In my muddled and far-away mind the two are so closely intertwined as to make separation difficult, except that England seems to be a country which is the seat and founder of the British empire (or what remains thereof).

Please enlighten me.

A

Subject: RE: BS: CAmpaign to Restore England
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 03:26 PM

Britain is the island comprising of England, Scotland and Wales. The United Kingdom is an abbreviation of the United kingdoms of England, Scotland, Wales and Ireland as decreed in the 1707 and 1800 acts of union as said above. England is a seperate country with Wales to it's west and Scotland to it's north. It's very odd that, politicaly, you can be Irish, Scottish and Welsh, as well as being British, but you cannot be English. There is no such thing as an English parliament or assembly.

For my friends in the US you can liken it to the land mass North America. If, like the UK, someone decreed that it was all one political country then Canada and the US would cease to exist politicaly, being replaced by one 'super country'. Britain is that superset with England being the subset.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: CAmpaign to Restore England
From: Dead Horse
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 03:50 PM

Bring back the Romans, say I.
Cheap vino for all.
Pollution free transport.
Better roads.
What more could you want?

Subject: RE: BS: CAmpaign to Restore England
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 04:12 PM

Romans? What did they ever do for us?

:D (tG)

Subject: RE: BS: CAmpaign to Restore England
From: Amos
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 04:19 PM

You've already tried bread and circuses. It didn't work for you. And it is not working for us.

A

Subject: RE: BS: CAmpaign to Restore England
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 08 Dec 06 - 05:44 PM

Ah, c'mon. This is a serious thread...

I have even researched our new national anthem -

William Blake's 'Jerusalem'.

All nay-sayers welcome.

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: CAmpaign to Restore England
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Dec 06 - 05:27 AM

Campaign to REFRESH England?

:D

Subject: RE: BS: CAmpaign to Restore England
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 09 Dec 06 - 06:07 AM

Can we start with a campaign to liberate England from under the Concrete mixers? Before everywhere south of Newcastle ends up as a suburb of London would be good...

Subject: RE: BS: CAmpaign to Restore England
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 09 Dec 06 - 06:25 AM

Nationalism and nationalists scare me shitless. Care to cast your mind back over Nineteenth and particularly Twentieth century history? I don't think that, in our case, 'Balkanisation' is the answer.

Having said that I do believe that all of us Britons (I'm an English Briton) are seriously misruled at the moment and I think that that's because our political masters are in thrall to Big Business and would rather do their bidding than listen to the concerns of us voters and taxpayers. Whilst the response of many of my fellow Britons is to abdicate their responsibilities and not to exercise their vote, I don't see any way forward. Remember that voting AGAINST the party in power (and, of course, the Tories) is the most fundamental thing that you can do.

Subject: RE: BS: CAmpaign to Restore England
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Dec 06 - 08:34 AM

You may live in England, Shimrod, but politicaly there is no such thing as an English Briton:-( We have been misruled for more years that any of us can remember by the British government - Which is why I think we should give an English one a try. No nationism, no false patriotism (I'm less than half English!) just a fresh approach.

What have we got to loose but our oppressors?

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: CAmpaign to Restore England
From: Dead Horse
Date: 09 Dec 06 - 09:09 AM

And where would we align ourselves, religeously speaking, that is?
As a born again atheist, I personally would embrace Bacchus.
So how's about bringing back the romans then, huh?
Kick all those psuedo christians and muslims and god knows what else accross the water where they came from.

Subject: RE: BS: CAmpaign to Restore England
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Dec 06 - 12:10 PM

Mithras I reckon - But we should be a live and let live kind of folk and let the others do what they feel like as long as they do no harm:-)

Subject: RE: BS: CAmpaign to Restore England
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 09 Dec 06 - 12:44 PM

England's too big in any case. Bring back the Heptarchy.

Subject: RE: BS: CAmpaign to Restore England
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Dec 06 - 01:40 PM

Toyed with that, Kevin but I couldn't work out if I lived in Mercia or Northumbria! I think it was Mercia but they kept fighting each other and the boundries moved! What sex would Harlow be then?

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: CAmpaign to Restore England
From: Crane Driver
Date: 09 Dec 06 - 02:17 PM

Take a warning from Wales, Dave -

We set up our assembly so we wouldn't be governed by a bunch of arrogant, self-serving bastards in London - and now we're governed by a bunch of arrogant, self-serving bastards in Cardiff instead.

It's not the location or nationality of the bastards that counts. It's the fact that they're arrogant, self-serving bastards.

Nationalism is the bastards' way of keeping the rest of us at each others' throats instead of working together for social justice.

Andrew

Subject: RE: BS: CAmpaign to Restore England
From: Big Mick
Date: 09 Dec 06 - 03:43 PM

Wiser words were never spoken, Andrew. Proud to know you.

Mick

Subject: RE: BS: CAmpaign to Restore England
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 09 Dec 06 - 04:16 PM

Explain more. lots of things could take improvement Lots of things ought to be done away with.

Haven't the WI got Jerusalem as their song?

Subject: RE: BS: CAmpaign to Restore England
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 09 Dec 06 - 05:46 PM

Bugger. Never thought of that, Andrew. back to my benign dictatorship I guess.

Not sure what all this talk of nationalism is. How can there be nationalism for a nation that does not exist?

Aye, Al. The WI do have Jerusalem but I don't see whey we can't have it as well:-)

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: CAmpaign to Restore England
From: autolycus
Date: 10 Dec 06 - 07:04 AM

A lot of people have the strange idea that politicians are 'different', and therefore a 'them' to shoot at.

   Actuallly there is a part of every one of us that's a
self-serving bastard. It's just that we don't want to know
that, so we put it on the politicians to let ourelves off
the hook.

   So we get the politicians we deserve.


   And voting against,which I oft do,(I'm sorry to say) is,
alas, a very negative approach to life.

   Wonder what would happen if every voter was
       a)forced to vote
       b)and had to vote positively for whoever you really
wanted, irrespective of past voting history in one's
constituency.
   And rather than 'none of the above' (probably a good
idea but has the drawback of pure negativity), if none was
suitable, you'd have to write the label of who you'd have
voted for if they'd stood?


   


       Ivor

Subject: RE: BS: CAmpaign to Restore England
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Dec 06 - 07:23 AM

Politicains are different. They believe that they can run other peoples lives. Whether this is mis-guided or malicious is irrelevent. It still makes them mentaly unstable and therefore unsuitable for office.

And you can write a label saying who you would have voted for - It's called a spoilt vote. I do it all the time.

The best model is a monarchy and revolutionary proletariat. The mobnarch only continues to rule as long as they are getting it right. Get it wrong to often and up comes the revolution and chops their heads off. The biggest mistake people make then is putting in politicians. They should just put some other poor bugger who doesn't wnat to do it in charge. Until they get it worng...

:D (tG)

Subject: RE: BS: CAmpaign to Restore England
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 10 Dec 06 - 09:01 AM

Contemporary politicians are people who institute short-term, and often unecessary, 'reforms' in order to further their own careers. If those reforms prove to be, at some time in the future, counter-productive those politicians are seldom held accountable. This is why such things as public transport, education, the health service etc., etc. are in such a mess. Separating England off from the rest of the UK would have no effect on this problem whatsoever.

Subject: RE: BS: CAmpaign to Restore England
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Dec 06 - 11:38 AM

Aye - probably true, Shimrod, but I don't think it would be counter productive either. At least we would have no-one to blame but ourselves. At the moment we can complain that a load of Scotsmen are cocking it up for us!

The reform needs to be hand in hand with the re-introduction of an autocratic monarchy, accountable to the people and, literaly, putting their heads on the block:-)

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: CAmpaign to Restore England
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 10 Dec 06 - 04:05 PM

as long as I don't have to do the head chopping.....I always get the crap jobs, whatever the regime.

Subject: RE: BS: CAmpaign to Restore England
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 10 Dec 06 - 04:16 PM

I quite fancy that job mysen, Al, tell me who to chop an' I'll give it me best...

Subject: RE: BS: CAmpaign to Restore England
From: Geordie-Peorgie
Date: 10 Dec 06 - 06:39 PM

By the cringe!!! Ye' can learn some serious stuff in this end of the cafe!

As a native Northumbrian (NOT born in Tyne and Wear, but in Northumberland) aah aalwez thought that apart from Birmingham and a bit of Cornwall we wez aall of one kin!

How wrong can ye be!!

Subject: RE: BS: CAmpaign to Restore England
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 11 Dec 06 - 09:11 AM

Did you know that our beloved Mr B is going all out for regional assemblies? Sounds like we may get the heptarchy back after all!

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: CAmpaign to Restore England
From: GUEST,Davetnova
Date: 11 Dec 06 - 09:52 AM

Then can we have our language back. "English was the official language of the Scottish court for 200 years before it was the official language of the "English" one.

Subject: RE: BS: CAmpaign to Restore England
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 11 Dec 06 - 09:55 AM

Is he? I though that partcular stupid project was Prescotts baby, and deader than the dodo.

Of course,an idea being pointless, expensive and hugely unpopular hasn't stipped Blair and pals before...

Subject: RE: BS: CAmpaign to Restore England
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 11 Dec 06 - 03:32 PM

give Cornwall home rule.

Subject: RE: BS: CAmpaign to Restore England
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Dec 06 - 04:05 AM

I think the south west is one of the mentioned assemblies, Tom. But like Bunnahabhain says it seems to have fell off the political agenda - I thought it was new but I was reading some old reports. Apologies for any confusion caused by my mis-report!

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: CAmpaign to Restore England
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 12 Dec 06 - 08:32 AM

that is all right

Subject: RE: BS: CAmpaign to Restore England
From: Paul Burke
Date: 12 Dec 06 - 09:10 AM

Is the heptarchy enough though Dave? I can't imagine that Devon, Somerset and Cornwall would want to be a region, and Cornwall certainly wouldn't want to be in Wessex. As for Lancashire and Yorkshire! Cumberland and Westmoreland were probably part of Strathclyde, and Lancashire was swapped regularly between Northumbria and Mercia, but no one cared much because it was all uninhabited bog and moor anyway. But would Liverpool want to be in the same kingdom as Manchester? Bolton with Wigan? Walkden with Little Hulton? Pendleton with Weaste? Maybe a Centarchy would be better, and would provide employment for some of those royals way down the succession.

Subject: RE: BS: CAmpaign to Restore England
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Dec 06 - 09:10 AM

Good idea about Cornwall! perhaps we could get Yorkshire to bu.gger off as well....

Subject: RE: BS: CAmpaign to Restore England
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 12 Dec 06 - 12:32 PM

Home rule for Irlams o'th height!

:D (tG)

Subject: RE: BS: CAmpaign to Restore England
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 Dec 06 - 02:43 PM

I have always thought it would be a good idea if we could move Scotland further south. after all its a bit out of the way where it is, and nobody much goes there. The Scots are wonderful people who make shortbread in attractive tins, and whisky and some of them wear kilts.

these would make much better neighbours than all those Yorkshire people who try and flog you rubbish food in Meadowhall food court.

granted there a lot of mountains and lochs in Scotland. But if we got MacAlpines in, they could take a steam hammer to the mountains, roll the rubble down the mountainside into the lakes until they were full - thus eventually creating pleasant building land for 4 bedroom bungalows.

Just imagine that, instead of Loch ness you could have a fine town like Chesterfield with a Travel Lodge, a JB Sports, and Pizza Hut.

Subject: RE: BS: CAmpaign to Restore England
From: GUEST,Lucius
Date: 13 Dec 06 - 03:37 AM

We live in Elmet, the buffer state between Mercia and Northumbria. Periodically King Penda and hordes of heathen Brummies come up the M6 to attempt to take our land off us. The Christian Northumbrians come down the A1 to oppose them - on our ground. Its not good - horse crap and broken spears all over the place, and you can't move for bloody missionaries - brummie wiccans and geordie christians brainwashing our kids at every ford. All we want is to be left alone to get on with our allotments.

(The Romano-Celtic kingdom of Elmet was finally absorbed after bloody battles into Northumbria around 650 AD)

the missionaries are still here

Subject: RE: BS: CAmpaign to Restore England
From: Paul Burke
Date: 13 Dec 06 - 03:57 AM

Now if Elmet had allied itself with Shields and Swords they might have stood a chance.

Subject: RE: BS: CAmpaign to Restore England
From: growler
Date: 13 Dec 06 - 05:20 PM

Good to hear the news from Lucius. Also when the Romans left the Cumri wre in the North west, Cumbria, so why do they insist in speaking Welsh in Wales

Subject: RE: BS: CAmpaign to Restore England
From: Paul Burke
Date: 14 Dec 06 - 03:58 AM

So they can talk about us behind our backs.

Subject: RE: BS: CAmpaign to Restore England
From: GUEST,Lucius
Date: 14 Dec 06 - 04:05 AM

Hi Growler

It's quite simple. We all used to speak Welsh (except when the very occasional real italian roman turned up to check progress on tax gathering). When the romans let us go, those of us who were really attached to our own valleys decided to go with the flow as it were and blend in with whatever mix of culture future waves of invasion and imigration might yield. The diehards who wanted to stay welsh buggered off to the western desert now known as Wales.

Nearly fifteen hundred years later we're still here, blending in with the current crop of "offcumduns" and humouring them by going along with their particular cutural whims. Underneath we're still what we always were and privately enjoying the beauty of our valleys hills and moors (and music).

Lucius

Subject: RE: BS: CAmpaign to Restore England
From: GUEST,Lucius
Date: 15 Dec 06 - 03:34 AM

Sorry, that should have been "Dear Paul..."