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GUEST,Philippa 25 Jul 02 - 07:26 AM
dick greenhaus 25 Jul 02 - 04:31 PM
Joe Offer 10 Jun 10 - 07:00 PM
Joe Offer 19 Jun 10 - 09:44 PM
Jim Dixon 29 Jul 10 - 01:39 PM
Jim Dixon 29 Jul 10 - 02:39 PM
Joe Offer 18 Sep 10 - 05:32 PM
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Desert Dancer 16 Feb 11 - 04:53 PM
Jim Dixon 18 Feb 11 - 11:46 PM
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Joe Offer 05 May 11 - 04:50 PM
MGM·Lion 05 May 11 - 11:17 PM
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Subject: Attribution added: DT authors
From: GUEST,Philippa
Date: 25 Jul 02 - 07:26 AM

This is an edited PermaThread©, and all messages posted here are subject to editing and deletion.
This thread is intended to serve as a forum for corrections and annotations for songwriter attributions in the Digital Tradition Folk Song Database.
-Joe Offer-

Several songs in the DT which have known authors are lacking attribution, although often this has been added to discussion threads. Perhaps if we have a thread specifically dedicated to filling in details of authors, composers and copywrite; Dick & Susan and co. will refer to it next time they update the Digital Tradition.

Messages will be moved here to thread 71227 (click) after they are recorded.


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Subject: RE: Attribution added: DT authors
From: dick greenhaus
Date: 25 Jul 02 - 04:31 PM

Hi- Excellent idea. I'll go you on better--I'll ask Joe to make it a permathread, so I can't miss it. BTW, if I have a mangled transcription, please feel free to send a correction. I don't speak Irish, so I'm at the mercy of contributors.
Good idea, Dick. Philippa, I hope you don't mind this being changed to an edited thread.
-Joe Offer-


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Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 10 Jun 10 - 07:00 PM

Take a look at Will McLean's Hold Back the Waters
filename[ HOLDBACK

It's missing the first verse. You'll find corrected lyrics in THIS MESSAGE (CLICK)


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Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19 Jun 10 - 09:44 PM

Note He's Gone Away
filename[ HESGONE

I see one typo:
And you will kiss mg ruby lips when you come back!


My Love Is Like a Red, Red Rose
filename[ REDREDRO
note the zeroes in the first stanza - they should be replaced by the letter "O"


Take a look at this message - it corrects typographical errors in "The Echo Mocks the Corncrake," filename[ CORNCRK


Take a look at "Sourkraut" filename[ SRKRAUT
It's nice to have the lyrics from Jean Thomas, but did she really spell it "sourkraut"? At the very least, the proper spelling should be included in the song notes, so it can be found by searching. There's a thread on the song here (click). I ordered a copy of the Jean Thomas book today (2 July), so I'll post the corrected lyrics when I get them.

I made a few corrections on Gordon Bok's "Herring Croon"
filename[ HERRCRON
You'll find corrected lyrics in this message


Take a look at "Ringsend Rose" - filename[ RINGSEND
Songwriter is Pete St. John
also, what appears to be the second verse is the chorus (And there she goes...)


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Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 29 Jul 10 - 01:39 PM

The song that is called I DIG SEX in the DT (IDIGSEX) is actually THE WONDERFUL WORLD OF SEX by Steve Goodman. I have verified this by listening to a sound sample at Allmusic.com.

There is a thread about the song here: Chords Req: Wonderful World of Sex (Steve Goodman).
    Note from Joe Offer: this song was written by Michael Smith, recorded by Steve Goodman.


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Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Jim Dixon
Date: 29 Jul 10 - 02:39 PM

The song that is called GOODBYE in the DT (GOODBY), with no attribution, is actually GOOD-BYE-EE by R. P. Weston & Bert Lee.

Also, the DT has only verse 1 and the chorus. Verses 1-3 and the chorus are given here and verse 4 is given here.
Complete song (Joe)


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Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
From: Joe Offer
Date: 18 Sep 10 - 05:32 PM

Very little thing on Tell Old Bill
filename[ OLDBILL
  • verses three and four need to be separated

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    Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
    From: Joe Offer
    Date: 16 Nov 10 - 04:12 PM

    THE BALLAD OF F.D.R
    filename[ BALLDFDR

    are the same song. They have identical lyrics, except that filename[ BALLFDR2 has one additional verse at the end - and filename[ BALLDFDR has an explanatory note.

    I'd suggest the two be combined, including both titles, the additional verse, and the explanatory note. BALLFDR2 is a far better transcription, although the words are more-or-less the same in both entries.

    I highly doubt that the "Oct 16" song actually goes under both of these titles. The Bear Family Songs for Political Action box set has an entirely different song titled "The Ballad of F.D.R." - you'll find it in this thread (click)


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    Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
    From: Desert Dancer
    Date: 16 Feb 11 - 04:53 PM

    The WRAGGLE TAGGLE GYPSIES (DT #7180) lyrics, tune, and notes were taken from "Fireside Book of Folk Songs", Edited by Margaret Bradford Boni, published by Simon & Schuster, 1947

    ~ Becky in Tucson


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    Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
    From: Jim Dixon
    Date: 18 Feb 11 - 11:46 PM

    Robbie Wilson, who posted a message here
    http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=135736
    had a couple of lyric corrections for the song JOHNNY MCGORY by Pete St. John, filename[ JHNMCGRY
    Robbie says verse 2 line 1 should read:
    "Up to the Gloucester Diamond, Red Biddy on your mind"

    The Gloucester Diamond is a neighbourhood in Dublin; Red Biddy was a cheap red wine.


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    Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
    From: Jim Dixon
    Date: 22 Feb 11 - 10:12 PM

    YOU GENTLEMEN OF HIGH REKNOWN filename[ REYNFOX2

    "Reknown" is a misspelling. It should be "renown."


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    Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
    From: Jim Dixon
    Date: 18 Apr 11 - 11:49 AM

    DIESEL ON MY TAIL (DSLTAIL) was written by Jim Fagan, and recorded by Jim & Jesse. Corrected lyrics are posted here.


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    Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
    From: Joe Offer
    Date: 05 May 11 - 04:50 PM

    MtheGM says:

    All Around My Hat (I Will Wear the Green Willow) [filename[ ROUNDHAT] is the traditional version of the song, and yet it bears a duplicate of the notes for the Steeleye Span version [filename[ RONDHAT5], which is quite a different song.

    It would be nice to have attribution for the traditional lyrics, or at least delete the misleading Steeleye Span reference.


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    Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
    From: MGM·Lion
    Date: 05 May 11 - 11:17 PM

    See my note on thread on this subject, Joe, suggesting Brian Peters as person to consult. He sang the ROUNDHAT version most movingly at the Bob Copper Memorial Concert a few years ago, IIRC.

    ~Michael~


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    Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
    From: Joe Offer
    Date: 11 May 11 - 06:32 PM

    The DT version of the "Old Settler's Song or Acres of Clams"
    filename[ OLDSETLR
    has no chorus, no attribution, and no punctuation. You may want to substitute the version I posted here (click)

    -Joe-

    Just a tiny correction in "Frozen Logger"
    filename[ FROZLOGR

    Second stanza:
      "I see that you are a logger, and not just a common bum,
      'Cause nobody but a logger stirs his coffee with his thumb.


    Please note the spelling of the name of Mudcatter/Songwriter Anne Lister. It's spelled "Ann" in two songs in the DT:
    • Moth - filename[ MOTH
    • Icarus - filename[ ICARUSFL


    Oklahoma Hills - filename[ OKLAHILL
    Slight change in the first verse, second-last line, should be:
      Many a lesson I have learned
    There are a number of other parts one could quibble about, but this one doesn't make sense, just because of that missing article. Oh, and while you're at it, you may want to standardize the format on the chorus instead of just having "cho:"

    AZEKATARLE - filename[ AZEKTRLE seems to be a nonstandard spelling of the song title. A Google search for AZEKATARLE brings up only information that is derived from the Digital Tradition. I found four recordings, including one by Pete Seeger, that spell it Asikatali. The English group Blue Murder spell it Azicatal. I think I'd list "Asikatali" as the primary song title, and include the others in the notes to facilitate searching.


    Bluebeard - filename[ BLUBEARD

    I added songwriter and source attribution and made several small corrections in this post.

    For the song BORDERLINES, filename[ BORDERLN :
    The daughter of one of the songwriters posted corrected lyrics in this message (click)



    For the song titled "Finlandia" in the DT
    filename[ FINLNDIA
    There are a few spelling errors, so I posted a corrected version at the bottom of this message (click).

    Masato posted corrected lyrics to "Battle Hymn of the Republic" in this message (click)
    The DT version has several mondegreens and other mistakes.

    filename[ GLORYHAL


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    Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
    From: Joe Offer
    Date: 06 Jul 11 - 01:25 PM

    Both Sides the Tweed
    filename[ BTHTWEED
    This message (click) contains corrected lyrics. The difference I see is in only one word, but it's important: third line of the chours should be
      Let friendship and honour unite


    Very slight but important correction in Kimmage
    filename[ KIMMAGE

    The first line of the penultimate verse should be
      I went down to the Tenancy Section


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    Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
    From: Jim Dixon
    Date: 09 Aug 11 - 09:14 AM

    ROCKALL should properly be called ROCK ON, ROCKALL. It was written by Brian Warfield, a member of the Wolfe Tones, and first recorded by the Wolfe Tones.

    This information is from Allmusic.com

    filename[ ROCKALL


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    Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
    From: Joe Offer
    Date: 10 Aug 11 - 02:05 AM

    I'm An Old Cowhand...
    filename[ COWHAND
    is missing a verse, and the DT lyrics are convoluted.
    You'll find complete lyrics in this message.



    They Wounded Old Ireland was written by Andy M. Stewart (DT says Mark Westphal)
    filename[ WOUNDIRE

    See this thread for explanation.

    Corrections for The Banks of Marble [filename[ BNKMRBLE] are in this message. The DT has lots of little errors.


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    Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
    From: Jim Dixon
    Date: 20 Aug 11 - 01:51 PM

    ASCAP.com says Buffy Sainte Marie wrote PINEY WOOD HILLS.
    filename[ PINWDHIL


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    Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
    From: Jim Dixon
    Date: 22 Aug 11 - 11:13 PM

    I'VE BEEN EVERYWHERE in the DT has lots of misspelled place names.

    See the version posted here for corrections.

    Also, it needs to have an attribution added:

    Words and music by "Geoff Mack" (Real name: Albert Geoffrey McElhinney)
    As sung by Hank Snow, 1962

    I think it needs the "Hank Snow" information because another version with the same title and by the same songwriter, but using all Australian place names, was recorded in Australia in the same year by Lucky Starr.

    filename[ IVBNEWHR


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    Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
    From: Jim Dixon
    Date: 14 Nov 11 - 09:59 AM

    The song in the DT that is called THE SHAPE OF MY LOVE is actually BALLAD OF THE SHAPE OF THINGS written by Sheldon M. Harnick. That is the legal title according to BMI; SHAPE OF THINGS is given as an alternate title.

    filename[ SHAPELOV


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    Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
    From: Joe Offer
    Date: 17 Dec 11 - 09:06 PM

    There are a number of mistakes and an entirely incorrect verse (from another song) in "A Wee Docht and Doris" - filename[ DOCHDORS
    I posted lyrics from the sheet music in this message

    -Joe-


    A Place in the Choir, filename[ PLACHOIR, is by Bill Staines


    Two typos in HE KELTY CLIPPIE - filename filename[ KELTYCLP.txt

    The title, of course, should be "The Kelty Clippie." There's a space in "it's" in the chorus that shouldn't be there.

    In addition, the file name should probably be simply KELTYCLP and not KELTYCLP.txt

    Otherwise, the DT text seems to be a perfect transcription of the lyrics in The Scottish Folksinger


    "No Man's Land" by Eric Bogle
    filename[ NOMANLD
    Looks like an exact transcription of the lyrics from ericbogle.net - just one typo in the second line - the word "gy" is obviously incorrect. I question "no Willie McBride" in the first line of the fourth verse, but that's also what they have on the Bogle Website.
    BobKnight's transcription and the DT version are essentially the same, with a few minor differences. I will agree that Bob's transcription is generally closer to to the lyrics Bogle sings on the By Request CD.
    Note that ericbogle.net claims to be the official Eric Bogle Website. It does seem authentic, but note that it is located in South Africa. Even "official Websites are often wrong.
    Stone Cold Dead in the Market
    filename[ COLDDEAD

    One line has "I'm goming back" - the source was my posting of the lyrics in the Forum, and the typographical mistake was mine. Please cover up for my peccadillo and replace it with "I'm coming back."


    Fiddler's Green filename[ FIDGREEN - note that the spelling of the songwriter name is John Conolly. There are several minor errors in the transcription. See this message for a corrected transcription of the lyrics.


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    Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
    From: Genie
    Date: 23 Apr 12 - 02:21 AM

    The DT has Mark Cohen's parody lyrics "(Perennial Beginner) The F-Chord" listed as being to the tune of: "A Conversation with Mother (Berryman and Berryman)."

    The title of the Berrymans' song is "A Chat With Your Mother (The F-Word)."


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    Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
    From: GUEST,Nick Woolf
    Date: 30 May 12 - 11:07 AM

    Pity the Downtrodden Landlord

    Filename [ LANDPITY

    You may recall the search for the author of this song.

    It was finally tracked down in Feb 07, when we found the original sheet music.

    see http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=30748#1979175

    Here is the song in DT format :


    PITY THE DOWNTRODDEN LANDLORD
    (Lyric by Dr Barnet Woolf   Music by Arnold Clayton)

    Please open your hearts and your purses
    To a man who is misunderstood.
    He gets all the kicks and the curses,
    Though he wishes you nothing but good:
    He wistfully begs you to show him
    You think he's a friend, not a louse,
    So remember the debt that you owe him,
    The landlord who lends you his house.

    CHORUS:
    So pity the downtrodden landlord,
    And his back that is burdened and bent;
    Respect his grey hairs, don't ask for repairs,
    And don't be behind with the rent !

    You are able to work for your living
    And rejoice in your strength and your skill;
    So try to be kind and forgiving
    To a man whom a day's work would kill;
    You can work and still talk to your neighbour,
    You can look the whole world in the face,
    But the landlord who ventured to labour,
    Would never survive the disgrace
    CHORUS

    When thunder clouds gather and darken,
    You can sleep undisturbed in your bed,
    But the landlord must sit up and hearken,
    And shiver, and wonder, and dread.
    If you're killed, then you'll die in a hurry,
    And you never will know your bad luck,
    But the landlord is shaking with worry,
    "Has one of my houses been struck?"
    CHORUS

    When a landlord resorts to eviction,
    Don't think that he does it for spite;
    He is acting from deepest conviction,
    And what's right, after all, is what's right;
    But I see that your hearts are all hardened,
    And I fear I'm appealing in vain;
    Yet I hope that my last plea will be pardoned,
    If I beg on my knees once again .
    CHORUS

    © Workers' Music Association No. 9029


    http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=30748#1979175

    NW

    What needs changing on DT is the attribution, and deleting the query on the attribution of the second verse.


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    Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
    From: GUEST,Gerry
    Date: 01 Jun 12 - 07:10 AM

    The song, Settle Down, is in the database twice, once under Settle Down (I'm Goin' Down That Highway), once under Maybe I'll Settle Down, and in both places it is attributed to Tom Paxton, but it was written by Mike Settle (according to the liner notes on a Peter Paul and Mary album, and a Judy Collins album).


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    Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
    From: Q (Frank Staplin)
    Date: 01 Jun 12 - 04:20 PM

    "Settle Down" (Goin' Down the at Highway), by *"Mike Settle, Essex Music Inc., ASCAP."
    Lyrics here- http://www.peterpaulandmary.com/music/02-01.htm

    * Could not find listed at ASCAP.

    The song is listed in Settle's bio. at http://www.lazyka.com/linernotes/persone/Settle.htm

    First release on album "Folk Sing Hallelujah", Mike Settle and the Settlers, 1961
    http://www.secondhandsongs.com/work/122558


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    Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
    From: Joe Offer
    Date: 05 Jun 12 - 10:04 PM

    "Housewife's Lament" - filename[ HSEWFLAM


    We determined in thread 129897 that the original poem was written by Eliza Sproat Turner (1826-1903), published in Arthur's Lady's Home Magazine, Volume 37 (Philadelphia: T. S. Arthur & Sons, April, 1871), page 241. The original title of the poem was "The Housekeeper's Tragedy."



    There are a few corrections for the lyrics of Cyril Tawney's "Five Foot Flirt" in this message (click).
    filename[ FLIRT5FT



    In America the Beautiful, filename[ AMBEAUT1
    the songwriter is twice referred to as Kathering Lee Bates.



    Alan Bell's Windmills (plural) is incorrectly identified as a singular "Windmill," filename filename[ WNDMILL. The DT transcription has several minor errors and mondegreens. A fully corrected text can be found in this message



    A couple of typos in the text of "The Death of Emma Hartsell," filename[ HARTSELL:
    • last line of third verse: Her throat was cut frorn ear to ear. - "from"
    • last line of fourth verse: Tl@e howling mob could scarcely pass - first word is "The."
    • first line of tenth verse: As they stood on death'ss cold brink - "death's

    -Joe-


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    Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
    From: Joe Offer
    Date: 16 Oct 12 - 03:46 AM

    There seem to be two entries for "The Minstrel," by Graham and Eileen Pratt. Both have the filename[ MINSTRL - but only one entry has a tune file.
    The songs are:
    http://www.mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=9947
    http://www.mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=8701

    Now, this may be a Mudcat glitch and not the fault of the Digital Tradition, but I thought you should know about it.


    "In Old Pod-Auger Times," filename[ PODAUGER
    Third verse, second line, should be: And struggle with bad cigars,

    Also, there's an extra space in the word "I'll" in the first line of the first verse.


    Photographer's Ballad, filename[ PHOTOBLD, by Grit Laskin is actually titled "The Photographers." The lyrics in the DT are a bit off - I posted corrected lyrics in this message (click).
    "The Sheffield Grinder," filename[ SHEFGRDR - appears twice in the database. One has a tune and the other does not, but the lyrics appear to be identical. #10177 and 8323.


    Our DT version of Do You Hear What I Hear?, filename[ DOTOUHER, is a mess. I posted corrected lyrics with proper attribution here (click).


    Tattie Bogle wants you to remember to correct the "coattails flying" line in Dougie MacLean's Caledonia


    See this thread, in which Martin Graebe complains (rightly) that his song "Jack in the Green" has been bowdlerized in the Digital Tradition. We have two versions in the DT that are essentially the same, except that filename[ JACKGREE has a verse missing. Why not delete filename[ JACKGREE and leave the other version, filename[ JACKGRE2. The second version comes from Graebe's Website, so it's likely to be the definitive version.


    Tom Lehrer's LOBACHEVSKY filename[ LOBACHEV is missing a line. See this thread (click) for the correction.


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    Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
    From: thnidu
    Date: 20 May 13 - 09:37 AM

    0.7742 - WE SHALL NOT BE MOVED
    http://www.mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=7647

    attributes authorship of the spiritual to V. O. Fossett. But as the first poster in thread http://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=76413,
    "GUEST,Operadoc@adelphia.com", points out,

    "Since he wrote in the 1950's-70's and this tune predates the union change to "We" in the 1930's could he be the arranger?"

    -- Mark Mandel


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    Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
    From: Joe Offer
    Date: 28 May 13 - 04:55 AM

    "The Fiddler," filename FIDDLER, is unattributed in the DT. We've determined the songwriter is Charlie Moore. There are numerous errors in the lyrics in the DT, so there's a corrected transcription in this message (click).


    Larry Kaplan sent corrected lyrics for his "Get Her Into Shore" filename[ SHORINTO
    Corrected lyrics here (click)

    The Cloakmakers' Union, filename[ CLOAKMKR, has its title spelled wrong.

    There's a line missing and a couple of wrong words in "The King of Ballyhooley", filename[ BLLYHOOL
    You'll find corrected lyrics in this message.


    "This Ol' Riverboat" appears in the Digital Tradition twice, each time with only half the lyrics. The song was written by Randy Sparks. filename[ STMBOAT. Complete lyrics are in this post (click).


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    From: Stevebury
    Date: 24 Sep 13 - 02:15 PM

    I'm working up the song "Schooner E. A. Horton," based principally on the version in Flanders and Olney, Ballads Migrant in New England. So I've noted a couple of corrections to the version in the Digital Tradition.

    * The song is incorrectly attributed as "Collected from Charles Cooke of Ripton VT in 1941." That description, which appears after the song, actually refers to the succeeding song in the book. The correct attribution should be "collected from Mr. Albert Howard in Orford NH (formerly of Blue Hill ME), 1942" .

    * midi, melody line 6 (of 8): the last note should be c-natural not c-sharp

    [Note: You've correctly transcribed the low B in lines 2, 4, 5 and 8; but I am convinced that they are incorrect as published in "Ballads Migrant ...". A C instead of B would be consistent with the tune in Warner for 'Heenan and Sayers'. There are other acknowleged errors in the music transcriptions in "Ballads Migrant ...".]

    * verse 1, line 6: "stolen" should be "stole"

    * verse 6, line 2 "treatie" should be "treaty"

    [Note: I would add '[sic]' after "sixty-one" at the end of verse 2, line 1; the correct date is 1871.   I would also add '[sic]' after the first "Yankee" in verse 3 line 4; this clearly should be "Britishers", and so appears in "Minstrelsy of Maine.]

    Stevebury


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    Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
    From: Joe Offer
    Date: 24 Oct 13 - 07:38 PM

    Bob Coltman gave me a couple corrections for his "Lonesome Robin," filename[ LONEROBN
    Full discussion is in this message

    (here is a corrected Digital Tradition version)

    LONESOME ROBIN
    (Bob Coltman)

    Rise up on your bed of straw,
    And see if you can't bend back your bow one last time;
    You're sick with your wounds and you think you don't care,
    But you know it'll prey on your mind.
    And wherever your arrow falls to the ground,
    We'll lay lonesome Robin down, one last time.
        No more Robin, no more, your outlaw days are over.

    Funny how hot is the sun,
    Now that you can't run away to the shade;
    And you can't help thinkin' of the deer you have run,
    And of all the games you have played;
    And wonderin' what Marian found to do,
    That's better than comin' to see you, one last time.
        No more Robin, no more, your outlaw days are over.

    When you were a little boy,
    You had to go to bed early while the sun still shone;
    'Twas just like sleep was the end of the world,
    And tomorrow would never come.
    Now lonesome Robin can't you just close your eyes,
    And pretend that the sun will still rise one last time.
        No more Robin, no more, your outlaw days are over.

    Now time has took your time away,
    Time and contraptions have whittled you down;
    And all the times that you ever have had
    Have took to their heels and gone.
    Hold on to whatever is closest to you,
    It's all lonesome Robin can do, one last time.
        No more Robin, no more, your outlaw days are over.



    note: death of Robin Hood
    @death @outlaw
    Recorded by Bob Coltman
    Copyright Bob Coltman
    filename[ LONEROBN
    SOF


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    Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
    From: Joe Offer
    Date: 24 Oct 13 - 07:52 PM

    Bob Coltman says that Kissing Song - filename[ KISSNG
    is improperly credited to song collector Jean Thomas. The songwriter is Billy Carter, 1882. Perhaps this note could be added at the bottom of the lyrics:
      This song was frequently sung by "Blind Bill" Day, who was discovered by song collector Jean Thomas. Bob Coltman recently discovered that the song can be credited properly as a vaudeville or stage song, words and music by Billy Carter, 1882.
    Full discussion in this message (click)


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    From: Q (Frank Staplin)
    Date: 25 Oct 13 - 02:30 PM

    Billy Carter (b. 1834) was a banjoist and blackface performer in minstrel and vaudeville shows. I can find nothing on his songs or routines. His scrapbook is held by Middle Tennessee University.


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    From: Joe Offer
    Date: 17 Jan 14 - 04:02 PM

    I posted corrections to typographical errors in "Didn't I Dance" in this message. Filename [ DDNTDANC


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    From: Q (Frank Staplin)
    Date: 20 Jan 14 - 02:01 PM

    "Save Your Money While You're Young;" DT version should be credited to Jim Doherty; In Fowke, 1970, "Lumbering Songs from the Northern Woods," pp. 206-207. with musical score.
      I question this, Q. It's clear that a printed version came from the singing of Jim Doherty, but not that Doherty was the songwriter. When posting information, be careful to distinguish whether you're attributing to a source or to a songwriter.
      Thanks.
      -Joe Offer-


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    From: Q (Frank Staplin)
    Date: 22 Jan 14 - 12:11 PM

    "THE SPINNING WHEEL," DT, with the chorus "Merrily, cheerily, noiselessly whirring" - lyrics by John Francis Waller (1809-1894), using the pseudonym Jonathan Freke Slingsby.


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    From: Joe Offer
    Date: 11 Mar 14 - 03:12 AM

    Johnson's Motor Gar bus be a misspelled song title, dontchathink?
    filename[ JHNMTR


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    Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
    From: Joe Offer
    Date: 25 Apr 14 - 12:30 AM

    "Dooley," recorded by the Dillards, is unattributed, has mondegreens, and appears twice in the Digital Tradition:
    filename[ DOOLEY
    filename[ OLDOOLWY

    This thread has the whole story, but there are corrected lyrics from Stewie:

    DOOLEY
    (Rodney Dillard/Mitch Jayne)

    Now Dooley was a good old man, he lived below the mill
    Dooley had two daughters and a forty-gallon still
    One girl watched the boiler, the other watched the spout
    Mama corked the bottles when ol' Dooley fetched them out

    CHORUS
    Dooley, slippin' up the holler
    Dooley, tryin' to make a dollar
    Dooley, gimme a swaller
    And I'll pay you back some day

    Now Dooley was a trader when into town he'd come
    Sugar by the bushel and molasses by the drum
    The revenuers came for him, slippin' through the woods
    Dooley kept behind them all and never lost his goods

    CHORUS

    Now I remember very well the day old Dooley died
    The women folk looked sorry and the men stood around and cried
    Now Dooley's on the mountain, he lies there all alone
    They put a jug beside him and a barrel for a stone

    CHORUS [last line repeated]

    The lyrics above are from the original Dillards recording of the song. Later recordings switched the couplets in the second verse:

    The revenuers came for him, slippin' through the woods
    Dooley kept behind them all and never lost his goods
    Now Dooley was a trader when into town he'd come
    Sugar by the bushel and molasses by the drum
    (as performed by the Dillards on the Andy Griffith Show)

    @drink @outlaw
    filename[ DOOLEY
    BJS


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    Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
    From: Desert Dancer
    Date: 17 Jun 14 - 12:32 PM

    Per this thread, Marching song/Cadence Count (see especially recent posts), SOUND OFF (CADENCE COUNT) (DUCKWORTH CHANT) attribution is incorrect.

    It says,
    In WWII, black troops were, apparently, given more freedom
    of self-expression than were white troops. Fancy drill
    teams, particularly from Fort Duckworth, Alabama, toured and
    popularized jazzier cadence counts. There was a pop record
    in the early 50s that wound up on the hit parade. RG

    See this page at the Missouri Folklore Society:
    The modern cadence call was born in the spring of 1944 at Fort Slocum, New York's Provisional Training Center. Colonel Bernard Lentz, the fort's commander at the time, published a well-established account of the event:

    …as a company … was returning from a long tedious march through swamps and rough country, a chant broke the stillness of the night. Upon investigation, it was found that a Negro soldier by the name of Willie Duckworth, on detached service with the Provisional Training Center, was chanting to build up the spirits of his comrades.

                It was not long before the infectious rhythm was spreading throughout the ranks. Footweary soldiers started to pick up their step in cadence with the growing chorus of hearty male voices. Instead of a down trodden, fatigued company, here marched 200 soldiers with heads up, a spring to their step, and smiles on their faces. This transformation occurred with the beginning of the Duckworth Chant.

                Upon returning to Fort Slocum, Pvt. Duckworth, with the aid of Provisional Training Center instructors, composed a series of verses and choruses to be used with the marching cadence. After that eventful evening the Duckworth Chant was made a part of the drill at Fort Slocum as it proved to be not only a tremendous morale factor while marching, but also coordinated the movements of close order drill with troop precision. (Lentz 70).

    This account is included in its entirety because Bernard Lentz is the man who standardized the use of cadence calls in the military. It is an account of the birth of the modern cadence call, written by the man who would ensure its proliferation, and therefore very special to connoisseurs of this particular military folklore. It's the beginning of a very lively and diverse oral art form, different from marching songs and drill for many reasons. The original Duckworth Chant, as presented in Lentz's book, is included in the appendix.

                Lentz didn't stop at making cadence calls standard at Ft. Slocum. He was loud enough about the new tool that "the Duckworth Chant was ordered to be recorded and distributed to the Armed Forces" by the "War Department (now the Department of Defense)" (Johnson 1: 21). Lentz guaranteed the continuation of cadence calls throughout the military for years to come by recognizing the value of this motivational tool.

    The chant is copyright Lentz & Duckworth.

    ~ Becky in Long Beach


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    Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
    From: Tattie Bogle
    Date: 17 Jun 14 - 12:48 PM

    I know I've asked before, but can we please get the correct version of Caledonia by Dougie Maclean? (In the DT as Caledonia 2) I saw him live on Saturday night, and this is what he sang (taken straight from his own website, so must be right - will someone please believe me now - NO coattails!!)

    http://www.dougiemaclean.com/index.php/c/29-caledonia


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    From: MGM·Lion
    Date: 14 Jul 14 - 02:39 PM

    Why does the DT call the song which identifies itself in the first line as about a sailor, "The Rambling Soldier"? ~~

    RAMBLING SOLDIER/TRIM-RIGGED DOXY
    I am a sailor brisk and bold...


    Shome mishtake shurely?

    ~M~


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    From: MGM·Lion
    Date: 16 Jul 14 - 07:15 AM

    "The Garden Where The Praties Go" should be attributed to Johnny Patterson -- check him on Wikipedia.

    ~M~


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    Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
    From: MGM·Lion
    Date: 10 Aug 14 - 01:57 PM

    Calico Printer's Clerk [sic]. Attribution to Mike Raven of The Halliard should read "Dave Moran of The Halliard". (Although he had solo tracks on same disc, John Raven was not a member of The Halliard, who were Dave Moran, Nigel Paterson and Nic Jones.)


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    Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
    From: Steve Gardham
    Date: 11 Aug 14 - 09:35 AM

    Calico Printer's Clerk
    While we're on we might as well put in the correct attribution which is already on several threads particularly those on Harry Clifton. He wrote the words and sang it c1863. The Glasgow Poet's Box printed it in 1865. The music is ascribed to Charles Coote Jr. It was published by Hopwood & Crew, serial H&C 732.

    I wouldn't describe it as either Music Hall or broadside ballad. It's a concert or drawing room piece. Clifton strictly speaking wasn't Music Hall although he was just as big as the swells and Lion Comiques. He plied his trade around the country in the more upmarket theatres usually arranged by himself.


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    From: MGM·Lion
    Date: 11 Aug 14 - 09:52 AM

    To what tune did he sing it, Steve? SFAIK, the tune on that Halliard/John Raven record is Dave Moran's own, like most of the songs The Halliard sang their broadsides to; one exception being "Going For A Soldier, Jenny", composed & sung by Nic Jones (or, as credited on that one early disc, Nick Jones!).

    ≈M≈


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    From: MGM·Lion
    Date: 11 Aug 14 - 10:12 AM

    Out of interest, how often is this thread checked, & necessary corrections carried out in DT? It is now about a month since I posted the name of the writer of Garden Where The Praties Grow, but no emendation appears to have been made on DT.

    ≈M≈


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    From: MGM·Lion
    Date: 11 Aug 14 - 10:14 AM

    ...nor to Rambling Soldier, which is actually about a sailor.

    Should not those ic DT check this thread from time to time?

    ~M~


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    Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
    From: Q (Frank Staplin)
    Date: 11 Aug 14 - 12:19 PM

    Joe is on vacation, I believe; he handles this thread.

    He asked me to post corrections of this kind in the thread on the song.
    See thread "Rambling Soldier," thread 108324, where a text for "Rambling Soldier" is posted.

    DT corrections of the sort you ask for probably won't appear in your lifetime.

    Rambling Soldier


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    Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
    From: MGM·Lion
    Date: 11 Aug 14 - 12:41 PM

    I should have thought DT should be definitive, insofar as such a thing is possible; and that this thread exists to ensure this to be the case.

    Oh, well...


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    Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
    From: Q (Frank Staplin)
    Date: 11 Aug 14 - 01:07 PM

    MGM Lion, do you want to volunteer to do it?

    A thankless job that takes large chunks of time (corrections must be checked for accuracy, etc.).
    I wouldn't want to do it, and I don't think you will do it, either.

    Many of the songs in the DT were taken from threads and are versions from various singers selected by the poster.

    I don't believe that "definiteness" was considered; that would require researching each one.

    I raised the question a while back, but I have since realized the magnitude of the problem.
    I don't like some of the DT entries either.
    Just make sure that your version of the one true lyric is in a thread.


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    Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
    From: MGM·Lion
    Date: 11 Aug 14 - 01:35 PM

    I might if I were a bit younger, Q. But your remark about it not happening 'in my lifetime' was not so much of a hyperbole, as I am now 82; so I just don't have that much energy any more. Still; I take your point.   

    Even so: seriously; if an attribution is posted here that is missing from the DT entry, or a single error drawn to attention, would it be so onerous to emend that one page? I ask, genuinely, for information; without checking every single DT entry from cold, surely a page can be opened and emended as a fairly brief task. How long can it take to do one? Can't be that difficult of access, surely?

    ≈M≈


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    Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
    From: Q (Frank Staplin)
    Date: 11 Aug 14 - 02:53 PM

    Talk to Joe when he gets back.


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    Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
    From: Steve Gardham
    Date: 11 Aug 14 - 04:41 PM

    The Clifton tune is nothing like the Folk Scene tune. Is the midi not available on the Harry Clifton thread? I thought Artful did all the midis.


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    From: GUEST,Joe, at the Women's Center
    Date: 11 Aug 14 - 06:33 PM

    I'm here every day, but a little bit less because I've been part of the jury on a three-week trial.

    I'll clean this thread up sometime this week, so the information will be ready for Susan of DT to harvest for the next edition of the Digital Tradition (we haven't had a new edition for a couple years or more).

    This thread is NOT for discussion - it is for brief, factual submissions of changes to the Digital Tradition. Discussion and all that other stuff should be in the thread on the song. When stuff is posted here, it should contain only the changes, plus a link back to the discussion thread for documentation.

    Don't post something here if you can't document it.

    -Joe-


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    From: OldPossum
    Date: 30 Sep 14 - 02:08 PM

    Death Come Easy, filename[ DEATHEZ, was written by Harvey Andrews.


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    From: Q (Frank Staplin)
    Date: 30 Sep 14 - 03:38 PM

    Death Comes Easy- See "Index of Harvey Andrews' Songs" which will verify that he is the composer.


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    From: Joe Offer
    Date: 16 Oct 14 - 01:53 AM

    Three Ravens - filename[ THRERAVN
    "Their lies a knight slain under his shield," in the second verse, really makes me cringe.

    Hey, Good Lookin' appears twice in the database: Both are good transcriptions, but I think [ HEYGDLKN is slightly better. at (*tooken), I'd add [took in??]

    Note in this thread, there are similar lyrics to a Cole Porter song of the same title. Different melody, though.

    LADY ALL SKIN AND BONES - filename[ SKINBONE - appears twice in the online database, but with the same filename. The lyrics seem identical, but one entry has a tune file connected to it.
    http://mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=8819
    http://mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=10191

    Night Rider's Lament, filename[ WHYRIDE - lyrics we have are truncated and make no sense. Correct lyrics are in this message.


    San Antonio Rose, filename[ SANANTON - our text twice mentions a "moonlit pass" - that's a "moonlit path" - the Alamo is on flatland, no passes nearby - verified with Bob Wills recording.



    Lani Herrmannn says her Pickle Carol filename[ PICKCARL - is actually titled "The Pickle Tree Carol," and she thanks you for getting the lyrics mostly right.

    The Red Flag filename[ REDFLAG - songwriter is Jim Connell


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    Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
    From: Joe Offer
    Date: 28 Feb 15 - 03:04 AM

    Our lyrics for Cindy Kallet's "Wings to Fly" are way off. See correction here: /detail.cfm?messages__Message_ID=3690373
    filename[ WINGSFLY


    Several corrections to the lyrics of The Jeannie C. (Stan Rogers) here (click).
    filename[ JEANNIEC

    OFF TO THE SUGARBUSH AGAIN (Bill Cameron & Gary Glover)
    appears twice:
  • filename[ SUGRBUSH - http://www.mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=10223
  • filename[ SUGRBUSH - http://www.mudcat.org/@displaysong.cfm?SongID=8577

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    Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
    From: MGM·Lion
    Date: 11 Jun 15 - 12:08 PM

    Please see my post on the 'Funny Songs With Colours In Titles' thread, re errors in DT notes on The Brown & Yellow Ale -- mistakenly given under title, from an error of hearing by an American singer once, as Brown & Yellow Earl [sic].

    This error should be emended.

    ≈M≈
    I think you are correct, Mike. We have two songs:
    • The Brown and the Yellow Ale
    • The Brown and Yellow Earl - which is the version by my neighbor and former boss, former topless folksinger Debby McClatchy. Apparently, she has acknowledged the error in recent years. We probably should add explanation or drop Debby's version.

    See this thread

    -Joe Offer-


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    From: Joe Offer
    Date: 17 Dec 15 - 03:03 PM

    Coventry Carol, filename[ COVCAROL - first line of the fourth verse is Then woe is me, poor child for thee


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    From: MGM·Lion
    Date: 18 Dec 15 - 01:38 AM

    Re Joe's note on my 11 jun 15 post, 2 above:-

    Had never heard before that Debby McClatchy had introduced a topless element into folk performances.

    Goody for her!

    ≈M≈
      Yup. Her mom used to make her costumes, such as they were...
      -Joe-


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    Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
    From: Joe Offer
    Date: 23 Jan 17 - 02:35 AM

    "My Dame Had a Lame Tame Crane" appears twice:

    Lame Tame Crane - filename[ LAMETAME

    My Dame Had a Lame Tame Crane (round) - filename[ LAMECRN


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    From: Susan of DT
    Date: 23 Jan 17 - 06:09 AM

    We have had no way to make corrections for a while, so I hav enot been watching this thread. Max is working on it.


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    Subject: RE: DT Attribution & Minor Corrections PermaThread
    From: Joe Offer
    Date: 04 Jul 17 - 02:22 AM

    "No More, My Lord" appears in three near-identical iterations in the Digital Tradition:


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