BS: Does anyone live in Dingle, Ireland?

Subject: BS: Does anyone live in Dingle, Ireland?
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 26 Feb 07 - 02:41 PM

Just found I have some second cousins there...At least some would be named Fitzgerald with Garvey great grandmother. Four brothers, Dan, Tim (my g. grandfather), John and Pat immigrated and left Mary Garvey (oh, my namesake or visa versa) behind who was married to a fisherman and therefore had food. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Does anyone live in Dingle, Ireland?
From: Rapparee
Date: 26 Feb 07 - 03:00 PM

My wife's family is from there; they still have the house although they mostly live in Cork now.

The love scene in "Ryan's Daughter" was filmed on their property.

Subject: RE: BS: Does anyone live in Dingle, Ireland?
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 26 Feb 07 - 03:05 PM

Cool. Could you ask if they know some Fitzgeralds who would have been a fishing family? mg

Subject: RE: BS: Does anyone live in Dingle, Ireland?
From: Les from Hull
Date: 26 Feb 07 - 03:41 PM

According to Google, Dingle was first established by the Fitzgerald family, and there are a number of business there with that name.

Subject: RE: BS: Does anyone live in Dingle, Ireland?
From: GUEST,mg
Date: 26 Feb 07 - 04:17 PM

More cool. Naturally I am descended from the royal families of Ireland (as is everyone) so I am wondering if they are. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Does anyone live in Dingle, Ireland?
From: Gulliver
Date: 26 Feb 07 - 04:33 PM

A chap who comes to our Dublin sessions comes from Dingle--Mikey Joe Fitzgerald, also our concertina player (but she's not a Fitzgerald). Both are Gaelgóiri (Irish speakers). I'll ask them during the week...

Subject: RE: BS: Does anyone live in Dingle, Ireland?
From: bubblyrat
Date: 26 Feb 07 - 06:01 PM

Is the regatta still going ??

Subject: RE: BS: Does anyone live in Dingle, Ireland?
From: skipy
Date: 26 Feb 07 - 06:05 PM

Simpe answer to your question, probaly.
Hope that helps, Skipy

Subject: RE: BS: Does anyone live in Dingle, Ireland?
From: Severn
Date: 26 Feb 07 - 06:07 PM

When's the berry picking season?

Subject: RE: BS: Does anyone live in Dingle, Ireland?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 26 Feb 07 - 06:18 PM

Is anyone here a Dingly Deller?

Subject: RE: BS: Does anyone live in Dingle, Ireland?
From: skipy
Date: 26 Feb 07 - 06:21 PM

Where the pixies sell contraceptives?
Skipy

Subject: RE: BS: Does anyone live in Dingle, Ireland?
From: dianavan
Date: 26 Feb 07 - 06:24 PM

Mary - Just off the Dingle Penninsula are the Blasket Islands. If you can find it, read Twenty Years a Growin by Maurice O'Sullivan. You'll fall in love with the people and be very proud of being from around those parts.

Go visit if you can. There are lots of B and B's and the music and dancing are great. Very friendly people. I will never forget their kindness and most of all, their sincerity. One night we took the music onto the street after closing and everyone waltzed in the moonlight. It was amazing!

Subject: RE: BS: Does anyone live in Dingle, Ireland?
From: mick p r.m s.c
Date: 26 Feb 07 - 06:51 PM

Dingle is great but if you want the music pubs make sure you go into the town. I stayed in a b and b on the seafront there on my honeymoon. For two days we went around the four or five pubs on the sea front trying to find some music. On the last evening about 10 oclock we wandered down this street and suddenly all hell let loose. There was a long road with music coming out of every pub. We had found the town. Should have asked earlier. Great place Dingle but Southern Ireland is great anyway. Cant wait till oct we are performing over there with The Nooks and Crannies.

Subject: RE: BS: Does anyone live in Dingle, Ireland?
From: Rapparee
Date: 26 Feb 07 - 09:43 PM

And the An Cafe Literatura (spelled wrong, but you get the idea) is a wonderful cafe/bookstore -- drop around. The American-style motel down near the harbor is okay and once in a while has some pretty good groups, but mostly it's for touroids.

If you look across Dingle Bay towards Coliste Ide, and then up to the tower, you'll see a wall just to right going down to the Bay. My wife's family's from the cottage at the bottom.

Gracious, just walk along Main Street if you want music! The Bridge Pub usually has something going....

Subject: RE: BS: Does anyone live in Dingle, Ireland?
From: Rapparee
Date: 26 Feb 07 - 10:04 PM

By the way, Dingle, Idaho is just a few miles from where I sit typing this.

Subject: RE: BS: Does anyone live in Dingle, Ireland?
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Feb 07 - 02:47 AM

Dingle is a makey-up name, the official name of the little town is An Daingean pronounced 'on dangyen' and it means a strongpoint. The business people in the town want to call it 'dingle' in case the stupider tourists can't find it. Its the same crowd that wants Paris to stop calling itself 'paree' in case the tourists might not find it on their next vacation.

Subject: RE: BS: Does anyone live in Dingle, Ireland?
From: mg
Date: 27 Feb 07 - 04:07 AM

Unfortunately my dear departed ancestors did not know that.

Does anyone recognize this place?

1825 in Maum an Oraigh, Townland Marhin, Civil Parish, Near Dingle, County Kerry

Apparently that is where they left..I think after the main famine but I know there were more..1855 seems to be the year. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Does anyone live in Dingle, Ireland?
From: Dave the Gnome
Date: 27 Feb 07 - 05:04 AM

Doesn't Mike Harding live there now? Or is he back in Dent?

Subject: RE: BS: Does anyone live in Dingle, Ireland?
From: Jean(eanjay)
Date: 27 Feb 07 - 05:09 AM

I've visited Dingle, Ireland and it's lovely there.

Subject: RE: BS: Does anyone live in Dingle, Ireland?
From: mg
Date: 27 Feb 07 - 05:29 AM

Looks like Ballyferriter was the village. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Does anyone live in Dingle, Ireland?
From: Mr Happy
Date: 27 Feb 07 - 08:18 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An_Daingean

Subject: RE: BS: Does anyone live in Dingle, Ireland?
From: Rapparee
Date: 27 Feb 07 - 09:01 AM

Nice play, now. Probably not so nice during the Famine. It's in the Black area, near what is now the Dun an Or golf course and resort (if my memory hasn't gone out on me again). St. Brendan left from a cove on the Pennisula, in case you didn't know.

If you've read "Peig" by Peig Sayers, you might also like some of these:

Peig Sayers, "An Old Woman's Reflections"
Micheal O'Guiheen, "A Pity youth does not last" (he's Peig Sayer's son)
Tomas O'Crohan, "Island Cross-Talk"
Tomas O'Crohan, "The Islandman"
Sean O'Crohan, "A Day in our life" (Tomas's son)
Maurice O'Sullivan, "Twenty years a-growing"
Padraid Tyers, ed., "Blasket Memories"
Eibhlis Ni Shuilleabhain, "Letter from the Great Blasket"
Leslie Matson, "Meini: the Blasket nurse"
Cole Moreton, "Hungry for home"
George Thomson, "Island Home: the Blasket heritage"
Lawrence Millman, "Our like will not be there again" (on the West of Ireland, not necessarily on the Blaskets)

Subject: RE: BS: Does anyone live in Dingle, Ireland?
From: Scrump
Date: 27 Feb 07 - 09:26 AM

Yes, I think they do, but not all that many.

Subject: RE: BS: Does anyone live in Dingle, Ireland?
From: ossonflags
Date: 27 Feb 07 - 11:47 AM

Will be going there in April been going there regularilly for over thirty years and is still my favourite place in Ireland.even though it is heavilly commercialised - is that dolphin still there?

If in Dingle have look in "Currans" pub just over the road from "Foxy John Moriarty" or go in "Murphy;s" on the front and say hello to Billy and Trudy, they play there most weekends.

"Dick Macks" is worth a look in too,I think at last count there were fifty places you could get a jar in Dingle.

Subject: RE: BS: Does anyone live in Dingle, Ireland?
From: Rapparee
Date: 27 Feb 07 - 11:59 AM

Including the hardware store!

Subject: RE: BS: Does anyone live in Dingle, Ireland?
From: Gulliver
Date: 27 Feb 07 - 02:37 PM

Guest, I have been led to believe by people from the area that over 95% of the inhabitants are against the name change to An Daingean, and that the few in favour live on the outskirts. But I believe the new road signs have already been erected.

Spent a great holiday in Glenbeigh a few years ago, after which we ended up, all too briefly, in Dingle.

Subject: RE: BS: Does anyone live in Dingle, Ireland?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Feb 07 - 04:15 PM

Dingle in the past tense would be Dangle then, wouldn't it?

Subject: RE: BS: Does anyone live in Dingle, Ireland?
From: Gulliver
Date: 27 Feb 07 - 08:48 PM

Should have known LH would make a smart comment here--he's been to every other thread...

Subject: RE: BS: Does anyone live in Dingle, Ireland?
From: Little Hawk
Date: 27 Feb 07 - 08:58 PM

Yeah, eh? ;-) Now if only someone would pay me to do it. I could buy that fancy budgerigar that I've been pining for.

Subject: RE: BS: Does anyone live in Dingle, Ireland?
From: mg
Date: 27 Feb 07 - 09:16 PM

Well, in past couple of days I have found I have relatives in Dingle, Wisconsin, North Carolina and now Seattle. This is neat stuff. I wonder if it is normal for the Irish to know so little about where their ancestors came from. I know it was essentially taboo to talk about the famine so maybe that included other talk of origins as well.

I am flumoxed by how so many Irish ended up in Iowa....my ancestors at least the Garvey ones seem to be after the famine...but I am wondering if whole communities probably took the same ship and ended up together.

Also I know my great grandmother who married a Devery, and her name was Eliza..came over by her self with no family...but I am reading howthey took girls from the workhouses and sent themto Australia and maybe Endland..and I am wondering maybe America? As endentured servants? I know she was a maid for the Taft family. I do want to find out her name so if anyone who can do geneology could help me...she was born around 1840 in Ireland...by the 1880 Irish census was living in Clermont, Iowa, and married to an older man, John Devery. She had about 8 children, all girls but one boy John. My grandmother's name was Ella Devery and is found in the census and ends up in Tacoma and Seattle married to John Garvey. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Does anyone live in Dingle, Ireland?
From: InOBU
Date: 27 Feb 07 - 10:15 PM

I used to race currach with Tim Fitzgerold, not in Dingle town, but on the Dingle penninsula, on the Maharees side, he is in a little parrish called Fahamor, about three houses west just of Maharees, Tim's house is the closest home to the US, as west as one could go in Ireland. You should go out by Castle Gregory, up the northern side of the peninsula. Ask for Tim at Spillane's pub. Feel free to write to me, at Lorcan Otway [e-mail], I have a photo or two of Tim somewhere, maybe it is the same Tim Fitz. He is married to Anne O'Carolin, a direct decendant of Turlock O'Caroline, from Roscommon. They are two of the best people I've ever known.

Is mise, le meas
Lorcan

Subject: RE: BS: Does anyone live in Dingle, Ireland?
From: dianavan
Date: 27 Feb 07 - 11:35 PM

ossonflags - Is Currans near the creamery?

Subject: RE: BS: Does anyone live in Dingle, Ireland?
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 12:40 AM

Gulliver, sorry to contradict you but I'm afraid your friends have got it wrong.

Some commercial and tourist business interests organised a non-official plebiscite for a strictly defined list of town-dwellers only. They were able to persuade a majority of that relatively tiny number of people that 'Dingle' should be the official name. But the majority of the inhabitants of the Corca Dhuibhne region - the so-called Dingle peninsula, are Irish speakers and are strongly in favour of continuing to call the town what they have always called it - An Daingean.

Although it has had a largely English-speaking business class whose leadership of the town has rarely been challenged, An Daingean has always been regarded as its 'capital' by Corca Dhuibhne, the West Kerry Gaeltacht. It has been supported by the Gaeltacht folk as well as Irish speakers from all over Ireland and increasingly, the world. The town has increasingly traded on that reputation as other traditional light industries have died, and has been receiving government funding for Gaeltacht development on that basis. It has regrettably, been common practice in Ireland to defer to the English language and those who insist on speaking it, everywhere and at all times regardless of the Irish speakers who may be present, even if in a majority. But today the rising self-confidence of Irish people generally is changing attitudes in this as in many other regards.

As part of the official Gaeltacht the town clearly cannot be allowed to 'have its cake and eat it', so to speak. It was just such an attitude that allowed whole parishes to slide quietly out of the Gaeltacht when boundaries were revised in 1956, leaving families of Irish speakers high and dry, simply because too many deferred to 'their betters'and spoke imperfect English in place of the fluent local varieties of Irish now gone forever.

I suspect the real problem for the commercial interests I've referred to is that the present surge of interest in Irish language and language-based cultural activities frightens them because they can't control it or dumb it down as they could 'funghi the dolphin'and similar easily exploited tourist draws.

The only question for those dwelling within the actual town boundaries to ask themselves is: do they wish to be part of the Gaeltacht or not? If the townsfolk really do want out, then the people of the entire West Kerry Gaeltacht should look to start building up An Buailtín/Ballyferriter, a smaller village to the west, as their preferred place for business and as the centre of the Munster Gaeltacht. Then 'Dingle' could be left to dangle.

Subject: RE: BS: Does anyone live in Dingle, Ireland?
From: mg
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 01:05 AM

so tell me what you know of Ballyferriter as that is the village my ancestors seem to have come from. mg

Subject: RE: BS: Does anyone live in Dingle, Ireland?
From: GUEST,Dickey
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 01:16 AM

I heard of one family living there named Berry.

Subject: RE: BS: Does anyone live in Dingle, Ireland?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 04:53 AM

ah yes good ould Chuck.........I can remember when every family had someone who could sing one of his songs.......

Subject: RE: BS: Does anyone live in Dingle, Ireland?
From: ossonflags
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 04:58 AM

Dianavan, "Currans" is painted red and cream has hats and things in the window and is directly opposite "Foxy Johns"

Subject: RE: BS: Does anyone live in Dingle, Ireland?
From: Gulliver
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 02:06 PM

Mg, there's lots of information on the web about the Irish in Iowa. Try this site for a start: www.celticcousins.net/irishiniowa/

Subject: RE: BS: Does anyone live in Dingle, Ireland?
From: Gulliver
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 02:24 PM

Guest, I'm only going by what I have been told. But in the recent plebiscite organised by Kerry County Council
didn't the vast majority of the inhabitants vote for the name to be "Dingle/Daingean Uí Chúis"?

My suggestion would be to rename the town to Dingel, both in English (keeps the pronounciation and only involves re-spelling),
and Irish (grammatically/phonetically correct). There are far worse linguistic corruptions in Ireland.

"What's in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other word would smell as sweet."

Subject: RE: BS: Does anyone live in Dingle, Ireland?
From: jimlad9
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 03:25 PM

Re: Dingle,Co Kerry

The Irish Health Service were going to build 3 Mental Hospitals in the Republic and so they built one in Dublin,One in Galway but then found it was cheaper to put a roof over Co Kerry.

Subject: RE: BS: Does anyone live in Dingle, Ireland?
From: Nickhere
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 07:12 PM

To mg:

I know Ballyferriter very well, as I spent many years going there during the summer with family and later on my own. I have lots of fond memories of the place, a cluster of houses and a church below the mountain. There were Irish ceilis (probably still are) where my sister and I won 50p in a kind of ceili version of musical chairs (that was a long time ago and 50p would go a long way). They still have a mass in Irish on Sunday mornings to the best of my knowledge. Just down the road and off a boreen to the left is one of the most beautiful beaches in Ireland if not in the world, Beal Ban (White Mouth). The whole peninsula has some of the most beautiful scenery in the country, dramatic coastline. The best way to see it is get out of the car and rent a bicycle in Dingle and cycle the head. Bring a few slices of bread to feed the seagulls and you will get amazing photos of them wheeling close by in the sky over the Blasket islands. The last time I was back there some new things had opened like a ceramics studio and a small museum of the region. The area is full of early christian settlements and stone crosses, if you like antiquities. One fellow (back the road closer to Ventry) has turned his house into a musuem to display his large collection of artefcats he assembled over many years, Some of the more amazing ones (for me) are the celtic boar figurine, the leather shoe worn by a child back in the 1500s he found near his home in Holland (yes, many Dutch and Germans in residence in the area i gather, a favourite spot along with West Cork).
If you want more info on your ancestors, you should consider trying out www.ancestry.co.uk (actually a US company, but for a small monthly fee you can get lots of information from Irish, UK and US databases, birth records, census returns etc.,)

Subject: RE: BS: Does anyone live in Dingle, Ireland?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 05:07 PM

I've been there, on my honeymoon - our twins were made in Ireland, after all. What a lovely place!
Kinda odd to find this thread today, it's the 1 year anniversary of my kids' dad's death. I don't miss him but still, I wouldn't have thought it had been a year...

Subject: RE: BS: Does anyone live in Dingle, Ireland?
From: GUEST,lox
Date: 02 Mar 07 - 04:19 PM

My fathers brothers second son (my cousin) is the landlord of a pub in dingle.

Subject: RE: BS: Does anyone live in Dingle, Ireland?
From: GUEST,Ventryman
Date: 03 Mar 07 - 07:01 PM

I live near Maum-an Origh. I heard tell of a Garvey family that lived there up to 1940-50. Don't know where they went.

Subject: RE: BS: Does anyone live in Dingle, Ireland?
From: mg
Date: 04 Mar 07 - 01:32 PM

NEXT year in Dingle is my rallying cry..2008 summer..I am going to try to get family emmbers and all my new second cousins to go there next summer..Ballyferriter to be exact. Tell the Fitzgeralds we hope to be there then. And any Garveys or Lyons that might be there.....this will be very great fun. mg