Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From: Sean MacRuaraidh
Date: 26 Mar 99 - 08:22 AM

My Disaster Purchases in the last 10 years :-

Minstrel Songs and Dances - my biggest CD let down ever. Chalk Mark in a Rain Storm - Joni Mitchell's worst New York - Lou Reed Strange Day in Berlin - Sally Oldfield's worst Bjorks last album - was the same as the one before (POST) but worse. David Swarbick - sounds great with Pentangle but is a disaster on his own John Renbourne - Ditto

I am a fan of Bjork, Joni Mitchell, Lou Reed's old stuff, and Pentangle but I was highly disappointed by the garbage they spewed out above.

Sean MacRuaraidh

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From: McMusic
Date: 26 Mar 99 - 02:27 AM

AlistairUK--that's some deep shit you're getting into. PeteM--the trouble with what's usually labelled "celtic" is that it's either New Age (not worth-a-shit), or rip-off early 70's Pink Floyd wannabe (worn-out shit). Also, it's like so many other things--popularity is a twin-edged razor blade--more people are exposed to it, but everyone and their third cousin jumps on the bandwagon. has anyone out there--throughout the world--noticed that the musicians who have "discovered" Celtic music in the past few years, and can reproduce the sounds. are a smug and arroganr lot? Sort of like electric guitar players in the 70's and 80's. And, Goddamit! I've been listening to the stuff for years, and I resent hell out of people like that!

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From: katlaughing
Date: 26 Mar 99 - 12:03 AM

Bob: you are right about the rappers, too, although they would argue that they are just "telling it like it is".

I do not believe music must be all "sweetness and light", in fact Mozart and my brother, Delton Lorenzo Hudson, both have quite a bit of dissonance in their compositions. The difference I find from them to others such as Cage is that their dissonance is subtle and meant to enhance, while that of most modern composers I've heard seems to be the main reason for writing the piece!

My brother's argument on this is much more in-depth. If you like to read one of his articles, let me know and I'll send it to you. I doubt if you've heard of him, uless you were in the east of CT/West of MA/RI areas from 1984-1993 or in WY/CO recently or before 1984. We did a lot on a limited budget, but finally ran out of money and steam, mine to be exact! We do have a couple of cassettes which well when we marketed them, totally produced on a shoestring, by ourselves.

His music has been likened to Mozart, Sibelius and others whose music is tonal. He's been called the Sibelius of the Rockies. It has a clarity about it which demands precise playing. His best known piece is his tone poem, the "Ode to the Rockies", which was premiered here in WY in 1984. When back East, it and several of his solo piano pieces were featured, along with interviews of him on NPR at UMASS-Amherst and Yale.

Susan, I am sorry, I've not heard of the composer you mentioned. I've really been out of that line of work for the past 3-4 yrs. when I started my own career, finally! I am fairly opinionated though and do not care for Messian or Krum. If those are the choices of your husband, he probably wouldn't like my brother's pieces. Because of their sublety, people often mistake them for non-experimental, mostly because they are tonal and beautiful. Remember, I AM biased, but I am also a classical musician. I always told him I helped to promote and produce his music NOT because he was my brother, but because the music is divine!

As Bob said we are each entitled to our opinions and I do respect that.

Thanks,

kat

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From: Susan A-R
Date: 25 Mar 99 - 10:54 PM

I happen to be quite fond of "Millworker" James Taylor's contribution to the musical "Working" and the White Album and Abby Road are pretty amazing to me. Now Enya and Yawnie and any new age or "noodle music" as it's caled in our house, UGH. And saints preserve me from overly-introspective, "whinging" singer/songwriters!!! I'd be curious to hear what Katlaughing and Bob Jovi (and anyone else out there) thinks of Gyorgy Ligeti. My husband plays a lot of contemporary music (concert pianist) and although I do a fair amount of tune out, I'm finding that I have really liked much of this guy's work. AlsoI have a fondness for Krum and good old Olivier Messian (anyone into God and Birds in pretty much equal proportions can't be all bad.) I have always been of the opinion that other people doing Bob Dylan's songs had some value, but he's always sounded more than a wee bit like bullwinkle moose to me. Hmmm, guess that this is NOT the NOI thread. OI!!

Susan

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From: DonMeixner
Date: 25 Mar 99 - 10:24 PM

I would add to list recent David Bowie and most all of Micro Jackson. The idea of mixing the music as loud or louder than the vocals I find irritating and hard to understand. Much of Christy Moore gets in here to. The Prince That Formerly Thought He Was An Artist makes my list. I don't like a lot of Neil Young but then have you ever tried to sing his stuff and not sing in a falsetto? Can't be did. James Taylor is just a boring singer, he has a very good guitar style however. I only recently began to like the Beatles but the Stones haven't been very good since Brian Jones died. Just cuz Marriah Carrey and Joni Mitchell can do that stuff with their voices isn't reason enough to do it. Its interesting that John Denver is not on any ones list yet, He is not on mine.

IF I COULD: I'd sing like Ronnie Browne, I'd play guitar like Tom Smothers,( he is very good really) I'd play banjo like Howard Bursen, I'd write like Tom Paxton or Phil Ochs.

But I'm none of those guys so I'll do it all the way I do now.

Don

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From: Lucius
Date: 25 Mar 99 - 09:56 PM

katlaughing:

I've been chawing over what you had to say about Cage, and I'm wondering if some of his pieces are really more deletrious than some of the "Gansta" Rap, and I'm wondering about the moral obligation that some of these rappers have. Heck, is Woody Guthrie or Bob Dylan that far removed? Or even Beethoven (most of his early symphonies and his late quartets were panned as being "disharmonius")!

I guess everyone has their own tastes and reasons to listen, I appreciate your comments, and respect your opinion, but my admiration for John Cage is steadfast. Also, I'm curious, would I recognize your brother's name? I enjoy listening to modern composers as well as folk, and have a little knowledge of both obscure and well known composers.

Peace and Love

Bob Jovi

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From: Dr John
Date: 25 Mar 99 - 05:15 PM

Turn the Irish clock back a bit and we had Eamond Andrews' "Shifting Wispering Sands" then T. Wogan's "Floral Dance". Surely the worst ever. When is the next professional Irishman, Henry Kelly, going to do something similiar?

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From: To Earl
Date: 25 Mar 99 - 01:19 PM

Earl,

Sorry, no offense to Richard Thompson and the many others who are also the "Real Deal", I saw and loved Jeff Beck here in Toronto last night. What my brother meant is do I personally know any guitar players who might like to play in a band that showcases no particular member, rather just performs fun music that people would get a kick out of and get up and dance. We've all seen bar bands where the guitar players think that the rest of the musicians are there only to support and showcase the guitar player. The old rock joke is how does a guitar player change a light bulb? He just holds it and the world revolves around him.

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From: AlistairUK
Date: 25 Mar 99 - 11:39 AM

I always though it was lead singers who were the wankers (man am I glad that I never tell anybody about my days singing in a rock group...*damn!*...that's bloody torn it).

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From: RWilhelm
Date: 25 Mar 99 - 09:26 AM

Steve Latimer, I don't think Richard Thompson's a wanker but I may be wrong.

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From: steve in ottawa
Date: 24 Mar 99 - 04:15 AM

It's always surprising to me just how many people love to proclaim: "I can't sing a note," or "I've a tin ear." Or didn't you know that claiming to hate the Beatles, James Taylor, or "Celtic" music is equivalent to calling yourself a musical cripple?

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 23 Mar 99 - 10:06 AM

Earl,

Thanks for reminding me about Mellancamp, mediocre at his very best. I have the Bob Dylan 30th Anniversary Concert CD. He shouldn't be allowed to touch Dylan material. And what about Stevie Wonder at that show? They should have had a vaudeville hook to get him off the stage, thought he would never stop.

AlistairUK, it was "The Sacred Cows" on Get Smart who were a KAOS propaganda band who were trying to destroy the world by singing "Thrill Thrill Thrill, Kill Kill Kill" which caused the youth of the world to go out and kill. Get Smart was a late sixties show, and we wonder where Tipper Gore got her ideas. Spider man was a nice touch. My brother is a drummer who is trying to start "The Dance Band From Hell" nothing but fun tunes that you can dance to, no Jimi Hendrix or David St. Hubbins wannabees(he stumped me when he asked me if I knew any guitar players who aren't wankers). I suggested a Flintstones medley, The Bedrock Twist, Way Out and Listen to the Mockingbird. I know I'd be on the dance floor if someone stuck that up.

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From: RWilhelm
Date: 23 Mar 99 - 09:37 AM

I just want to add Jimmie Buffet and Couger Mellencamp to the overrated, overexposed and redundant list.

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From: Jaxon
Date: 23 Mar 99 - 08:35 AM

I've never heard a "new" James Taylor release that I didn't feel I had heard before. He sounds like he needs to be slapped to stop his whining.
Jack Murray

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From: katlaughing
Date: 23 Mar 99 - 07:17 AM

Aaarrrggghhhhh! That is supposed to be a copyright symbol next to my bro's quote!

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From: katlaughing
Date: 23 Mar 99 - 07:10 AM

I LIKE a lot of the so-called Celtic stuff. Some of it hits directly at my heart, in a good way, and I often use it for better moods, feelings, etc.

Bob Jovi: can't stand Cage's stuff or Hindimith. I am of the frim belief, through my brother's research, writing, and music, that people who compose any music and present it tot he public have a moral obligation to be aware of the deletrious effect the vibrational tones can have on people. As my brother, a classical composer, wrote in one of his articles on this (well-researched and written long BEFORE the "new age" jumped on the bandwagon), "Music is a Planetary Modifierc". Even ancient civilizations were aware of this and mandated certain tunings each year in order to keep their contry, land etc. as "harmonious" as possible.

In my estimation Cage et al haven't a clue and no regard for what music can do. ***smile***

katlaughing

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From: AlistairUK
Date: 23 Mar 99 - 05:25 AM

See you did it again. If you are not willing to put a name to yourself then your comments hold no weight. And it just goes to show sort of person you are if you would rather listen to the spice girls. I think you are still throwing the baby out with the bathwater here.Plus celtic band would mean 99 persent of the best ones that existed ( Bothy Band, Planxty, Moving Hearts etc.)

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From:
Date: 23 Mar 99 - 01:00 AM

I'd rather listen to the spice girls on the wrong speed AND the Chipmunks than any Celtic Crap---actually any music on a tv comercial is better -- oh hell the white noise after the staion has gone off the air is better than any Celtic band/song recorded!

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From: Bob Jovi
Date: 23 Mar 99 - 12:24 AM

Hey katlaughing, Whats the deal on dissing John Cage, or worse yet, lumping him in with Hindimith. Next you'll be dumping on Ruth Crawford-Seegar, and pissing off her children (you know who).

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From: Ronn
Date: 23 Mar 99 - 12:17 AM

In the giving credit where it's due dept: I have disliked James Taylor intensly ever since hearing "Carolina On My Mind" the very first time. But his version of "It's Only A Paper Moon" from the soundtrack of "A League Of Their Own", and "Second Star To The Right" from the "Stay Awake" collection are bith quite good.

And say what you will about Tiny Tim's recorded legacy, I have never met anyone with a greater knowledge of American Popular Song from 1890-1920.

I still cant find anything positive to say about Neil Young's music though.

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From: AlistairUK
Date: 22 Mar 99 - 05:48 PM

Oh No we're not

Spider man Spider Man

Does whatever a spider can.

Spins a web any size

Catches thieves just like flies

Look out here comes the Spider man

In the still of night

At the scene of a crime

Like a streak Of light he arrives just in time

Spider man Spider man

friendly neighbourhood Spider Man

Is he strong?

Listen Bud,

He's got radioactive blood

Look out there goes the Spider Maaaaaan.

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 22 Mar 99 - 05:44 PM

What about Rockin' Freddie Flintsone doing "Listen to the Mockingbird?" A classic. And what was the name of the band on Get Smart who did Thrill, Thrill, Thrill, Kill, Kill, Kill? The Electric Cows or something. Were they an influence on Black Sabbath and Marilyn Manson?

Alistair, I think we're starting to take this thread down the wrong road.

steve

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From: AlistairUK
Date: 22 Mar 99 - 05:09 PM

Nah the Bubbaloos they were cool...as was Hr Puffinstuff.

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 22 Mar 99 - 04:56 PM

Katlaughing

The Chipmunks couldn't hold a candle to the Archies, the Banana Splits are the most underated band of the era.

Seriously, why has Tiny Tim been missed in this thread?

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From: AlistairUK
Date: 22 Mar 99 - 04:50 PM

Hey me and a bottle of helium, i do the chipmunks at parties.

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From:
Date: 22 Mar 99 - 04:50 PM

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From: katlaughing
Date: 22 Mar 99 - 04:43 PM

Nobody better take MY Beatles away! Their music defines a whole era for me. My first "boyfriend" in 7th grade gave me a 45 of "I wanna hold your hand", which at the time I hated. We broke up really fast! Still have the 45 though.

I love their later stuff, esp. Rocky Raccoon, Blackbird, etc.

I have a girlfriend I hesitate to visit much at her house because she is always blasting Van Morrison at full volume!

How 'bout the Chipmunks, guys!? Hate 'em or love 'em?! Hehehe

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From: AlistairUK
Date: 22 Mar 99 - 04:39 PM

well the Beatles were really taking the piss with Obladi Obladah on that album. Mind you anything by them is bloody tedious anyway. plus Martin Carthy really gets on my tits sometimes.

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 22 Mar 99 - 04:13 PM

Bob, you must have had access to a very good pharmacist if you enjoyed Metal Machine Music. I'd love to see the lampshade. I seem to recall the loop feature.

I also owned (and enjoyed) Second Winter. Does this make us the only people to own the entire three sided album collection? I often though that The Beatles White Album should have been three sided as I felt that there was enough good material for three sides and they could have done away with Reveolution #9 etc. I'm sorry, did you enjoy that as ambient sound too?

I am surprised at the number of people taking broad shots at The Beatles, James Taylor, Van Morrison, Neil Young etc. I liked a lot of material from all of them. To dismiss it all is mistake.

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From: Dr John
Date: 22 Mar 99 - 04:08 PM

This thread is the best laugh I've had all day. The S/F field recordings! Some may not be musically that great in the strictest sense but they are all of interest in one way or another. But at least they are honest and there is no hype. What's wrong with being outside the mainstream anyway. I think Bob Dylan is pretty grim too but then I'm an ardent Guthrie fan.

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From: Pete M
Date: 22 Mar 99 - 03:47 PM

In addition to most of the above, Clannad and bloody whatsername Enya. Oh hell go for broke, anything marketed as "celtic".

Pete M

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From: AlistairUK
Date: 22 Mar 99 - 03:30 PM

I actually bought Metal Machine music on reissue *duh* didn't he just set up the feedback loop, walk out and lock the studio and go for a beer?

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From: Bob Jovi
Date: 22 Mar 99 - 02:29 PM

I remember Metal Machine Music, in fact I enjoyed it, as far as ambient sound goes. I believe that there were four sides to the album, each with the running time printed on the label. The fourth side had ethe symbol for infinity, and the final track was "locked". That is the final groove was recorded to be endlessly repeated. I considered it a signifigant loss when a friend used it for a lampshade.

About the same time, Johnny Winter released a pretty good album (with an excelent cover of Highway 61) that was recorded on three sides only. I believe the title was "Second Winter".

I'm wondering, James Taylor, Beatles, Van Morrison. Not folk or blues, but by most peoples estimations, not trash either. Are mudcatters truly this far removed from the mainstream, or is it a need to shock? Does anyone despise the Smithsonian field recordings or anything from Folkway Records?

And AlistairUK, I was shocked to hear you mention my brother.

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From: katlaughing
Date: 22 Mar 99 - 02:17 PM

anything done by John Cage, Hindemith, et alia of the avant garde, so-called serious music genre!

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 22 Mar 99 - 02:07 PM

Some interesting comments here. The Beatles? Van Morrison? And those Neil Young comments, here in Canada slurring Neil is one of the few things that can get you poked in the nose.

It's a little off track, but in the late seventies I was given a copy of the biggest waste of vinyl ever. Lou Reed must have owed an album to his record company when he released "Metal Machine Music". This classic was a double LP with the fourth side blank. Sides 1-3 were identical in length, only because they were identical in content. Each side was approximately 18 1/2 minutes of feedback with someone (a really wasted Lou?) slowly turning knobs to change the tone and pitch. The album cover listed all equipment that was on the record. There was not one insrument listed, only a collection of mixers, amps etc.

Regardless of your musical taste, I believe in credit where credit is due. I can't imagine anything being a bigger waste of vinyl, Spice Girls included.

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From: Dr John
Date: 22 Mar 99 - 01:28 PM

Well said AlistairUK! From what I've read I guess it's hype, overexposure or overadulation that turns us off rather than the artist themselves.

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From: marlor
Date: 22 Mar 99 - 11:47 AM

Have to disagree here. I like Van Morrisson. "Moondance" is a particular fave. To each their own.

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From: marlor
Date: 22 Mar 99 - 11:42 AM

Hi tim" Maybe you can file this under the "you-know-you're-getting-when" file. I dont' care for aht kind of"music." It's a good example of a colossal wasteot tape.

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From: marlor
Date: 22 Mar 99 - 11:35 AM

Hi Margarita: No, you're not alone. I' not nuts about Rock 'n Roll either. I prefer a good ballad with, as you say, words one can understand. could someone tell me what was so great about Ernest tubb? Flame if you must, but I dont' like the guy.

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From: AlistairUK
Date: 22 Mar 99 - 11:32 AM

I see you remained anonymous obviously don't have the courage of your convictions.

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From:
Date: 22 Mar 99 - 10:51 AM

ANY irish band -can't wait for this fad in BAD music to be over!

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From: AlistairUK
Date: 22 Mar 99 - 08:33 AM

Shambles...this is true, I saw Robin at one of my last folk gigs in Northampton(UK) about 7 years ago when he was (I think) just starting on his storytelling, troubadour schtick. He was brilliant..I had only ever heard his Glint in The Kindling album and never did get around to listening to the ISB when I was at home.

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From: The Shambles
Date: 22 Mar 99 - 08:26 AM

Sam said. I think that some of the best performers are those who tend not to be taken seriously when in fact they have probably inputted more ideas then the performers who just keep floating on a happy medium with their audience, making no attempt to challenge their ears.

Well said indeed. I think a good example of this is Robin Williamson, ex Incredible String Band. Since the demise of the group, who I used to see fill venues like The Royal Festival and the Royal Albert Halls, I have seen him solo, performing in some rather smaller and less well attended places. This is due to no lessening of his talent, more to the fact that he always had the courage to attempt new things and in truth they didn't and still don't always come off. To his eternal credit he continues to try new things and not take the easy option..

The band were always viewed a little suspiciously by the 'folk' establishment and never found great acceptance there, except significantly by other performers. We do seem to have a tendency like our music to be safe and familiar, don't we?

This seems very strange in his case as now he clearly represents the modern day equivalent of the travelling harper, storyteller, minstrel, and troubadour. At a time when we seem to look back and value this stereotype so much, it seems strange to me that we do not recognise this great original talent and continue to over praise less adventurous individuals.

On another point, I feel sadly that if Robin Williamson, like poor Nick Drake had died young and we could neatly parcel him up and label him, he would have reached god-like status now. As it is, he and others continue to produce more wonderful and challenging music than Nick Drake, Tim Buckley and others ever produced in their short, but seemingly more valued careers. It appears that by continuing to try new things, they make it difficult for us to appreciate their true worth in their lifetimes. In this respect, It would seem that "the young die good".

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From: AlistairUK
Date: 22 Mar 99 - 05:16 AM

Oh my what a wonderful thread!

The Beatles (total shit) John Lennon (utter shit) Paul McCartney (Pathetic shit) Ringo Starr (forgettable shit) The Stones stopped doing anything decent from about 1969 until the present day. Tom Waits only ever made two really good albums Heart of Saturday Night and the other one the name I forget at the moment...after that he went pseudo Captain Beefheart(who is crap shit anyway) Anything by Bon Jovi.

my God! I could be here forever...

The stone Roses (pretentious shit) Fairport (after Sandy Denny) Pink Floyd (after Sid Barret)

I have to stop

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From: KingBrilliant
Date: 22 Mar 99 - 05:08 AM

Oi, just leave Van Morrisson out of it. The man is an intermittent genius.

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From: McMusic
Date: 22 Mar 99 - 03:14 AM

Would like to add to my previous list--any and all versions of "When Irish Eyes Are Smiling", "Mother Macree" and "MacNamara's Band".

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From: Bob Jovi
Date: 22 Mar 99 - 12:45 AM

Has to be Neil Young, all the more embarrasing to me considering the number of his tunes that were once a staple of my rep. Hard to say which is more annoying, his singing or his guitar playing.

But James Taylor?? This is the guy that Miles Davis says "he sings like a blind man". Granted, he's been recycling for years, but at least he had his moments. Why not go after someone like Jewel? Does she really think that she is a folkie, or has talent?

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From: alison
Date: 22 Mar 99 - 12:23 AM

Hi,

so that's where the hamster tune came from.. I knew I had heard it before.. must get the kids to watch Robin Hood tonight.

put my vote in for Foster and Allen, and the Furey's.... and Daniel O'Donnell.....

Slainte

alison

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From: Ronn
Date: 21 Mar 99 - 11:55 PM

Cat Stevens. Rod McKuen. John Tesh. Yanni. Tracy Chapman. Most of the current "swing" bands. Every recording ever made of "Fire and Rain", "So Far Away", "You've Got A Friend", "Helpless", "Old Man", "Dust In The Wind", almost all Christmas novelty songs, especially "Grandma Got Run Over By A Reindeer", "Heart Of Gold", any song that uses "4" instead of "for" or "U" instead of "you".

Subject: RE: Biggest waste of Vinyl, Tape or CDs
From: Arkie
Date: 21 Mar 99 - 11:08 PM

Do any of jewel's and morrisette's offerings have tunes? Maybe I haven't listened enough.