Hello again folks (and Greg)
I've been busy having a life and trying to ignore the Suncube lunacy.
However, the latest installment is just too good to keep to myself.
If you go to
Suncube Fantasy
You will see that Greg is claiming to have ordered 120 Mwatts of solar cells for use in his Suncubes. This would be sufficient to produce 400,000 Suncubes at a price of ($1500 each as stated previously) making a total of 600 million dollars! Not bad for an unregistered small trader.
But wait there's more!
The photograph shows his "test area" which is the roof of his shed.
Bit late for the testing Greg...you've allready committed to building 400,000.
Anyway the photograph nicely demonstrates the stupidity of his plan.
We see a row of poles about 2 metres apart aligned East West.
Because the photocells are connected in series in each Suncube, even a partial shadow will cause the output to drop to zero.
I'd love to see what happens in the early morning and late afternoon,
the tracking mechanism will be going beserk! Should look like a row of clowns at Luna park.
This is all good stuff but still not as good as the latest on Greg's very own bullshit bulletin.
He has been invited to USA to advise Al Gore.
He has meet up with the Prince of Saudi Arabia??
And now this classic
Here you go....quote
(sorry if it's a big mess but Greg can't be bothered to edit)
SunCube Solar Appliance
Messages In This Digest (11 Messages)
1a. Re: Now Eat Your Words From: Marcello Vella
1b. Re: Now Eat Your Words From: Greg Watson
1c. Re: Now Eat Your Words From: Marcello Vella
1d. Re: Now Eat Your Words From: Greg Watson
1e. China From: Bernie Meyer
1f. Re: China From: Greg Watson
1g. Re: China From: Bernie Meyer
1h. Re: China From: Greg Watson
2a. transport costs From: Dave Kimble
2b. Re: transport costs From: Greg Watson
2c. Re: transport costs From: Dave Kimble
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1a. Re: Now Eat Your Words
Posted by: "Marcello Vella" cello.vella@yahoo.it cello.vella
Fri Aug 24, 2007 2:18 am (PST)
Greg,
excuse me for asking, but what has cell availability got to do with;
Changing factories
IEC certification
Producing in China
Changing Direction a million times
setting up of demo site
So where is the business plan?
What about the effect of these changes on your business partners and the agreements you said you have signed with them to manufacture suncubes locally. Does your anouncement of producing in China scrupper all these agreements?
Is everyone just a doormat?
Cello
Greg Watson ha scritto:
Dave,
As I said at the time, there were issues with cell availability. Now that is behind us and we are going into high volume production with Australian distribution being set-up.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Kimble
To: sunball@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words
I can't believe this is your attitude.
Don't you agree the web site is amateurish ?
It is your shop window - it is where the journo went.
Don't you think they might have expected at least to see a video of the thing working
and reams about how many you have sold, and what price and power, and where you can get them ?
If you could have had the production line up and running when you said you would,
and fulfilled all the orders for people that were clamouring for them,
and had demonstration trailers at trade fairs, etc, like you said you would,
you would have a success to point at and something to complain about with the paper.
Instead on launch day you announced you were changing factories,
then that they wouldn't be for sale to the public at all,
then you harangued the very people who were your customers for being upset,
then you announced that they WOULD be for sale to the public after all,
when the certification was ready,
then that you weren't going to wait for certification,
then that you were having them made in China.
Promises much, but hasn't made it to market yet.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Watson
To: sunball@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words
They claimed they did nothing wrong and saw no reason to actually call us. I suggest they will get a few questions from their readers as well. Oh well that is one magazine which will not be getting any of our advertising money.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Bernie Meyer
To: sunball@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words
What about a retraction or correction? Surely that wouldn't take up too much space?
Greg Watson wrote:
We asked them how they came to that conclusion. They said they checked the web site, concluded nothing was happening and wrote the words. They never even bothered to give us the courtesy of a phone call and ask what was happening. They claimed they saw no reason to take the time to call. Sloppy journalism at best.
We have offered them to come, have a look and write a proper review but so far they say they don't have enough room in the next edition.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Bernie Meyer
To: sunball@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 10:08 PM
Subject: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words
From Bumper Issue 100 of ReNew, p.77
The misses of sustainability
Sunballs, suncubes ...
A collection of esoteric solar collectors that promised much but the market didn't buy it.
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1b. Re: Now Eat Your Words
Posted by: "Greg Watson" greg.watson@greenandgoldenergy.com.au greenandgoldenergy
Fri Aug 24, 2007 2:42 am (PST)
See my answers below.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Marcello Vella
To: sunball@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words
Greg,
Excuse me for asking, but what has cell availability got to do with;
Changing factories
## There is no way possible we could have manufactured the quantity of
SunCube we need in Australia. As for the SCIG licensees they can now choose
to fast track with fully assembled SunCubes, full component kits or just
selected components as they desire. I can assure you they see this move as
very supportative of their business.
IEC certification
## IEC 62108 has still not been ratified so there is no IEC certification.
We have decided not to wait and to go into markets that don't need the
certification.
Producing in China
## Very significant capacity to fast track building 2 - 3 million SunCubes a
year with a quality oriented experienced Australian partner. Our Xiamen JV
is 100% Australian owned and operated.
Changing Direction a million times
## A little overstated. We never withdrew from the SCIG licenses just
withdrew from direct GGE retail. Now Australian and other worldwide
distributors, which no longer need to manufacture, can come on board. This
will actually deliver volume SunCubes into more peoples hands that GGE doing
in ourself.
Setting up of demo site
## On our rooftop and soon all around the world. Watch this space for the
exclusive TV launch on Today Tonight (Australian channel 7).
So where is the business plan?
## What you want to invest? Why would I disclose our business plan to anyone
but an serious investor? But yes we do have a very solid business plan with
independent verification of our figures. BTW we are NOT looking for
investors.
What about the effect of these changes on your business partners and the
agreements you said you have signed with them to manufacture suncubes
locally. Does your anouncement of producing in China scrupper all these
agreements?
## Nope, no way. It actually assists the SCIG guys to fast track SunCube in
their countries and get quick traction in their markets.
Is everyone just a doormat?
## No but they are a customer who is always right.
Cello
## Greg
Greg Watson ha scritto:
Dave,
As I said at the time, there were issues with cell availability. Now that is
behind us and we are going into high volume production with Australian
distribution being set-up.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Kimble
To: sunball@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words
I can't believe this is your attitude.
Don't you agree the web site is amateurish ?
It is your shop window - it is where the journo went.
Don't you think they might have expected at least to see a video of the
thing working
and reams about how many you have sold, and what price and power, and where
you can get them ?
If you could have had the production line up and running when you said you
would,
and fulfilled all the orders for people that were clamouring for them,
and had demonstration trailers at trade fairs, etc, like you said you would,
you would have a success to point at and something to complain about with
the paper.
Instead on launch day you announced you were changing factories,
then that they wouldn't be for sale to the public at all,
then you harangued the very people who were your customers for being upset,
then you announced that they WOULD be for sale to the public after all,
when the certification was ready,
then that you weren't going to wait for certification,
then that you were having them made in China.
Promises much, but hasn't made it to market yet.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Watson
To: sunball@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words
They claimed they did nothing wrong and saw no reason to actually call us. I
suggest they will get a few questions from their readers as well. Oh well
that is one magazine which will not be getting any of our advertising money.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Bernie Meyer
To: sunball@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words
What about a retraction or correction? Surely that wouldn't take up too much
space?
Greg Watson wrote:
We asked them how they came to that conclusion. They said they checked the
web site, concluded nothing was happening and wrote the words. They never
even bothered to give us the courtesy of a phone call and ask what was
happening. They claimed they saw no reason to take the time to call. Sloppy
journalism at best.
We have offered them to come, have a look and write a proper review but so
far they say they don't have enough room in the next edition.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Bernie Meyer
To: sunball@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 10:08 PM
Subject: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words
From Bumper Issue 100 of ReNew, p.77
The misses of sustainability
Sunballs, suncubes ...
A collection of esoteric solar collectors that promised much but the market
didn't buy it.
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1c. Re: Now Eat Your Words
Posted by: "Marcello Vella" cello.vella@yahoo.it cello.vella
Fri Aug 24, 2007 7:07 am (PST)
***See replies below
Cello
Greg Watson ha scritto:
See my answers below.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Marcello Vella
To: sunball@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words
Greg,
Excuse me for asking, but what has cell availability got to do with;
Changing factories
## There is no way possible we could have manufactured the quantity of
SunCube we need in Australia. As for the SCIG licensees they can now choose
to fast track with fully assembled SunCubes, full component kits or just
selected components as they desire. I can assure you they see this move as
very supportative of their business.
*** so what happened to the robotic lines?
IEC certification
## IEC 62108 has still not been ratified so there is no IEC certification.
We have decided not to wait and to go into markets that don't need the
certification.
Producing in China
## Very significant capacity to fast track building 2 - 3 million SunCubes a
year with a quality oriented experienced Australian partner. Our Xiamen JV
is 100% Australian owned and operated.
*** To quote you ' The suncube is not some cheap product made in China using inferior parts. So how come China means quality all over a sudden?
Changing Direction a million times
## A little overstated. We never withdrew from the SCIG licenses just
withdrew from direct GGE retail. Now Australian and other worldwide
distributors, which no longer need to manufacture, can come on board. This
will actually deliver volume SunCubes into more peoples hands that GGE doing
in ourself.
*** overstated yes; but there have been more twists and turns than in a game of snakes and ladders.
Setting up of demo site
## On our rooftop and soon all around the world. Watch this space for the
exclusive TV launch on Today Tonight (Australian channel 7).
*** unfortunately I don't have availability to that channel. So hopefully you can post a copy of the video and pics on your site.
So where is the business plan?
## What you want to invest? Why would I disclose our business plan to anyone
but an serious investor? But yes we do have a very solid business plan with
independent verification of our figures. BTW we are NOT looking for
investors.
*** asking if you have a solid business plan has nothing to do with investment. Even good ideas can fail without a solid direction. All these twists and turns show that there is no clear direction. Drawing up a solid business plan and executing is basic good business practice and not just a tool to obtain finance.
What about the effect of these changes on your business partners and the
agreements you said you have signed with them to manufacture suncubes
locally. Does your anouncement of producing in China scrupper all these
agreements?
## Nope, no way. It actually assists the SCIG guys to fast track SunCube in
their countries and get quick traction in their markets.
*** Can't comment as i'm not in their shoes.
Is everyone just a doormat?
## No but they are a customer who is always right.
*** so how about showing some goodwill towards them and mending some fences?
Cello
## Greg
*** Cello
Greg Watson ha scritto:
Dave,
As I said at the time, there were issues with cell availability. Now that is
behind us and we are going into high volume production with Australian
distribution being set-up.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Kimble
To: sunball@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words
I can't believe this is your attitude.
Don't you agree the web site is amateurish ?
It is your shop window - it is where the journo went.
Don't you think they might have expected at least to see a video of the
thing working
and reams about how many you have sold, and what price and power, and where
you can get them ?
If you could have had the production line up and running when you said you
would,
and fulfilled all the orders for people that were clamouring for them,
and had demonstration trailers at trade fairs, etc, like you said you would,
you would have a success to point at and something to complain about with
the paper.
Instead on launch day you announced you were changing factories,
then that they wouldn't be for sale to the public at all,
then you harangued the very people who were your customers for being upset,
then you announced that they WOULD be for sale to the public after all,
when the certification was ready,
then that you weren't going to wait for certification,
then that you were having them made in China.
Promises much, but hasn't made it to market yet.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Watson
To: sunball@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words
They claimed they did nothing wrong and saw no reason to actually call us. I
suggest they will get a few questions from their readers as well. Oh well
that is one magazine which will not be getting any of our advertising money.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Bernie Meyer
To: sunball@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words
What about a retraction or correction? Surely that wouldn't take up too much
space?
Greg Watson wrote:
We asked them how they came to that conclusion. They said they checked the
web site, concluded nothing was happening and wrote the words. They never
even bothered to give us the courtesy of a phone call and ask what was
happening. They claimed they saw no reason to take the time to call. Sloppy
journalism at best.
We have offered them to come, have a look and write a proper review but so
far they say they don't have enough room in the next edition.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Bernie Meyer
To: sunball@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 10:08 PM
Subject: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words
From Bumper Issue 100 of ReNew, p.77
The misses of sustainability
Sunballs, suncubes ...
A collection of esoteric solar collectors that promised much but the market
didn't buy it.
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1d. Re: Now Eat Your Words
Posted by: "Greg Watson" greg.watson@greenandgoldenergy.com.au greenandgoldenergy
Fri Aug 24, 2007 7:49 am (PST)
Replies below
----- Original Message -----
From: Marcello Vella
To: sunball@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:05 PM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words
***See replies below
Cello
Greg Watson ha scritto:
See my answers below.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Marcello Vella
To: sunball@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words
Greg,
Excuse me for asking, but what has cell availability got to do with;
Changing factories
## There is no way possible we could have manufactured the quantity of
SunCube we need in Australia. As for the SCIG licensees they can now choose
to fast track with fully assembled SunCubes, full component kits or just
selected components as they desire. I can assure you they see this move as
very supportative of their business.
*** so what happened to the robotic lines?
## In progress both in Australia and China. The Adelaide cell assy facility
wil product over 300 MWs per year of cell assemblies using robotics. The
required dirt / dust free room is almost finished. Photos in a few days.
IEC certification
## IEC 62108 has still not been ratified so there is no IEC certification.
We have decided not to wait and to go into markets that don't need the
certification.
Producing in China
## Very significant capacity to fast track building 2 - 3 million SunCubes a
year with a quality oriented experienced Australian partner. Our Xiamen JV
is 100% Australian owned and operated.
*** To quote you ' The suncube is not some cheap product made in China using
inferior parts. So how come China means quality all over a sudden?
## You missed 100% Australian owned and operated facility. How do you come
up with inferior parts? Trying to downgrade the product are we? Another
agenda do we have do we? We and our cell supplier do offer a silicon flat
panel equivalent warranty. Please tell me of another CPV supplier who can /
will match that.
## Inferior parts? Cheap shot I suggest.
Changing Direction a million times
## A little overstated. We never withdrew from the SCIG licenses just
withdrew from direct GGE retail. Now Australian and other worldwide
distributors, which no longer need to manufacture, can come on board. This
will actually deliver volume SunCubes into more peoples hands that GGE doing
in ourself.
*** overstated yes; but there have been more twists and turns than in a game
of snakes and ladders.
## Incorrect. We initiated licenses worldwide and are now giving them what
they need to get rapid traction. As for twists and turns do you really
expect us to reveal on a public forum where we are really going? I'm sure
you know of what I speak.
Setting up of demo site
## On our rooftop and soon all around the world. Watch this space for the
exclusive TV launch on Today Tonight (Australian channel 7).
*** unfortunately I don't have availability to that channel. So hopefully
you can post a copy of the video and pics on your site.
## There will be a copy on the web site.
So where is the business plan?
## What you want to invest? Why would I disclose our business plan to anyone
but an serious investor? But yes we do have a very solid business plan with
independent verification of our figures. BTW we are NOT looking for
investors.
*** asking if you have a solid business plan has nothing to do with
investment. Even good ideas can fail without a solid direction. All these
twists and turns show that there is no clear direction. Drawing up a solid
business plan and executing is basic good business practice and not just a
tool to obtain finance.
## With respect there have been very few deviations. Our thrust is very
simple. Solar farms that deliver fossil fuel competitive kWhs with matching
retain distribution. Rooftop solar that doesn't need rebates to deliver cost
effective solar kWhs. You somehow think these goals are somehow easy? Just
snap your finger and they happen? There is no one even remotely close. No
one.
## The only deviation was to back away from direct retail sales. If you are
a long time "Cubie" then you know our first market thrust was distribution
and not direct retain. We were blocked in that effort by flat panel
distributors and pulled back to direct sales. In actuality we have now gone
back to where we were when we started. We make it and they distribute it. We
have a product that will very significantly dent existing flat anel sales.
Don't think marketing a very distuptive product is simple or follows
conventional marketing rules.
What about the effect of these changes on your business partners and the
agreements you said you have signed with them to manufacture suncubes
locally. Does your anouncement of producing in China scrupper all these
agreements?
## Nope, no way. It actually assists the SCIG guys to fast track SunCube in
their countries and get quick traction in their markets.
*** Can't comment as i'm not in their shoes.
## Well those that are, are very pleased. Our Indian, Israel, Spanish,
Korean, Japanese, US, Australian and Middle East / North Africian parteners
have all visited in the last 4 weeks. The 105 MWs of cells we ordered are
taken and we are proceeding to order another 200 MWs. We may even build a
cell fab plant in Adelaide.
Is everyone just a doormat?
## No but they are a customer who is always right.
*** so how about showing some goodwill towards them and mending some fences?
## Meding what fences? We are moving rapidly to open retail distribution
channels worldwide. If you expect installation rebates then go to the
silicon guys. If you want the lowest $ / kWh them buy SunCubes. Your choice.
Cello
## Greg
*** Cello
Greg Watson ha scritto:
Dave,
As I said at the time, there were issues with cell availability. Now that is
behind us and we are going into high volume production with Australian
distribution being set-up.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Kimble
To: sunball@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words
I can't believe this is your attitude.
Don't you agree the web site is amateurish ?
It is your shop window - it is where the journo went.
Don't you think they might have expected at least to see a video of the
thing working
and reams about how many you have sold, and what price and power, and where
you can get them ?
If you could have had the production line up and running when you said you
would,
and fulfilled all the orders for people that were clamouring for them,
and had demonstration trailers at trade fairs, etc, like you said you would,
you would have a success to point at and something to complain about with
the paper.
Instead on launch day you announced you were changing factories,
then that they wouldn't be for sale to the public at all,
then you harangued the very people who were your customers for being upset,
then you announced that they WOULD be for sale to the public after all,
when the certification was ready,
then that you weren't going to wait for certification,
then that you were having them made in China.
Promises much, but hasn't made it to market yet.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Watson
To: sunball@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words
They claimed they did nothing wrong and saw no reason to actually call us. I
suggest they will get a few questions from their readers as well. Oh well
that is one magazine which will not be getting any of our advertising money.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Bernie Meyer
To: sunball@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words
What about a retraction or correction? Surely that wouldn't take up too much
space?
Greg Watson wrote:
We asked them how they came to that conclusion. They said they checked the
web site, concluded nothing was happening and wrote the words. They never
even bothered to give us the courtesy of a phone call and ask what was
happening. They claimed they saw no reason to take the time to call. Sloppy
journalism at best.
We have offered them to come, have a look and write a proper review but so
far they say they don't have enough room in the next edition.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Bernie Meyer
To: sunball@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 10:08 PM
Subject: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words
From Bumper Issue 100 of ReNew, p.77
The misses of sustainability
Sunballs, suncubes ...
A collection of esoteric solar collectors that promised much but the market
didn't buy it.
Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who
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1e. China
Posted by: "Bernie Meyer" a1j7g3@yahoo.com a1j7g3
Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:30 pm (PST)
You mentioned "So how come China means quality all over a sudden?" If you look at the recent recalls, then probably it doesn't.
Certainly, I stay well clear of their food products due to lack of standards there and here (why do we allow food items banned in the US?). Maybe electronics and other related manufacturing items are acceptable.
The problem is they have been thrust into the modern age, but many important issues are still rather primitive.
Marcello Vella wrote:
***See replies below
Cello
Greg Watson ha scritto:
See my answers below.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Marcello Vella
To: sunball@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words
Greg,
Excuse me for asking, but what has cell availability got to do with;
Changing factories
## There is no way possible we could have manufactured the quantity of
SunCube we need in Australia. As for the SCIG licensees they can now choose
to fast track with fully assembled SunCubes, full component kits or just
selected components as they desire. I can assure you they see this move as
very supportative of their business.
*** so what happened to the robotic lines?
IEC certification
## IEC 62108 has still not been ratified so there is no IEC certification.
We have decided not to wait and to go into markets that don't need the
certification.
Producing in China
## Very significant capacity to fast track building 2 - 3 million SunCubes a
year with a quality oriented experienced Australian partner. Our Xiamen JV
is 100% Australian owned and operated.
*** To quote you ' The suncube is not some cheap product made in China using inferior parts. So how come China means quality all over a sudden?
Changing Direction a million times
## A little overstated. We never withdrew from the SCIG licenses just
withdrew from direct GGE retail. Now Australian and other worldwide
distributors, which no longer need to manufacture, can come on board. This
will actually deliver volume SunCubes into more peoples hands that GGE doing
in ourself.
*** overstated yes; but there have been more twists and turns than in a game of snakes and ladders.
Setting up of demo site
## On our rooftop and soon all around the world. Watch this space for the
exclusive TV launch on Today Tonight (Australian channel 7).
*** unfortunately I don't have availability to that channel. So hopefully you can post a copy of the video and pics on your site.
So where is the business plan?
## What you want to invest? Why would I disclose our business plan to anyone
but an serious investor? But yes we do have a very solid business plan with
independent verification of our figures. BTW we are NOT looking for
investors.
*** asking if you have a solid business plan has nothing to do with investment. Even good ideas can fail without a solid direction. All these twists and turns show that there is no clear direction. Drawing up a solid business plan and executing is basic good business practice and not just a tool to obtain finance.
What about the effect of these changes on your business partners and the
agreements you said you have signed with them to manufacture suncubes
locally. Does your anouncement of producing in China scrupper all these
agreements?
## Nope, no way. It actually assists the SCIG guys to fast track SunCube in
their countries and get quick traction in their markets.
*** Can't comment as i'm not in their shoes.
Is everyone just a doormat?
## No but they are a customer who is always right.
*** so how about showing some goodwill towards them and mending some fences?
Cello
## Greg
*** Cello
Greg Watson ha scritto:
Dave,
As I said at the time, there were issues with cell availability. Now that is
behind us and we are going into high volume production with Australian
distribution being set-up.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Kimble
To: sunball@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words
I can't believe this is your attitude.
Don't you agree the web site is amateurish ?
It is your shop window - it is where the journo went.
Don't you think they might have expected at least to see a video of the
thing working
and reams about how many you have sold, and what price and power, and where
you can get them ?
If you could have had the production line up and running when you said you
would,
and fulfilled all the orders for people that were clamouring for them,
and had demonstration trailers at trade fairs, etc, like you said you would,
you would have a success to point at and something to complain about with
the paper.
Instead on launch day you announced you were changing factories,
then that they wouldn't be for sale to the public at all,
then you harangued the very people who were your customers for being upset,
then you announced that they WOULD be for sale to the public after all,
when the certification was ready,
then that you weren't going to wait for certification,
then that you were having them made in China.
Promises much, but hasn't made it to market yet.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Watson
To: sunball@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words
They claimed they did nothing wrong and saw no reason to actually call us. I
suggest they will get a few questions from their readers as well. Oh well
that is one magazine which will not be getting any of our advertising money.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Bernie Meyer
To: sunball@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words
What about a retraction or correction? Surely that wouldn't take up too much
space?
Greg Watson wrote:
We asked them how they came to that conclusion. They said they checked the
web site, concluded nothing was happening and wrote the words. They never
even bothered to give us the courtesy of a phone call and ask what was
happening. They claimed they saw no reason to take the time to call. Sloppy
journalism at best.
We have offered them to come, have a look and write a proper review but so
far they say they don't have enough room in the next edition.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Bernie Meyer
To: sunball@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 10:08 PM
Subject: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words
From Bumper Issue 100 of ReNew, p.77
The misses of sustainability
Sunballs, suncubes ...
A collection of esoteric solar collectors that promised much but the market
didn't buy it.
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1f. Re: China
Posted by: "Greg Watson" greg.watson@greenandgoldenergy.com.au greenandgoldenergy
Fri Aug 24, 2007 6:40 pm (PST)
The Xiamen facility is 100% Australian owned and operated. We design the manufacturing process, define and control the quality standards. We just use Chinese CNC shops to do the machining of the various components. I say again the Xiamen JV is not Chinese. It is 100% Australian owned and operated. Members of the Australian management team are moving their families to Xiamen to run the facility.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Bernie Meyer
To: sunball@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 10:49 AM
Subject: [Sunball] China
You mentioned "So how come China means quality all over a sudden?" If you look at the recent recalls, then probably it doesn't.
Certainly, I stay well clear of their food products due to lack of standards there and here (why do we allow food items banned in the US?). Maybe electronics and other related manufacturing items are acceptable.
The problem is they have been thrust into the modern age, but many important issues are still rather primitive.
Marcello Vella wrote:
***See replies below
Cello
Greg Watson ha scritto:
See my answers below.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Marcello Vella
To: sunball@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words
Greg,
Excuse me for asking, but what has cell availability got to do with;
Changing factories
## There is no way possible we could have manufactured the quantity of
SunCube we need in Australia. As for the SCIG licensees they can now choose
to fast track with fully assembled SunCubes, full component kits or just
selected components as they desire. I can assure you they see this move as
very supportative of their business.
*** so what happened to the robotic lines?
IEC certification
## IEC 62108 has still not been ratified so there is no IEC certification.
We have decided not to wait and to go into markets that don't need the
certification.
Producing in China
## Very significant capacity to fast track building 2 - 3 million SunCubes a
year with a quality oriented experienced Australian partner. Our Xiamen JV
is 100% Australian owned and operated.
*** To quote you ' The suncube is not some cheap product made in China using inferior parts. So how come China means quality all over a sudden?
Changing Direction a million times
## A little overstated. We never withdrew from the SCIG licenses just
withdrew from direct GGE retail. Now Australian and other worldwide
distributors, which no longer need to manufacture, can come on board. This
will actually deliver volume SunCubes into more peoples hands that GGE doing
in ourself.
*** overstated yes; but there have been more twists and turns than in a game of snakes and ladders.
Setting up of demo site
## On our rooftop and soon all around the world. Watch this space for the
exclusive TV launch on Today Tonight (Australian channel 7).
*** unfortunately I don't have availability to that channel. So hopefully you can post a copy of the video and pics on your site.
So where is the business plan?
## What you want to invest? Why would I disclose our business plan to anyone
but an serious investor? But yes we do have a very solid business plan with
independent verification of our figures. BTW we are NOT looking for
investors.
*** asking if you have a solid business plan has nothing to do with investment. Even good ideas can fail without a solid direction. All these twists and turns show that there is no clear direction. Drawing up a solid business plan and executing is basic good business practice and not just a tool to obtain finance.
What about the effect of these changes on your business partners and the
agreements you said you have signed with them to manufacture suncubes
locally. Does your anouncement of producing in China scrupper all these
agreements?
## Nope, no way. It actually assists the SCIG guys to fast track SunCube in
their countries and get quick traction in their markets.
*** Can't comment as i'm not in their shoes.
Is everyone just a doormat?
## No but they are a customer who is always right.
*** so how about showing some goodwill towards them and mending some fences?
Cello
## Greg
*** Cello
Greg Watson ha scritto:
Dave,
As I said at the time, there were issues with cell availability. Now that is
behind us and we are going into high volume production with Australian
distribution being set-up.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Kimble
To: sunball@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words
I can't believe this is your attitude.
Don't you agree the web site is amateurish ?
It is your shop window - it is where the journo went.
Don't you think they might have expected at least to see a video of the
thing working
and reams about how many you have sold, and what price and power, and where
you can get them ?
If you could have had the production line up and running when you said you
would,
and fulfilled all the orders for people that were clamouring for them,
and had demonstration trailers at trade fairs, etc, like you said you would,
you would have a success to point at and something to complain about with
the paper.
Instead on launch day you announced you were changing factories,
then that they wouldn't be for sale to the public at all,
then you harangued the very people who were your customers for being upset,
then you announced that they WOULD be for sale to the public after all,
when the certification was ready,
then that you weren't going to wait for certification,
then that you were having them made in China.
Promises much, but hasn't made it to market yet.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Watson
To: sunball@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words
They claimed they did nothing wrong and saw no reason to actually call us. I
suggest they will get a few questions from their readers as well. Oh well
that is one magazine which will not be getting any of our advertising money.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Bernie Meyer
To: sunball@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words
What about a retraction or correction? Surely that wouldn't take up too much
space?
Greg Watson wrote:
We asked them how they came to that conclusion. They said they checked the
web site, concluded nothing was happening and wrote the words. They never
even bothered to give us the courtesy of a phone call and ask what was
happening. They claimed they saw no reason to take the time to call. Sloppy
journalism at best.
We have offered them to come, have a look and write a proper review but so
far they say they don't have enough room in the next edition.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Bernie Meyer
To: sunball@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2007 10:08 PM
Subject: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words
From Bumper Issue 100 of ReNew, p.77
The misses of sustainability
Sunballs, suncubes ...
A collection of esoteric solar collectors that promised much but the market
didn't buy it.
Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who
knows.
Yahoo! Answers - Check it out.
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1g. Re: China
Posted by: "Bernie Meyer" a1j7g3@yahoo.com a1j7g3
Sat Aug 25, 2007 12:35 am (PST)
Hi Greg,
It's great the facility is 100% Australian, but sad it had to come to that. It would have been nice if Australian labour could have been used in Australia, but there are probably lots of good viable reasons to manufacture off shore - and quantity is most likely a major factor.
Bernie
Greg Watson wrote:
The Xiamen facility is 100% Australian owned and operated. We design the manufacturing process, define and control the quality standards. We just use Chinese CNC shops to do the machining of the various components. I say again the Xiamen JV is not Chinese. It is 100% Australian owned and operated. Members of the Australian management team are moving their families to Xiamen to run the facility.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Bernie Meyer
To: sunball@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 10:49 AM
Subject: [Sunball] China
You mentioned "So how come China means quality all over a sudden?" If you look at the recent recalls, then probably it doesn't.
Certainly, I stay well clear of their food products due to lack of standards there and here (why do we allow food items banned in the US?). Maybe electronics and other related manufacturing items are acceptable.
The problem is they have been thrust into the modern age, but many important issues are still rather primitive.
Marcello Vella wrote:
***See replies below
Cello
Greg Watson ha scritto:
See my answers below.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Marcello Vella
To: sunball@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 4:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words
Greg,
Excuse me for asking, but what has cell availability got to do with;
Changing factories
## There is no way possible we could have manufactured the quantity of
SunCube we need in Australia. As for the SCIG licensees they can now choose
to fast track with fully assembled SunCubes, full component kits or just
selected components as they desire. I can assure you they see this move as
very supportative of their business.
*** so what happened to the robotic lines?
IEC certification
## IEC 62108 has still not been ratified so there is no IEC certification.
We have decided not to wait and to go into markets that don't need the
certification.
Producing in China
## Very significant capacity to fast track building 2 - 3 million SunCubes a
year with a quality oriented experienced Australian partner. Our Xiamen JV
is 100% Australian owned and operated.
*** To quote you ' The suncube is not some cheap product made in China using inferior parts. So how come China means quality all over a sudden?
Changing Direction a million times
## A little overstated. We never withdrew from the SCIG licenses just
withdrew from direct GGE retail. Now Australian and other worldwide
distributors, which no longer need to manufacture, can come on board. This
will actually deliver volume SunCubes into more peoples hands that GGE doing
in ourself.
*** overstated yes; but there have been more twists and turns than in a game of snakes and ladders.
Setting up of demo site
## On our rooftop and soon all around the world. Watch this space for the
exclusive TV launch on Today Tonight (Australian channel 7).
*** unfortunately I don't have availability to that channel. So hopefully you can post a copy of the video and pics on your site.
So where is the business plan?
## What you want to invest? Why would I disclose our business plan to anyone
but an serious investor? But yes we do have a very solid business plan with
independent verification of our figures. BTW we are NOT looking for
investors.
*** asking if you have a solid business plan has nothing to do with investment. Even good ideas can fail without a solid direction. All these twists and turns show that there is no clear direction. Drawing up a solid business plan and executing is basic good business practice and not just a tool to obtain finance.
What about the effect of these changes on your business partners and the
agreements you said you have signed with them to manufacture suncubes
locally. Does your anouncement of producing in China scrupper all these
agreements?
## Nope, no way. It actually assists the SCIG guys to fast track SunCube in
their countries and get quick traction in their markets.
*** Can't comment as i'm not in their shoes.
Is everyone just a doormat?
## No but they are a customer who is always right.
*** so how about showing some goodwill towards them and mending some fences?
Cello
## Greg
*** Cello
Greg Watson ha scritto:
Dave,
As I said at the time, there were issues with cell availability. Now that is
behind us and we are going into high volume production with Australian
distribution being set-up.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Kimble
To: sunball@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 10:19 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words
I can't believe this is your attitude.
Don't you agree the web site is amateurish ?
It is your shop window - it is where the journo went.
Don't you think they might have expected at least to see a video of the
thing working
and reams about how many you have sold, and what price and power, and where
you can get them ?
If you could have had the production line up and running when you said you
would,
and fulfilled all the orders for people that were clamouring for them,
and had demonstration trailers at trade fairs, etc, like you said you would,
you would have a success to point at and something to complain about with
the paper.
Instead on launch day you announced you were changing factories,
then that they wouldn't be for sale to the public at all,
then you harangued the very people who were your customers for being upset,
then you announced that they WOULD be for sale to the public after all,
when the certification was ready,
then that you weren't going to wait for certification,
then that you were having them made in China.
Promises much, but hasn't made it to market yet.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Watson
To: sunball@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 9:50 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words
They claimed they did nothing wrong and saw no reason to actually call us. I
suggest they will get a few questions from their readers as well. Oh well
that is one magazine which will not be getting any of our advertising money.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Bernie Meyer
To: sunball@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: [Sunball] Now Eat Your Words
What about a retraction or correction? Sur
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