Songs about Yorkshire & Lancashire

Subject: RE: Songs about Yorkshire & Lancashire
From: GUEST,Graham Dixon
Date: 04 Sep 17 - 06:02 PM

I've written a few about Lancashire - The area between Preston & Blackburn - I call them my Brindle Ballads

Brindle Ballads - Graham Dixon

plus this one
We remember a Lancashire Hero

And this Bothy Bathroom Ballad

Subject: RE: Origins: Yorkshire / Lancashire
From: r.padgett
Date: 01 Aug 08 - 03:09 AM

Yes but he lived in Greenfield and had been out walking over the border to Oldham and was returning home!

Ray

Subject: RE: Origins: Yorkshire / Lancashire
From: folk1e
Date: 31 Jul 08 - 06:53 PM

"John 'O Grenfilt (Greenfield) sung by the afore mentioned Sid Calderbank, who of course captains the Lancashire side in the Wars. But Greenfield is in Yorkshire" .........Allio

isn't one of the lines "When I tell 'em from 'awdam' I've come"
..... that's "awdam" in Yorkshire then?

T' war were a goodun this time!
The songs are accompanied by some gentle banter.
Mr Accrington (in my opinion) came out with the winning line .... " the love that dare not bleat it's name"
Still .... all's fair in love an' war!

Subject: RE: Origins: Yorkshire / Lancashire
From: Alio
Date: 31 Jul 08 - 05:45 PM

Saddleworth 2009 is July 17th to 19th Hazel.

Ali x

Subject: RE: Origins: Yorkshire / Lancashire
From: r.padgett
Date: 31 Jul 08 - 01:08 PM

Yes The White Rose of Yorkshire adopted as the County emblem as can also be found on the Yorkshire Garland web site ~ somewhere!

Yorkshire Day last year August 1st was spent at Goole Waterways museum with Steve Gardham and Jim Potter and Roy Atkinson ~ the flag as backdrop, in scorching weather

Ray

Subject: RE: Origins: Yorkshire / Lancashire
From: Pistachio
Date: 30 Jul 08 - 02:31 PM

Spotted sopmething on the local news last night that the Yorkshire flag is Now officially recognised!!!

I knew that taking a flag and aload of little white roses to Saddleworth would result in 'something'...!

I'll bet the weather is fine over there,just inside the Yorkshire border...the heat at Warwick would have dried up any Paddleworth puddles within an hour.
Linda is on the mend,tho' still off work.
We're looking forward to next year.
What'll the dates be Ali?

Hazel.x

Subject: RE: Origins: Yorkshire / Lancashire
From: Alio
Date: 30 Jul 08 - 04:35 AM

John 'O Grenfilt (Greenfield) sung by the afore mentioned Sid Calderbank, who of course captains the Lancashire side in the Wars. But Greenfield is in Yorkshire - I know, cos I was born and brought up there!!
Ali

Subject: RE: Origins: Yorkshire / Lancashire
From: r.padgett
Date: 30 Jul 08 - 04:22 AM

Looks like no mention so far of Scowie and Sid Calderbank being members of the Lancs team of The War of the Roses, annual event at Saddleworth

These lads are in great danger of becoming Lancashire icons(or do I mean beacons!)upholding the Lancashire Traditions in song

No mention whatsoever of that unbelievable Stan Accrington or Les Barker for that matter

Ray

ok ok we lost again

Subject: RE: Origins: Yorkshire / Lancashire
From: Padre
Date: 29 Jul 08 - 02:48 PM

"Old Peculier' - originally brewed in Yorkshire, nichts wahr?

Subject: RE: Origins: Yorkshire / Lancashire
From: GUEST,trigger
Date: 28 Jul 08 - 03:17 PM

Check out this kid on youtube singing The Rawtenstall Annual Fair, very good although missed the rude verses! Click on th elink or go on to youtube and search for "The Rawtenstall Annual Fair, Jack Rogers"

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=EwkhfG-BR4Q

Subject: RE: Origins: Yorkshire / Lancashire
From: Bill S from Adelaide
Date: 10 Jun 08 - 07:18 AM

There may be a shire as is broader
But there's nobbut one ceawnty - just one
As King is a Duke on - that Lanky
An ther's nowt licks a Lancashire mon

A toast; The Queen, Duke of Lancaster

Words from Harry Yates - A Lancashire Mon in Harry Boardman's book

Sammy Shuttleworth's reet gud do, Manchester Molecatcher, Manchester Rambler, Nine times a night etc

Talking of local dialects, I was in Sydney and a lady came past and said "Excuse me" in a very distinct accent. I said "you don't come far from Bolton", she got reet indignant and said "I am not from Bolton, I'm from Walkden", I was one mile off!

Subject: RE: Origins: Yorkshire / Lancashire
From: Leadfingers
Date: 10 Jun 08 - 07:15 AM

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Subject: RE: Origins: Yorkshire / Lancashire
From: GUEST,Captain Farrell
Date: 10 Jun 08 - 06:01 AM

Re Battle of the Roses Saddleworth Folk Festival
I have not been to it myself always been to busy helping the Festival tick over but one thing Ido know is that Saddleworth is in Yorkshire and always has been.

Subject: RE: Origins: Yorkshire / Lancashire
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jun 08 - 01:31 AM

"You cant out yer muck in our dustbin, our dustbin our dustbin
yer cant out yer muck in our dustbin our dustbin's full"

Continues....

There's dogs in, there's cats in, there's old men's grey hats in, oh yer can't put yer muck in our dustbin, 'cos our dustbin's full."

Used to sing it as a child.

At Christmas or other family gatherings, people used to make up topical
verses to add to it, such as:

There's a chair in, a hare in, let's put Tony Blair in...oh you can't put....etc.

Subject: RE: Origins: Yorkshire / Lancashire
From: gnomad
Date: 18 Jan 08 - 12:10 PM

Cock Fight lyrics in this thread, various versions.

Subject: RE: Origins: Yorkshire / Lancashire
From: r.padgett
Date: 18 Jan 08 - 10:52 AM

Some interesting information here ~ re Mark Bennet

the Yorkshire Garland will be including such songs in their second phase ~ assuming we have the funding

the Cock Fight is included in the first phase, sung by Jim Potter

Ray

Subject: RE: Origins: Yorkshire / Lancashire
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 18 Jan 08 - 09:43 AM

I could be wrong, but I don't see this in DT

If it ain't there would youse like the rest of the words ?

Subject: RE: Origins: Yorkshire / Lancashire
From: Bryn Pugh
Date: 18 Jan 08 - 09:12 AM

I'm surprised that no one backing the Red Rose Ceawnty has come upo with

'The Oldham Cockfight' -

Come all ye cockers far and near
I'll tell of a cockfight, when and where
Upon the moor, I heard them say -
Atween of a black and a bonny grey.

The first to come in were the Oldham lads
Who came with all the money they had.
The reason for it, I heard them say
Our black's too big for your bonny grey

etc.

Subject: RE: Origins: Yorkshire / Lancashire
From: Ross Campbell
Date: 17 Jan 08 - 04:59 PM

Of course, if I'd checked the Digitrad, I'd already know that! "rose of york" produces the lyrics, and also, top of the list of threads, a corrected version from Lesley Hale herself, and her own description of the book. Sorry for duplication.
Ross

Subject: Lyr Add: THE ROSE OF YORK (K Thompson & L Hale)
From: Ross Campbell
Date: 17 Jan 08 - 03:37 PM

Here are the lyrics of The Rose of York mentioned by a couple of people above.

THE ROSE OF YORK
Ken Thompson & Lesley Hale

Oh my name it is Mark Bennett, I am a Yorkshire man;
I earn my living by my pen, tell a stirring tale I can:
But the tale I tell you now, boys, was writ by foolish men,
And petals fell from the Rose of York, never to bloom again.

Come all of you young married men, you boys of the bulldog breed.
We're looking for the strong and brave, that's what Britannia needs.
And we'll fight the Hun in Flanders, and the Germans on the Seine,
And petals fell from the Rose of York, never to bloom again.

We first set out to Egypt, where the heat was hard to bear;
We were waiting for the call to France, for the Boche were fighting there.
And we talked of what we'd do, boys; brothers, sons and friends;
And petals fell from the Rose of York, never to bloom again.

At last we heard that the push was on, and we sailed across the Med;
We little thought in two week's time we'd most of us be dead.
And the girls at home would weep, boys, with a grief that's hard to mend,
And petals fell from the Rose of York, never to bloom again.

With shouts of joy we lads did charge towards the German wire;
Our handsome Major was the first to go as the guns they opened fire.
His face no longer handsome, on the barbed wire met his end;
And petals fell from the Rose of York, never to bloom again.

Well, we had a Sergeant-Major, bold by nature, Bold by name;
But the German guns don't pick and choose, and Bold died just the same.
Then the other gallants followed, their coin of life to spend,
And petals fell from the Rose of York, never to bloom again.

We didn't want to lose you, but we thought you ought to go;
"Your King and Country need You!" - Lord Kitchener told us so.
But the tale I've told you now, boys, was writ by foolish men -
And petals fell from the Rose of York, never to bloom again.

I transcribed the words years ago from "The Bitter Withy Sampler", Nevis NEVR005.
Bitter Withy were an excellent close-harmony group comprising Tich Frier, Lesley Hale and Andy Ramage. I think the album was produced by Jimmy MacGregor.
Ken Thompson was a journalist in Edinburgh in the '70s, Lesley Hale was also from there. Tich Frier appears regularly at Fylde and is a powerful solo performer.

I have sung this song several times (not often enough) and often wondered what the Yorkshire connection was between the authors and the subject. A little Googling revealed a note on the website of folk group Mithras to the effect that the song is based on a chapter from a novel "Covenant with Death" (1961) by John Harris. Based on fact, it is the story of a voluntary city battalion (the Sheffield Pals) through 1914 to 1916 and its destruction at the Battle of the Somme. See Reviews of "Covenant with Death" for some comments - on the basis of which I'm off to buy the book!

Ross

Subject: RE: Origins: Yorkshire / Lancashire
From: r.padgett
Date: 17 Jan 08 - 01:08 PM

Weaving tales like any good storyteller

"The truth is out there," somewhere

Ray

Subject: RE: Origins: Yorkshire / Lancashire
From: GUEST,squeezeboxhp
Date: 17 Jan 08 - 12:50 PM

regarding Tommy Daniels bike it is in the Bradford industrial Museum on Moorside Road with some notes in the vintage vehicle section along woth the Jowett collection of motors. and whats more he told me himself he wrote poverty knock on a vist to the Singing Jenny Folk Club

Subject: RE: Origins: Yorkshire / Lancashire
From: GUEST,alan
Date: 13 Jul 07 - 04:29 PM

To set the record straight about Tommy:

He had a slipper stall on Hekmodwhick market. Poverty Knock as no connection with Lancashire what so ever.

I first meet him in 1965 in Dewsbury folk club (Station Hotel).
He had a yukalaly (spelling) that he made out of his old wardrobe door. It had the Key hole in the back. Honest

He used to say "I've now'bet two pennies lad", so what was so poor man to do.

You could buy his song sheet from him at Shilling. Sadly mine have well gone.

He had one about Ben Law. I think it was called the "Monugo Man"

As a totally different subject. Dewsbury was the first place that they put letters inside a stick of rock. So there Blackpool!!!

Subject: RE: Origins: Yorkshire / Lancashire
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Jul 07 - 04:06 PM

this still workin

Subject: RE: Origins: Yorkshire / Lancashire
From: GUEST,padgett
Date: 25 Apr 07 - 08:21 AM

Poverty Knocks was written by Tommy Daniel from West Riding of Yorkshire

also wrote Young Simon John, Owd Jim Slack and Mary o Mary Please Come 'Ome to me (Farmer and his Shrew)

Gus Gomersal sang Rose and York and I think Roy Bailey recorded it!

The Keith Marsden songs such as 'And they say it wasnt such a big disaster' and 'Normany Orchards' have me in tears

Ray

Subject: RE: Origins: Yorkshire / Lancashire
From: GUEST,Arnie at work
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 06:56 PM

One of my favourites has the refrain 'And the petals fell from the Rose of York, never to bloom again' - can't recall the exact title but it's about the butchery of a Yorkshire regiment in WWI. I'm a West Ridinger originally but still sing this song down in Kent occasionally and it gets me right there every time - whether it does the same for the Kentish audience is a different matter!!

Subject: RE: Origins: Yorkshire / Lancashire
From: Don(Wyziwyg)T
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 05:48 PM

I go for the unicounty option.

Poverty poverty knock.

It does for both, since the teller of the story is a Lancashire weaver, and that "skinny gaffer" just has to be from Yorkshire.

I'll get me cowat.
G'neet
Don T.

Subject: RE: Origins: Yorkshire / Lancashire
From: concertina ceol
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 05:34 PM

As a native of Sheffield and a Yorkie I am surprised that "Swaledale" or "Song of the Swale" hasn't been mentioned. I had the pleasure of hearing Billy Mills sing it about fifteen to twenty years ago before the carols got "popular". I sing the song most weeks in my current stamping ground of the weald in kent. The last verse about being away from home gets me every week!

I've always had a soft spot for Tony Capstick's New World Symphony/"Thei dun't know thei born today", especialy as our family was aquainted with Tony Capstick before the alcohol got him.

Also I couldn't see any reference to Joshua Jackson above? He was a miller who compiled about 500 tunes, songs and dances around 1800. (I think he played fiddle).

Subject: RE: Origins: Yorkshire / Lancashire
From: GUEST,Bensod123
Date: 24 Apr 07 - 03:47 PM

Can someone please send me "Owdham edge" I carnt get it anywhere :(

Subject: RE: Origins: Yorkshire / Lancashire
From: Scrump
Date: 26 Feb 07 - 08:42 AM

Now why did Lancashire people want to put coal in the bath?

You mean Yorkshire folk don't wash their coal, but just leave it dirty? :-)

Subject: RE: Origins: Yorkshire / Lancashire
From: Geoff the Duck
Date: 26 Feb 07 - 08:29 AM

Nice to see mention of Jim Jarratt. A little while back he did write The Yorkshire National Anthem.
Jim has a number of web sites including local/family history, walks and rambles, ghost stories and of course his songs. They link from this page http://www.jimjarratt.co.uk/
Quack!
GtD.

Subject: RE: Origins: Yorkshire / Lancashire
From: GUEST,Mark Dowding at work
Date: 26 Feb 07 - 08:22 AM

Coal in the bath is that stereotypical thing that suvverners think we northerners do on a regular basis like race whippets, wear flat caps and mufflers and eat our young when they fall ill. I tried racing whippets once but they kept beating me so I gave up!

Cheers
Mark

Subject: RE: Origins: Yorkshire / Lancashire
From: GUEST,HughM
Date: 26 Feb 07 - 08:09 AM

D'oh! Just realised! The road from Kildwick to Skipton, passing where Walter Greaves used to live, is the A629. The A650 ends at Keighley.

   Now why did Lancashire people want to put coal in the bath?

Subject: RE: Origins: Yorkshire / Lancashire
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Feb 07 - 02:41 PM

My mistake, I was thinking of My Own Dear Yorkshire Lass, also by Bolton's finest, which has the immortal lines:

And if she gets on top when we get into bed
I'll come through the mattress like chips.

Subject: RE: Origins: Yorkshire / Lancashire
From: Mark Dowding
Date: 23 Feb 07 - 01:31 PM

Judge for yourself about "Lancashire Lasses" - here's the first verse and chorus:

I know a girl and she's called Annabella
She stands on our grid every night with her feller
And how do I know that her knickers are yeller
I go down our cellar for coal

Lancashire Lasses can take all the passes
The thin ones the fat ones the ones who wear glasses
They're sweeter than cowheel that's spread with mollasses
It's Lancashire Lasses for me

Bernard rewrote the chorus so some folk may remember a slightly different one

For the foreigners looking in (people from Cheshire) houses round here were built with cellars that had a chute access from the street covered by a slatted grid and the coalman would lift the grid and empty a few bags of coal down there. It saved him making a mess on your carpet but you did have to put it in the bath yourself from the cellar.

Cheers
Mark

Subject: RE: Origins: Yorkshire / Lancashire
From: Scrump
Date: 23 Feb 07 - 10:50 AM

Well Bernard Wrigley has also recorded Lancashire Lasses so that cancels out his Yorkshire Lasses song :-)


(The Lancashire Lasses song wasn't all that complimentary either, as I recall :-))

Subject: RE: Origins: Yorkshire / Lancashire
From: Sugwash
Date: 23 Feb 07 - 10:27 AM

...and Sweet Lass of Richmon Hill.

Subject: RE: Origins: Yorkshire / Lancashire
From: Sugwash
Date: 23 Feb 07 - 10:24 AM

There's several dozen songs about Robin Hood, the well known Yorkshireman.

Scarbourgh Sands and the couple of hundred other songs in Holroyd's Book of Yorkshire Ballads.

Johnny Rise Up in the Morning by Bruce Baillie.

Yorkshire Lasses by Bernard Wrigley — not entirely complimentary about our womenfolk but we'll claim it anyway, cheers Bolton Bullfrog.

Subject: RE: Origins: Yorkshire / Lancashire
From: Scrump
Date: 23 Feb 07 - 08:21 AM

How do people pronounce "Find us"? I've heard it as it's read but I 've also read somewhere that it should be pronouced as in the frozen fish company (Findus) to rhyme with cinders.

Depending where you're from, you could pronounce it "finduz".

Subject: RE: Origins: Yorkshire / Lancashire
From: Charmain
Date: 23 Feb 07 - 08:19 AM

Rawtenstall Annual Fair - my all-time favourite song of all-time!

Subject: RE: Origins: Yorkshire / Lancashire
From: GUEST
Date: 23 Feb 07 - 07:16 AM

One thing looking at this YORKSHIRE has won

Subject: RE: Origins: Yorkshire / Lancashire
From: r.padgett
Date: 22 Feb 07 - 01:47 PM

Dave Burland used to both the original and posh versions as done Dave above

i wrote to local Barnsley Chronicle about this song and found one lady who knew it (one verse) and had the chorus:

You cant out yer muck in our dustbin, our dustbin our dustbin
yer cant out yer muck in our dustbin our dustbin's full

Which I think is well know in England

As you may know Roy Palmer has it in one of his books but i had never heard anyone in Yorks do it "from the tradition" although Robin Garside reckons he has heard someone do it as a non folky

Dave Malkin (folky and Dance caller) said that he knew and sung it locally too

Ray

yep findus/cinders

Subject: RE: Origins: Yorkshire / Lancashire
From: GUEST,Mark Dowding at work
Date: 22 Feb 07 - 10:38 AM

Dave - you're posh aren't you - I bet you get out of the bath to have a wee!!!

How do people pronounce "Find us"? I've heard it as it's read but I 've also read somewhere that it should be pronouced as in the frozen fish company (Findus) to rhyme with cinders.

Cheers
Mark

Subject: RE: Origins: Yorkshire / Lancashire
From: Scrump
Date: 22 Feb 07 - 09:30 AM

Dave, I thought it went:

Wur reight deawn in t' coil oil wheer t' muck slaps on t' win-ders,
Wiv used all eawr coil up an' wi' reight deawn tert cinders,
If bum bailiff calls he wain't knaw wheer ter find us,
Cos we're reight deawn in t' coil oil wheer t' muck slaps on t' win-ders !

Are you sure you weren't using the Midlands version? :-)

Subject: RE: Origins: Yorkshire / Lancashire
From: Dave Hunt
Date: 21 Feb 07 - 03:10 PM

Earlier on in this thread CharleyO'Neill wrote-


We're reight daahn int' coal oil wheret' muck slaps ont' windaes,
We've used all aar coil up an' wi reight daahn tut cinders,
If bum bailiff calls he won't know where to find us,
Cos, we're reight daahn int' coal oil where t' muck slaps ont' windaes !

Of course us Midlanders don't understand this foreign gibberish :-) so we have to sing


We are right down in the basement where the dust accumulates upon the casement
We have used up all our anthracite and simply left with the residue
When the landlord's representatives appear they will be unable to ascertain our whereabouts
For we are right down in the basement where the dust accumulates upon the casement

Dave of Shropshire

Subject: RE: Origins: Yorkshire / Lancashire
From: Scrump
Date: 21 Feb 07 - 10:54 AM

I think you'll find that the R100 and R101 were built at Cardington in Bedfordshire, not Shropshire, Dave (GUEST,Darowyn).

The enormous hangars are still there, and can be seen from a long way off. I once went to an open day there, and one of them is used for fire testing - there's a whole detached house built inside it, and they fill it with furniture and set fire to it, to see how long it takes to spread, using different materials, etc.

Not sure how that affects your theory about the song though.

Subject: RE: Origins: Yorkshire / Lancashire
From: GUEST,Darowyn
Date: 21 Feb 07 - 10:48 AM

It was interesting to hear that a song from Howden in Yorkshire was collected in Cardington in Shropshire, since there is a connection between the two places.
They are the two towns where the two great airships, the R100 and the R101 were built.
Since the Shropshire version was collected in the 1950's, it's entirely possible that it made its way to Cardington in the repertoire of some folk-singing Airship engineer.
Cheers
Dave

Subject: RE: Origins: Yorkshire / Lancashire
From: GUEST,HughM
Date: 21 Feb 07 - 08:01 AM

Thanks for the correction, Ray.
Bruce, the last time I saw or heard anything of Walter Greaves, he was living at Craven Forge, on the right-hand side of the A650 when travelling from Kildwick to Skipton. At one time the council wanted to throw him out because they considered the place to be untidy. There was a petition raised to stop the eviction. If I remember rightly he tidied up a bit and was allowed to stay. That would be 25 years ago or more.

Subject: RE: Origins: Yorkshire / Lancashire
From: Scrump
Date: 21 Feb 07 - 06:48 AM

But I thought this thread was about Lanky / Yorks songs, not artists.

That would be a whole new argument - I mean, discussion.

I can think of more Lanky artists than Yorks ones, but maybe there are loads of Yorks artists I've never heard of?

Subject: RE: Origins: Yorkshire / Lancashire
From: Grab
Date: 21 Feb 07 - 06:45 AM

Oops, missed it. Sorry Alio. :-)