BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.

Subject: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 09:47 AM

In regard to a point raised on another thread this afternoon I feel it's best answered in a thread all of it's own, as I don't wish to see yet another thread drift as happens all too often when Keith or Teribus arrives.

As many of you are aware I have been involved with a team of International lawyers over the past two years looking into evidence of British security forces collusion in the North of Ireland.


The evidence they found implicates the British security forces in direct collusion in 74 out of 76 murders. Their report is only the latest of many other reports which implicate the British government and its agents in the murder of our people.

Similar conclusions have been found by Barron Cory, Stalker, Stevens and others.

If we were to consider the scale of these atrocities, the refusal of the British government to instigate public inquiries and the lengths that they go to obstruct the course of justice we would have to ask what role they could play and how they could be trusted to deliver in the Irish peace process itself.

And the plans to increase the role of MI5 rather than confine these spooks to history would be their decisive and defining answer.

We might wonder also how a member country of the European Union which boasts so loudly about its democratic traditions can engage to such an extent in the selective murder of people who they claim as their own citizens - and on such a scale - and steadfastly refuse to investigate properly the mounting evidence which links them to the bombing and shooting of citizens in a member state.

If we were to consider all of this and the public statements and admissions of their informants and spies, then we are looking at criminality of iceberg proportions.

And it won't be shifted by the evasions of their chief of police. The arrogance of their secretary of state or the deafening silence of the entire British political constituency.

That these are the type of human rights abuses which this same government uses to justify its illegal war in Iraq.

We now have the PSNI sponsored "Historical Inquiries Team".

This team is not independent but a unit of the PSNI which must itself be investigated as a major player in these atrocities.

And they informed us that they can only track down 1,577 RUC files from 3,268 deaths. There was no RUC or PSNI central registry until recently.

Files were stored in police stations, officers could take them home and some were destroyed.

And as for collusionitself, the rules and guidelines under which the Historical Inquiries Team operates prohibits them from investigating any murders where there is alleged collusion !

Such cases must be dealt with by another team in London called the "White Team".

It goes without saying that none of this amounts to a genuine attempt at creating justice and closure for grieving relatives but rather a cover up of this catalogue of murder and a disgusting contempt for the rights of the families.

There is widespread agreement that neither the political process nor the peace process itself can succeed until the policing issue is resolved.

I had expressed hope that the policing issue could have been resolved by the end of this year, sadly it won't be. The policing issue cannot be resolved until the police themselves and all the armed groups that the British have sent over to us in the guise of peacekeepers are brougt to account for the crimes they have committed, and until adequate legislation is introduced to guarantee their accountability in the future.

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 10:08 AM

Well, I'll say it before Keith comes on & rightly takes issue with the accusation of him causing thread drift, just to take some of the inevitable flak off him.

How anyone can see Teribus & Keith (or Dave the Gnome, as happened on another thread) amazes me....clearly it can only be that Teribus' threads are so long & laboured that nobody reads them & thus cant see the difference.

I'm aware of the irony of this when addressing the issue of thread creep, & apologise.

Other than that Divis, & your line about "all the armed groups that the British have sent over to us in the guise of peacekeepers are brougt to account for the crimes they have committed" that, for what my opinion is worth, was a very fair & reasonable post on a most difficult topic.

Again, apologes for taking this thread off-track for a moment.

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 10:57 AM

Gah... messed up that post!

the 2nd & 3rd 'paragraphs' should read:

How anyone can see postings from Teribus & Keith (or Dave the Gnome, as happened on another thread)in the same way amazes me....clearly it can only be that Teribus' threads are so long & laboured that nobody reads them & thus cant see the difference.

I'm aware of the irony of this post when addressing the issue of thread creep, & apologise....

Sorry...

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 11:01 AM

Absolutely agree, Divis. I'm not sure of Paul's post - why is it amazing that anyone can see me? ;-)

I wait for the day when all this hits the fan and the people who were responsible get covered in it. Unfortunately I can't see it happening but if there is anything I can do to help just say the word. I have already written to my MP (The up and coming Blair babe, Hazel Blears) about disarming Loyalist para-militaries. Do you think a note about this will do any good? Or does it need taking to the EU commission on human rights? What is the best plan do you think?

I can unfortunately see a loop hole which I suspect will let them off the hook. The Republican factions always insisted that there was a war and the active soldiers in that war should be treated as such. How many of the 74 murders were of Republican soldiers in that war and therefore a fair target? Don't get me wrong - I am not saying this is an excuse - but will the authorities not insist that if it is a war then soldiers do get killed? By whatever means?

This still leaves of course the ones who were not Republican soldiers anyway - and even one of those is too many. Maybe it would be a good tack to choose one or two cases who were completely outside the remit of the war for a class law suit? Just a thought.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 11:06 AM

Well put Dave!

(& I hope my clarification clears up any difficulty I appear to have in seeing someone of your small stature...*G*)

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 11:55 AM

Any member of the Provisional IRA who was killed(armed)on active service understood the risks. None of the on going inquiries I spoke of in this thread involved anyone killed on active service.

What we are looking at here are murders of unarmed civilians from both republican and nationalist backgrounds (some from loyalist backgrounds too)by forces paid and legally bound to uphold the law.

If there was a policy of bringing people to "the final court of human justice" why don't they come out and say so ?

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 03:19 PM

Jaysus someone give that man a 10,000 piece puzzle for christmas.

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: Shaneo
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 03:26 PM

The recent report into the Dublin and monaghan bombings state that the British army was involved ,This was an official Irish government inquiry that labeled the then British government as murderers ,I often wonder why when this kind of report comes out that the people responsible are not brought to justice.
A government that gives the go ahead to a paramilatary organisation to bomb innocent civilians are as guilty as the ones who planted the bombs .
This mass murder was carried out to force the Irish government into the introduction of internment without trial.

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 03:30 PM

OK then how about a rubik cube?

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 03:39 PM

Barring that - Haven't a Cludo?

or some other Whodunnit?

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 03:43 PM

It was Colonel Mustard! Don't know which regiment he was in but all the evidence points to him. After all he is English!

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 03:57 PM

Shaneo, if you haven't already read the book "Dublin and monaghan bombings" it's worth a read. The dogs on the street know the ones who carried out the bombings. Two of those involved in the bombings lived in my area, both are now dead.

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: Shaneo
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 04:07 PM

Divis I have the book in front of me,,I bought it from Joe Tiernan the author at my front door .He put his own life at risk while researching the book , I recall he told me at the time that the book was the subject of some court case involving Granada television so I don't know if it ever went on general release.
Joe Tiernan is one brave man.
The bombs were primed just a stones throw from where I used to live.

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 04:35 PM

Great there's two of them - get the chess out.

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 04:40 PM

Guest, don't be bloody juvenile.

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 04:45 PM

Paul, please allow him his pleasure he's good craic.

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 04:52 PM

*G* youre right Divis...after all its hardly worthy of our reaction at all. certainly in the light of what he's so dismissive of.

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 05:15 PM

Paul if you can't play nicely you won't be invited over again. Twister anyone?

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: Alison M
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 07:09 PM

Dave the gnome, you said "I have already written to my MP (The up and coming Blair babe, Hazel Blears) about disarming Loyalist para-militaries." This is a good point. I had also mentioned that loyalists should decommission all of their arms, etc. on another Websites, but someone replied back to me and said it would not be in favour for loyalists to decommission as they would not achieve their adjectives. Sorry Divis to wonder off your subject here for a moment as I think loyalists should decommission to show they want peace too.

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 07:13 PM

Oh no a laydeeee - soggy biscuit it isn't then.

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: Alison M
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 07:20 PM

Guest, haven't you got anything else better to do than follow Divis around in this forum? You should have been on the Website FAIR because you missed all the fun going on there, as the loyalists were scolding each other on there today.

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 07:48 PM

Fun you say? Well you're in the right place. Your turn at the mike.

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 07:58 PM

I'm from the states (Irish American), and don't know much about this, but I've heard 2-3 radio interviews with men (Ingram, Gallagher, Fulton? Can't recall the names). And these two former British intelligence agents said they infiltrated and carried out bombings in Northern Ireland. Any of this sound familiar? Can't find the articles or interviews now.

Curiously, right after September 11, 2001, the IRA claimed they were going to lay down arms, etc., and in America that was presented on our news as proof that a "strong" president would get worldwide results. But the men I heard interviewed said the situation was changing in Ireland because British agents were going public.

Bottom line, the men I heard interviewed backed each other up with credible information. And they said the British government has false flag terrorism to continue the "Irish problem" for decades.

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 08:00 PM

correction -- "has USED false flag terrorism..."

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 08:43 PM

god here we go again

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Dec 06 - 10:31 PM

Is this addressed in another thread? Please direct me to it. This is an area of interest to me. We have a similar problem in the U.S. Thank you.

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 08:04 AM

No Keith or Teribus ?

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 08:30 AM

No Guest, I know nothing of this.
I would be surprised if there were no low level collusion.
I will be surprised if high level collusion is proved.
There may be persuasive evidence and important believers, but there is for aliens landing at Roswell, for no airliner hitting Pentagon, for the collapse of the towers being caused by explosives, for MI5 killing Diana, no moonlandings etc.
I think it may be another conspiracy theory.
If it is true I condemn it utterly and will be glad to see the guilty locked up.
If I had evidence i would give it to the police myself.
Sweeney, will you tell the police what you know about the murder of Jean McConville and other atrocities?

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 09:45 AM

Anything to do with the point in question, Keith. Are you saying that the murder of poor Mrs McConville is somehow connected to British collusion with murderers? Or maybe that the British government staged that one as well? Surely that is taking the conspiracy theory a bit too far isn't it?

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 09:57 AM

No Dave.
I was pointing up a difference between Sweeney's position and mine.
I would condemn and help to convict if I could crimes on both sides.

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 10:49 AM

As long as they aren't soldiers LOL

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 11:20 AM

All.

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: Teribus
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 12:28 PM

Singularly "On Topic"

Divis Sweeney's opening post is as disingenuous and riddled with contradictions and outrageous hypocrisy.

"As many of you are aware I have been involved with a team of International lawyers over the past two years looking into evidence of British security forces collusion in the North of Ireland."

Well we can only take your word for it. I would have thought, however, as you, and your team of International lawyers, are still at the gathering, sorry, looking at evidence stage, that at least one of them would have had the experience and savvy to advise you against going into print on an internet forum to discuss the matter.

"The evidence they found implicates the British security forces in direct collusion in 74 out of 76 murders. Their report is only the latest of many other reports which implicate the British government and its agents in the murder of our people."

"Their Report" as you provide no link or reference to it, can say whatever you want it to say. Do you honestly expect me, or anyone else, just to take your word for it??

"Implicates the British Security Forces", these is not the words a lawyer would use, they are not specific enough Judge Peter Cory in his report identifies sources of possible and probable collusion individually.

In 2001 agreement regarding inquiries into six "high profile" cases (including the Finucane case) was reached, provided sufficient indicative evidence was shown to exist. Apart from the Finucane case there are three others in the North of Ireland and two in Ireland. The Finucane case will be subject to an Inquiry that is beyond doubt. The form and conduct has yet to be finalised, the setting up of the Inquiry was initially delayed to complete the police investigation and prosecution of the man responsible for Finucanes death. This trial was concluded in 2004 and a sentence of 22 years resulted, under the terms of the Good Friday Agreement of course it is highly unlikely that 22 years or anything like that will be served. They are now in the process of setting up what form the Inquiry will take and who will conduct it. Senior British Government Officials are discussing this with Judge Peter Cory at present, at least that is what he reported to the US State Department.

The other investigations referred to by Divis:
Barron - 1974 Dublin-Monaghan Bombings
Cory – 1989 Finucane Murder plus the five other cases
Stalker – Irrelevant he investigated the Shoot-to-Kill Policy not collusion
Stevens – Investigated the murders of Lambert and Finucane

The similar conclusions reached tend to indicate individual and unit collusion there is, at present, little or no evidence to suggest that such collusion came about as a directive from senior levels.

As reported to the State Department of the United States of America by Judge Peter Cory, Britain has agreed to conduct Inquiries where independent preliminary investigation shows indications that evidence exists. This tends to directly contradict Divis Sweeney's statement that the British Government has refused to instigate public inquiries and considering the number of investigations that have been carried out somewhat belies the charge of obstructing the course of justice. Maybe Divis can explain McGuinness's qualifications on testimony before the Bloody Sunday Inquiry, or the lack of co-operation on the part of the PIRA into the Omagh Bombing - that's obstruction of justice Divis.

Who or what organization is charged with looking after the Internal Security and Intelligence affairs of the United Kingdom will be decided by the British Government and no-one else.

Divis announces that – "We now have the PSNI sponsored "Historical Inquiries Team".

And that team has the task of investigating the following:

"Its sole job is to re-examine all deaths attributable to the security situation here between 1968 and 1998."

According to this these guys will have their work cut out for them. Deaths between 14th July 1969 and 31st December 2001 were attributed and claimed as follows:

British Security Forces - 362
Irish Security Forces - 5
Loyalist Paramilitaries - 1020
Republican Paramilitaries – 2056
Unknown/Unattributed – 80

Hey Divis - Republican Paramilitaries – 2056 – WOW, at least you can tell this team about the gun that killed 14 year old Kathleen Feeney, and possibly help them bring her killer to book, as you and he were "brothers in arms". Hey Divis being neighbours you may even know one of the four women and eight men that dragged Jean McConville out of her bath on the 12th December 1972 - Jean's eldest daughter Helen knows four of them.

Another of Divis's contentions with regard to the Historical Enquiries Team was – "This team is not independent but a unit of the PSNI which must itself be investigated as a major player in these atrocities."

Well here's what they (The Historical Enquiries Team) has to say about it: "The Historical Enquiries Team will be staffed by police officers and civilian staff recruited both within Northern Ireland and externally. Command will rest with officers from outside the Police Service of Northern Ireland but who have gained experience of Northern Ireland issues.
It will have two distinct Review and Investigation teams. Exclusively externally seconded officers from other UK police services and An Garda Siochana will staff one team whilst the second will be made up from locally recruited staff."

Now this thing about the number of files and deaths, is presented in such a way as to make the reader think what? That the RUC deliberately misplaced 1691 case files? While I was taking a look at conviction statistics and details for another thread I saw something similar regarding complaints against the police I think it went something like 2600-odd reports covering 4000-odd complaints – Explanation is simple 1 report can cover more than one complaint – as 1 file can cover more than 1 death. But Divis would know that as his "lads" were normally responsible for the really big "mass hysteria" events during the period in question. Unfortunately the period covered HET investigations will not cover Omagh, I say unfortunately as then Divis and his "brothers in arms" could shed some light on that in a genuine attempt at creating justice and closure for grieving relatives. Up to now the organisation of which he is so inordinately proud have shown disgusting contempt for the rights of the families everywhere.

Give us some references so that others on this forum can make their minds up about your so-called "White Team". Or is this the Review side of the set up that I've described above who are in charge of the whole HET set up, made up entirely of outsiders and commanded by Cdr David Cox (ex-Metropolitan Police). Now let's have a little recap here Divis:

You have no problem with the impartiality of Stalker (UK Chief Constable)

You have no problem with the impartiality of Stevens (UK Police Commissioner Metropolitan Police)

So what's your problem with Cox?? What is it that causes you to say that, ". none of this amounts to a genuine attempt at creating justice and closure for grieving relatives but rather a cover up of this catalogue of murder and a disgusting contempt for the rights of the families".

Well Divis, I tell you what, we'll see how this goes, and when it does come to a, "genuine attempt at creating justice and closure for grieving relatives" your lot can come clean with regard to Jean McConville, proclaim to the world that she was NOT an informer, that she was completely innocent, and that your boss Gerry Adams ordered/approved her abduction, torture and murder. Quite a lot of relatives there Divis, after all she had ten children, who you and your neighbours just turned their backs on 34 years ago come Christmas. Your lads, or their spokesmen can then toddle along and accept due process at the International War Crimes Court – two prospective charges in relation to Jean McConville's murder await.

With regard to your obvious disgust at a, "…catalogue of murder and a disgusting contempt for the rights of the families". What were those figures again - Republican Paramilitaries – 2056. Maybe you and your colleagues should have got disgusted a bit earlier, sometime around 1968, there would 3000-odd more Irishmen and women alive now if you had.

I trust that HET will do it's job – It is high time that ALL concerned were brought to account for the crimes that they committed:
Deaths between 14th July 1969 and 31st December 2001 were attributed and claimed as follows:

British Security Forces - 362
Irish Security Forces - 5
Loyalist Paramilitaries - 1020
Republican Paramilitaries – 2056
Unknown/Unattributed – 80

PS Divis: No-one was ever sent over in the guise of peacekeepers. All troops sent over were sent to "Aid the Civil Power", there is a great deal of difference.

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 12:52 PM

Brilliant! If I wore a hat I would take it off to you.

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 12:59 PM

Fair enough, Teribus. I still think it is worth investigating though. IF the British government did colude in these murders someone needs to be brought to justice for it. I think to say that all deaths need to be investigated is a bit wrong. I could be barking up the wrong tree here but wouldn't bringing the PIRA soldiers to trial be akin to trying members of, for instance, the French or Polish resistance after WW11? The official oppressors in that case, IE Nazi Germany, were held attributable for their crimes but murders and acts of sabotage by the resistance were lauded as a good thing? Just my opinion of course but I do think that there is something very wrong with Government backed murder. I agree that it does need proving of course as innocence should be assumed until proven otherwise.

Cheers

DtG

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 01:28 PM

these people are stuck in the past and cannot look towards the future.
so just leave them there, stick the Republican and Loyalists on an island and then the rest of the world will live 'happyly ever after.

Happy Christmas

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 02:14 PM

Er, they are stuck on an island Tom.

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 02:19 PM

Straight jacket required for our friend and member dear old Teribus.
He insulted the people of Balham here in London and called them all sorts of names. Teribus are they not English ?

So Ireland and Balham are all full of bad people then Teribus, what about the Welsh or Scots ?

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: Shaneo
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 02:21 PM

Yep stuck on an island , with the fastest growing economy in Europe and being the third richest country in the world per capita ,


Not a bad place to be.

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 02:24 PM

I so wanted to say that myself Keith!

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: Tom Hamilton frae Saltcoats Scotland
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 02:48 PM

in the middle of the ocean I mean a desert island.

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 02:49 PM

Then why shaneo does it also have the fastest rises in racist and homophobic attacks, especially racist attacks on children and also an escalating drug problem that is pushing the tiles off the roof?

Why can it not enjoy its upsurge economically and stop injuring anyone who doesn't wear the correct shade of skin?

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: Teribus
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 09:10 PM

GUEST - 19 Dec 06 - 02:19 PM

"Straight jacket required for our friend and member dear old Teribus.
He insulted the people of Balham here in London and called them all sorts of names. Teribus are they not English ?

So Ireland and Balham are all full of bad people then Teribus, what about the Welsh or Scots ?"

Once again I will ask you to provide any evidence of the above.

Please quote any postpost of mine where I have, "INSULTED THE PEOPLE OF BALHAM AND CALLED THEM ANY SORTS OF NAMES"

If, as I know for certain you cannot do this, then dear Guest please with the best will in the world please fuck off, fuck you and the horse you rode in on - You know damn well that you cannot provide one shred of evidence to substantiate your outrageous accusations.
The ball is now firmly in your court - Please "Cut and Paste" any post of mine that substantiates your claim - If you cannot do so within the next 24 hours please have honesty and integrity to admit as much and never post here again.

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: Teribus
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 09:18 PM

Shaneo - 19 Dec 06 - 02:21 PM

"the third richest country in the world per capita"

Eh Shaneo, I actually happen to live in the third richest country in the world , and guess what it ain't fuckin' Ireland. Without EU subsidies Ireland would be lost. Let's hear your counter arguement on that.

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: Teribus
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 09:33 PM

Eh? by the bye Lads you've all gone miles off topic just to attack me - And quite frankly I couldn't give a toss - because I certainly did not de-rail the train - but note that, as usual when confronted with fact, the Oul' Republican Cause is fuckin' speechless - No counter arguement whatsoever. Big surprise!!!

Hey guys points made - Awaiting your response

What were the figures again:

British Security Forces - 362
Irish Security Forces - 5
Loyalist Paramilitaries - 1020
Republican Paramilitaries – 2056
Unknown/Unattributed – 80

Come on, all you "Noble Sons of Erin" all you "Plastic Paddys" over there in the good old US of A - Justify those figures. Tell me just exactly how and why those people had to die.

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: Teribus
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 09:35 PM

Clocks runnin' GUEST - 19 Dec 06 - 02:19 PM

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: Teribus
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 09:43 PM

Clocks still runnin' GUEST - 19 Dec 06 - 02:19 PM

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: Teribus
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 09:49 PM

Hey BALHAM haven't heard anthing from you yet

Anything by way of fact to offer at all???

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: Teribus
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 10:08 PM

Jaysus the silence is deafening

Subject: RE: BS: British Collusion. The North of Ireland.
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Dec 06 - 10:24 PM

Does he always talk to himself like this?