BS: Jade (UK show character)

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: The Shambles
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 10:56 AM

And he's right - so they would. I don't think Jade is racist; but she made some remarks that can certainly be interpreted as racist, albeit with a very sensitive filter. The whole set of circumstances and the spat that ensued had more to do with class differences, in my opinion, than racism.

First off - did you actually watch the show live?

For all of the comments picked out and headlined really have to be taken in the context of the show and the attitudes intentionally encouraged.

This time, the label of racist was flagged up first in the media and then the attempt started to find some comments to support this. That is why the attempts to see any valid racist interpetations in Jade's comments in particular look so pathetic - now the show is over and the whole thing is being seen in proportion.

The last celeb BB introduced a token non-celeb - and this worked very well. But the result this time of the intentional attempt to repeat this success and mix the two types of BB suggests that the first attempt to expose and make fun the snobbery of our celebs was a lucky fluke.

Leo Sayer did a pretty good job on his own of demonstrating the ludicrous nature of this snobbery. I rather like the definition that being thought a celebrity is being allowed to bore ordinary people in conversations with the ordinary people thinking that it is their fault.

But like it or not (and clearly many did not like and were jealous of this) Jade, who probably would not consider herself to be one, was now a celebrity. Her family however - who (some of) the celebs were expected to play servant and wait on - were not. This was at the root of most of the patronising snobbery created and reactions to it which many found unpleasant watching but which was the quite intentional design of the makers.

But this was not taking in to account the attitudes of Jermaine Jackson who appeared (certainly at first) to see his insecurities as rooted in terms of race and Shilpa who quite intentionally played the race card and would have sold her grandmother in order to win and further her career.

And it was not taking in to account all of those weak characters who claim to have been fence-sitting - but were not. The problem was that they had all in fact taken sides and it was this that fuelled a simple spat that was not about stock cubes but about control.

And celebrities who no longer like to be thought of as working class does not mean being ignorant, or impolite, or unduly aggressive, or abusive.

For what then was Ken Russell's and Leo Sayer's excuse?

Hopefully any future shows will not try and mix two types of show which work well enough in their different ways. And the makers will recognise their responsibilities to avoid and treat all kinds of prejudice equally. And will support all of the housemates and not be seen to hang some out to dry - whilst going completely overboard to worship others.

But probably most importantly to stick the the shows object, to allow the housemates to sort out their differences and not to be seen to respond to any form of outside pressure.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 10:35 AM

I think youre spot on Ginge...

...though I know nothing about Bermondsey, & I'll have to take your word for it re that part.

Shambles, I think youre just trying to be deiberately contrary.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Scrump
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 10:30 AM

It appears that Jade Goody's perfume is labeled 'Shh...'

Yes, the makers were banned from printing the full word :-)

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 09:44 AM

2 things rise to the top, cream, and scum. It would appear that what we suffer from in this country is the inability to tell the difference between the two.
G ¦¬]

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 09:27 AM

And he's right - so they would. I don't think Jade is racist; but she made some remarks that can certainly be interpreted as racist, albeit with a very sensitive filter. The whole set of circumstances and the spat that ensued had more to do with class differences, in my opinion, than racism.

I believe Captain Ginger is correct in this at least: She represents a celebration of ignorance that has become more prevalent in England in the last few years, but is in no way a new "fruit". Twenty years ago, shopping for a few basics at a corner shop, I put my basket next to the till when my turn came, and put next to it the precise change needed, as I had worked it out while picking up the things I wanted - a habit of mine, as I like practicing mental arithmetic. When the girl totted up the bill by scanning the items in and realised I had already doen the sums in my head, instead of smiling and cracking a joke, or even saying nothing, she felt OFFENDED, as if I had tried to put her down in some way - so her reaction was: "Who is a clever bastard, then?" with a sneer. It could only have happened in England. It certainly never did in all the other countries I lived.

I don't know why such a celebration of ignorance finds a foothold here. Perhaps it is a phoney "class war" reaction? I do know this though: Being working class does not mean being ignorant, or impolite, or unduly aggressive, or abusive. Not here, not anywhere. Therefore it must take more than class difference to breed the Jade Goodys of this world.

No, I don't hate her or pity her in the least. She doesn't "disgust" me. But sure as hell, neither do I admire her!

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: The Shambles
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 08:56 AM

Our country is open and welcomes all cultures - except seemingly the reality the still class ridden and snobby one that is our own. Which we are quick to judge and try and distance ourselves from.

Shilpa claiming that she found our culture strange and wondering if it would accept her is a bit of joke when a recent poll established that the nation's favourite dish was Tandoori Chicken.

Jermaine Jackson's comments were put to him in a radio interview this morning. He claimed he was only stating was was said by others and that he liked and did not consider Jade to be racist.

To my best recollection, he was the only one in the house who referred to this and said that: in my country they would be referred to as white trash.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Cluin
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 08:37 AM

Tempest in a toilet.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Trevor
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 07:08 AM

'You are watching Big Brother' - Ha!

I suppose as we become more and more innured to bad language, crap behaviour and intolerance it will become more and more extreme.

Hence Jeremy Clarkson referring last night to Jade being a 'pig-faced, racist, waste of skin and organs'.

(And I'm afraid to say that, apart from that comment, which made me feel sick, and the feature about Richard Hammond's crash which I found quite moving - and a bit scary - Top Gear last night made me laugh more than any other telly programme in the last three months)

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 06:35 AM

that's the difference between the officer class Captain, and us peasants - you Komissars may prefer The Internationale and peasant girls dancing in their wellies, before a bracing seminar and inspirational address getting to the bottom of what Karl Marx really meant, give me the song of the vulgar boatmen anytime....

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Captain Ginger
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 06:08 AM

What Jade Goodey seems to represent is the celebration of ignorance that seems to have become the hallmark of white working class culture in the UK. Now that so many of the English seem to be desperate to be bourgeois, the minority left behind in the working class seem to have made boorishness into a badge of honour.
It's interesting that Goodey comes from Bermondsey. It's always been dirt poor, but it had its share of Passmore Edwards libraries and WEA centres. It's where the locals joined with immigrants to see off Mosley's facists in the Thirties. Today, however - if Goodey is representative - the white working class of Bermondsey have no interest in learning and less in tolerance.
For me this whole affair is as much about class as race. Shilpa Shetty was perceived as a toffee-nosed snob by the three white-trash women in the house, and her race was merely a stick with which to beat her. Had she been Anglo, she would have had the same disgraceful treatment from the slatterns, with Goodey as their cheerleader.
To say that she is worth more than the housemates and critics put together is, I hope, misplaced irony. She is a vulgar peasant with abhorrent views and disgusting behaviour.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: GUEST,ib48
Date: 29 Jan 07 - 05:56 AM

i have no chip,i just hate blatant ignorance,am i so wrong to think this.Why do you not find her a vile untalented git?

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: The Shambles
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 05:47 PM

Not sure that the result was ever in doubt from the moment Shilpa played the race card (and then pretended not to have played it).

But there was only one winner as far as I am concerned. Jade is worth more than the rest of her housemates and her many critics put together, and is the only one who has come out of this sorry mess with any credit.

Did anyone notice any notable ommissions in what was referred to as Jermaine's gems?

He was not quizzed unlike the three girls (and Jack) were and there was no mention of his reference to his housemates as 'white trash'.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 05:46 PM

Yeh I saw that. She owes it all to Jade.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Alec
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 05:08 PM

Shilpa won.
For what it's worth.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 11:35 AM

I ageed with Jade.

The Indian woman was an idiot, an overbearing stupid nasty piece of work.

There were three women in there who regularly cook for their families. yet she insisted on serving an enormous chicken after only cooking it for 45 minutes. Dingbat Jackson agreed with her. It made everyone sick . She insists on cooking when its quite obvious - she has never done a hands turn in her life. Still she shoos everyone else out of the kitchen. Complete arrogant moron!

JJ was going on about how ghe missed his family. he was lucky Shilpa didn't send him home in box with ecoli poisoning. would have served the dopey shit stirer right.

Not that I watch it a lot!

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Penny S.
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 10:55 AM

I think that Jade was used, as was, probably, her mother - I only saw a few tiny snatches, as I try to avoid the program. If a company runs a program which is predicated on huniliation of the participants, and the snatches I have seen since it started have never contradicted that impression, and which deliberately includes people who will not get on together, then it is the fault of the producers if there is bullying - and any bullying is unacceptable - and people getting hurt.

I am sorry for Jade. I started off feeling very differently about her behaviour, but I don't think it was her fault. The producers knew what she was like, and that she was not manipulating enough to handle the situation to her advantage.

There was one tiny little tell in the news footage of Shetty hearing that Jade was voted out which I did not like. She could have looked relieved that her bully was going. She could have looked happy that she was staying. But for a tiny second, she had an expression I have seen at school, that goes with a girl who has arranged for someone to get into trouble, and has succeeded in her aim. You know, the one that's called "the cat who's got the cream". Most infuriating at school, but makes one determined to get the evidence on that person and sort them out. And it's hard to do it. I'm surprised she hadn't learned not to show that face. I may, of course, be wrong in my interpretion, but the person I was watching with saw it too, and read it the same way.

Penny

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Jan 07 - 09:10 AM

I think a lot of the publics anger directed towards jade is actually misdirected. She was celebrated for her ignorance and put onto a media pedestal, where she sold glossy mags and was allowed down sporadically to voice her opinions on mid day time filler shows.

Four years on and the public are given another large dose of jade and realise that they misguidedly ever put this woman on a pedestal in the first place. The British public love an underdog. Jade provided that role without trying.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: The Shambles
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 08:00 PM

The fact that views about Jade's personality, fame and wealth divide public opinion is not in doubt.

Those who dislike her personality, fame and wealth perhaps should be aware that their feelings towards her alone - do not make her what our media have accused her (and others) of. I fear that was what was behind all this fuss which arose from an argument about stock cubes on a TV show.

Such accusations requires an objective judgement that cannot be made in such a climate.

This used to be thought of proudly as a fair country - but jealousy of those of our ranks who have risen to make good, seems to be behind the sort of outragous treatment that is openly displayed and reserved for public figures like Jade, David Beckham and his wife.

Where so-called football fans feel it is acceptable to shout out to David Beckham that they hope his children die.

That our media are irresponsible enough to judge and treat these public figures as if they were not real flesh and blood people with feelings just like us, but some sort of cardboard cut-outs is one thing - it does not mean that we must follow this example.

I suggest that it is vital that we do not.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Gizmo
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 05:14 PM

FWIW - Jade had the same opportunity as everyone else here to have a good education - in fact the school she went to was and still is very good for it's type.

She has not IMO got a very nice personality, and neither has she the excuse of how she was brought up, as there were plenty of other stable family members trying to get her to do better. Her problem lies in the fact that like her mum, she is stubborn, does not like to be told, and does not think before she flaps her mouth.

I found her awful in the BB where she got her fame. Her behaviour caused embarrassment to many who knew her. She speaks her mind, as she knows it, but then she does not get all the facts of her judgements. She also is not entirely honest, with what she says, thinks and does. She is however naive - despite thinking she is big.

She was a bully. She has had a hard life (who in this area of living hasn't?).

I have never agreed with her behaviour or attitude, the fact that she got praised and encouraged for it, just goes to show what a nasty little society I live in. What does this show our teenagers? children? She could be an example I agree, but a role model? Never!

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Blindlemonsteve
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 11:38 AM

Oh dear ib48, nice to hear a balanced opinion. I bet youve got a chip on both shoulders.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 10:54 AM

GUEST ib48...what does that make you? You obviously consider yourself something greater than Jade G.....

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Alan Day
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 10:49 AM

When Jade Goody originally appeared on the Big Brother programme she became a cult figure in the same way as someone gets up on stage and is so bad that everyone screams for more.Her education is sadly lacking ,but she has a good personality and as already said speaks her mind without engaging her mind.On the strength of doing so well on the Big Brother programme she has been plunged into TV programmes,even The Weakest link and did as well as one would expect.She has made a great deal of money on the back of the original programme that made her name.In exactly the same way the programme makers have plunged her back into the Big Brother programme with a group of people that it was obvious she would not get on with.In my view she was set up and ruined by the very people who made her famous.
She was lucky to get her break,she made the wrong decision to go back on the programme and has suffered the consequences.
Al

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: GUEST,ib48
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 09:38 AM

Jade is everything i hate about this country,a vile uneducated member of an underclass that has been allowed to develop here

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Alec
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 06:14 AM

Does seem a heavy-hande coincidence that all this blew up just as this witless show was dying on its feet.
Loss of lucrative sponsorship money might be seen as something of an "own-goal" though.
Some Reality TV is enjoyable,I personally love "Strictly Come Dancing" a show which has a live band & yet is STILL less orchestrated than BB.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: The Shambles
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 06:08 AM

I question whether a newspaper article such as the one on the front page of the Daily Mirror which started with the words - Racist bully Jade Goody - can be anything other than the very worse publicity possible.

After the eviction - last nights show featured a conversation with the remaining housemate's veiws about the Indian community.

It was instigated when Shilpa asked if there would be many people from India would be voting or present in the eviction audience....

The remarks from one of the American housemates Dirk Benedict - would if coming from any of the other homegrown housemates - have been sure to have started another race row.

He was pointed out that what he referred to as the native 'Brits' were soon to be outnumbered by the Indian 'Brits' - as he quoted statistics which showed that the Indians produced more children than the native 'Brits'.

I am sure that on his exit, he will not be grilled over these comments in the same way as Jade and now Jo have been.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: John J
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 05:46 AM

I don't watch the programme, my only exposure to Jade is through news broadcasts. IMHO the whole thing is a well-engineered publicity exercise. An apparently successful one at that, after all there's no such thing as bad publicity.

John

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: eddie1
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 05:14 AM

If I can throw in my tuppenceworth.
I have never watched Big Brother, or indeed any of the so-called reality shows (is what happens on them reality?) except, by accident, late at night when channel-flicking and have quickly moved on.
My knowledge of Jade Goody is only from newspapers and having seen clips of her on a couple of news progs on TV. She comes across to me as a not very clever person who has lucked out for a reason I don't understand, giving her an importance in her own eyes and those of many others that she does not merit. She is so sorry about the racist accusation that she has given her fee for BB to a children's charity and intends going to India to apologise thus keeping her name to the fore even after she has been chucked out of the BB house. I can picture her arrival in India. "Do you have anything to declare?" "Yes, I'm sorry." "Right. Next!"
When the whole racist thing exploded, my sympathies were entirely with Shilpa, an incredibly beautiful young lady, famous in her own country as a model and film star and being quite unjustly attacked by three British ladettes.
I subsequently read that the main reason for her getting into the BB thing was to get her name known over here and to break into the British film scene. She has certainly achieved the first of these, for the second, only time will tell.
She and Jade have issued a joint statement to the effect that what was said was not racist after all.
The boss of Channel 4 has admitted that without the controversy BB was in danger of becoming boring!
Now, I have no idea what to think – and I really don't care.

Eddie

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Blindlemonsteve
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 02:52 AM

Well done the shambles, couldnt have put it better myself......The programme you are talking about is called "Goodness Gracious Me" the scene is going out for an English. Really funny stuff....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9SE_qJ_hkg

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: The Shambles
Date: 27 Jan 07 - 02:50 AM

What planet are you from?

Richard - is there a term to be carelessly tossed around - for those od us who would discriminate against Martians?

Having seen the second of the three girls labelled by the media as racist bullies be evicted last night and also denied their 'normal' interview - it is now clear exactly what a storm in a tea-cup this was and how mis-judged the show's over-reation has been to it.

Davina, who for some housemates suddendly has become Jeremy Paxman on Newsnight - looked silly trying to grill a girl who honestly considered that she had done little wrong, did not apoligise and stated that it was all being blown out of all proportion - which was plainly seen to be the case.

The show's makers must stick to it claims for the show and not seen to be swayed by outside pressure (mostly from those who do not watch the show and who cannot see the editing clips in their true context).

Had they been seen to address the racist attitudes first openly displayed on the show by Jermaime Jackson and the later displays of prejudice on the grounds of class or mental illness - non of the later fuss would have occured.

Ironically it is Jremaine Jackson who is seen to be 'nice' and likely to win.

I am not sure what this is saying about our current society but it does not sound very heathly to me - or bode very well for the future.

For the record. Whatever planet they may have come from - Jade did not in fact call anyone a poppadom.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: The Shambles
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 05:01 PM

"Pappadum" to an indian is not racist? What planet are you from?

If you (or an Indian) called me a sliced wholemeal or a jaffa cake - would that be racist?

There was a very successful TV sketch show (with an Indian cast) that made fun of Indian culture with comments that went much further than anything said about India on Big Brother.

The show is about watching individuals falling out.

Because one of them decided to state that she was there to represent the whole sub-continent - this does not mean that anyone falling out with this one Indian person is insulting India or is racist for not being seen to like her.

It may turn out to be a game winning stategy, if a dangerous one but it is this and the attitudes demonstrated by this individual that have turned a simple personal spat on a game show - into a major row - if a totally spurious one.

If you want to find some justifcation for the serious labels our disgraceful media are encouraging the public to call Jade Goody - you can find them - even if you have to scratch around a bit.

But the show is about choosing who to boo and who to cheer. In such a climate, it is not possible to be objective. And serious charges like calling someone a racist bully on the front page of a newspaper - is something that does need an objective assessment.

Those of us who have actually been watching the show (at least like me up to the point when the show's makers and Channel 4 sacrificed Jade to save themselves from the media induced witch-hunt) will have noticed some real racist attitudes and comments.

I am sure that Jermaine Jackson is not going the be denied his eviction night audience and be quized over his attitudes and comments in the same way as Jade was. But it was these - behind the scenes attitudes - that did poison the atomosphere and flamed the disputes - rather than calming them.

It has passed without much comment that the journalist evicted from the house referred to Jackiey (Jade's mother) as being 'sub normal'.

That Ken Russell stated to Jade that she had a screw loose.

Or that Jermaine Jackson referred to certain of his housemates as 'white trash' and told another that the reason she was not liked was the colour of her skin.

The point is that this show and the channel that hosts it have many responsibilites. Being seen to be giving equal protection to all of its contestants is one of them. One that they badly failed to do with Jade.

The official line was that no racism was displayed - so why was Jade allowed by the makers and channel to be the scapegoat for the racism the makers claim was not displayed?

Jade Goody, to my mind is the only one to come out of this with any credit. What you get with her - is exactly what it says on the tin.

She was put in to achieve a reaction from her snobby housemates, who had to wait on Jade and her family. Then having caused the disired reaction - she (and her mother) was hung out to dry and take the flak that was due to the show's makers and the channel.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Blindlemonsteve
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 03:25 PM

Absolutely, scoville, I dont know if you saw the first BB with her in it, but she has come a long way since then, lets not shoot her down over a few silly words that have been taken out of all context by the media vipers. Might be a good idea to encourage her and not persecute her, we need to encourage others to follow in her footsteps and believe that the only way out of the slums is not through drug dealing and prostitution... just a thought, but i dont think i´m far off the mark, and in my experience, i reckon she might have come across people from ethnic minorities before, considering where she comes from. If she was racist, it would have been obvious before this media witch hunt.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Scoville
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 03:04 PM

Being a hard worker and being raised to say what's on one's mind doesn't mean one is not also racist. I don't know if she is or not, but I hope she at least learns that, as far as she may have come, she needs to learn to think before she flaps her mouth. And it doesn't matter at all if Shetty knows or doesn't know the reality of Jade's upbringing. I know a lot of people who were raised using "ni**er" casually, too, but that doesn't make it any less disgusting in the real world.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade (UK show character)
From: Blindlemonsteve
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 02:58 PM

Jade Goody comes from a world where you say whats on your mind, you dont stop to think, because if you do, youve got worse coming to you, her antics were not racist, her approach was bullying, but thats just a by product of the world she grew up in. In her defence though, she has come a long way in the last few years, she has obviously worked hard and created a media world around her, her business acumen has actually been very good. If i was in that position and Shilpa had said to me that the only claim to fame i had was because i had spoken to her. i think i can say hand on heart i would have got the hump as well. Shilpa is a lovely girl, but she has absolutely no idea of the world that Jade comes from. i hope this doesnt cost jade her career, she doesnt deserve to be thrown back to a life of social poverty because of an ill timed rant.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade
From: Spot
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 02:35 PM

Allo everybody...
                  This Jade character seems a bit Neanderthal to me, sorta reminiscent of a "missing link"...

                  That tv programme is completely beyond my comprehension..... but , so are most of 'em....

                  Regards to all

                         Spot

Subject: RE: BS: Jade
From: Paul from Hull
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 01:35 PM

In the context that they were bullying, to then call someone a 'poppadom' is then a racial slur....after all, they wouldn't have called her that were Shilpa not Indian (well actually they MIGHT, I suppose...)

Subject: RE: BS: Jade
From: Scoville
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 01:15 PM

I don't think it's the worst they could have called her but I think it's at least mildly racist, not unlike calling a Mexican a "bean-eater". Just because it's not in common usage and we're not used to hearing it as an accepted racial term doesn't mean it's not racist. I might get called a "princess" in the sense of a coddled young woman, but it's unlikely anyone would think to call me a "pappadum" since I'm not South Asian.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade
From: Rapparee
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 01:07 PM

Chuck and Camilla are coming to Philadelphia (may already be here, for all I know). He might be the Clown Prince back in Blighty, but here he's just a tourist.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade
From: artbrooks
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 12:07 PM

Now, I've never heard of this lady before. However, I'm always interested in the differences between versions of the "English" language. From my (American) point of view, calling someone of South Asian extraction a "pappadum" is rather like calling a jew "bagel." Stupid, certainly - I suppose maybe insulting, depending upon the tone of voice - but racist? If I say to the wife of one of the young Windsor men (are any of them married? no matter, for this question) "you may be a princess back in England, but...," how is that a racist comment? Just wondering.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade
From: Ebbie
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 12:04 PM

I haven't seen the show nor had I ever heard the woman's name before but I'm getting confusing bits of information here.

It appears that Jade Goody's perfume is labeled 'Shh...'.

'Jade Perfume' (at least one of them)profits is aimed at children in need, based in Minnesota .

http://www.jadefoundation.org/perfume.htm

Subject: RE: BS: Jade
From: GUEST,Bruce Michael Baillie
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 12:03 PM

...Actually I've heard that Jade Goody is so repentant about the bullying incident that she aims to change her religion and become a Muslim, she's also changing her name to Yahfat Fuquar

Subject: RE: BS: Jade
From: Gizmo
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 11:42 AM

Scrump - Someone I knew at an engagement party on the 30th Dec 06 was wearing the perfume Jade. On this woman it suited her, although nothing like Jade in ant terms! The smell is incredibly sweet and stickly (sickly and sticky rolled into one) - not to cloying like other types can be.

I personally would not wear that perfume, the scent would not suit me.

My dad works at the school Jade used to go to.
My friend lives next door to her uncle (her mum's twin - no less). He is completely different to Jackie and Jade. I have met Jackie (Jades mum) once. She was at the bus stop as me, and she was there with her girlfriend. They started talking to me, then she was saying things about Jade. I promptly replied - "Oh so you're related to Kevin then?" Which thus turned into one long conversation. - I had too much to drink, and all I wanted to do was go home, but this woman does chat on.

There is more to Jades background then many realise.

Even so, I still think she is a disgrace to herself (long before the racism blow - which I think went way out of proportion.

I think that there is something wrong with society and BB and the media, to promote this girl, who in all fairness, does not have the ability to think before she reacts, and put her on a pedestal to make herself look foolish for 'entertainment'. I find it cruel. It's not much different than putting a blindfold on a monkey, and laughing when he falls off the trees.

It's cruel. And wholly immoral.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade
From: artbrooks
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 11:42 AM

TV + "reality show"   Are we going to play the oxymoron game again?

Subject: RE: BS: Jade
From: JennyO
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 11:39 AM

I have a jade plant near my house. It's supposed to be lucky and bring me money. Still waiting.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 11:27 AM

I believe that there needs to be an intent if racism has to be proved in court Richard...the way puppadom came out was not malicious..neither was the FACT that she may be a princess in.......India..Australia....Timbucktoo...anywhere...."but here you're 'normal',the same as everyone else" was what Jade said, not you are different!!!!. The bullying has been admitted but I still believe that Jade was not being racist in her comments.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade
From: Rapparee
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 11:27 AM

There used to be an aftershave called "Jade East" but I don't think it's made anymore. I bought some jade for my wife, opals too. But I became jaded with TV long ago and don't watch much of it now.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 11:21 AM

"Pappadum" to an indian is not racist? What planet are you from?

"you may be a princess back in [something] land" to a foreigner is not racist? Hello??

And since when has "I'm not a racist bully, just a bully" been a defence?

Jade Goody is a disgrace to any civilisation. And she always was.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade
From: Georgiansilver
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 11:21 AM

Scouse or scouser = from Liverpool

Subject: RE: BS: Jade
From: Bee
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 11:15 AM

What the heck is a 'scouse girl'? I don't see this show, btw.

Subject: RE: BS: Jade
From: Hawker
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 11:03 AM

I agree that Danielle (The scouse girl) was worse, but I dont think that Jade can be accused of being a racist - a bully maybe but not racist. In fact, she is of mixed race origin herself - her paternal Grand Father is from the West Indies.
Cheers, Lucy

Subject: RE: BS: Jade
From: Scrump
Date: 26 Jan 07 - 10:42 AM

Jade is loud mouthed and not too careful what she says when she is angry

Is she ever careful what she says? That would imply some sort of ability to think :-)

As for the 'racist' issue, no, I didn't see it, but I expect as usual the media have exaggerated the seriousness of it. However, almost anyone except her would probably have known better than to say anything like that, knowing they were being broadcast to the nation.

I say 'almost', because I gather that the Scouse girl (some footballer's girlfriend or something equally worthy of fame) said worse things than Jade (but as I say, I didn't see it myself).