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Origins: Never-Ending Songs

06 Mar 10 - 07:52 PM (#2857965)
Subject: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: ichMael

Checked the database and didn't see anything on this. Not sure which category it belongs in.

I was researching a song a friend used to sing--it just went on and on and on. Same verse over and over. Same line over and over ("I'll make you hate this song / I'll make you hate this song / I'll make you hate this song / I'll make you hate this song. repeat). It was meant to irritate.

Anyway, I found this webpage:

Sing a Never-Ending Song!

Is this a category of songs? Has it been researched and documented? Some of the lyrics from the webpage:

The Song That Gets On Everybody's Nerves
I know a song that gets on everybody's nerves,
Everybody's nerves, everybody's nerves.
I know a song that gets on everybody's nerves,
And this is how it goes...
(repeat)

The Cow Went Up the Hill
The cow went up the hill.
The cow went up the hill.
Next verse, same as the first,
it never gets better, it only gets worse.
(repeat)


06 Mar 10 - 08:05 PM (#2857974)
Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: Dave MacKenzie

There's a version of "The Bear Went Over The Mountain" in this category:

Oh a bear went over a mountain (3*)
To see what he could see.

And what do you think he saw? (2*)

The other side of the mountain (3*)
Was all that he could see.

So what do you think he did?
He climbed back over the mountain
To see what he could see.
And what do you think he saw ......


06 Mar 10 - 08:37 PM (#2857988)
Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: Susan of DT

The cow kicked Nelly in the belly in the barn
The cow kicked Nelly in the belly in the barn
The cow kicked Nelly in the belly in the barn
The doctor said it would do no harm

Second verse, same as the first
A little bit louder and a little bit worse

The cow kicked Nelly in the belly in the barn...


06 Mar 10 - 08:44 PM (#2857994)
Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: oldhippie

in kinda a rap beat:

Crazy, I was crazy once.
They put me in a room with padded walls
I died there, they buried me six feet under
Then the bugs came. Bugs.
Bugs drive me crazy.
repeat


06 Mar 10 - 08:53 PM (#2857998)
Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: Bill D

♫As I was walkin' down the lane,
down the lane, down the lane.
As I was walkin' down the lane,
I sang a song...that song had this refrain-

As I was walkin' down the lane,
down the lane, down the lane.
As I was walkin' down the lane,
I sang a song...that song had this refrain-...♫


06 Mar 10 - 09:15 PM (#2858009)
Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: Paul Burke

This song is about nothin' at all
Nothin' at all, nothin' at all,
This song is about nothin' at all,
That's why it's got no words.


06 Mar 10 - 09:51 PM (#2858032)
Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: Bill D

99 bottles of beer on a wall,
99 bottles of beer..
Take one down.....put it back up..
99 bottles of beer on a wall.

99 bottles.........


06 Mar 10 - 10:07 PM (#2858036)
Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: frogprince

The horse goes round, the horse goes round, the horse goes round, the horse goes round; The horse goes round, the horse goes round, the horse goes round, the horse goes round;

Same song, second verse; could be better, but it's gonna get worse...


06 Mar 10 - 10:07 PM (#2858037)
Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: Bill D

one that 'could' go on forever, depending on how many verses you can get in before they start throwing rotten fruit....

Lloyd George Knew My Father

Tune: Onward Christian Soldiers
Written By: Unknown
Copyright Unknown

Lloyd George knew my father,
Father knew Lloyd George
Lloyd George knew my father,
Father knew Lloyd George
Lloyd George knew my father,
Father knew Lloyd George
Lloyd George knew my father,
Father knew Lloyd George
Lloyd George knew my father,
Father knew Lloyd George
Lloyd George knew my father,
Father knew Lloyd George


07 Mar 10 - 04:58 AM (#2858143)
Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: GUEST,Gerry

Aleph-nought bottles of beer on the wall,
Aleph-nought bottles of beer!
If one of those bottles should happen to fall,
Aleph-nought bottles of beer on the wall.

This is the song that never ends
It just goes on and on my friends
Some people started singing it, not knowing what it was,
And they'll continue singing it forever just because...


07 Mar 10 - 05:45 AM (#2858169)
Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: Paul Burke

To (well) Oiled Lang Syne:

We're here because we're here
Because we're here because we're here,
We're here because we're here
Because we're here because we're here,
We're here because we're here
Because we're here because we're here,
We're here because we're here
Because we're here because we're here....


07 Mar 10 - 05:56 AM (#2858174)
Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: cetmst

On Ilkla Moor Baht Aht

There's a Hole in My Bucket

To the tune of When Irish Eyes Are Smiling:

There's a town in old New Hampshire;
There's an old New Hampshire town.
There's a town in old New Hampshire;
There's an old New Hampshire town.
There's a town in old New Hampshire;
There's an old New Hampshire town.
There's a town in old New Hampshire;
There's an old New Hampshire town.

For as many verses as you can tolerate.


07 Mar 10 - 09:56 AM (#2858308)
Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: Mr Happy

Marks & Spencers, next door to Woolworths
Marks & Spencers, next door to Woolworths
Marks & Spencers, next door to Woolworths
Marks & Spencers, next door to Woolworths

[ad infinitum!]

to tune of something Spanish don't know name maybe from Carmen?


07 Mar 10 - 10:27 AM (#2858319)
Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: dick greenhaus

My name is Yon Yonson
I live in Wisconsin
I work in the lumber camps there.
When I walk down the street
All the people I meet
Say, "Hello. What's your name?"
And I say....
My name is etc.


07 Mar 10 - 11:25 AM (#2858361)
Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: Leadfingers

Or if you dont want to actually sing :-

You remind me of a man

What man ?

A man with the power

What Power?

The power of HooDoo !

Hoo Doo ??

You Do

I do what ?

You remind me of a man

Etc etc etc


07 Mar 10 - 11:30 AM (#2858366)
Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: Mr Happy

Infinity plus one men went to mow!!!!!!!!!!


07 Mar 10 - 01:26 PM (#2858462)
Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: semi-submersible

Oh, the horse stood around with his foot on the ground [all on one note, stress on horse, round, foot, ground]
Oh, the horse stood around with his foot on the ground
Oh, the horse stood around with his foot on the ground
Oh, the horse stood around with his foot on the ground
[Spoken:] Second [or whichever number] verse; this is worse...

(When I was a little tot, maybe three, no more than five (slender, little oval pale face, round glasses, short dark hair) my mother went Christmas carol singing with friends, and took me along. Surprised to see me singing along, as she didn't think I knew "Oh Little Town of Bethlehem," she listened closely. I was actually singing "The Horse Stood Around with his Foot on the Ground." So such songs can do some good after all.)


07 Mar 10 - 04:43 PM (#2858575)
Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: Rowan

You'll find others on the thread
Help: Terminology for endless loop songs

Cheers, Rowan


07 Mar 10 - 04:43 PM (#2858576)
Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: Dave MacKenzie

John Jacob Jingle Hyram Smith,
Your name's my name too.
Whenever I go out,
The People start to shout:
John Jacob Jingle Hyram Smith.....


07 Mar 10 - 08:24 PM (#2858725)
Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: Joe_F

Da da da da da da da...


07 Mar 10 - 09:24 PM (#2858764)
Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: Charlie Baum

To the tune of "LIncoln Lincoln I've been thinkin'..."

"I don't care if I go crazy / one two three four five six switch
Crazy go I if care don't I / six five four three two one switch..."
repeat ad infinitum

The "dance" that goes with the song:
sing first line while leaning your head on your right hand
sing second line while leaning your head on your left hand
repeat ad infinitum

Learned from my friend Ken (Asher) Arbit

--Charlie Baum


07 Mar 10 - 10:34 PM (#2858800)
Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: semi-submersible

"Yon Yonson" above has its own thread with many variations, most never-ending, some printable. (Thanks to Open Mike for posting that link with Yon Yonson lyrics in the 2006 Logging Songs thread.)

Thanks, Rowan, for the older Ouroborian songs thread link. Over there they talked about calling these either recursive, re-entrant, or iterative songs. I'm no logician, but I can't see those terms fitting this particular circular or loop song category so well:

- Iterative songs repeat in a loop, but they don't have to do so infinitely. 99 Bottles of Beer is iterative, though finite.

- Re-entrant is a good term, but it makes me think of a song with an introductory part before the looping starts, something like the shape of a numeral 6, like The Bear Went Over the Mountain.

- I think "recursive" best describes the self-referential song (e.g. 12th St. Rag, Pennsylvania Polka, Tennessee Waltz): a song about itself, with lyrics paradoxically describing a history in which that song already existed. As in the Norman Rockwell painting of himself painting himself painting... each iteration contains the next one; they don't simply follow one another.

(Alternatively, each repeat instead of containing the next could be contained by it. I can't recall an example in song, but Robert Graves contrasts both ideas in a clever short poem "Warning to Children.")

Some of these Ourobarias or never-ending/loop songs quote themselves (...that song had this refrain:...) making them recursive too, but others repeat without inclusion (e.g. Lloyd George Knew my Father). If iterations don't progress, if they all stay at the same level, I don't think the song would be recursive.


08 Mar 10 - 12:24 AM (#2858835)
Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: open mike

the one that comes to me never ending love for you by
http://delaneybramlett.com/
link and lyrics posted here:
http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=127945&messages=1


08 Mar 10 - 03:58 AM (#2858912)
Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: Splott Man

Apologies if these have already been posted...

I can see for miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles and miles... (Pete Townsend)

---

Bluebells are bluebells
Bluebells are bluebells
Bluebells are bluebells
Bluebells are bluebells...

---

Be kind to your web-footed friends
For that duck may be somebody's mother
Be kind to your friends in the swamp
When the weather's cold and damp

You may think that this is the end
Well it's not and to prove that I'm no liar
I'll sing it to you once again
Only this time it'll be a little higher...   etc


09 Mar 10 - 03:33 AM (#2859819)
Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: Snuffy

The Goldfish
(Tune: O God, Our Help In Ages Past)

The goldfish is a useless pet
It never makes a sound
It just goes round and round and round
And round and round and round

And round and round and round and round
And round and round and round
And round and round and round and round
And round and round and round

And round and round and round and round
And round and round and round
And round and round and round and round
And round and round and round

And round and round and round and round
And round and round and round
And round and round and round and round
And round and round and round


09 Mar 10 - 12:07 PM (#2860190)
Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: Susan of DT

Around the corner and under a tree
A Sargent Major saind to me
I would like to know
Who would marry you
When every time I look at your face
It makes me want to
Run around the corner and under a tree...

The Goldfish (above) does have verses - only 90% of it is round and round.


09 Mar 10 - 01:37 PM (#2860249)
Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: Leadfingers

Graham Barnes of Robb Johnson's 'Minstry of Humour'had a string of silly verses for 'The Goldfish'


09 Mar 10 - 01:57 PM (#2860266)
Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: glueman

Three brigands sat in a cave,
One said to t'other 'Hey Joe, tell us a tale',
And this is the tale he told.

Three brigands sat in a cave,
One said to t'other 'Hey Joe, tell us a tale',
And this is the tale he told.

Three brigands sat in a cave,
One said to t'other 'Hey Joe, tell us a tale',
And this is the tale he told.


09 Mar 10 - 06:10 PM (#2860551)
Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: McGrath of Harlow

Why are we waiting?


10 Mar 10 - 05:45 AM (#2860842)
Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: GUEST,henryp

The Gasman Cometh by Flanders and Swann

It starts;
'Twas on a Monday morning the gas man came to call.
The gas tap wouldn't turn - I wasn't getting gas at all.

and leads up to;
On Saturday and Sunday they do no work at all;
So 'twas on a Monday morning that the gasman came to call...

As usual, Michael Flanders wrote the words, while in his memoir his partner said, "I took the tune from 'Dashing Away With A Smoothing Iron,' and simply changed it a little bit, just enough to make it copyright Donald Swann! But it is really based on a Folk song."


10 Mar 10 - 04:39 PM (#2861338)
Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: Rowan

My pleasure, semi-submersible.
My main reason for mentioning the thread was the listing there of so many of the ones already appearing on this thread. There are several here, however, that don't appear there, one of which is one from my youth. Its tune is something from opera (but the name of which I've never known) and I'm no good at dots.

A doggie stole a sausage
coz he was underfed,
the cook he saw him steal it
and now the poor doggy's dead

And all the little doggies
were very sad that night,
they made a little tombstone
and on it they did write

"A doggy stole a sausage
....
repeated for as long as can be tolerated.

Cheers, Rowan


11 Mar 10 - 12:41 AM (#2861576)
Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: GUEST,iancarterb

The way I remember the song from Rowan's post is

A dog came into the kitchen
And stole a crust of bread.
Cook up with the ladle
Beat him til he was dead

repeat to end of play, sporadically, from Samuel Beckett's Waiting For Godot.
Carter


11 Mar 10 - 04:12 AM (#2861620)
Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: Tradsinger

At school we used to sing (to the tune of 'Bless 'em all')

Goodbye horse, goodbye horse
I was saying goodbye to my horse
And as I was saying goodbye to my horse
I was saying goodbye to my horse

repeat ad lib until told to shut up.

Tradsinger


11 Mar 10 - 10:20 AM (#2861832)
Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: Fred Maslan

Water dear Henry can be sung endlessly with the non fetcher switching between Henry and Liza.


11 Mar 10 - 11:23 AM (#2861869)
Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: GUEST,leeneia

She put the lime in the coconut

(you can find the words on the web)


11 Mar 10 - 12:18 PM (#2861914)
Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: SINSULL

I know a man named Michael Finnegan
He grows whiskers on his chinnegan
Cuts them off but they grow in again
Poor old Michael Finnegan
Begin again

I know a man...


11 Mar 10 - 01:23 PM (#2861946)
Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: Bernard

Tom Pearse, Tom Pearse,
Lend me your grey mare,

NO!

(Hmmm... p'raps not... I'll think again and get back to you!)


12 Mar 10 - 09:42 AM (#2862593)
Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: fretless

The variant on Dave's that I learned is...

John Jacob Jingle Heimer Smith,
That's my name, 2, 4, 6, 8
Whenever I go out,
The People always shout:
There goes John Jacob Jingle Heimer Smith.
Ta ra ra ra ra ra ra.
(repeat...indefinitely)

And my daughter's variant on in ichMael's...

I know a song that gets on everybody's nerves,
I know a song that gets on everybody's nerves,
I know a song that gets on everybody's nerves,
And I can sing it 'cause I know all the words.
(repeat...indefinitely, or at least for the duration of the car ride)


24 Mar 10 - 09:58 PM (#2871211)
Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: GUEST,Elithot

I was taught a song called the never ending song:

This is the song that never ends
it goes on and on my freinds
some people started singing it not knowing what it was
and they'll continue singing it forever just because
this is the song that never ends
it goes on and on... well you get the picture


25 Mar 10 - 12:24 AM (#2871293)
Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: beeliner

That's tough

What's tough?

Life

What's life

A magazine

How much does it cost

It costs twenty cents

But I only got a nickel

That's tough

-----------

Where are you going?

To the movies.

What are you going to see?

"Quo Vadis?"

What does that mean?

Where are you going?

(This one is unusual in that the parts reverse with each repetition.)

----------

OH THAT'S GOOD, NO THAT'S BAD
(DeWayne Blackwell)

Sam The Sham & The Pharaohs - 1966

Not long ago I was walking down the street
When a woman in a car knocked me off my feet
(Ohhhhh, that's bad!) No, that's good!


My insurance paid me a lot of dough
More money than I'd seen in a year's payroll
(Ohhhhh, that's good!) No, that's bad!


My doctors' bills is where my money went
And all I had left was a very bad limp
(Ohhhhh, that's bad!) No, that's good!


'Cause the way I walked got me a role
As the marshall's partner on a TV show
Pretty young actresses started hanging 'round
And every night we'd do the town


(Ohhhhh, that's good!) No, that's bad!


I ended up back in a hospital bed
'Cause my horse fell on my bad leg
(Ohhhhh, that's bad!) No, that's good!


'Cause just when I was feeling my worst
I fell in love with a beautiful nurse
(Ohhhhh, that's good!) No, that's bad!


'Cause I found out she was the doctor's wife
Now I'll be in a wheelchair the rest of my life
'Cause no matter how I pleaded and begged
He operated on my good leg

(Ohhhhh, that's bad!) No, that's AWFUL!!

--------

In which film did Cary Grant do the "You remind me of a man" routine? I don't remember it being set to music.


14 Jul 11 - 10:55 PM (#3187968)
Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: GUEST,Mikan22

The variant on Dave's I learned is:
John Jacob Jingle Hiemer Smith
His name is my name too
Whenever we go out
The people always shout
Here comes John Jacob Jingle Hiemer Smith
LALALALALALALALALALA
(repeat)
Sadly I've only learned that one and The Song That gets on Everybody's Nerves


19 Jul 11 - 11:25 PM (#3191132)
Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: GUEST,Unknown

Red orange yellow blue
I really need to use the loo
But it smells like poopoo
Come on sing it too
Lets sing this over and over
Until we forget about the odor

Red orange yellow blue
etc..etc


20 May 12 - 03:27 AM (#3353128)
Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: Uke

Oh has anybody seen, said the thousand-legged worm,
Have you seen a leg of mine?
If it can't be found, then I'll have to hop around,
On the other nine hundred and ninety-nine.
Ninety-nine,
Ninety-nine,
On the other nine hundred and ninety-nine.
If it can't be found, then I'll have to hop around,
On the other nine hundred and ninety-nine.

Oh has anybody seen, said the thousand-legged worm,
Have you seen a leg of mine?
If it can't be found, then I'll have to hop around,
On the other nine hundred and ninety-eight.
Ninety-eight,
Ninety-eight,
On the other nine hundred and ninety-eight.
If it can't be found, then I'll have to hop around,
On the other nine hundred and ninety-eight.

etc. etc.

Tune: Polly-wolly-doodle.


20 May 12 - 09:22 AM (#3353263)
Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: GUEST

"You can't ride in my little red wagon
The axels busted and the ass is draggin

Second verse same as verse, etc."

Think there's more, but we sang that one in boot camp for the Navy and, indeed, it felt like it went on forever.


02 Jun 12 - 07:27 PM (#3358556)
Subject: RE: Origins: Never-Ending Songs
From: GUEST

this song is stuck inside my head and it wont go away it started when I first woke up and its been here all daaaay I don't understand it why did this one stick there's so many cooler songs I wish my brain would pick do do do do do do do do do this song is stuck inside my head and I cant get it out what makes it even worse is that that's what this songs about doctor said don't worry it wont last for long but everytime I go to her she's humming this dumb song do do do do do do do do do I hope you never hear it but if you do be strong hey I think this stupid thing is finally gone......NOPE (just keep going faster and faster)