The BBC Board

Subject: The BBC Board
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 08:02 AM

Quiet innit? ;0)

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Scrump
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 08:10 AM

And the musical relevance of this thread is...?

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 08:10 AM

Eight posts this morning...9am to 1pm...that's four hours...that's er...two posts an hour....WOW!

And one of those was from a BBC host....

Heck they're getting desperate! ;0)

All this incredible music to discuss.....and yet....

Shame...but at least they've a nice quiet little board now...

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 08:12 AM

It was always a totally useless message board anyway, moderated to death, it's time it was allowed rest in peace.

eric

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 08:13 AM

The musical relevance of this thread is that Once Upon A Time, the BBC board was filled with interesting topics about folk and acoustic music. But now...it seems to be mostly the hosts or mods talking to themselves...

Still at least that way they can 'control' it far better. Can't think why they didn't think of that before really...

Perhaps some folk from here would like to contribute over there as well....now there's a thought...:0)

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 08:14 AM

Hi Dave :0) Cheery Smiley!

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Scrump
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 08:15 AM

Ah, OK, you didn't say you were discussing the BBC Folk & Acoustic discussion board - hance my question above. Thanks for the answer.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 08:18 AM

And...the fRoots board is mightly quiet too...What's going on? Is there an All Inclusive Funky Folkies Holiday going on somewhere that everyone else has gone to and not told me about?

Sorry Scrump...should have been more to the point. I was trying to write a short post! ;0) Splutter....

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 08:23 AM

Dunno about writing on both boards Lizzie. Feels a bit like having dinner at two tables (no facetious comments from those who know my girth please). Or worse - in two different houses; at the same time.

See you at Crediton?

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 08:23 AM

Now which of those boards are you banned from, can you remind me Lizzie?
Or was it both?
Also can you tell me what relevance either board has to Mudcat?

G.¦¬[

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: GUEST, fifth column
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 08:23 AM

Blimey - wonders will never cease! ;-)

I thought you'd gone a bit quiet actually Liz...

We do miss our missing members sometimes. Yes it's a bit subdued at the moment but things are fiery enough when needs arise - like over the awards business - and there are some seriously funny threads at the moment.

Good to know past posters are still around

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 08:43 AM

Hello MacKenzie!!

Well...I am SO banned from the BBC you'd not believe it! I've heard they have Bounty Hunters out for me! ;0) I wouldn't mind but I didn't even DO anything! Sheesh! Load of wallies!

fRoots I was banned from ages back, 'cos Ian can't cope with smilies...'tis not his fault...he's been taken over by the SAS whilst he was asleep I expect...the Smiley Annihalition Society that is...run by The Moaning Minnies...so I hear..chuckle!

However, he did let me back on again months ago...and said I could continue posting again..but...don't want to! (Great Big Cheesy Grin Smiley!) Besides, they use words with more than five letters in over there...and I so don't undertstand them half the time! ;0)

I'm thinking of going back on the BBC board soon as "Look She's Over There' but I don't think they'll laugh...WHEN did the BBC get taken over by Androids???????

And George...did you know that there's a Talking Post Office at Crediton? It used to come on to the Show of Hands messsageboard and say it was about to close and how unhappy it was...truly! Steve and Phil got so upset that they organised a benefit gig for it...and I think the villagers have now bought their PO themselves to keep it going...See...Country Life in action!

Ooh..I've never been to the Crediton Festival before George...I just dashed over to your site to find it...If I can I will, but I don't drive..(not safe in a car...only on a messageboard) ;0)....and trying to get there without one is a disaster reallyl...Hey, just SO don't get me started on the public transport system! GRRRRRRRRRR!

http://www.poppyrecords.co.uk/crediton/cred.htm

Ooh How Exciting! There's been another posting on the BBC board...sadly it's in a queue...Ho hum....What a daft system that is!

>>>>We do miss our missing members sometimes<<<<

I'm not missing...I'm right here...but the BBC now have the entire building alarmed in case I turn up. I mean WHAT did I DO????? Apart from tell the BBC they're in part responsible for the dumbing down of our society, that they're appalling for not letting all this incredible music out because they're too damned busy giving us Cliff Richard and Lionel Ritchie...and that their board is bonkers!

And John Leonard had his thread closed down! That's what I love about the BBC...Free and open discussion about their programmes, and their attitudes....

I'd strongly recommend that John Leonard takes the advice of his very own customer care manager.. :0)

Then...he should come over here and see how a REAL MESSAGEBOARD is run...where people are free to express themselves er..freely..and therefore the Moaning Minnies can't rule the roost...because people can actually answer them back...

I think they should have a thread where John Leonard, the hosts and the mods just keep it entirely to themselves...that would be interesting.. :0) ;0)

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: greg stephens
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 10:08 AM

I was very impressed with John leonard's way of arguing on a public message board. Make an extremely tendentious and obviously challengable statement, and then have one of his minions close it sound so nobody could reply. That really stopped me have any serious interest in that board. A discussion board is presumably for discuss, if it is used by its Owner to make Infallible ex cathedra statements it seems to have kind of lost track of its purpose in life.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 10:21 AM

It may be quieter than in the past, but only someone completely self-obsessed who thrives on conflict could prefer the atmosphere that existed before. Before you were banned, that is.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Scrump
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 10:35 AM

The moderators on all the BBC boards that I've looked at or contributed to seem to be biased in one way or another. If you don't agree with their point of view, you'll be lucky to get your comment posted (this is all IMO of course).

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 10:45 AM

As I said already, saying the same things on two message boards is like having two concurrent dinners at different places. Wasteful and of doubtful value. And anyway, I'd rather have dinner here in the poorhouse with all my mates, rather than in the mansionn where I am made to feel like a guest. After all I support folk, not just British folk; and the BBC's R2F&A board is no shopwindow for either, like its output on the airwaves - too limited.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 11:40 AM

Oh do put a sock in it Ruth/Joan or whoever you are today m'dear, there's a good ol' girlie! ;0) I don't thrive on conflict at all, but I sure as hell ain't a wimp and therefore I'll stand up to people like you Joan, tiresome though it gets in having to do that.

Still at least your board is lovely and quiet now. Excellent. Nothing I like better than a messageboard which has no messages on. Always a useful thing to have around...And it's great to see the BBC have spent our money so wisely in getting themselves such a quiet messageboard too.

And I'm right with you Greg. I thought it was an Absolutely Classic Leonard when he had his Oh So Open About Things thread closed down. That man makes me hoot at times.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 12:02 PM

If you're the victim and I'm one of the myriad bullies, Lizzie or Mrs Route or whoever you are today, how come you're banned?

I'm not.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 12:10 PM

Now, now, good people.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: The Sandman
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 12:14 PM

The bbc bored.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Jim Lad
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 12:35 PM

BBC Folk & Acoustic discussion board..... This must be what some of you were referring to in the past. I couldn't find it but now with the full title.... Think I'll brush up on my BBC accent and give it a jolly good run.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 12:39 PM

Ah yes..Joan/Ruth...good to see you being personal again though, seems to suit your nature, this 'let's try and embarrass her and drag her personal life out all over messageboards....Luckily though as I said earlier, I don't choose to go down to your level.

Now then as to your comment above....How come you're not banned and I am?

Ah well, please rest assured that I've written to the BBC and told them I'm extremely happy to help their Investigations Department look into why you, who called me a "nasty little racist" on their board, (thus breaking their rules about personal abuse) are still permitted on there and yetI'm not.

Interesting that one isn't it.

All part and parcel though of the new 'Freedom of Speech' at the BBC I guess. Some people are free to be abusive, rude, cruel, unkind, deeply personal, highly unpleasant, put people's families at possible risk, or tell downright lies about people and the BBC welcomes you with open arms. Yup, they even welcome you if you actually own up to 'ganging up' on one particular poster, as someone happily said in the Dave Gilmour thread way back now.

Yet, if you dare to stand up to the kind of people who do those things...you get banned....because apparently I'm supposed to just sit there and take whatever you and your pals decide to pour down upon me and not say a darn thing.

Strange ol' world at the BBC eh! ;0) One that I'm sure someone, one day, may be interested in sorting out for the better. Always the optimist me..

Personally I preferred it when the BBC stood for something honourable and was run by people who had some sort of integrity. Now we have 1984 Style Mods and people in control who don't give a flying donkey about honour, integrity, truth, decent behaviour or dealing with posters who use their boards for very little else other than to be unpleasant....

And of course, Smooths Ops own Customer Care Manager, John Leonard, has been holding two fingers up to anyone who dared to press their 'Complaints' button for years now! With a big smile on his face too, only recently having removed the offending and offensive photo, after someone complained on the BBC board about it...and yet...and yet...I complained about that same thing years back...and nowt happened. Well well...

I'd have complained to the Customer Care Manager of course, but er...

And these people are the ones who run the BBC Folk & Acoustic Board....Says it all really doesn't it.

You're kind of people perhaps Joan/Ruth....but they sure as hell ain't mine..so I'll leave you to them, quite happily.

Good to see the BBC Host has just posted again though. At least someone's over there! ;0)


Lizzie

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Jim Lad
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 12:52 PM

Woops!
I'm outa here.
Didn't realize I was on a BS thread.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 12:55 PM

I miss me too sometimes.
What I don't miss is reading LC being blatantly racist against good citizens of Borsetshire.
Hasn't Ruth got enough problems with the cowshed activities without a bonkers fake Devonian telling her she'll never be 'proper English'?
I got banned for naming 'madlizzie' as Mrs Route. Which she is.
And wondering when she's taking off for Canada to be with 'Sam'.
Which she hasn't. Unfortunately.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 01:06 PM

Well there's a lot of new hoodies on there, naturally....and the old hoodies have er..strangely disappeared...Now I wonder why that would be? Hmmmmmmm.....

Nope...the BBC is just..er..QUIET!

Damn shame...because Mysterious Guest Hoodie, once it was teeming with people, with posts, with threads, with enthusiasm and fun...and arguments as well. It was SO busy!!

Heck the Folkwaves thread alone became so popular that the BBC had to close it down! Great Big Smiley! It's a BBC logic...If something becomes popluar you close it...Simple really...Doh!

Of course, we were told that the BBC computer couldn't cope with the sheer number of posts on there (!!!!) and that 500 was the limit (Oh pureleeze!)...which was mighty strange as on the other boards there were threads that had topped 1,000 and were still going strong...

Course...it COULD have been that Folkwaves outshone and outshines The Mike Harding programme every single week and Smooth Ops couldn't cope with the fun, the community and the interest in that thread from a group of people who tuned in to Listen Live...and the Mike Harding thread was barely written on...

I expect 'Off With Her Head' (again) was the order from God Leonard's office....and so...Mel closed down that thread...Interesting that the Mike Harding one is still open though eh? ;0)....but then it's not reached 500 yet...However, I'll take bets that when it does...it'll stay open! ;0)

Oh my ban is way beyond life....The BBC Bounty Hunters have orders to search for me into eternity and beyond you know.... :0)   And I have no intention of ever visiting a board that is now run by such dishonourable control freaks.

Great shame that what was once a vibrant and pulsating board, is now a shadow of it's former self though.

Ho hum! :0)

Still...at least the Hosts can chatter away happily to themselves. ;0)
And the Moaning Minnies can retire and rub their hands together in glee about 'a job well done'......

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Jim Lad
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 01:19 PM

Looks like a really good site. Thanks for the tip.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Sorcha
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 01:24 PM

If you don't visit there, how do you know the Mods are posting, Mrs Route?

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 01:37 PM

"Ah yes..Joan/Ruth...good to see you being personal again though"

How was I any more personal than you? I simply used your real name, just as you did mine. Except that I'm not hiding my identity - everyone knows who I am, and I'm not ashamed of it.

"this 'let's try and embarrass her and drag her personal life out all over messageboards..."

No, love. You did that all by yourself.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 02:23 PM

I wonder where the post has gone that said 'madlizzie' was an arse and therefore wasn't missed at the BBC F&A but that they missed me cos I kbew what I was talking about?

I like posts that tell me that. So I was just filling you in on WHY I don't post there now. I got premodded and all posts mentioning Mrs Route were removed.

And now it's happening here. Wonder why. Who could be doing a thing like that?

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 28 Feb 07 - 02:25 PM

Ooh look...the Three Witches have arrived all on top of each other...

Hubble Bubble....girls...hubble bubble....

Did you know, that on the new Show of Hands thread it says their new video of Roots which is now on Youtube has had nearly 9,000 viewings!

Wonderful!!! :0)

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 03:52 AM

At last - someone really qualified to converse with Lizzie. They could discuss the relative merits of random spam generation...

Preceding spam deleted....Mudpiskie

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Dave Hanson
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 04:19 AM

Lets get back to the thread, which is the BBC R2 message board not a Lizzie bashing exercise, incidently it appears not to be a BBC R2 message board but a Smoothwankers, sorry Smooth Operations message board as obviously John Leonard always has the final word.

eric

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 07:40 AM

Why thank you Eric..how kind. :0) xxx

Ooh...things are looking up today...there's 16 posts on there so far this morning...and it's 12.33pm as I write...so that's erm....three and a half hours divided by...16...times 10...take away 4...then think of the answer you first thought of...

Works out about 5 an hour I reckon...although the host posted one...to apologise for all the mistakes Smooth Ops had made on the F&A board. Giggle! S'wonderful isn't it! ;0)

Hopefully word is trickling through from here now that the BBC board needs some messages on it....despite this thread having been moved below stairs for some strange reason.

I worry about the BBC though. I was told I musn't contact 'BBC staff' or 'those who work for the BBC'

Doh! Smiley!!

Is it me...or is that not the same thing??????

Perhaps....perhaps their staff don't work...so they have to bring in people who aren't 'staff' but who do work!

Aha! I think I may have cracked it! ;0)


Lizzie :0)

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 08:01 AM

There are lots of non-contracted (freelance) or sub-contracted (ie Smooth Ops) people who work for the BBC. So they would be people who work for the BBC, but not BBC staff. Not rocket science.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 08:52 AM

Ooh noooo! Sorry to rid you of your rocket science theory...but they're definitely NOT Smooth Ops...they were mentioned separately....

Now, they've been told they musn't contact me, Smooth Ops that is...which is an absolute hoot as they er..haven't..once...in all of this fiasco....but now it's an 'official no contact' I guess.

I LOVE the BBC Complaints system...it's wondrous! :0)

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Bee
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 09:44 AM

Good grief.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Ruth Archer
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 09:46 AM

I wasn't limiting subcontracted staff to Smooth Ops, I was simply using them as an illustrative example. There are plenty of other production companies who work for the Beeb; you've been asked not to contact any of them (or contracted BBC staff) because they see you as quite mad and possibly dangerous. I believe they've accused you of threatening their employees...?

Personally, I'd be mortified if I ever found myself in such a situation, rather than drawing attention to it.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 09:51 AM

Good grief.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 11:26 AM

>>>>you've been asked not to contact any of them (or contracted BBC staff) because they see you as quite mad and possibly dangerous. I believe they've accused you of threatening their employees...?

Personally, I'd be mortified if I ever found myself in such a situation, rather than drawing attention to it. <<<<


Oh Joanruth for Gawd's sake...do stop with this one woman campaign of vitriol.

Look.....I told you that I thought what you said about Show of Hands that time was appalling. And I still think it was. You're miffed because I told you that on a BBC board. You organise Loughborough Festival I believe and to go on the BBC board and say what you did about ANY act would have been appalling in my eyes....no matter if you were a festival organiser or not. I am not into the BBC messageboard being used as a vehicle to 'put the boot' into various artists reputations. And as someone who works in the folk world I felt that you should have not behaved in such a manner.

It got up your nose...and since then you've been like a leech around me...

The BBC have 'accused' me of threatening their employees, I presume you've read my Blog about it over on my Myspace page. I have written to them to ask them to send me this evidence and I have also said that I would LOVE their Investigations Department to look into this whole business. I've been on that board far longer than you Joan, I know all the threads where this has happened, and all the posts are still there. I've been asking the BBC to sort this out for YEARS and they have done absolutely nothing!

They know, I believe, that in court they'd not have a leg to stand on in all of this. I am perfectly willing for them to take me to court over this or to get their Investigations Department looking into it, as I have been asking them to do for a very long time now. I am that confident about my behaviour and I know exactly what they have put in their emails too as I still have them.

You Joan, have no idea about all of this. So might I suggest, politely that you take you pompous attitude over all this away from me, as you've not a clue what has been going on for years or what happened recently.

The BBC choose not to answer my emails. I wonder why. I can assure you that they do not think I'm 'dangerous' as you so sweetly put it, other than they are running scared. Even one of their own hosts 'attacked' me verbally on their board for being someone I was not...THEN she checked it out and apologised profusely. It's all on the board still to this day, as are many other things.

I have picked up the BBC's gauntlet and I have thrown mine down.

They have not picked it up.


Lizzie

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 11:40 AM

Sounds to me like you took umbrage because someone didn't share your passion for a performer, or group of performers, and instead of sensibly realising that we all have different tastes you attacked this person for her bad taste.
Now if you had shut up and accepted that we don't all like the same thing and that some of the things we hold dear are regarded by others as crap, then this whole farrago might never have occurred.
G

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:01 PM

No MacKenzie, that wasn't it at all actually. I think you need to read my post again. It was a question of intergrity. If the same thing had been said about George or anyone else I'd have reacted in exactly the same way, and that was merely to say that I thought it was an appalling thing to say.

Nowt wrong with that.

Why should I shut up? I am as entitled to my opinion as you are. To me there are ways that Festival Organisers should behave, which go above and beyond those who are not connected to the folk world in that way, although I'd have still taken issue with anyone who'd said that, no matter who they were.

I could of course, turn your post on its head and say that perhaps you should have 'shut up' too purely because I hold Show of Hands dear and you perhaps regard them as crap. But over and over you tell me off for my opinions, whilst I recognise that you have a right to say what you think. Joan can like or dislike whomsoever she pleases, but a BBC messageboard is not the place to put down words as she did.

Oh...and the BBC have just removed the thread about Ashley Hutchings too. With details of where you go to sign the e petition for him to have be given a knighthood for his services to music and dance....

They have also removed posts on the Rainbow Chasers and Bollin Morris too. Why? Because I dared to pop over and write some things about folk music on their board...get it moving a bit for them...

I made it easy for them to spot as I called myself 'Shesoverthere' ;0)....and needless to say, along came a cute little moaning minnie...."Hello Lizzie" ...and then zap zap zap....

Still I guess that the Moaning Minnies would far rather score points over me, than let anything be written about folk music wouldn't they.
Sums them up entirely. Nasty, small minded, vindictive little nobodies basically....who'd far rather that no artist or musician was supported by someone they despise...

And you think I should 'shut up' MacKenzie?

On yer bike Laddie....

Lizzie

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:09 PM

There you go Lizzie you cannot even respond properly to a reasoned post, you end up by making personal remarks, which is what I would expect from a school kid.
I shall not respond in kind, why should I when there is apparently a queue forming to do it for me!
G.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:17 PM

LC said:

I am not into the BBC messageboard being used as a vehicle to 'put the boot' into various artists reputations

. . . so STOP DOING IT.
As many have told you so many times before.

You castigate someone for saying that they'd rather stick pins in their eyes than sit through a SoH set.
That's what's known as 'fair comment' and I feel exactly the same.
You, on the other hand, have musicians cowering in corners, asking in scared whispers, 'She's not here, is she?'
Go figure.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Wesley S
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:17 PM

I don't have a dog in this hunt - but when I see folks getting this upset it makes me want to ask the question:

Would you rather be happy - or right?

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:23 PM

Errrrr; both?

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: manitas_at_work
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:28 PM

Why come to this forum to slag off the BBC forum? If anyone here cared about it they wuld be there! After all you don't write to the Times to complain about the letters page in the Mail.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 12:28 PM

It takes a lot of dedication to follow concurrent spats on two threads by the same people - one in BS and one above the line. My eyes are blurring...

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 01:16 PM

Come on George...you can do it! "I've got faith in you..." to quote Show of Hands....;0)

The BBC have now even removed the link to Shrewsbury Folk Festival that I put in earlier...nowt else..just the link and a smile...but nope..

So if anyone's over there, could they put it back again please and tell the BBC not to be so childish, unsupportive and spiteful..

Thanks....

:0)

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: George Papavgeris
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 01:27 PM

I'm struggling, but I made it.

Subject: RE: The BBC Board
From: Lizzie Cornish
Date: 01 Mar 07 - 01:47 PM

Sounds like you need another portion of Moose Pie to me George! ;0)