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Subject: BS: Adolph Hitler From: GUEST,John Date: 14 Jan 07 - 04:56 PM This is very controversial, but well worth discussing, we all know Hitler was a madman who plunged the whole world into chaos, but he also raised a country on the brink of the abiss into one of the most powerful nations ever within a very short space of time. so my question is what can we learn from those early policies that we could apply to todays world that would benefit all, and not just the chosen few. I would like to point out that i in no way agree with or sympathise with any far right group, but am merely putting forward a question for debate.
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Subject: RE: BS: Adolph Hitler From: Peace Date: 14 Jan 07 - 05:08 PM IMO, it is bullshit that he raised the nation to anything. He got the big money into weapons production and the young men into the military. Wasn't the first to do it, and looking around, he ain't been the last. Pardon me for saying, but F##K the NAZIS! Yesterday, today and tomorrow. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Adolph Hitler From: Paul from Hull Date: 14 Jan 07 - 05:24 PM Well, agreed Peace, "...F##K the NAZIS! Yesterday, today and tomorrow...." but, he did get the trains to run on time (an old line, I know) build a network of Autobahns across Germany, & got production way up in a country that was struggling more than most in the wake of the Depression Era. He even got the people working for what they were persuaded was the common good...it was just that the cause they were given was...well we all know what atrocities he led them to... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Adolph Hitler From: bobad Date: 14 Jan 07 - 05:29 PM A demagogue is a demagogue is a demagogue. "...F##K the NAZIS! Yesterday, today and tomorrow...." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Adolph Hitler From: Rapparee Date: 14 Jan 07 - 05:35 PM It was Mussolini who was supposed to have gotten the trains to run on time. According to folks who were in Italy at the time, that was bullshit. F##K the NAZIS! Yesterday, today and tomorrow! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Adolph Hitler From: Greg B Date: 14 Jan 07 - 05:36 PM He may, perhaps, serve as a lesson to the 'rest' of us about how a group of people who feel they've been screwed (i.e. Germans post Treaty of Versailles) and are being screwed can be maniuplated to commit atrocities. Which affect the whole world. Are ya listening, Condie? Dubya? I thought not. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Adolph Hitler From: The Sandman Date: 14 Jan 07 - 05:38 PM he was adolf hitler,his name was spelt with an f. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Adolph Hitler From: Paul from Hull Date: 14 Jan 07 - 05:39 PM Ah, I stand corrected then, Rapaire, thanks! Greg B...absolutely. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Adolph Hitler From: bobad Date: 14 Jan 07 - 05:41 PM Not to be confused with ADOLPH'S MEAT TENDERIZER. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Adolph Hitler From: bubblyrat Date: 14 Jan 07 - 05:43 PM Dear PEACE --I am nearly 60 years old ,& I live in a country run by selfish,incompetent,corrupt,immoral,war-mongering psychopaths who,a mere 40 years ago,would have been shot for treason against the People of Britain.They arrogantly preside over a nation beset by drug-addiction,alcoholism,teenage pregnancy,murder,rape,hitherto unknown levels of aggression & violence,& in some cases,levels of poverty approaching those of the so-called Third World.Children spit in the faces of their parents & teachers,old people are mugged in the streets & beaten up for their mobile "phones & whatever little money they may have-----Those responsible for these crimes,if they are sent to prison,are called SIR by their warders,& are allowed to have mobile "phones ---they do not,of course ,have to wear a uniform !!! I,& millions like me,have HAD ENOUGH OF THIS !!! So if somebody came along,--A STRONG LEADER,who could deal with all this CRAP ( WE CAN"T--we can"t own guns,we can"t get to the army to get their support,we can"t even protest outside NO.10 Downing Street any more without being arrested )Well, I for one would follow him as if he were THE MESSIAH---No,I would NOT wish to see another Hitler, BUT,---if there was absolutely No alternative,then I would have to follow him, for the sake of my beloved country . Sorry,but that"s the sad state Britain is in today . |
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Subject: RE: BS: Adolph Hitler From: Big Al Whittle Date: 14 Jan 07 - 05:49 PM a nation beset by drug-addiction,alcoholism,teenage pregnancy,murder,rape,hitherto unknown levels of aggression & violence...... (well if you will go to Market Rasen Folk Club.........) |
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Subject: RE: BS: Adolph Hitler From: GUEST,Crazyhorse Date: 14 Jan 07 - 06:03 PM Don't you see bubblyrat, whether you support A or B it's this kind of attitude, following a STRONG LEADER with easy solutions, that creates all these problems. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Adolph Hitler From: GUEST,Crazyhorse Date: 14 Jan 07 - 06:08 PM And it isn't over Nazis in Italy |
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Subject: RE: BS: Adolph Hitler From: John O'L Date: 14 Jan 07 - 06:09 PM As I understood it, Hitler's rejuvenation of the German economy was dependant on the nationalistic frenzy he whipped up, the consolidation of political power and the removal or discredit of political opposition. It seems a high price to pay, and must necessarily lead to a very dangerous vantage point from which to view the future. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Adolph Hitler From: Paul from Hull Date: 14 Jan 07 - 06:11 PM How far would you follow such a leader though, Bubblyrat? Once a leader starts 'demonising' a segment of the population, then its gone WAY too far...but typically by then, its too late to stop it. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Adolph Hitler From: Big Al Whittle Date: 14 Jan 07 - 06:19 PM oh fer chrissake........! No.......there is no conversation here. Anybody who thinks Hitler has something to teach us, is bonkers. Period. just say NO. like you do when the Jehovah's witnesses ask you if you've given any thought to the state of the world...... No you haven't. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Adolph Hitler From: Little Hawk Date: 14 Jan 07 - 06:34 PM To simply label Hitler a "madman" is to avoid having to do much thinking about the man. He was not, by the textbook definition of insanity, a madman when he very effectively led a fledgling political party through years of social ferment all the way to the pinnacle of power in his country. What he was, was this: A pscychologically unstable man. A man who suffered from extreme paranoia and zenophobia toward 2 groups of people, Jews and Communists. A ruthless man who was willing to do whatever it took to gain power. A brilliant orator. A clever negotiator. A charismatic leader of other people. A man who was quite willing to bluff and lie outrageously when conducting diplomacy with other nations. Such men are very dangerous, but they sometimes do very well and become known as heroes (if they win). I think it is glib, unthinking, and basically pointless to routinely describe Hitler as "a madman". He was not seen as a madman by millions of Germans who supported him. If he had been clearly mad, I think it would have been immediately apparent to many of them, wouldn't it? He definitely became mad eventually when he started losing the war. He lost his mind. No doubt about it. So would many other ruthless and unstable men, under the same disastrous circumstances. To call enemy leaders "madmen" is a standard propaganda technique, intended to incite extreme fear and hatred in the people to whom the propaganda is directed. It is assumed that this will make them fight harder in a war against those enemy leaders. Thus, Saddam Hussein was referred to as a "madman", and Ahmadinejad is referred to as a "madman". Standard propaganada. The truth is, Saddam was not a madman, he was a ruthless, strongarm, bloody dictator who made mistakes now and then. Ahmadinejad is very likely not a madman either, by any stretch of the imagination, but the American administration will label him as such in order to demonize him. Is Bush a madman? I doubt it. I think he's probably just not a very smart man. Okay....enough lecturing on the term "madman", so frequently used for political purposes by people who want their public to support a war... How about your question? Did Hitler make some smart and effective moves in restoring Germany's economy and strength? Yeah...I figure so. Were those moves fatally compromised by his dark side? Yeah. If I was going to turn a society around, I'd set about doing it quite differently than he did. ;-) I would not do it by demonizing certain minority groups as a motivator for the rest of the people. I would do it by increasing employment, providing a fairer justice system, and protecting the environment (and a great many jobs could be created to do that). I would provide free national health care for all citizens. I would avoid provoking wars with other countries. I would attack NO other country upon any pretext whatsoever. I would avoid over-emphasizing military spending to the detriment of civilian spending. I would ensure that political parties were not beholden to huge corporate sponsors, but to the general public who elects them. Would that be easy? Hell, no. Anyone who tried it in the USA would end up dead, most likely. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Adolph Hitler From: Bee-dubya-ell Date: 14 Jan 07 - 06:51 PM The only thing Hitler and his ilk can teach is is what not to do. People like Hitler understand that desperation leads to tunnel-vision - that many people are willing to sacrifice higher abstractions like "equality" and "human dignity" in favor of more basic needs like "security" and "safety". Unfortunately, even today, there are many otherwise sensible people who are willing to listen to "leaders" who tell them things are desperate, whether they are or not. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Adolph Hitler From: Rapparee Date: 14 Jan 07 - 06:57 PM People seek simplistic solutions instead of actual ones. Hitler and his crew provided simplistic solutions ("It's the fault of the Internation Jewish Communist Conspiracy!"). People bought into it because it's easier than thinking, easier than accepting the truth that you brought on your problems yourself. Please read Eric Hoffer's book "The True Believer." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Adolph Hitler From: Paul from Hull Date: 14 Jan 07 - 06:59 PM Thankyou LH, you've said in there what I was trying, & I think failed, to say in my 1st post. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Adolph Hitler From: Joe Offer Date: 14 Jan 07 - 07:11 PM In many ways, Hitler was very much like us - a human being, not a monster. That's what's so troubling. It wouldn't take much to turn any one of us into a Hitler, or into one of his followers. People scream about any attempt to portray Hitler sympathetically, perhaps because they refuse to believe that they could do the same. I think he did what he did for what he thought were good reasons. If we are to avoid another Holocaust, we must study ourselves in comparison to Hitler, a real human being. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Adolph Hitler From: Ron Davies Date: 14 Jan 07 - 07:15 PM Hitler has just been captured by some duck hunters in Arkansas. It must be true since the newspaper (I think, called the World Digest), advertised itself as the only reliable source of information in the world). It also had the first pictures ever taken in Hell. They have great stuff at CVS. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Adolph Hitler From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 14 Jan 07 - 07:34 PM Don't forget that he was well and truly supported by many other mentally unstable guys like Himmler - who after personally leading "the Final Solution" Project, truly believed that he could then negotiate with the Allies to end the War and protect himself from the consequences of his actions. Also, Hitler and his thuggish henchmen (who look mostly indistinguishable to outsiders like me from many of the 'US redneck right wing', including those who have posted here at Mudcat!) were strongly supported by rich Capitalists (including some in the USA - some of whom were the grandfathers of current US Poiticians...) who saw an easy way to make lots of money, and thought that they could 'easily control him', much as the US has often thought it control others like Saddam and certain South American Dictators... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Adolph Hitler From: Little Hawk Date: 14 Jan 07 - 07:45 PM Exactly my point, Joe. Well said. People are eager to label such individuals as Hitler or Saddam or Stalin as extraordinary "monsters", as you say, because they are unwilling to consider that they themselves (or their leaders) are quite capable of making the same terrible mistakes...given the right circumstances. The same is true of the standard knee-jerk demonization of evil "Nazis" that people indulge in endlessly. It's a handy excuse to avoid looking at much more present realities with a much more critical eye. They can't admit or face up to the possibility that they might well fall for something similar just as easily as the Germans did in '33-'45. It can happen here. And it does happen. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Adolph Hitler From: kendall Date: 14 Jan 07 - 07:46 PM After WW 1 Germany was on her knees. No food, no infrastructure, inflation to the point where they needed a wheel barrow full of money to buy a loaf of bread. Ok, a question: Where did Hitler get the money to arm Germany and raise so much hell in Europe? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Adolph Hitler From: Little Hawk Date: 14 Jan 07 - 07:52 PM From a bunch of rich industrialists, a number of whom were located in the USA. War is good business. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Adolph Hitler From: mack/misophist Date: 14 Jan 07 - 09:28 PM As to 'how', Hitler hamstrung the unions, eliminated overtime pay, and instituted labour batallions. Then he got the organized churches on his side by throwing money at them. That last idea came from Mussolini. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Adolph Hitler From: Rapparee Date: 14 Jan 07 - 09:39 PM I asked my old history teacher where the Luftwaffe came from. I mean, the Treaty of Versailles had imposed very strict limits on German air forces and you don't raise an air force overnight. Know where it came from? Ye Olde Teacher didn't, but I researched it and found out. The Luftwaffe was trained in...the Soviet Union. Russia. Germany used airfields in Russian to train the pilots who would, in 1940, be flying against Russia. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Adolph Hitler From: Peace Date: 14 Jan 07 - 09:50 PM And they tried some tactics on the Spanish. Guernica come to mind. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Adolph Hitler From: Little Hawk Date: 14 Jan 07 - 11:00 PM Yes, the situation with regard to the Russians was very different at the time when the fledgling German Luftwaffe was being quietly built up. Don't forget that Russian and Germany were not enemies then. They were even allies for awhile, when they agreed to partition Poland in '39. There were also numerous "glider" clubs, and that sort of thing, back in Germany. Gliders had always been tremendously popular with Germans, and these clubs existed in their own right, but they were greatly assisted and enlarged by the Nazis as training grounds for future German military aviators. Smart move, actually. ;-) Anyone attempting to circumvent a totally unfair and oppressive treaty forced upon his nation would do exactly the same thing. I don't fault the Germans at all for having wanted to rebuild their armed forces. Any nation would have wanted to do the same. It was most unfortunate that they fell under the spell of an unstable demagogue and a most unpleasant bunch of fanatics and scoundrels while they were engaged in doing it. The Versailles Treaty was wrongful, unfair, and punitive in the extreme. They were justified in being angry about it, and in trying to circumvent it, in my opinion. Americans, placed in a similar spot, would have done the same. So would the English. So would the French. So would the Russians. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Adolph Hitler From: mack/misophist Date: 14 Jan 07 - 11:40 PM Along with glider clubs, there were also shooting clubs. Heinz Guderian directed the first panzer manoeuvres using trucks with cardboard 'armour'. They had trouble with small boys jeering and throwing rocks through the armour. And don't forget the Hitler Youth, which eventually became almost mandatory. It taught close order drill and camping skills. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Adolph Hitler From: number 6 Date: 15 Jan 07 - 12:05 AM "so my question is what can we learn from those early policies that we could apply to todays world that would benefit all, and not just the chosen few." What we can learn is to spread fear and paranoia into the population of the given country. A good conspiracy theory works well and from this 'theory' find a scapegoat to justify these fears, and paranoia. Good scapegoats are usually people of another culture, colour and religeon. Works really well if all these features can be rolled into one. Blend all of this into a well organized propaganda machine and this will unify the population (good jobs for all). Of course all this will be focused into building up armaments to protect you from this fear factor. Throw in some social programs to create an illusion of how the government benefits all .. like getting the trains to run on time, build one hell of highway and an affordable people's car and man ... there ya go. You got the population right behind all the way. biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Adolph Hitler From: number 6 Date: 15 Jan 07 - 12:17 AM "I don't fault the Germans at all for having wanted to rebuild their armed forces. Any nation would have wanted to do the same." Oh no ... not at all. Maybe Canada should do the same ... after all we have the crazy war monging Americans below us, the the drug smuggling Mexicans below them ... we got the Al Qaeda over there ... Belarusia, I certainly don't trust, the Portugese off the Grand Banks taking our cod ... we got the .... Geeeez I'm getting quite worried now .... gonna e-mail my MP right away demanding we build up are own armed forces to protect us all from this surrounding evil. Jeeeeeezuz H. biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Adolph Hitler From: Little Hawk Date: 15 Jan 07 - 12:58 AM Canada is in a radically different situation, Bill, geographically and in almost every way, from that of Germany in the '30's, positioned as it was and is in the middle of Europe, with powerful ancestral opponents on every side of it, all with no treaty restriction on their military forces. To the west, France, the traditional opponent, with whom the Germans had fought numerous wars in the past, and who had the world's foremost army following WWI. To the east, Russia, another traditional opponent. To the northwest, the UK, another (more recent) traditional opponent. And you can't grasp that the Germans felt they had a right to arm themselves in an equal fashion to those traditional opponents???? Canada is by no means in such a position as they were. We have ONLY ONE neighbour, immediately to the south, and it is a neighbour whose population outnumbers us 10 to 1, and we could not possibly fight a war against them and win, so we have chosen to ally ourselves with them instead. No one else exists as a credible land threat to Canada. No one. The situation is in no way comparable, Bill. So let me revise my previous statement: "I don't fault the Germans at all for having wanted to rebuild their armed forces. Any nation of large size located in western Europe in the 20's and 30's would have wanted to do the same." And they all did, didn't they? I was not praising Naziism, Bill, I was stating a simple pragmatic truth, free of kneejerk prejudice, which is that the Germans, like any other large nation in Europe at that time, felt it absolutely imperative that they have a modern and capable armed forces, comparable to that of their recent foes. That was Realpolitik in a Europe which had seen more wars already than anyone can be bothered to even count. Period. Hitler capitalized on that feeling and used it to further his own nefarious ends. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Adolph Hitler From: Bert Date: 15 Jan 07 - 01:00 AM ...And don't forget the Hitler Youth... And don't forget the Boy Scouts, founded by Baden Powell to train boys in Military techniques. ...an affordable people's car... The British equivalent was the Morris Series E, which got put on the back burner until after the war. A much better car all round until it was superseded by the Minor. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Adolph Hitler From: Little Hawk Date: 15 Jan 07 - 01:12 AM As always, these things are seen as "good" or "bad" depending on who won the last conflict...and which team you consider the "home team". How many people are capable of seeing beyond their tribal, cultural, religious or national identity and being genuinely impartial in their judgements of others? One in a thousand? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Adolph Hitler From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 15 Jan 07 - 01:29 AM "hamstrung the unions, eliminated overtime pay, and instituted labour battalions. Then he got the organized churches on his side by throwing money at them. That last idea came from Mussolini. " Hmmm, you COULD be talking about Little Fascist Johnny... Now we have the IR laws in place, he has been pandering to the churches by installing 'chaplins' in schools (but I bet poor old Charlie won't get a job...), but is refusing to allow 'chaplins' for anything but 'permitted religions', ie nothing allowed for 'non-Abrahamic' religions, certainly no 'assistance' for committed Atheists, etc... Now for a bit of Harmless Self Promotion on Mudcat What A Friend We Have In Johnny Well, this IS a Music Forum... :-) Robin |
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Subject: RE: BS: Adolph Hitler From: Joe Offer Date: 15 Jan 07 - 02:51 AM Believe me, Bert, I've seen Boy Scout troops that make me a bit nervous. If their leaders are right-wing yahoos, look out! -Joe, who was registered with the Scouts for 30 years- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Adolph Hitler From: Big Al Whittle Date: 15 Jan 07 - 04:17 AM Ther might be better examples for us to follow. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Adolph Hitler From: skipy Date: 15 Jan 07 - 06:57 AM What have the Nazis ever done for us? Skipy |
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Subject: RE: BS: Adolph Hitler From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 15 Jan 07 - 07:54 AM 1) provided a good negative example of certain unacceptable civilised behaviour 2) pinched and desecrated on old cultural good luck symbol - stuill widely used OUTSIDE of Western Europe and most countries involved in WWII |
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Subject: RE: BS: Adolph Hitler From: number 6 Date: 15 Jan 07 - 08:12 AM "Any nation of large size located in western Europe in the 20's and 30's would have wanted to do the same." .... besides France, who was just as paranoid of the German's (maginot line), who else built up such a large armory out of fear? Germany is the only one really. I can find no justification in the German's rearming themselves to such a larch scale. It was nationalistic pride, delusions of paranoia being pumped up after getting the sh&t kicked out of them after WWII. But then a lot of countries got the sh&t kicked out of them didn't they. "The lost generation". biLL |
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Subject: RE: BS: Adolph Hitler From: Rapparee Date: 15 Jan 07 - 09:46 AM No one else exists as a credible land threat to Canada. No one. There are the Canadians.... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Adolph Hitler From: Greg F. Date: 15 Jan 07 - 10:18 AM Believe me, Bert, I've seen Boy Scout troops that make me a bit nervous. A lot of that turn of events is down to the move of Scout HQ from New Brunswick, NJ to the heart of loony christian[sic] fundagelicalism in Texas. Hence the Scout anti-gay campaigns of late & the turn to christian[sic] militarism. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Adolph Hitler From: Cluin Date: 15 Jan 07 - 12:49 PM "There are the Canadians.... " Especially the ones that live on reservations. And the polar ice caps. And our own government. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Adolph Hitler From: Les from Hull Date: 15 Jan 07 - 02:28 PM LH - you said earlier that Hitler 'suffered from extreme paranoia and zenophobia toward 2 groups of people, Jews and Communists'. This of course is true, but the Nazis were also somewhat more than intolerant of people of colour, homosexuals, people with mental and physical 'handicaps', Slavs, 'gypsies', socialists... They were imprisoning these people (and murdering them) long before the Second World War started (that's 1939 for most of the countries involved in the war). I'm not sure why people were surprised at Hitler's actions - many of them were predicted in that nasty little book he wrote while he was in prison. Don't follow leaders - watch the parking meters! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Adolph Hitler From: Little Hawk Date: 15 Jan 07 - 03:36 PM Agreed, Les. The Nazis tended to go after anyone they saw as different from themselves...or outside the narrow band of approval that they had concocted in their philosophy. I agree, Number 6, that the Germans overdid their rearmament program, and that was unreasonable. My point, though, was that it was as natural for them to want to have a strong national military as it was for the French...and for the very same reasons. The Germans were no more to blame for WWI happening than the French were. It occurred through a bunch of entangling alliances. It was not started by Germany. It started with a falling out between Austria-Hungary and Serbia. The Germans and French were pulled in by their alliances, as were the Russians and the British and the Italians. What a mess it was. I see no reason why the Germans should have been penalized in the way they were following the conclusion of that war. They were not the sole perpetrators of it by any means, they just fought very well and then had the bad luck to end up on the losing side, by virtue of being significantly outnumbered in both manpower and industry. It was the belated entry of the USA that put the nail in Germany's coffin in that war. Everyone else was worn out, bled white, and tired by 1918, but not the Americans, they were fresh and keen, and they had tremendous resources to bring to bear. France's desire to punish Germany for something that was not particularly Germany's fault in any exclusive sense set the stage for Hitler's later successes. It was a very stupid move on the part of the French. If all the involved nations could have gone home with their dignity intact at the end of WWI, it would have been far better for everyone in the long run. That would have been both honorable and wise. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Adolph Hitler From: Peter K (Fionn) Date: 15 Jan 07 - 03:37 PM No-one here knows what it must have been like to be German in the aftermath of WW1. The postwar settlements were iniquitous beyond belief, in particular the Versaille Treaty in which the French fell over themselves to make sure the Germans tasted dirt. In fact Germany had been no worse than any of the other empires that came crashing down in the wake of Ferdinand's assasination, and were not to blame for the war. Hitler saw the potential to exploit a humiliated population, and was incredibly far-sighted in the way he went about it. He also had a giant chip on his own shoulder that made him a driven man. Bankers and big business in the US - IBM, the Rothschilds etc - fell oer themselves to invest their dollars in the possibility of war. The New York Stock Exchange took one of its bigest single steps towards recovery the day Hitler was appointed chancellor. Hitler was also able to capitalise on the fierce antisemitism then rampant across Europe, his original plan (cf Mein Kampf) being to ship all the Jews to Madagascar. Such antisemitism was a major factor in how readily some countries fell in with him, and not only in cenetral/easern Europe. France became a willing ally in transporting its Jews east to their deaths. What Joe said is right (14 Jan, 07:11pm). Many of us, if the circumstances were right (ie wrong) could stoop to Hitler's level. Mercifully very few of us have anything remotely approaching his low cunning and extraordinary charisma. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Adolph Hitler From: Little Hawk Date: 15 Jan 07 - 03:59 PM Well said in every respect, Fionn. Isn't it odd how behaviour that was seen as tremendously charismatic in one era by one population could look so exaggerated and ridiculous through the eyes of a later era? Mussolini's arrogant mugging for his fascist audiences is another classic example of that sort of thing. I also always notice that the radio announcers and film narrators of the 1940's and 1950's tended to speak in a way that today sounds very exaggerated and bombastic. This is particularly evident in old American war documentaries made in that period. It's downright annoying to listen to that stuff now. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Adolph Hitler From: Greg F. Date: 15 Jan 07 - 04:41 PM Exaggerated and bombastic? You listen to Geo. W. Bush lately? He's well within the tradition... |
