Beyond 'Under the Double Eagle'

Subject: Beyond 'Under the Double Eagle'
From: Cool Beans
Date: 26 Dec 06 - 03:20 PM

The great thing about "Under the Double Eagle" as a flatpicking solo is that you play melody and chords, whereas so many good flatpicking tunes are primarily melody and you need a second guitar for the chords.
So I'm looking for more good melody-and-chord solo tunes to learn on the guitar. "Under the Double Eagle" is a march so I'm thinking that other marches might fill the bill.
Any suggestions? Thanks in advance.

Subject: RE: Beyond 'Under the Double Eagle'
From: iancarterb
Date: 26 Dec 06 - 03:25 PM

American Patrol and Semper Fidelis are pretty good for starters.

Subject: RE: Beyond 'Under the Double Eagle'
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 26 Dec 06 - 04:13 PM

An old friend, Roger Sutcliffe, plays a tune called Under the Rubber Eagle. Dedicated to Kentucky Fried Chicken.
Quack!
Gtd.

Subject: RE: Beyond 'Under the Double Eagle'
From: Joe Offer
Date: 26 Dec 06 - 04:39 PM

For the record, Under the Double Eagle was composed by Josef Franz Wagner. I found banjo tab for it here (click), which has the following information about the tune:

written in 1903 by Josef Franz Wagner (1856-1908), a military bandmaster and composer who was known as the "Austrian March King." The title is in reference to the double eagle in the coat of arms of the Austro-Hungarian empire. "Under the Double Eagle" was recorded three times by John Philip Sousa.

I woulda thought it was an American tune about an American eagle, but little do I know. Let's hear it for the Hapsburgs!!!!
There's a MIDI here (click) - and a nice band arragngement MIDI here (click). There's a really classy arrangement at Sibelius.com - but you have do download their free SCORCH ActiveX control (well worth your while).
-Joe-

Subject: RE: Beyond 'Under the Double Eagle'
From: Sorcha
Date: 26 Dec 06 - 04:48 PM

Friend of mine used to go from Under the Double into Wildwood Flower (played fast..same tempo as Eagle)

Subject: RE: Beyond 'Under the Double Eagle'
From: Joe Offer
Date: 26 Dec 06 - 05:16 PM

I was wondering if there was a connection between Franz Josef Wagner and Richard Wagner (1813–1883). The only Franz Josef I could find is currently employed as a columnist for Axel Springer Verlag. I dunno.... maybe the same guy, hey? Richard was a darling of the extreme right, as is Axel Springer....

-Joe-

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I found a brief biography of Franz Josef at marchdb.net:

Josef Franz Wagner

20 March 1856 - 5 June 1908

Austria

“The Austrian March King”

Josef Franz Wagner was born in Vienna, the son of a doctor.

As a boy he sang in the choir at the Alterchen-Kirche and studied music under its director. Later he studied at the mmonastery school of Seidenstetten. After he graduated from Seidenstetten he studied harmony, instrumentation and composition with Johann Emrich Hasel. He also studied at the Royal Military Institute in Kaschau.

After finishing his studies joined the army. After spending several years with the 23rd regiment, became the bandmaster of the 47th Infantry Regiment in Trient in 1878, 22 years old. He led the band for 14 years until 1892, it was then considered the finest band in the Austrian army.

After leaving the 47th Regiment, he joined the 49th Regiment which at the time was located in Vienna.

In 1899 he left the army to start his own band. It gained popularity fast in Austria.

Josef Franz Wagner died in 1908, 52 years old.

He composed over 400 works. In addition to marches he also composed waltzes, concertos, and songs.

Subject: RE: Beyond 'Under the Double Eagle'
From: Cool Beans
Date: 26 Dec 06 - 05:49 PM

Another Teutonic contributor to what we consider our folk music is Johann Fischer (German, 1670-1746), composer of "Fisher's Hornpipe" (really, "Fischer's Hornpipe"), an excellent tune to flatpick. Don't know anything about Johann's politics.

Subject: RE: Beyond 'Under the Double Eagle'
From: Cluin
Date: 26 Dec 06 - 06:22 PM

I go from "Wildwood Flower" into "Under the Double Eagle" and then sing "Columbus Stockade Blues" then maybe "Freight Train" (the Libba Cotton one) if my fingers aren't too tired by then (rarely).... all in key of C (though usually capoed 2nd fret).

A few others to look at: A Fool Such As I, I Don't Hurt Anymore, Blue Moon of Kentucky, Folsom Prison Blues, and a Willie P. Bennett instrumental called "Summer Dreams, Winter Sleep" (I usually use that one as a warm-up tune to limber up the fingers).

Subject: RE: Beyond 'Under the Double Eagle'
From: Cluin
Date: 26 Dec 06 - 06:24 PM

Oh, and "You Belong to Me" (Chilton Price)

Subject: RE: Beyond 'Under the Double Eagle'
From: NH Dave
Date: 26 Dec 06 - 07:03 PM

Friend of mine from Northern California used to follow those two standbys with La Chamorita, a Spanish or Basque song that the local sheep herders used to play in his area when he was young. I wasn't able to find any more on it at Google.

Dave

Subject: RE: Beyond 'Under the Double Eagle'
From: tenn_jim
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 09:27 AM

A great old flatpicking song with both chords and melody that I play is "sunnyside of the mountain".

Subject: RE: Beyond 'Under the Double Eagle'
From: Mark Ross
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 09:59 AM

There's a great banjo version by Stephen Wade on CATCHING THE MUSIC, which can be found at www.folkstreams.net. Steve learned it from Kirk McGhee.

Mark Ross

Subject: RE: Beyond 'Under the Double Eagle'
From: GUEST,Jim
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 12:27 PM

Try: Home Sweet Home, Bully Of The Town, Jesse James, Little Birdie, Steel Guitar Rag, Down By The Willow Garden, Free From The Chain Gang Now, What Are They Doing In Heaven Today, Wreck Of The Old 97, The FFV...
These and a lot of Carter Family and Norman Blake songs/tunes can be played using the Carter family/old time style of playing melody and chords. Maybelle played with thumb and finger-nails, but a similar sound can be achieved with a flat pick.

Subject: RE: Beyond 'Under the Double Eagle'
From: open mike
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 04:13 PM

about Chamorita,the term for the
culture and language of Guam is
chimorro or chamorro, so
there may besome connection there.
http://www.chamorro.com/

Subject: RE: Beyond 'Under the Double Eagle'
From: Bee-dubya-ell
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 05:28 PM

Many D fiddle tunes that are commonly flatpicked single-string style can be played in the style to which Cool Beans is referring by capoing up two frets and playing them using C fingering. "Soldier's Joy", "Whiskey Before Breakfast" and "Over the Waterfall" are a few that come to mind.

Subject: RE: Beyond 'Under the Double Eagle'
From: M.Ted
Date: 27 Dec 06 - 06:27 PM

I am not sure if you are looking for arranged tunes that you can learn, or are looking for tunes you can arrange-- if it is the latter, "Eight More Miles To Louisville", which is a Travis-picking standard, also works well as a flat-picking piece.