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Lyrics Correction: Joy of Living (Ewan MacColl)

28 Dec 01 - 04:43 PM (#617760)
Subject: Lyr Add: JOY OF LIVING (Ewan MacColl)^^
From: Noreen

Yes, I know the DT already has the lyrics, but in several places they need correction, and not just the names of the mountains in the first verse.

This is such a wonderful song with such poetry in the words, I feel it's a great shame if the only set of lyrics available on the Mudcat/DT are seriously flawed.

I have italicised the corrected areas.

Joy of Living

Ewan MacColl


JOY OF LIVING
(Ewan MacColl)^^

Farewell you northern hills, you mountains all goodbye
Moorland and stony ridges, crags and peaks goodbye
Glyder Fach farewell, Cul Beag, Scafell, cloud-bearing Suilven
Sun warmed rock and the cold of Bleaklow's frozen sea
The snow and the wind and the rain of hills and mountains
Days in the sun and the tempered wind and the air like wine
And you drink and you drink till you're drunk
On the joy of living

Farewell to you my love, my time is almost done
Lie in my arms once more until the darkness comes
You filled all my days, held the night at bay, dearest companion
Years pass by and they're gone with the speed of birds in flight
Our life like the verse of a song heard in the mountains
Give me your hand then love and join your voice with mine
We'll sing of the hurt and pain
And the joy of living

Farewell to you my chicks, soon you must fly alone
Flesh of my flesh, my future life, bone of my bone
May your wings be strong, may your days be long, safe be your journey
Each of you bears inside of you the gift of love
May it bring you light and warmth and the pleasure of giving
Eagerly savour each new day and the taste of its mouth
Never lose sight of the thrill
And the joy of living

Take me to some high place of heather, rock and ling
Scatter my dust and ashes, feed me to the wind
So that I will be part of all you see, the air you are breathing
I'll be part of the curlew's cry and the soaring hawk
The blue milkwort and the sundew hung with diamonds
I'll be riding the gentle wind that blows through your hair
Reminding you how we shared
In the joy of living

Key to the mountain references: Glyder Fach is in Snowdonia, North Wales; Cul Beag and Suilven are in Wester Ross in Scotland; Scafell and Bleaklow are in the English Lake District.

Ling is a variety of heather, milkwort and sundew also grow on such mountainous areas.^^


28 Dec 01 - 04:52 PM (#617762)
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Joy of Living (Ewan McColl)
From: 8_Pints

I agree this is such a lovely song it deserves to be recorded accurately.

Bob vG


28 Dec 01 - 05:34 PM (#617781)
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Joy of Living (Ewan McColl)
From: GUEST,Paul

Thanks, Noreen,

Past experience does however suggest that the likelyhood of the corrections being added to the DT is pretty minimal.

I KNOW that Dick, Susan et al. do it on a voluntary basis etc...

However, they also refuse voluntary help to try and improve things, or at least that has been my experience.

Sorry to add a note of bitterness to your thread, Noreen.

It's a wonderful song.

Paul


28 Dec 01 - 06:40 PM (#617805)
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Joy of Living (Ewan McColl)
From: Susanne (skw)

Thanks for the corrections, Noreen!

This is what MacColl said about the song in a book of poetry somewhere:

[1989:] The last time I climbed Suilven, or to be more precise, failed to climb it, was in my seventy-second year. I was with my wife and fourteen-year-old daughter Kitty. "You go ahead," I told them, "I'll meet you at the top." But 'the flesh is bruckle, the fiend is slee', and I hadn't gone more than half the distance when my legs refused to carry me further. My body had given me plenty of warnings over the last seven or eight years but this was the final notice. My mountain days were over. I sat down on a rock feeling utterly desolate. The feeling lasted for several days and then my grief and feeling of loss gave way to nostalgia and I wrote The Joy of Living. In an odd kind of way it helped me to come to terms with my old age. (Ewan MacColl in Bell, Poetry 104)


28 Dec 01 - 06:53 PM (#617813)
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Joy of Living (Ewan McColl)
From: Noreen

Oh, Susanne, thank you so much! That adds so much to the song. I've not been able to get it out of my head for the last few days- it's a very emotional time of year.
click here for a picture of Suilven

which is now my desktop wallpaper.

(Paul, the point of posting the words here is that they are now accessible through the forum search, no matter when/if the DT gets updated.)


28 Dec 01 - 07:20 PM (#617829)
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Joy of Living (Ewan McColl)
From: Noreen

Glyder Fach Cul Beag (photograph copyright John Marriott)...Scafell ...

And may I correct myself, Bleaklow is of course not in the Lake District but the boggy bit near Kinder in the Derbyshire Peak District.. oops, I'll have to get out more.

(Guess who's just found out about the Images option on Google for the first time?!)


28 Dec 01 - 08:28 PM (#617865)
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Joy of Living (Ewan McColl)
From: 8_Pints

One of the most moving performances of this song we have ever experienced was at the memorial day for Ewan, at the Working Class Movement Library, Salford, in September 2001. It was performed by Alison McMorland and her husband, Geordie McIntyre. This was a very emotional concert anyway but after this song there were very few dry eyes in the hall. Many of the people present knew Ewan personally and all had tales to tell and songs to sing. Peggy Seeger sang "The first time ever I saw your face" after explaining that it was her face it was written for! We are delighted that Alison and Geordie have released a new CD (as part of the Tradition Bearers series) called "Rowan in the Rock". The Joy of Living is featured, along with many other wonderful songs - highly recommended!

Sue vG and Bob


29 Dec 01 - 04:57 AM (#617990)
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Joy of Living (Ewan McColl)
From: Clinton Hammond

I got this one from Garnet Rogers... inspired to learn it from the patter he used to introduce it with... told a quite funny story about a chum of his who's dad died and asked to have his ashes scattered on the north shore of Lake Superior... one of his sons was doing time in a Mexican jail and couldn't make it back in time for the service, so was greeted with pictures of the affair once he did finally make bail...

"Nice picture", he said, "But what's that big smudge on the shore line?"

"Well", said his brother, "You remember how dad always taught us, when photographing a landscape, to always have some body in the foreground..."

;-)


29 Dec 01 - 06:58 AM (#618014)
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Joy of Living (Ewan McColl)
From: Snuffy

I posted an abc/miditext of the tune here. Look for 30-Oct-01.

WassaiL! V


29 Dec 01 - 05:25 PM (#618239)
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Joy of Living (Ewan McColl)
From: Susanne (skw)

Thanks again, Noreen, for all the links. Would you mind if I used them in My Songbook once the song is added?

However, I think there's one mistake in the transcription you didn't correct: In verse 3, "Eagerly savour each new day and the taste that is now" would make more sense to me.

Sue & Bob: I'm doubly looking forward now to 'Rowan in the Rock', which I've just ordered from TLT!


29 Dec 01 - 05:36 PM (#618246)
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Joy of Living (Ewan McColl)
From: Clinton Hammond

Taste that is now... it get's my vote as well...

;-)


29 Dec 01 - 05:51 PM (#618255)
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Joy of Living (Ewan McColl)
From: Micca

Noreen, sorry what you have labelled Cul Beag, is actually Suilven from the other side..


29 Dec 01 - 06:00 PM (#618260)
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Joy of Living (Ewan McColl)
From: Micca

actually both images labelled Cul Beag on the search page (19 and 19a) are of Suilven,


30 Dec 01 - 03:11 AM (#618434)
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Joy of Living (Ewan McColl)
From: Jeremiah McCaw

Garnet's version is, I think, unique and quite fine. But the one that gets to me the most was recorded by Bobby Watt. Superb.


30 Dec 01 - 04:41 AM (#618441)
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Joy of Living (Ewan McColl)
From: nutty

Sorry Susanne but I fear that Noreen's version is correct.
It may not make complete sense to you but it is what MacColl wrote.


30 Dec 01 - 08:56 AM (#618473)
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Joy of Living (Ewan McColl)
From: John Routledge

Nice to see The Joy of Living going through the folk process :0)

Joy of Living to you all for 2002. Geordie John


30 Dec 01 - 10:43 AM (#618498)
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Joy of Living (Ewan McColl)
From: Noreen

Well spotted, Micca! Suilven is rather a distinctive shape, I should have noticed their labelling error.

Try this for a picture of Cul beag

Sue and Bob, thanks for adding that about the Memorial Day, my friend Alison told me how moving the experience was.

Susanne, I would be happy for you to use the links in your Songbook, but there may be copyright issues you need to consider?
And the taste of its mouth is what MacColl sings on Black and White- I rather like its physical symbolism.

Noreen


30 Dec 01 - 04:42 PM (#618655)
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Joy of Living (Ewan McColl)
From: Clinton Hammond

Oh oh oh!! Ya ya ya! Bobby Watt!! Very cool as well!

;-)

Actually, I seem to also recall Garnet saying that HE got the song off Bobby... He was driving late one night (Garnet?? NO!?!?!?!) and had Bobbys new tape in the car, and when Joy Of Living came on, had to pull over and have a good girly cry!

LOL!!!!!!!!


21 Jan 02 - 10:40 PM (#632706)
Subject: Ewan MacColl's 'Joy Of Living'
From: Francy

Am searching for the chords to Ewan MacColl's "Joy Of Living".....Have all the words and am having difficulty with the chord progressions. Would certainly appreciate them...Thanks so much..... Frank of Toledo


22 Jan 02 - 12:07 AM (#632737)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Ewan MacColl's 'Joy Of Living
From: Jeremiah McCaw

Here's hoping this will work for you. I seem to recall I got these from Sing Out! magazine. Theoretically the chords should properly align if you convert to a 14-point Tahoma font. Enjoy!

THE JOY OF LIVING -Ewan McColl

C C/E F C/E Dm G/B C
FAREWELL YOU NORTHERN HILLS, YOU MOUNTAINS ALL, GOOD-BYE
C C/E F C/E Dm G/A C
MOORLANDS AND STONY RIDGES, CRAGS AND PEAKS, GOOD-BYE
C C/E F Dm
CLITHAR-VACHT FARE-WELL, CEOL BEG, GOAT-FELL,
C/E Dm G
CLOUD-BEARING SOO-VAN
Am Em F C Bb/D C/E F
SUN-WARMED ROCK AND THE COLD OF BLEAKLOW'S FRO - ZEN SEA
Em Dm Em Am Dm G/B C
THE SNOW AND THE WIND AND THE RAIN OF HILLS AND MOUN-TAINS
Am Em F C Bb/D C/E F
DAYS IN THE SUN AND THE TEMPERATE WIND AND THE AIR LIKE WINE
Em Dm Em Am Dm G/B C
AND YOU DRINK AND YOU DRINK TILL YOU'RE DRUNK ON THE JOY OF LIV - ING

FAREWELL TO YOU MY LOVE, MY TIME IS ALMOST DONE
LIE IN MY ARMS ONCE MORE, UNTIL THE DARKNESS COMES
YOU FILLED ALL MY DAYS, HELD THE NIGHT AT BAY,
DEAREST COMPANION
YEARS PASS BY & THEY'RE GONE WITH THE SPEED OF A BIRD IN FLIGHT
OUR LIFE, LIKE A VERSE OF A SONG HEARD IN THE MOUNTAINS
GIVE ME YOUR HAND THEN LOVE, AND JOIN YOUR VOICE WITH MINE
WE'LL SING OF THE HURT AND THE PAIN AND THE JOY OF LIVING

FAREWELL TO YOU MY CHICKS, SOON YOU MUST FLY ALONE
FLESH OF MY FLESH, MY FUTURE LIFE, BONE OF MY OWN
MAY YOUR WINGS BE STRONG, MAY YOUR DAYS BE LONG,
SAFE BE YOUR JOURNEY
EACH OF YOU BEARS INSIDE OF YOU THE GIFT OF LOVE
MAY IT BRING YOU LIGHT AND WARMTH
AND THE PLEASURE OF GIVING
EAGERLY SAVOUR EACH NEW DAY, AND THE TASTE THAT IS NOW,
NEVER LOSE SIGHT OF THE THRILL AND THE JOY OF LIVING

TAKE ME TO SOME HIGH PLACE OF HEATHER, ROCK AND LING
SCATTER MY DUST AND ASHES, FEED ME TO THE WIND
SO THAT I WILL BE PART OF ALL YOU SEE, THE AIR YOU ARE BREATHING
I'LL BE PART OF THE CURLEW'S CRY AND THE SOARING HAWK
THE BLUE MILKWORTS AND THE SUN DEW, HUNG WITH DIAMONDS
I'LL BE RIDING THE GENTLE WIND THAT BLOWS THROUGH YOUR HAIR
REMINDING YOU HOW WE SHARED IN THE JOY OF LIVING


22 Jan 02 - 07:31 AM (#632866)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Ewan MacColl's 'Joy Of Living
From: GUEST,breezy

thank you Jeremiah


22 Jan 02 - 11:16 AM (#633015)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Ewan MacColl's 'Joy Of Living
From: Francy

Thanks so much Jeremiah....Just got up and am going to work on it this morning.......Where are you from? Frank of Toledo (Oregon).....


23 Jan 02 - 07:20 PM (#634127)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Ewan MacColl's 'Joy Of Living
From: GUEST,Richard, Penrith

Jeremiah; I can't comment on the accuracy of the chords, but as a singer & hillwalker, having been up most of the hills mentioned in the 1st verse I can put you right on spelling & location; "Glyder Fach (North Wales)farewell, Cul Beag (N.W.Scotland) Scafell (English Lake District) cloud bearing Suilven" (also N.W. Scotland) Bleaklow is nowhere near the sea, being a flat peaty moorland top in the Peak District though it might resemble a "frozen sea" in winter conditions, and be easier to walk on than in a wet English summer. I've never been sure of the penultimate line of the 3rd verse; "taste that is now" seems right unless anyone has a better idea. The version on the Digitrad database is horribly mangled, an illustration of the perils of oral transmission!


23 Jan 02 - 07:29 PM (#634128)
Subject: RE: Lyr/Chords Req: Ewan MacColl's 'Joy Of Living
From: PaulM

Noreen posted the correct lyrics in this thread a few weeks ago

Paul


12 Dec 02 - 10:50 AM (#845922)
Subject: Lyr Add: Joy of Living - Hey Joe, Lookie Here
From: Jeri

Somehow this got missed completely. The DT version of this beautiful song has some of the most embarrasingly silly mondegreens I've come across including "Eagle is safer each new day on the taster of his mouth." Huh?

Anyhow, I'm refreshing this in the hope that the changes can be added to the next verion of the DT.^^

It's on *Away From it All by Dave Webber and Anni Fentiman.

*And for those who are link impaired: http://www.mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=53999


12 Dec 02 - 01:51 PM (#846078)
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Joy of Living (Ewan McColl)
From: John Routledge

Roy Bailey on "Coda" - his second last album does a wonderful job of The Joy of Living. Sung as a tribute to Ewan - they come from the same era although were quite quite different.


13 Dec 02 - 09:54 AM (#846627)
Subject: RE: Lyr Add: Joy of Living (Ewan MacColl)
From: Paddy Plastique

Lovely song alright - sad that the 2nd person mentioned in Ewan MacColl's anecdote (Kitty/Kirsty) is also no longer with us thanks to some idiot in a speedboat off Cuba.
Have I seen somewhere that he used a Sicilian melody to set the words to ??


13 Dec 02 - 10:45 AM (#846669)
Subject: Joy of Living (McColl) - Another Pedantic CorXshun
From: Jeri

It says in the notes to the song by the person who sumbitted it "recorded by Ewan MacColl on "Black And White" (1986), with his
wife Peggy Seeger and their children Calum, Neill and Kirsty MacColl."

Not exactly. The notes to "Black and White" tell me the only other person on the recording is Peggy Seeger, who adds supporting vocals and plays guitar, banjolin and English concertina.

Calum MacColl is listed as a co-producer.
Kirsty MacColl is listed as a co-mixer.
Neill isn't listed in the notes to the tape.^^


09 Jan 04 - 10:52 PM (#1089777)
Subject: RE: Correction: Joy of Living (Ewan McColl)
From: GUEST,Ian

Has anyone got chords to this lovely song?


10 Jan 04 - 12:26 AM (#1089812)
Subject: RE: Correction: Joy of Living (Ewan McColl)
From: Dave Hanson

There seems to be some confusion about Ewan's children, Kirsty who was so tragicly killed was the daughter of Ewan and his second wife Jean Newlove, Kitty is the daughter of Ewan and Peggy Seeger, Ewans third wife.
eric


10 Jan 04 - 04:18 PM (#1090128)
Subject: RE: Correction: Joy of Living (Ewan McColl)
From: Folkiedave

Hi,

Two things to add to this thread:

In "Journeyman" Mac Coll's autobiography, "Cul Beag" is spelt "Cul Beig".

Less trivially, on "Desert island Discs" Peggy used this as her last song.

She spoke how Ewan had written this and how the family sang it to him as he lay dying. "Of course, hearing is the last faculty to go" she said, when asked if he she thought he had heard them sing.

For the first time in my knowledge not only did Desert Island Discs play a long-ish song in its entirety, but when he came to the bit about chicks she gave it an intro between verses so to speak. saying how he was referring to his children - so (I guess) people would listen more intently.

Both my wife and I were in tears at the end and within a few minutes a folkie friend telephoned to see if I had heard it and he described it is the most moving piece of radio he had ever heard.

Regards,

Dave
www.collectorsfolk.co.uk


21 Oct 06 - 05:40 PM (#1865272)
Subject: Lyr Add: JOY OF LIVING (Ewan MacColl)
From: GUEST,Andrew Wigglesworth

I've just looked at the transcription of the song "The Joy of Living", written by Ewan MacColl. It's a beautiful song, but completely ruined in the database by some whopping errors in the transcription.

Thanks to whoever tried to write it out, but this really should be corrected.

This is as it's in the database at the moment:


#############################
#############################
JOY OF LIVING
(Ewan MacColl)

Farewell you northern hills, you mountains all goodbye
Moorland and stony ridges, cracks and peaks goodbye
Glidderfach farewell, Coolbegs go fell, cloud bearing Sulven
Sun warmed rock and the cold bleak close frozen sea
The snow and the wind and the rain of hills and mountains
Days in the sun and the tempered winds and the air likewise
And you drink and you drink till you're drunk
On the joy of living

Farewell to you my love, my time is almost done
Lie in my arms once more until the darkness comes
You filled all my days, held the night at bay, dearest companion
Years pass by and they come with the speed of birds in flight
Our live like the verse of a song heard in the mountains
Give me your hand and love and join your voice with mine
We'll sing of the hurt and pain
And the joy of living

Farewell to you my chicks, soon you must fly alone
Flesh of my flesh, my future life, bone of my bone
May your wings be strong, may your days be long, sure be your journey
Each of you bears inside of you the gift of love
May it bring you light and warmth and the pleasure of giving
Eagle is safer each new day on the taster of his mouth
Never lose sight of the thrill
And the joy of living

Take me to some high place of heather, rock and ley
Scatter my dust and ashes, feed me to the wind
So that I will be part of all you see, the air you are breathing
I'll be part of the curlew's cry and the soaring hawk
The bloom ilk ward and the sundew hung with diamonds
I'll be riding the gentle wind that blows through your hair
Reminding you how we shared
In the joy of living
################################
################################


The mistakes make me cringe. I hope that no-one ever thinks Ewan actually wrote the song like that and starts singing those words.

Here's my corrected version - hopefully without any typo's :-/

################################
################################
JOY OF LIVING
(Ewan MacColl)

Farewell you northern hills, you mountains all goodbye
Moorland and stony ridges, crags and peaks goodbye
Glyder Fach farewell, Cul Beag, Scafell , cloud bearing Suilven
Sun warmed rock and the cold of Bleaklow's frozen sea
The snow and the wind and the rain of hills and mountains
Days in the sun and the tempered wind and the air like wine,
And you drink and you drink till you're drunk
On the joy of living


Farewell to you my love, my time is almost done
Lie in my arms once more until the darkness comes
You filled all my days, held the night at bay, dearest companion
Years pass by and are gone with the speed of birds in flight
Our life like the verse of a song heard in the mountains
Give me your hand then love and join your voice with mine
We'll sing of the hurt and pain
And the joy of living

Farewell to you my chicks, soon you must fly alone
Flesh of my flesh, my future life, bone of my bone
May your wings be strong, may your days be long, safe be your journey
Each of you bears inside of you the gift of love
May it bring you light and warmth and the pleasure of giving
Eagerly savour each new day and the taste of its mouth
Never lose sight of the thrill
And the joy of living

Take me to some high place of heather, rock and ling
Scatter my dust and ashes, feed me to the wind
So that I will be part of all you see, the air you are breathing
I'll be part of the curlew's cry and the soaring hawk
The blue Milkwort and the Sundew hung with diamonds
I'll be riding the gentle wind that blows through your hair
Reminding you how we shared
In the joy of living

################################
################################

Please, please, please can/will someone make the correction?


22 Oct 06 - 12:33 AM (#1865429)
Subject: RE: 'Joy of Living' - transcription mistakes
From: Malcolm Douglas

Corrections were posted in thread  Correction: Joy of Living (Ewan McColl) (2001)[above - threads combined]. You can find the discussion via the onsite search engine.

It is to be hoped that they have already been incorporated into the next version of the DT. For technical reasons (see past discussions) the online version cannot be modified piecemeal, so it is permanently several years out of date. This increasingly worrisome problem is being addressed so that, in future, corrections may be made as they arise, and before too many other websites have copied, and perpetuated, misinformation published here.

Meanwhile, it's probably best to post corrections (as concisely as possible, and avoiding unnecessary repetition) to the DT Attribution & Minor Corrections thread, or, if they are lengthy, a link there to corrections posted elsewhere (ideally in one thread only), so that the DT compilers can find them more easily.


10 Apr 07 - 12:02 PM (#2021429)
Subject: Tune Req: Joy of Living
From: GUEST,Visitor

Hi all, can anyone please point me in the direction of any download of the melody for Ewan's 'Joy of Living. I don't want a full commercial download necessarily as I wouldn't want to upset PRS, just enough to get an indication of how the tune scans to fit the words. Many thanks ...


16 Apr 07 - 10:31 AM (#2026809)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Joy of Living
From: Wolfgang

A bit of an indication is here

Wolfgang


16 Apr 07 - 01:28 PM (#2027030)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Joy of Living
From: Marje

The words given in the DT contain some real howlers. If you don't have the correct words, PM me with your e-mail and I can send them to you.

Sorry I can't help with the how the tune fits the words, I don't have a way of conveying it to you and I don't know of an online source.

Marje


16 Apr 07 - 03:57 PM (#2027162)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Joy of Living
From: GUEST

The tune was taken from a Sicilian traditional song; we have the original here somewhere.
'Guest visitor' I hope if you are intending to sing it you will remember it is called The 'Joy' of Living - and not turn it into a dirge the way a number of singers have.
Jim Carroll


16 Apr 07 - 06:54 PM (#2027334)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Joy of Living
From: Snuffy

Marje,

Here Joy of Living (Ewan McColl)^^ is just one of the threads where the correct lyrics have already been posted.

The right words are there in the threads, but I don't think the DT has been updated since early 2002, so no corrections have been made in the last 5 years.


17 Apr 07 - 01:20 PM (#2027929)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Joy of Living
From: Marje

Thanks for pointing out where the correct version is, Snuffy. I don't believe in being a stickler for absolute accuracy in lyrics, but I am so glad that "eagle is safer" etc have been corrected, even if people have to root around a bit to find the right words.

Marje


17 Apr 07 - 01:48 PM (#2027962)
Subject: Corrections to the Digital Tradition
From: Joe Offer

Well, I think we have a ways to go. I've seen a draft compilation of the next DT. Some of the mistakes in this song were corrected, but not all. In the thead Snuffy referred to, there are two "corrected" versions of the lyrics, and they disagree (not that these are two threads combined into one, so the people who posted lyrics hadn't seen each other's versions). It often happens that there are glaring mistakes in lyrics that are submitted as corrections, and I'm not sure what good people think that's going to do. If you submit corrections, please try to make absolutely sure what you have is correct. If at all possible, refer to a credible printed source, and state the name of your source in your post. If you've transcribed lyrics or a tune by ear, say so. If you copied lyrics from another Website, tell where you got it. If you doubt the quality of the transcription you've posted, say so (I admit that I sometimes post sloppy transcriptions in response to requests for pop songs, but I usually try to say so when I post). Documentation of source and the level of credibility of the lyrics, is often as posting the lyrics themselves. Be sure to put DT Correction: title of song in the title of your message, so the harvesters know that this is a correction and not a new submission. And when you post lyrics, try to ensure that they haven't already been posted.

I think I'm going to try to verify lyrics postings when I can, and add a notation of verification if I am assured the lyrics posted are correct. I've done that in the DTStudy threads, but we have lots more songs to study.

I'll see what I can do to work out something with Dick and Susan to ensure that our corrections are correct when we correct them....

-Joe-


04 Sep 07 - 07:31 PM (#2141024)
Subject: RE: Tune Req: Joy of Living
From: Noreen

Just found this posting while looking for my old thread with the correct words.

Joe says:
In the thread Snuffy referred to, there are two "corrected" versions of the lyrics, and they disagree

Joe, I have just put my posted words and those from the later thread (posted by Andrew Wigglesworth, saying virtually exactly the same thing as I said nearly five years earlier about the disservice done to a beautiful lyric by a flawed transcription) side by side and compared them.

In the whole song there is ONE WORD which differs between the two versions; I have:

Years pass by and they're gone with the speed of birds in flight

while Andrew posts:

Years pass by and are gone with the speed of birds in flight

While of course what you say is true in general, I think the concensus on this song is extremely clear from the thread discussed, from those who know well the original version of the song as sung by the author.

Joe says: If you submit corrections, please try to make absolutely sure what you have is correct

I do, Joe. I think you probably know a bit by now about which Mudcatters post carefully and thoughtfully?


20 Mar 10 - 04:06 PM (#2868248)
Subject: RE: Correction: Joy of Living (Ewan MacColl)
From: GUEST,steve

Bleaklow is in the peak district (near Manchester) not in the Lake district


20 Mar 10 - 07:31 PM (#2868341)
Subject: RE: Correction: Joy of Living (Ewan MacColl)
From: Noreen

Yes steve, as stated above (28 Dec 01 - 07:20 PM)


20 Jul 11 - 07:24 PM (#3191700)
Subject: RE: Correction: Joy of Living (Ewan MacColl)
From: GUEST,Malc Cowle

Bleaklow is not in the English Lake District, it is in the Peak District, next to Kinder Scout.
Ewan McColl, baptismal-name Jimmy Miller, was the press secretary for the Mass Trespass of Kinder Scout in 1932 and both Bleaklow and Kinder were the sites of his first walking expeditions. He wrote the Manchester Rambler to celebrate the Mass Trespass which was organised by the Manchester Sports Guild, set up by the Manchester and Salford Communist Party. Ewan was born in Salford, the "dirty old town" in the song of that name.


21 Jul 11 - 07:15 AM (#3191896)
Subject: RE: Correction: Joy of Living (Ewan MacColl)
From: Peter C

Are the dots/abc available anywhere of the tune?


21 Jul 11 - 08:28 AM (#3191929)
Subject: RE: Correction: Joy of Living (Ewan MacColl)
From: Dave Hanson

The Essesntial Ewan MacColl Songbook, edited Peggy Seeger, Oak Publications 2001

Dave H


21 Jul 11 - 04:43 PM (#3192198)
Subject: RE: Correction: Joy of Living (Ewan MacColl)
From: GUEST,SRD

Picking up on a few posts earlier in the thread, the most moving occasion I've heard this sung was by Rory McLeod in remembrance of Joe Scurfield.


21 Jul 11 - 04:49 PM (#3192202)
Subject: RE: Correction: Joy of Living (Ewan MacColl)
From: RobbieWilson

Susanne's quote (28 12 01)Is something I recognise from a recording I have somewhere. I will have to go and look through a load of stuff before I could give details.


18 Aug 11 - 04:39 PM (#3209068)
Subject: RE: Correction: Joy of Living (Ewan MacColl)
From: RobbieWilson

I knew I would come across it; it is track 12 on the Birthday Concert album (1985)In conversation with Jim LLoyd (folk on 2 presenter)

Well worth another listen.


22 Aug 11 - 06:57 PM (#3211119)
Subject: RE: Correction: Joy of Living (Ewan MacColl)
From: Susanne (skw)

On the whole I'm not too taken with Ewan as a singer. I've got Roy Bailey's and Geordie McIntyre's version - both singers I like enormously - I've heard Bobby Watt from Canada sing it live. But I must say none of these versions come up to Ewan's own utterly simple and stark rendition of the song. I consider it his masterpiece.


31 Aug 16 - 07:28 AM (#3807717)
Subject: RE: Lyrics Correction: Joy of Living (Ewan MacColl)
From: FreddyHeadey

Jim
"....Sicilian traditional song; we have the original here somewhere. "

Do you know if it has a name or of any Sicilian recordings of it?

Thanks


07 Feb 17 - 08:19 AM (#3837296)
Subject: RE: Lyrics Correction: Joy of Living (Ewan MacColl)
From: FreddyHeadey

Sicillian song
Madonna tu mi fai / Madonna tu mi fai tu scorrucciato


https://youtu.be/7Rp0e5GMB0E 


07 Feb 17 - 08:33 AM (#3837299)
Subject: RE: Lyrics Correction: Joy of Living (Ewan MacColl)
From: Jim Carroll

Soorry - misssed your question way back
That's the tune Ewan used but it's not the same recording
Happy to dropbox the source recording Ewan used if you PM me your e-mail address
Jim Carroll


23 Jun 22 - 12:34 AM (#4145123)
Subject: RE: Lyrics Correction: Joy of Living (Ewan MacColl)
From: Joe Offer

joe - do cleanup


23 Jun 22 - 03:18 AM (#4145128)
Subject: RE: Lyrics Correction: Joy of Living (Ewan MacColl)
From: GerryM

John Routledge, 12 Dec 02 - 01:51 PM, wrote,

***Roy Bailey on "Coda" - his second last album does a wonderful job of The Joy of Living. Sung as a tribute to Ewan - they come from the same era although were quite quite different.

Bailey was born in 1935, MacColl in 1915. Does that count as the same era?


23 Jun 22 - 05:27 AM (#4145140)
Subject: RE: Lyrics Correction: Joy of Living (Ewan MacColl)
From: Tattie Bogle

It’s pretty well a generation apart, Gerry, IMHO!