Are the sessions real in Ireland?

Subject: RE: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: GUEST,kenny
Date: 22 Nov 16 - 04:44 AM

Very good post there, Jim.
As for the "bodhran-free" notice, I was in Sandy Bells in Edinburgh on Sunday lunch-time. They have a bodhran up on a shelf with a red ring painted round the perimeter, and a red bar across it, much like a "no-entry" sign. I don't know how rigidly it is enforced, but your "bodhran-free" notice does exist in at least one bar in Scotland.
All the best, Kenny

Subject: RE: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Nov 16 - 04:24 AM

Ireland, I suppose, like anywhere else with traditional music.
If you are a lazy tourist who wants to be 'entertained', you will end up listening to 'ersatz folk' designed to draw you in to buy something
If your interest is genuine, you have to either pre-plan or make the effort when you arrive.
Dublin for instance, has both - probably a predominance of the former.
This particular one-street town on the West Coast, is a traditional-music friendly one where you can find good sessions four nights a week, rising to around six in the summer months.
We tend to send the casuals elsewhere, usually Doolin, which tends to cater for tourists who wish to listen to each other rather than what the locals have to offer.
Nobody has designed a bodhran/free notice yet, but we're working on it!!
If you wish to hear good music, you need to remember that it's what locals do for their own entertainment, not for yours - the "entertain me" attitude may work in the cities, but not necessary in rural areas.
I write as a 'blow-in' who first came here over forty years ago looking for singers and moved here permanently eighteen years ago because we found some.
The locals tend to be far more polite than I am - occasionally, after a few spoiled sessions, I wish they weren't.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 22 Nov 16 - 02:04 AM

Maybe I was spoiled. I went to sessions with Mudcatters, and every one was wonderful. Perhaps that's the difference. In Ireland and Scotland and England, I went to sessions with real people that I had come to know online, and all of my experiences were delightful. I especially liked the singarounds at Bray, and the "Song Central" singaround in Dublin. Jack Campin took me to a nice session in Edinburgh, and Tattie Bogle took me to a very nice folk club outside Edinburgh. Martin Ryan took me to lots of wonderful gatherings on my two trips to Ireland, and so many Mudcatters in England took me to so many wonderful gatherings.
The music is there, and it's good - but it helps to know local people if you want to find the good stuff.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: michaelr
Date: 21 Nov 16 - 11:34 PM

Spent a week in Ireland this past September, including two nights in Dingle. Not a real session to be found - it was duos everywhere: box and guitar, pipes and guitar, fiddle and guitar, bass and guitar. All heavily amplified. The only real session was a huge one at the Crane Bar in Galway. Oh, and a Friday night in Miltown Malbay, with Jackie Daly, which was nice and mellow.

That was my fourth trip to Ireland. Good Sessions have been getting harder to find as all the bars want to cater to hordes of tourists.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: GUEST,patriot
Date: 21 Nov 16 - 10:54 AM

Maybe time for an update on 'real' sessions in Ireland? There really is some crap about & visitors do need a bit of direction, just as much as we need the visitors!
And can correspondents please refrain from the phoney Irish marketing term, the 'craic' ?

Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: Murpholly
Date: 05 May 15 - 05:08 AM

Going to visit relatives in Co. Cork most years we have discovered that the more rural pubs welcome playing and singing. Indeed one or two places we visit with or without relatives tend to ask if the fella has brought his box and we are playing aren't we. Indeed in one pub we visit The Inishcara Bar they are just as likely to push the tables back and have a dance as well. Great craic.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: GUEST,Dáithí
Date: 05 May 15 - 04:45 AM

Go raibh maith agat arís , Good Soldier Schweik!
Sin É it is ;-)

Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 04 May 15 - 03:34 AM

I'll be back, George. I had such a good time.
-Joe-

Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: GUEST,George henderson
Date: 03 May 15 - 04:09 AM

Song sharing session in Chaplin's Bar, Hawkins Street, Dublin on Sunday May 10th starts at 6pm. Bird Song Project incorporated.
Bray Singers,StrandHotel,Bray on May 16th at 9pm. Bird Song Project also incorporated here.
All welcome

Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: The Sandman
Date: 02 May 15 - 06:10 AM

hersanother one in coburg street cork city
Sin É
8 Coburg St
Cork City
Cork, Ireland
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Fax: [phone]
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Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 02 May 15 - 03:05 AM

Probably doesn't happen now, but one of the most unexpected and enjoyable singing evenings we spent was in Peader Kearney's bar in Dame Street, Dublin (interesting bar anyway).
We were staying not far away and nipped in to have a quiet pint, to find a group of mainly local local people sitting around a table and singing a mixture of political, humourous and sentimental songs - nothing mind-boggling, just an enjoyable, unselfconcious singing session by an extremely friendly group of local people.
We were told that it happened weekly, but the nest time we looked in, it was a rather loud, amplified session of young, booked performers, obviously aimed at catching the overflow from Temple Bar (which, for the uninitiated, is an urban version of Doolin, where tourists go to listen to 'Oirish' songs, largely sung by visitors singing to each other)
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: Joe Offer
Date: 01 May 15 - 09:09 PM

My first visit to Ireland was maybe about 2003. Martin Ryan took me to a couple of sessions in Dublin. One was a singing session in a pub near the Guinness Brewery, in an area that was suffering gentrification. The singers were terrific old guys - Frank Harte himself was there. But the youngish bar crowd made so much noise that I had trouble hearing the singers.
Then Martin took me to an instrumental session. Almost all of the players were young (under 30), and almost half were Asian. But hey, the music was great.

My second visit to Ireland was in 2012. I went to singarounds in Bray and in downtown Dublin, and saw Martin Ryan and George Henderson and a number of other people who were at least familiar with Mudcat. Were those sessions the Real Thing? I don't know, but does it really matter? They were the most wonderful part of a very enjoyable trip. I hope I can do it again.

A few years ago, I went on a pilgrimage to Fatima, Lourdes, and Santiago. An Irish tour group were staying in our hotel in Fatima, and they had a singaround in the hotel bar one night - it was delightful. And I have to say it felt more like the "Real Thing" than what I experienced in Dublin.

I'm not sure "real" is the determining factor for me. If people get together to make music and have a wonderful time, that's what's important to me. And that happened in every single Irish session I've attended, so I feel privileged. On top of that, it was delightful to spend time with Martin and George and so many other wonderful people. And the beer was good, too.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: GUEST,Dáithí
Date: 01 May 15 - 06:19 AM

Many thanks for that Good Soldier Schweik :-)

Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: The Sandman
Date: 01 May 15 - 06:08 AM

cork city.. spailpin fanach has regular sessions downstairs, i sang at the singers club recently on sunday nights, and there was an irish music session downstairs.
the corner house in coburg street, cork city has a session.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: GUEST,Dáithí
Date: 01 May 15 - 04:55 AM

Thanks for the advice there, Jim :-)

Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 30 Apr 15 - 08:34 PM

its that wicked capitalistt mr. musket!

every week, the men from his PERFIDIOUS ALBION MUSIC COMPANY put another hologram of a folk musicians in every Irish pub.

sometimes they forget to change it, thus - the unreality!

Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: The Sandman
Date: 29 Apr 15 - 05:26 PM

a good drinker knows when not to join in

Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 29 Apr 15 - 05:56 AM

Could try Miltown Malbay on the way down reasonable to superb music on most nights
Tha Crane in Galway is usually worth a visit.
Really don't know about Cork - great county for musicians
There used to be a fairly reliable guide to sessions in Ireland - vant find it t resent but you might try this for Cork City
http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Travel-g186600-c4976/Cork:Ireland:Traditional.Irish.Music.Venues.html
or this
Always found Matt Molloy's a bit too Wall-to--wall for comfort
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: GUEST,Dáithí
Date: 29 Apr 15 - 04:48 AM

Well, am partial to a dram so no bother! Meanwhile - any tips on music in the area? Will be driving down from Donegal via Westport (Matt Molloy's of course!) and spending a cúpla days in Midleton...
Many thanks - Dáithí

Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Apr 15 - 10:55 AM

I was half-joking
If you do try Midleton, ask the price first.
The only time I ever tasted it was when our music venue changed hands and the retiring owner, who knew we had lusted after his half bottle for years, gave Pat and I a glass each at his closing do.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: GUEST,Dáithí
Date: 24 Apr 15 - 08:48 AM

Certainly will so, Jim - thanks for the tip!

Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Apr 15 - 06:22 AM

"Will be in Midleton "
Take a morgage out on your house and try their whiskey - exquisite but horrendously expensive.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: GUEST,Derrick
Date: 24 Apr 15 - 06:01 AM

One of the best pieces of advice I ever heard covers both musicianship and the etiquette of when and how to join in.
"A good musician knows when not to join in"

Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: GUEST,Dáithí
Date: 24 Apr 15 - 05:01 AM

I spend most Summers in south west Donegal and two or three nights a week there is a session in Roarty's pub in Glencolumbcille that i attend.
It's hosted by a couple of local fiddlers and as there are lots of people from all over the world attending the Irsih language college there, you're pretty much guaranteed a variety of musicians each time.
The etiquette is simple. You sit close to where the others are seated and lay your instruments on the table or in plain view. You join in as and when you can, and are often invited to start a tune of your own, or play solo.
Up in Gaoth Dobhair I've often played Monday nights in Hudi Beag's - lots of professional musicians there, but always welcoming.

Will be in Midleton , (Cork) for a few days in July so if anyone can recommend a session there I'd be grateful!

Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 24 Apr 15 - 04:26 AM

Go along eith all that Peter, but unfortunately, not all accompanists restrict their activities to accompanying - still hoping to find more than the tiny handful of recordings we have of one of Ireland's finst fiddle players, Marting Byrnes, without the piano-driver!
Anyway, wouldn't foist my opinions on others over this, though I would recommend a listen to Clare concertina player, Mary MacNamara unaccompanied album and a read of what she says about accompaniment
Years ago, we spent some time with on of the great veteran Sligo fiddle players (won't name hime for fear of embarrassing him), who told us that personally he prefers to play accompanied, but will use it "in case I slip up" - you can't imagine a player less likely to do so, even now, in his advanced years.
You missed an enjoyable session last night in Friels (well worth a look-in on Thursdays)
Nice, lively sit-in music, and two young French visiting guitarists playing mainly European Gypsy music and jazz to Reinhardt standard - one of those serendipity nights - magic!!   
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 23 Apr 15 - 03:44 PM

I know what you mean Jim and won't wholly disagree but the point remains nearly any instruments in the hands of a sensitive player can make a valuable contribution.

In Gleeson's Ado showed enough restraint and Paul de Grae carried Kitty and myself along very nicely but hey also knew when enough was enough and put the guitar down when that point was reached. I also remmeber nights in Gleeson's when Conor Keane brought Johnny 'Ringo' along and I don't think anybody, listener or musician, minded that or though there was 'bashing' going on. Now, on other occassions however...

Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Apr 15 - 03:11 PM

"As always Jim, it's entirely down to who's driving"
As a personal choice I don't like any kind of accompaniment, so much so that I now make a point of checking to see if its included on the albums I buy - my foible, I know.
Heavy handed guitars and and virtually all bodhrans are top of the no-no list because I believe they change the nature of the music from melodic/lyrical to rhythmical,
o problem with percussion instruments per se - the Lomax recordings of convicts accompanying their singing 'Oh Lula' to the accompaniment of their chopping wood is among the most exquisite pieces of music-making I have ever heard.
Having made that confession - since moving to Clare (as a non-musician) I have noticed an interesting phenomenon in our local sessions.
A solo melody musician or a duet playing in a crowded pub will get the attention of most people present - as the number of instruments increases, so does the noise level.
Throw in a guitar, or a synthesizer (god forbid), and the music becomes muzak.
Thoight I was imagining things at first, but have become convinced that this is the case - in the sessions we go to anyway.
I thought we'd died and gone to heaven during the first few months we lived here, when we went to Friel's week-after-week and joined a small crowd sitting quietly in the fromt bar listening to Tommy Peoples playing solo or to a quietly, well-worked-out guitar accompaniment
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 23 Apr 15 - 01:35 PM

As always Jim, it's entirely down to who's driving. One Willie week I was playing a few tunes with a young local man, who came to me to learn the pipes around that time, when we were joined by a very hairy fella with a set of African drums. I feared the worst but he was bloody good and ding all the right things.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Apr 15 - 12:16 PM

I can remember standing next to a tourist who walked into John Kelly's pub. 'The Four Seaasons', in Dublin with an enormous bodhran with large jangly bits projecting from it.
The barman leaned over the bar and whispered in a loud stage-whisper, "the only way you'll get to play that i here is with a sharp knife".
Seamus Ennis was known to froth at the mouth at the sight of them
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 23 Apr 15 - 12:03 PM

It's all really a matter of common sense and good manners Will.

It's probably good to realise that while there are many different angles on what a 'session' is, it's not generally an occasion where you just walk in, sit down and start playing as if it's your god given right to do so. The degree to which a session values its privacy will vary from group to group and occasion to occasion but it's safe to assume it's vary rarely a true free for all where all comers are going to be welcome.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: Will Fly
Date: 23 Apr 15 - 10:55 AM

I spent a most enjoyable week in Waterford a few years ago - went over specially to see a rare concert by Leon Redbone - and dropped in to a couple of excellent sessions, just to listen. I was reminding myself of this trip just now by looking at a web page on Waterford pub sessions - and came across this witty and sensible set of etiquette "rules":

Some notes on "session etiquette", regarding acceptable behaviour as a guest:

• Refrain from asking for your favourite tunes unless invited to do so.
• Even if the low volume and (to your ears) dubious quality of an octogenarian's
"sean nos" (old style singing) is not to your liking - do not start a loud conversation
while everyone else is trying to listen.
• If you want to take photos, do so without causing too much disturbance - and remember
that most participants in a session are there for fun, not as paid cast members.
• Should you have bought a bodhran or a tin whistle the day before and just started to read
the instructions ... please refrain from joining in as a "musician" and thus embarrassing yourself.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: GUEST,Peter Laban
Date: 23 Apr 15 - 10:06 AM

'One of the problems with finding good sessions is that, for outsiders, it takes a little planning nd forethought'

There's that. And if a few musicians are going to get together, ad hoc or otherwise, they're not going to tell the world about it. Getting word out to the people they want to play with (or for) instead.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 23 Apr 15 - 07:41 AM

"We're in Dublin for a week next month, 13-19th, so would be grateful for info on song sessions (An Goilin already noted!"
Sadly, you'll miss The Cobblestone (Smithfield) Sunday night session, held the first Sunday of the month.
Excellent evening run by young singers all singing good songs to a high degree of skill and and dedication.
"to play for pure enjoyment, to play to an audience"
The best sessions here are those where the performers are playing for enjoyment to an audience that has turned up to listen, so they don't have to make an effort to 'perform' to them.
One of the problems with finding good sessions is that, for outsiders, it takes a little planning nd forethought - I still remember our disappointment in, the early days of seeing doxens of 'ballad sessions' advertised and finding out what the term meant in those days - thought all my birthdays had come at once at first......!!
After a while, you learned to ask around first - the net makes it so much easier nowadays.
Here, during the "long dark nights in Miltown Malbay" (a comment once made by a folkie group who sound like a firm of solicitors responding to a comment I made about the state of folk song) we have four/five regular weekly sessions, all ranging from enjoyably good to international standard plying - in the summer, that can rise to 8 or nine.
A few are organised and paid for by the publican, but the overwhelming number are sit in - usually with a core of reasonably seasoned regulars.
Visitors quite often make the mistake of believing that Irish music only begins when they step off the boat or plane and finishes when they go home.
Some time ago, I had a rather unpleasant encounter with someone on this forum who had difficulty in understanding why a mini-bus full of bodhran bashers, banjo bangers and 12 string Kalashnikov strummers might not be welcome over here in the West of Ireland.
In places like this, visitors are made incredibly welcome, even when they don't behave themselves, but it really does make for a good holiday if you remember that the music is an integral part of the life here and not just something put on for the emmets between trips to the beach.
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: GUEST,Desi C
Date: 22 Apr 15 - 08:53 PM

Speaking as an Irish musician in England, I still travel back to Kilkenny each Summer to play in a few sessions. As far as Kilkenny goes I can vouch for them being very real indeed. The Monday night session in Cleere's Bar there has been going non stop for almost 30 years now.

Almost nothin is ever formally arranged or set up re the session. The musicians, singers etc simply turn up and certain seats are always there for them. There are the instrumental only sessions,and as in Cleeres instrumentals interspersed with local and visiting talent, songs, stories, poetrty etc. Usually very lively and late finishing. Can be noisy too so don't expect UK folk club type reverence, basically if you're good enough they'll listen. Sadly central dublin these days rarely sees a real genuine session

Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: Herga Kitty
Date: 22 Apr 15 - 03:27 PM

We're in Dublin for a week next month, 13-19th, so would be grateful for info on song sessions (An Goilin already noted!)

Kitty

Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 22 Apr 15 - 03:22 PM

Okay, so they're all 'real' in the widest sense of the word. But there are different types with different etiquettes and anyone wanting to attend a session really wants to know which type they are likely to come across in any given venue.

At one end - a free and open session
Then an organised performance of booked performers but other known musicians might be accepted
and at the other end - a performance (that might resemble a more informal session but isn't, often characterised by half a dozen accomplished musicians who regularly play together sitting facing inwards in a tight circle and really playing to each other.)

I've seen all 3 of these and other combinations together in the same town both in England and in Ireland.

Another factor is why are they there, to play for pure enjoyment, to play to an audience or both. Personally I prefer it when it's both.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: Tradsinger
Date: 22 Apr 15 - 10:23 AM

I will be on holiday in the Portrush area in late July and wondered if anyone could recommend any song sessions in the area (not C & W and not just tunes).

Tradsinger

Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Apr 15 - 08:12 AM

I read Steve's post as simply explaining the OP's original question to the guest who couldn't be bothered to read the whole therad (and I don't blame him)

In this sense "fake" is simply a shorthand to mean a pre-planned performance presented in a session type style. Not the best term to use but it has been used in this sense through all the years of this thread. These sort of shorthand terms are regularly used and those who claim not to understand them in that sense are mostly deliberately trolling.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: Manitas_at_home
Date: 22 Apr 15 - 07:17 AM

Possibly Steve's idea of a session is the 'open' session where anyone is welcome to join in. A set of hired musicians might prefer to make the session a performance and close it to outsiders or limit it to people whose skills they know so as to keep the standard high. A staged session can still be open, in this case the paid musicians would be there to lead and keep the music flowing.

Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: Jim Carroll
Date: 22 Apr 15 - 05:22 AM

Sorry Steve - no such thing as as a fake session - paid or unpaid, they're all real sessions - no set definition.
Suggest you refer to Fintan Vallely's excellent 'Companion to Irish Traditional Music for a full explanation of the phenomenon (a bit big, but will scan it down in full if needed).
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: Steve Gardham
Date: 21 Apr 15 - 06:27 PM

GUEST
It has already been explained, but as is usual with controversial threads on Mudcat it turned into a slanging match which somewhat obscured the OP's original intention.

A 'session' to most people in the English-speaking folk world loosely means a gathering of performers for the fun and craic playing together and unpaid. However some enterprising landlords have seen how this can draw in the crowds and pay maybe half a dozen performers to come in and entertain. This is often advertised as a session but is anything but, in other words a fake session. (Before anyone jumps down my throat this is not a criticism. I've done the fake session myself on occasions. Each to their own!)

Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: GUEST
Date: 21 Apr 15 - 04:48 PM

what a strange question- what does 'real' mean in this context- do visitors really expect to find a lost world of traditional music in Ireland?

Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: Cats
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 06:56 AM

Where will I find a good session where I can sing, as opposed to play, in or around Belfast?

Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: Scrump
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 06:03 AM

eamonn Cuiv who wasted thousands trying to change the name of Dingle[against the wishes of dingles residents].

I'm not surprised - fancy wanting to change it to "Dangle", the fool :-)

Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: GUEST,Fidjit
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 05:50 AM

Oi ! KNOCK IT OFF !

Chas

Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: The Sandman
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 04:25 AM

two bigger asses are Bertie Ahern,the man that wasted millions on Berties BOWL[A Real white elephant]and eamonn Cuiv who wasted thousands trying to change the name of Dingle[against the wishes of dingles residents].

Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: GUEST
Date: 18 Jan 07 - 04:15 AM

And that Senator Labhras O Murchu (Larry Murphy) is the unelected Life President of Comhaltas Ceoltóirí Éireann?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: GUEST,GUEST Hempsy
Date: 17 Jan 07 - 04:24 PM

Cap'n,

I cannot agree more with you when you state:

"6.I am more interested in helping children to enjoy music and promoting the non competitive side as much as I can,than reading reports by stupid asses."

But in the interests of greater clarity should you not point out that the Report you are referring to was written by one Senator Labhras O Murchu?

Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jan 07 - 03:02 PM

Scrump,
Miltown Malbay - where else?
Jim Carroll

Subject: RE: Folklore: Are the sessions real in Ireland?
From: Scrump
Date: 17 Jan 07 - 11:48 AM

Here here,
Jim Carroll

Where where Jim? :-)