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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: gnu Date: 19 Jan 07 - 03:10 PM Well, I VERY seldom open these threads, but, I just had to see what was up. You STILL at that crap? Take off, eh, ya hoser. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: The Shambles Date: 19 Jan 07 - 03:18 PM Yet you continue to complain that we are judging you. I am suggesting that YOU are not posting here to judge anyone other than me as being responsible. And I am now suggesting that YOU can only speak for yourself. If you consider YOU have made all the contribution to the discussion that YOU wish to - then why do YOU carry on posting? When YOU do decide for YOURSELF to finally stop - WE can decide carry on the discussion in this thread without YOU (unless this thread is also closed or deleted). And when or if WE decide for ourselves that WE have contributed all WE can - WE can decide for ourselves to stop too. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 19 Jan 07 - 03:57 PM YOU are wrong because YOU are attempting to speak for ME with you interpretations. YOU are trying to shut me out and not respond to my comments. YOU are not allowing the discussion to continue by manipulating what I, and others, are saying. I never judged you to be the only one responsible and I think you realize that, assuming you've read my past notes. It is not a question of YOU, ME or even WE - it is a question for the owners of this site, and I think that has been answered. Congratulations, YOU've won. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: kendall Date: 19 Jan 07 - 04:03 PM There are none so blind as those who won't hear. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: The Shambles Date: 20 Jan 07 - 03:57 AM Roger, I have been accused of being in the "inner circle", yet I have been deleted. How do you account for that? Furthermore, it doesn't matter what I think, or what you think. That's the part you just don't get. You think the worst offender is still here, and I think the worst two offenders are gone. So, whos opinion carries more weight? NEITHER! With all due respect - what matters is if 'silent deltion' (and all the other forms of non-recorded editing action) is effective in acheiving whatever aims it is supposed to have or if is is counter-productive. And our forum is now aware that the chief proponent of such actions has announced in his 'for the record' statement that his best efforts have failed. I don't really know what these aims are or if those who support them know what these aims are either but I do really question if the use, defence and justification of such a tactics can really be designed to bring about peace. For will not such drasitc actions only result in equally drastic reactions to it? Are there not other ways that are less likely to result in such equally drastic reactions? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: kendall Date: 20 Jan 07 - 08:12 AM When the day comes thatyou are not able to access the forum at all, what will your REaction be? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: The Shambles Date: 20 Jan 07 - 01:01 PM When the day comes thatyou are not able to access the forum at all, what will your REaction be? Probably that I really hope the absence of this single poster will have solved all of your problems for you. And that you will never feel you have the right to - or ever have any reason to post again to our forum - only to moan about what any of your fellow posters may choose to post. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: kendall Date: 20 Jan 07 - 07:27 PM That's some ego you are lugging around! What makes you think that your leaving would solve all of my problem? Or even one of them? Guaranteed I would not miss you for a moment. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: Don(Wyziwyg)T Date: 20 Jan 07 - 09:32 PM "For why do some seem to find it impossible to show a basic respect and trust to posters on our forum who they have not met and are never likely to? For that is the test." Trust and respect are two commodities which cannot be demanded, but must rather be earned. If the people around me show no trust or respect for me, my first thought is "What am I doing wrong, or not dong right". The building of trust and respect among my fellow men (oops! and women) is something I, not they, have to do, and I am unlikely to achieve this by irritating everyone I meet with repetitious whingeing, especially if I am whingeing about someone who has already gained the trust and respect of the people to whom I complain. Don T. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: The Shambles Date: 22 Jan 07 - 02:05 AM The building of trust and respect among my fellow men (oops! and women) is something I, not they, have to do, and I am unlikely to achieve this by irritating everyone I meet with repetitious whingeing, especially if I am whingeing about someone who has already gained the trust and respect of the people to whom I complain. The point was being made here was he comparison between direct interactions and interactions on our forum. The only way this can work is by showing a mutual respect and a rocognition that interactions online will be an entirely different thing to any that are conducted face-to face. The problem here is that a poster' worth is publicly judged only from their views and posted words and described in emotive and subjective terms like repitious whingeing, hijacking, boring and worse, by those who will set the example for others to follow. Should not those who feel themselves to be qualified to impose their judgement on others be expected to first show trust and respect - especially if they then demand it in return? And when they are seen to set a different example to this - by indulging in personally motivated name-calling and openly encouraging certain others to inflict this on our forum - is it really any surprise if this example is judge acceptable and followed? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: kendall Date: 22 Jan 07 - 09:15 AM In other words... If a man calls you an ass, ignore him. However, if TWO men call you an ass, get a saddle." Old Jewish proverb |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: GUEST,saddlecaster Date: 22 Jan 07 - 10:06 AM What if the two men are unworthy to cast the name? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: Keith A of Hertford Date: 22 Jan 07 - 10:09 AM Peter K (Fionn) has had a post deleted from the USA Britain NI thread. I think it may have been a mistake?
-Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: The Shambles Date: 22 Jan 07 - 11:01 AM In other words... If a man calls you an ass, ignore him. However, if TWO men call you an ass, get a saddle." Old Jewish proverb. No. If anyone calls anyone any name on a DISCUSSION forum - they are in the wrong place. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: kendall Date: 22 Jan 07 - 03:10 PM And once again, you just don't get it. IT's A METAPHOR ROGER! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: Captain Ginger Date: 22 Jan 07 - 05:20 PM Golly, I feel honoured - just had a post deleted after arguing with that strange 'Dickey' fellow. To be honest I can't recall exactly what it was I said, but I'm clearly now in illustrious company! I do wonder why so much of 'Dickey's' ranting is allowed to stand, however.
"Dickey" pushes the limits, but so far he seems to be following the posting guidelines in the FAQ, and cooperating when corrected. -Joe Offer |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: jeffp Date: 22 Jan 07 - 06:09 PM You could PM Joe Offer for an explanation. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: The Shambles Date: 23 Jan 07 - 04:58 AM And once again, you just don't get it. IT's A METAPHOR ROGER! I got it the first time you posted it and this is at least the third time you have posted it. If you carry on - you may get judged as whingeing, repetitive and boring and have special restrictions imposed on your posting? Not by me - for I think that posters can post their views as often as they like - as no one has to read or respond - nor post only to complain and judge the poster for this. Does your metaphour mean that if enough people are encouraged to call others the same name - it follows that there is some value in that name? The name you like to use is 'mal contents'. How would you define this, who would you include and who would you exclude? The word 'sheep' is an old word used for those who just join in and follow any name-calling and do not appear to be able to make up their own minds or see the consequences. If your metaphor is an old jewish saying then it is stupid and dangerous one. To our great cost and not so very long ago enough people in a so-called civilised European nation were encouraged to call all jews (and others) non-persons (and worse) and make laws that enshrined this. Should they have thought themselves to be non-persons? Did all this succeed in making them non-persons? I suggest that it did not. But it did enable those encouraging the name-calling to steal (almost) everthing from these non-persons. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: kendall Date: 23 Jan 07 - 10:22 AM Roger, you just don't get it. You will never get it. Trying to make you see is an exercise in futility, and you are not worth the bother. Good bye. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: The Shambles Date: 24 Jan 07 - 05:28 PM It is not a requirement for all posters to be like-minded or to be bullied into agreement. It is enough for posters to be seen to be able to agree to disagree in discussion, without making judgments of a poster's worth, posting personal abuse or name-calling. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: The Shambles Date: 26 Jan 07 - 05:08 PM A thread from the Mudcat Help and Trouble Forum. Anonymous Posting Prohibited |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: GUEST, IPdrifter Date: 27 Jan 07 - 11:53 AM Thanks for the thread link. We'll soon try to post something there or here on the technical infeasibility of maintaining a constant guest identity while taking reasonable privacy precautions. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: Bill D Date: 27 Jan 07 - 12:09 PM it is perfectly possible to type in one consistent name when posting. Many do this. 'Privacy' precautions are a red herring and a roundabout way of saying "I just don't want to follow the rules that most everyone else does." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: GUEST, IPdrifter Date: 27 Jan 07 - 12:26 PM It's not so simple, Bill. Typing in the same user name is the easy part. It's so easy, in fact, that several people could type in the same name. If a guest user name does not correspond with the same IP address each post, the guest becomes suspect and the post is more likely to be deleted. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: WFDU - Ron Olesko Date: 27 Jan 07 - 12:57 PM It's about time! Bravo!! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: GUEST, IPdrifter Date: 28 Jan 07 - 08:29 AM IP address blocking can be a crude method. It may shut out more than one person using a computer or a network. It may shut out multiple users of a popular PHP anonymizer. Those of us who visit Mudcat and other sites by way of an onion router network will not each present an unchanging IP address. We don't always know the IP address when we arrive, and it can even change during a session. The resulting suspicion can lead to post deletion and even exit node IP address blocking. My prospects are not good when using one user name with variable IP addresses. Prospects might be better when using a different user name for each post, or when not submitting a user name. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: The Shambles Date: 29 Jan 07 - 03:01 AM Subject: RE: Anonymous Posting Prohibited From: Joe Offer Date: 27-Jan-07 - 11:53 PM Anonymous posting is still possible, but it IS prohibited. We don't usually bother to delete posts from the Help Forum because it's not set up to delete posts easily. We'd much rather phrase our prohibition in the form of a request, rather than having to resort to coercion. Nonetheless, we will enforce the prohibition, even against all "13,000 computers" at one corporation, all of which showed a consistent pattern of posting anonymously. If you want to post, use a consistent user name. Better yet, register and post as a member. -Joe Offer- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: kendall Date: 29 Jan 07 - 08:59 AM And, if you don't want to be a member, stay above the line. Simple. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: GUEST, IPdrifter Date: 29 Jan 07 - 09:45 AM Why should a visitor avoid thread topics presented on a page merely because they're in a separate list? What is there below the line that should not be discovered? Controversy? I believe that visitors should be encouraged to read below the line. Would you want to join without knowing what get's posted in threads below the line? If so, you'd be a candidate for disillusionment. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: jeffp Date: 29 Jan 07 - 10:41 AM You are invited to read, but post without a name and your post will be deleted. It's that simple. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: jeffp Date: 29 Jan 07 - 11:09 AM Below, I think. I'm a member and I can read the FAQs. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: kendall Date: 29 Jan 07 - 04:25 PM Change is inevitable. Resistance to change is also inevitable. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: The Shambles Date: 02 Feb 07 - 07:35 AM Isn't that the voice of the Borg collective speaking? Worst thread ever was closed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: Gizmo Date: 02 Feb 07 - 11:29 AM No Shambles... ....We will assimilate you. Resistance is futile |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: Peace Date: 02 Feb 07 - 04:19 PM There is no 'we'. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: Cluin Date: 03 Feb 07 - 11:20 AM ",... white man." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: wysiwyg Date: 03 Feb 07 - 12:07 PM Cluin, wasn't that a reference to the punch line of the old joke -- hugely simplified here-- where Tonto is told by the Lone Ranger, "We're going to have to attack those attacking Indians"? And Tonto replies, "Who's "we," white man?" Of course it's a joke with layers of racism built in, but even though most folks would not use that joke in these times, the punch line is designed to make folks think about that. ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: The Shambles Date: 03 Feb 07 - 01:54 PM You could question if calling himself the lone ranger in the first place was really a very accurate discription for an obvious double act. Or if Tonto was in fact in as much - if not more danger. The Borg collective sounds like another Swedish rival to Ikea? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: wysiwyg Date: 03 Feb 07 - 02:00 PM He was in fact cast as a Texas Ranger, and was in fact operating as a Lone ranger. "Loose Cannon Ranger" would be more accurate, but it's just too awkward for a supposed folk hero. I mean-- say Zorro was pimply-faced under his mask, it would be accurate to call him El Pimplo, but it just don't sing right. ~Susan |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: Little Hawk Date: 03 Feb 07 - 02:08 PM I suppose that anyone who has ever liked his own cultural community more than a neighbouring one (and said so) could be accused of practicing racism. That would apply to about 99.9999999999999902 per cent of the human race in every known historical epoch, present and past. ;-) The reason people are so rabid on the issue of racism nowadays is this: It's in style to accuse others of racism in order to more effectively push a special interest of some kind. Secondarily (in my opinion), everyone tends to see it in others because they subconsciously see some reflection of their own prejudiced nature bouncing back at them, and that's why they dislike it so much. It's the usual case of focusing on the speck in the other guy's eye, while ignoring the beam in one's own. (Thanks for that one, Jesus!) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: Cluin Date: 03 Feb 07 - 02:23 PM "We're ALL racist, okay? Racism was started a longtime ago by somebody... personally I think it was the French." ~ Dr. Johnny Fever on WKRP in Cincinatti |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: Little Hawk Date: 03 Feb 07 - 03:39 PM LOL! Exactly. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: The Shambles Date: 04 Feb 07 - 07:41 AM Is this racism? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: jacqui.c Date: 04 Feb 07 - 08:44 AM Totally agree with you LH. IMHO we have a need to step back from condemning others and try to mend that fault in ourselves. Not ever easy, even if you are aware. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: The Shambles Date: 13 Feb 07 - 11:15 AM Three recent posts to the following thread appear to have been subjected to silent deletion. Posting with civility |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: bobad Date: 13 Feb 07 - 11:21 AM Two of those posts were mine and I am in agreement with them being removed. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: catspaw49 Date: 13 Feb 07 - 11:46 AM Gee....One was mine and I could care less too. Take a tip from this Shammo......No one but you and the trolls give a turkey. Spaw |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: The Shambles Date: 13 Feb 07 - 08:16 PM Two of those posts were mine and I am in agreement with them being removed. The question is probably is why you bothered to post them and refresh that particular thread in the first place? Others may take more care about what they post and having then taken this care, may reasonably expect their contribution to remain as posted. It is perhaps not too unreasonable, when posts have been judged to require deletion or some other form of imposed action - for this to be recorded, the reasons provided and for whoever it was who imposed this judgement to use their regular posting name. At least this would then be in keeping with what all other contributors are now expected to do. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: Bill D Date: 13 Feb 07 - 09:26 PM He's baaaaaaaaack! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Closed threads & deleted posts (3) From: bobad Date: 13 Feb 07 - 09:52 PM "The question is probably is why you bothered to post them and refresh that particular thread in the first place?" I posted in response to a generous lady's offer to share her charms with us. As this solicitation, which refreshed the thread, was rightly deleted, my ill advised post was left flapping in the breeze (as it were) and benefited greatly by being deleted. My second post, saying that you were sweet, might be considered defamatory and for this I apologize. |