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The web based history of GGE

Back in October of 2005, Greg Watson on Australias ABC 'New Inventors" program, presented a novel concept, a new form of solar generation device for a household roof, called the Sunball. According to both GGE and a moderated chat put up by the programs administrators, this device won the "People's Choice" award for 2005. At about the same time a Yahoo message board, the Sunball forum, was started. It seems with the express intent of publicizing the ongoing R&D being conducted on this new invention.

I did not join the group at this time, as I was not aware of the existence of CPV until around March of 2008, however it appears there were a number of individuals choosing to post derogatory information aimed at discrediting Greg Watson and this invention which prompted a shutdown of the forums access to historical records.

To get an idea on what independent inventors go through endeavouring to get their inventions right, consider the attempts Sir James Dyson had getting the 'bagless vacuum' cleaner fully functional. "It took Dyson 5 years and 5,127 attempts according to this site. Sir James Dyson is now a very rich man (estimated $2B US) and has become so in the last 10 years, but it did not come without a lot of hard work, time and false starts before perfecting his improvement on a product that we had taken to be already mature - the humble vacuum cleaner.

I look at the story of Green and Gold Energy and Greg Watson as having parallels to Sir James Dyson.

According to a cached version of Greg Watson's CV, it seems Mr Watson had a history of invention, some successful including inventing the PC230, sold through Watsons company 'Microbyte' which was one of the few companies to sell PC's to IBM.

Summary of positions

USAF, (USA 1965 - 1969) SAC, Guidance, Navigation & Flight Systems, (KC135 & B52 Aircraft).

Burroughs Corporation, (USA 1969 - 1971) Test Engineer, Medium & Large Mainframe design group.

Burroughs Corporation, (UK 1971 - 1972) Factory Engineering Support, Midland Bank Project.

Burroughs Corporation, (Australia 1972 - 1981) Engineering Support Rep, Large Mainframes.

Gas and Fuel Project, (Vic 1972 - 1973).

Hardware Project Manager, Mandata Project, (ACT 1973 - 1976).

Hardware Project Manager, Queensland Tab Project, (Qld, 1978)

Site Facilities and Hardware Project Manager, SA Tab Project, (SA 1976 - 1981).

Micro Byte Systems, (SA 1981 - 1991) Electronics Design / Manufacturing, Managing Director.

Greg Watson Consulting, (SA 1981 - Present) Personal Computer Consultancy, System Design, Networking, Training.

"He has a good business experience and has had good relations with different prime ministers. In 1981, he mounted his wife with his own company: Micro Byte Systems and it also leads Greg Watson Consulting. It now has 45 employees and a turnover of $ 10 million per year. It is thanks to him that MicroByte became one of two suppliers of the Ministry of Defence. He has over 80 PC vendors in many countries and pr feel MicroByte Germany (Ce BIT). His company was one of the few to sell computers at IBM." Translated from French Translated Yahoo Link

Joe Cell - run your car on water

Being very interested in renewable energy and having the background knowledge to analyse new inventions as well as develop them, in April of 2006, 6 months after the Sunball had featured on Australian TV, Greg Watson started to post on a message board dedicated to a 'free energy' device designed to make a car run on water called the Joe Cell.

At the time Greg Watson had been a member of the New Energy Congress which is "a global association of experts who review the most promising new and emerging energy technologies." It seems the Joe Cell had been attracting attention by this group and Greg had thrown his hat into the ring to visit the Joe Cell developers, conduct validation of the technology, and if real and practical, report back to Peswiki (NEC) and possibly become involved or assist in the commercialization of the Joe Cell invention. According to Peswiki, the Joe Cell is an "electrolysis cell built with concentric stainless steel pipes." According to their site the following statements are attributed to Joe, one of the inventors:

    * The water in the cell is not consumed.
    * The cell runs cold to the touch.
    * It takes a period of time before the engine will run from the cell. It then has an erratic power output and works in an intermittent fashion.
    * When the cell is removed from the car, the engine takes an appreciable time to return to "normal" and run from the original fuel.
    * If the cell is left in the car for a long period, the engine becomes "charged". From this point, the cell is not required for the motor to run.
    * All spark plug leads can be removed and the engine will still run as long as the ignition coil and distributor remain functional.
    * The output of the cell does not have to be connected to the internals of the engine. A close external coupling will do.
    * The cell requires the "charging" of the water to work.
    * The requires a specific style of construction, little understood by most constructors.
    * The source of power for the cell and its use has great value for some individuals. These individuals are creating misinformation, cloaking operations and inducing fear in cell constructors.
    * Human presence can affect the operation of the cell in a positive or negative way.

Peter Stevens, owner of Rainbow Power company and developer of the Joe Cell, posted a history of the development of the Cell on Peswiki talking about their discovery. One thing which weaves a common thread throughout the history of the Joe Cell is Joe's strong religious faith, which Peter alludes to in this article "So finally when I got up to Joe's place on Friday night, Ron and Joe where into Religion in a big way" and I have also watched a video interview with Joe which details his strong beliefs. This is recommended viewing to gain an understanding of just how much of the Joe Cell concept becoming operational is dependent on 'faith'.

http://www.leechvideo.com/video/view2285070.html

Nimbin, where Rainbow Power Company is based, is a small community of around 352 people, which is in a rural setting surrounded by 'multiple occupancy'farms or according to wiki, famous for its 'hippy communes'. It is located approximately 30km North of Lismore in New South Wales, Australia.


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Around the start of 2006, the Joe Cell, touted as a free energy device whose developers believe will allow a car to run on water, had a number of people attempting to replicate the effects and prove this device works.

It also seems in April of 2006, around the time the validation efforts were being recommended by Greg Watson in Australia, that in the US, Bill Williams whose truck had been running on a Joe Cell according to Peswiki, had been threatened by unknown MIB (Men In Black) to destroy his plans for the device.

Back in Australia, the dialog on the message board for the Joe Cell where Greg Watson was trying to get to the heart of the matter, had started to deteriorate. Greg appeared to come to the board with an open mind and was asking valid questions, but he was beginning to be met with resistance and flames (aggression, insults etc) from other Joe Cell 'believers'. Below is a history of posts you should read to get an understanding of the dialogue which went on around this technology.

April 30 Recommendation on voltages to try.

May 1 A look at some of the claims in a patent application

May 2 Greg waiting on a call from Peter Stevens to arrange a time to validate the Cell.

May 3 Comment on Alex Schiffers article, who wrote a book in 1999 about the Joe Cell. This site also sells Joe Cell equipment.

May 3 Admittedly Greg does get in some cross promotion of the Suncube solar panel

May 4 Smoke and Mirrors comment

May 5 Discussion of vacuum and video

May 28 Sterling D Allen founder of Peswiki contributes to the board.

May 9 This post was asking about the success of the replication on the Rover.

May 14 Greg is now thinking this may be a 15 year con job as Peter Stevens has backed away from any trial

May 15 Starting to get a little heated

May 16 More flames

May 17 Greg has been unsubscribed 3 times from the JoeCell2 board and sent virus emails in the process

May 17 Threats via email

May 17 This guy talks about providing proof

May 18 Peter is now back on at JoeCell2 after booting Greg and posting updates on Joe Cell successes-

May 25 If 1300 people are interested in this phenomenon and only 5 people claim to have a working Joe Cell after 6 years, shouldn't an attempt be made at validation?

May 25 Sensible post

June 6 Post on possible threats to Bill Williams and validation

June 13 Sterling D Allen supporting and requesting breathing space for the Joe Cell inventors and Greg Watson's response

June 14 Greg Watson "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof".

June 14 Greg Watson "15 years of urban legend BS"

June 15 Conspiracy theory maybe?

June 15 It may work only of you believe in God

June 15 Moderator gives an ultimatum

June 16 Sterling D Allen posts Greg Watsons email thread with resignation from the New Energy Congress

September 11 The Joe Cell claims have never been validated

Jan 23 2008 Alex Schiffer who wrote the Joe Cell book posts as ratbaitus (Note see the ID's attacking Greg Watson later on in this article - Nurse Ratchit, rat dropping etc)

There are 829 posts when searching for Greg Watson in this MB, too many for me to plough through and certainly fully understand, so if this history of the Joe Cell is of any interest, please visit this search link.

As of January 2007, it is worth noting that any further real updates on Sterling D Allens Peswiki seemed to cease on the process of validation of the Joe Cell.

There are other sites dedicated to this device some positive and optimistic, some discrediting video's made on the Joe Cell.

More links

http://www.joecellenergy.com/

http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/JoesCell2/

For 15 years word of this mysterious phenomenon known as the Joe Cell and unexplained 'orgone energy', of which there are many believers, had made its rounds via word of mouth and the internet. What I can see is this:

- You can not it seems buy and have someone install a Joe Cell in your car

- You must spend your own time attempting to build your own Joe Cell, install it yourself and test it yourself.

- To do this means many hours of research and purchasing of materials

- There is also a common thread that most people cannot get this device to work, and therefore 'they have done something wrong' when building it themselves.

- The element of faith is strongly played upon - ie it may not work if you do not 'believe'

It appears that Greg Watson genuinely did attempt on multiple occasions to 'validate' the technology for the developers. Maybe he was aggressive in his approach, maybe there is something to his claims about this being less than an honest group of people promoting it, however my interest is not whether it works or not, it is what has happened elsewhere on the blogosphere that I am interested.

So let me continue.

Keith Leech

At about the same time as Greg Watson began posting on the Joe Cell pages, on 18 March 2006, Keef put up what appeared to be his first post on the mudcat forum talking about the Suncube in a very positive way.

The cost of solar voltaic panels has been stuck on about $20 per watt for about 20 years. With the cost of all other silicon based products (processors, memory etc) having improved in cost/ performance by a factor of thousands over the same period this might start to look like an energy cartel conspiracy.
An Aussie inventor has come up with an idea that gives approximately 5 times more watt hours per day than a similar priced conventional panel.
The idea uses a low cost fresnel lens to concentrate the suns rays onto a fairly small area of photocells plus an intelligent tracking mechanism to follow the sun all day. I wonder how far this idea will go before it mysteriously vanishes like so many other inventions that might upset the status quo

Over a year goes by before on 21 March of 2007 Keef posts anything further on the product.

This was a minor comment discussing the fact he has an order in. But by April 16th , less than a month later, Keef has decided to defame Greg Watson, starting with this post on the Sunball Forum (which has been disabled so I cannot track back history for this month).

Following some critical postings on Greg's suncube forum he has now
spat the dummy bigtime.
Here is the post that got up his nose.
South Australia 16th April.
Residents of the sleepy outback town of Woomera were awakened this
morning by the sound of huge numbers of low flying pigs. Car
windscreens were splattered with green manure and mounds of steaming
dung was piled metres deep over a vast area.
Residents have raised concerns that this event is connected with the
building of the new Sunpube Solar farm in the area. Inventor Greg
Watson denies this claiming that the farm emits no pollution
whatsoever and will supply the energy needs of the entire planet from
an area of less that 1 square kilometer. Said Mr Watson, "my Sunpube
technology derives its energy not only from the sun, but also from
starlight and the magnetohydribblity overunity generation effect.
There are no adverse effects on the environment and huge numbers of
local jobs have been created. Local glaziers in particular have
enjoyed a boom due to the frequent need for replacement of thousands
of glass lenses. Local youths have also benefited from the
entertainment opportunities available at the solar park. It has become
a popular gathering place for them to enjoy wholesome outdoor pursuits
including target practice and rock concerts. In fact it has become so
popular that each Saturday night hundreds of utes converge on the farm
each carrying a plentiful supply of rocks.
Mr Watson has been gratified by the public response to his generous
share offering which has allowed thousands of mum and dad investors to
grab a slice of this lucrative enterprise.
Whilst strongly denying any connection with the mysterious airborne
porcine phenomenon, Mr Watson has nonetheless offered to supply
residents with a free supply of greenwash to at least cover up the
problems.
Reporter Keef Wotsisname
Signing off
His response was interesting!
Re: [Sunball] News Flash ....Woomera South Australia
Dog......Toast,
We have initiated legal proceeding against one person who tried to
sign a license agreement, obtained and disclosed confidential information,
broke the signed NDA, went behind our backs to try to buy cells, is trying
to clone the SunCube and have emailed me claiming they will take away the
SCIG licenses (I have the emails you sent them). You will shortly receive
the summonds from our legal council.
Let me make myself very clear Dog......Toast, you can not hide behind
a cheap email alias. We are initiating a search which will identify who
you are. GGE will not stand for this kind of insulting, defamatory and
derogatory comments clearly meant to discredit myself, GGE and the
SunCube. All of your posts in this forum have been referred to our legal
council for their action.
Additionally I find your handle is an insult to others in this forum.
Greg Watson
CEO
Green and Gold Energy
And so was Keef"s follow up
Re: News Flash ....Woomera South Australia
My BALLS are bigger than your balls Greg
And that's MR Dogchaten-Toust if you don't mind.
Keef

All of Keefs Mudcat postings
http://www.mudcat.org/usersearch.cfm?who=Keef

It is interesting to note that Keef's original nickname, Roversbreath has connotations for what the test vehicle which the Joe Cell, a Rover V8, was going to be running on. Ie Rovers Breath. Now the discussions ramp up a notch or two with Greg Watson closing off the Sunball forum to unregulated postings and blocking historical record review, a new Yahoo MB comes into existence with the name Sungrid forum. Again with the intention of providing people a platform to discuss CPV developments and possible ways to design and construct their own solar unit, which until Greg shut it down, the Sunball forum had been doing. Here are the Sungrid Posts. Note a new character will be introduced here who goes by the nick sz and calls himself "Mr Hydrogen."

11 May 2007. - Sungrid forum begins with this post

May 12 9:45am - First SZ post – SZ talks about where some of the components to build your own Suncube can be bought.

May 12 2007 at 9:58am - Followed by an attack on Greg Watson's credibility

May 12 2007 10:19 – At least someone has the sense to see where this line of discussion is headed

May 12 2007 10:22 - Less than 30 minutes after SZ we have Keefs first negative post - "I think Greg is somewhat deranged."

May 12 2007 at 10:58 pm - Next post intended to question the design practicalities

May 13 2007 at 4:21am - And a response to Keef by SZ

13 May 2007 4:28am - So now we plant the IP patent registration doubts abround the Suncube by SZ

13 May 2007 10:47pm - Follow this up by Keef with another post

May 14 2007 8:58am - At least someone has tried to put some perspective on this issue

"A word on Greg Watson. Greg may not be a fantastic all-round businessman we all wish him to be (few inventors are), but I'd ask we give a little respect where it is due. He was the trailblazer in this area and got many of us excited about the possibilities. There is a good chance he will reconsider the marketing plan, and also a chance that we will all be able to purchase the DIY components from him, in due course. This is all my speculation, I have no concrete facts to back this up."

May 14 2007 at 10:pm - So a call for commonsense is answered by Keef with this

But every so often a genuine question is asked to maintain at least a semblance of credibility

14 May 2007 10:28pm - But then we attack other areas of the technology. Price first.

15 May 2007 6:56am - Again followed by a post from SZ with veiled threats

May 15 2007 at 8:14 am - A moment of self reflection by Keef or part of the game?

May 15 2007 8:54am - Nope, theres that competitor again casting dispersions of character

May 16 2007 12:23 am - Deserves a read. Contributes nothing but bile to the discussion.

May 16 2007 9:44am - Okay now lets attack the aesthetics.

May 16 2007 10:49am - Now lets create fear of high temperatures without any facts

May 16 2007 11:49am - And SZ fostering encouragement for negativity

May 16 2007 11:06 am - OK now what does Keef guy do? "I have been a solar hot water installer and know full well the problems of working on roofs."

May 17 2007 4:59am - OK at this stage Keef now sells solar hot water systems.

May 18 2007 10:48pm - Keef taking pride in being an agitator.

May 19 2007 2:12 am - Post by SZ proves Greg Watson has been working on CPV since at least Feb 2006, . "In the above transcript between Watson and Ricard of Sol3G in Feb.2006,"

May 19 2007 3:10am - Now that we believe we have done away with Watsons credibility lets copy the idea

May 19 2007 7:31am - Finally someone recognizes what is going on here.

May 19 2007 10:39pm - But lets blame someone else for our mistakes huh?

May 21 2007 10pm - Again shift back to what appears to be a genuine line of questioning.

May 21 2007 10:27pm - Fool people that you are genuine then post this.

May 21 2007 11:57pm - Again someone asks this guy to return to what the board is about.

May 22 2007 at 6:27am - Now remembering Keef sells hot water systems see him now advertise his wares

May 22 2007 at 11:04pm - And again

May 23 2007 10:33am - Time to try to close the sale.

May 23 2007 12:32pm - And on cue, the business SZ is in gets a mention. . "Of course the main reason for renewable energy generation is hydrogen production."

May 25 2007 12:20am - So now lets try to link a completely unrelated issue to Greg Watson

May 25 2007 7:20am - And then more seeds of doubt . And how would he know this?

May 26 2007 2am - More sales from SZ?

28 May 2007 2:35am - Lets not give up creating doubt.

28 May 2007 10:09pm - And again cast doubt and self sales

29 May 2007 10:22am. - Did they forget this is a forum discussing CPV?

Jun 3 2007 10:24am - On the attack again.

June 6 2007 11:51pm - So justification for personal attacks?

"I have myself been inconvenienced by the false promises held out by Greg and have bought a crappy Chinese wind generator plus small solar panel as a stopgap measure until my Suncube arrived in August. I was also rather disappointed that my job application (willing, qualified, eager to be a part of the Suncube venture) did not even receive a reply."

Okay let me just stop here for a minute and examine this claim. Firstly Keef DID have a solar installation business called SolarTech Genius. It was based in Lismore which is about 30km from Nimbin (remember Rainbow Power and the Joe Cell) and he did apply for a job with Greg Watson. (Note the thread has been removed but this is what Watson posted on the backshed).

From: keefxxxf@bordernet.com.au
To: greg.watson@greenandgoldenergy.com.au
Sent: Wednesday, April 25, 2007 2:35 PM
Subject: intent to order
To Greg Watson
I would like to purchase a 3 x3 dc output unit asap. I would prefer a 12volt model but I could get by with a 24 Volt. Please advise approximate date for availability.
I am presently living on a multiple occupancy community with 70 plus members (no mains electricity available). I have been enthusiastic about your product since the New Inventors program. I am ready to purchase a system immediately and if it lives up to expectations then you could expect multiple orders from other community members. Systems in use at present are a variety of wind generators, small flat panel solar etc and none of these are very satisfactory.
I am also interested in a position within your company, sales, technical or production. If you would like me to forward my resume please advise.
Regards
Keith Leech
====================
So maybe Keith, now is the time to start telling the truth. BTW Emcore and all their investors know who you are. I'm sure they would like to have a private face to face with you for destroying the value of their investments with your ego gratification lies.
Maybe I should post all the very nasty emails you have send to the SA government in your attempt to destroy me, GGE and the SunCube for your own personal gain. I'm sure you do know this is a criminal activity and the internet will not protect you.
Keith as far as I'm concerned you are a sick person that needs professional help. So don't expect me to respond to you any more. It is just a waste of my time.
As for everyone else, please ask away. I'm here to clear up the mess that Keith has created.
Edited by greengoldenergy on 01 May 2008 at 8:39am
__________________
All the best,
Green and Gold Energy Pty., Ltd
Greg Watson, CEO
7 Provident Avenue, Glynde, 5070
South Australia, Australia, +61 8 8365 5844
http://www.greenandgoldenergy.com.au

The dates here are important.

This email application for work and ordering a Suncube was received by Greg Watson on April 25 2007.

By this time, Keef had already (April 16th) commenced a systematic series of attacks on Greg Watson. He had also claimed that the order for the Suncube was placed on 21 March 2007. "Meanwhile the SUNBALL http://www.greenandgoldenergy.com.au/ is promising to be commercially released in August. I have got my order in!"

Also being in the industry and such an expert at solar equipment, you would think Keef would have the capacity to find out which are the best products to install on his own home. Blaming someone else here did not make any sense at all to me.

We continue

June 19 2007 12:16pm - Another call for sanity.
21 June 2007 3:53am - Will Keef quit now he has an audience?
21 June 2007 5:17am - Lets get the government involved. Great way to take out a competitor. Especially as it was these guys who started the misinformation in the first place.
June 21 2007 10:03pm - At least this guy sees exactly what is going on.

26 June 2007 11:55am. - Time to fight back.
"Oh by the way, SZ, just remember I have the entire email history of how you begged me to give you the GGE license for NSW, told me I was wasting my time with the other potential NSW partners, how you went on to try to duplicate the SunCube, take away the GGE licensees and would put GGE out of business. Maybe I should go public with the entire email dialog and let the good folks here understand why you are trying to discredit me, GGE and the SunCube. To be very clear, you intentions are for your own personal financial gain."

You need to read the exchange of posts here as there are too many to post.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/SunGrid/messages/718?l=1

Jun 29 2007 9:03am - And what happens when one idea is dropped in favour of a more practical and feasible alternative? (Do not forget James Dysons 5,127 attempts)

1 Jul 2007 9:00am - Finally Greg proves what he has just said about SZ.


Hey here he is:
http://www.hydrogen.asn.au/Australian-Solar-Energy.htm
This is the same guy who begged me to award him the NSW license for the
SunCube, ripped off what I gave him under NDA and has emailed me boasting of
his plans to put me out of business. Now it is clear he intends to rip off
what ever CPV knowledge that he can, including what he learns in this place,
make his SunCube clone and trade under the SunCube name.
BTW I never asked him for a cent until he visited GGE in Adelaide and was
satisfied that the SunCube did what we claimed. He never visited despite
several invitations. He had the opportunity to see for himself firsthand,
but decided for what ever reason not to do that and literally overnight
started attacking me on every forum he could get access to.
He has even created his own Yahoo forum with one member, him.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/SunBox/
Recognize the handles sunut07, ineedthemula, svzmrhydrogen, etc. All the
same guy.
Greg

Again let me stop here and show you exactly what validates this comment. Remember the product is called the 'Suncube' and it is Greg Watson's invention.

So please explain this business registration.

Entity Name = Solar Hydrogen Research Pty Ltd

Trading Name = Suncube Solar Systems Australia

Company Solar Hydrogen Research owned by Stephen Zorbas according to his website

Note the date of business registration, February 2007 precedes the initial attacks on the Sunball forum and Mudcat forum by both Keith Leech and Stephen Zorbas.

July 3 2007 10:47pm - Luckily some people understand which story is the honest one.

You will note and Greg has said it many times, he has not asked for a cent from any investor. He has claimed to have signed licence agreements and presumably received fees from licensees but I
cannot believe that, with the sums involved, licensees have not carried out due diligence to ensure the technology works and have secured their investments with watertight legal agreements.

July 11 2007 11:46pm - And now modus operandi. When people tire of this relentless criticism and personal attacks and the poster is banned. Create another handle.

15 July 2007 10:37pm - So Greg tries to get the CPV board back on track by helping with useful information.

And again on 14 Sep 2007 at 12:20am

Oct 22 2007 8:49pm - Keef starts to lose it

24 October 2007 8:28am - So now we must see to believe.

24 October 2007 8:28pm - OK more I don't believe anything you say stuff.

Oct 24 2007 11:16pm - And a response

Ok please look at the remaining posts yourself. The next angle which Keef tries to convince people of is some invention called the SMOT (remember this for later on) over-unity device which Greg Watson had invented, was a complete scam. This is despite Greg Watson already figuring out it did not work as well as he thought so he refunded all monies to any one who had purchased the device. Besides it was called a Toy for a reason, I guess. This board goes on and on with Keef trying to convince people Greg Watson is a con-man and selectively posts other correspondence Greg has written.
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/SunGrid/messages/965?l=1

OK its time to fast forward to earlier this year when Citron research chose to do a number of pieces on Emcore basing their main argument of credibility on Emcore by questioning the GGE contracts.

Firstly on March 18 Citron started with this which was predicated on someone elses hearsay about GGE.
Citron Research Shines some daylight on Emcores solar business
Followed up on 25 March
Citron Research Updates Emcore (NASDAQ:EMKR)

Keith Leech claims responsibility in this post on Mudcat a day after Lefts original article, post on March 25 on the Yahoo MB.
Citron Research then chose to do a few more articles on Emcore with GGE's licencees credibility as their main argument.
April 14 - Citron Exposes the 3 Way scheme Behind Emcore
May 21 – More Explanation of the Fraud at Emcore
June 4 – Emcore to become the Largest Solar Provider in Fantasyland
September 9 – Emcore – Nothing plus nothing = nothing

You really have to wonder how much effort Citron put into their research particularly reading exchanges like this as well.

Again it is time to stop here and examine a few of the claims which has led so many being convinced to dismiss GGE so easily.

According to GGE's website, its SunCube International Group (SCIG) partners are ES Systems , AC Gava , Square Engineering , Zolar Distributors and Solar Ace from Israel who are still in stealth mode.

Who is Square Engineering?

The key comes down to this post from Shraddha Constructions on the Energy blog.

To,
The Energy Blog

Reference :- As per web site.

Subject :- Enquiry regarding Modern Solar Tower Plant & Fund
arrangement for the same.
Dear Sir,
We have seen details of various solar tower plants on which were established by your company on E – Mail. We are thinking to established Solar Tower Plant of Capacity 11 KW. At. Latur District or in Osmanabad in Maharashtra State ( India ) . The details of the surrounding site are as given below.
Our Requirenment :-
i. Capacity of the Project :- 11 K.W.
ii. Tempreture At. Site :- 30 to 42 degree celcious 325
days in a year.Avg.- 30 above.
iii. Rainfall :- Menimun rainfall in the year.
iv. Sale of Power :- a) Capitive consumsuption
b) Third Party Sale
c) Power purchase agreement
execute for the period of
13 year.By Government in india
In view of above information you are requested to please furnished the Physibility , Project Report & other required data available with you of the above project ( With Cost and generating electricity capacity ). The required Finance for the above project if you are provided as well as we are interested in deal in India Jointely. So we will accept it & your terms & Conditions regarding of the finance please inform to us.
We are already established Windmill Project in Maharashtra (India ) & Karnataka State ( India ) details given in our Brief Note. The total amount invested in the Windmill Project around to Rs. 150 Crores out of which Rs. 100 Crores finance by our Bankers. We are interesting for taking the finance from your Company if your rate of interest is less than from our Bankers. The issue will be discuss in length during the actual meeting.
An early reply in the matter is highly appreciated .
Thanking you.
Yours faithfully
For Shraddha Constructions &
Power Generation Pvt.Ltd.
Shivaji B. Jadhav
(C.M.D.)
Our ID
Jadhav_shraddha@yahoo.co.in
Shraddhagroup_pune@yahoo.co.in
Shraddha_constructionspg@yahoo.co.in

If you look at the sign posted on the GGE website as the Suncube facility in India was being built, you will see the registered office of Square Engineering as Shraddha House.

So who are Shraddha Constructions which have the same registered address as Square Engineering?

Well firstly they have a contract to build a 21.25MW wind farm.

They also have a contract to build a USD$18.75M SOLAR project at Latur.

Latur have done quite extensive studies into CPV as per this document. Other Links

http://www.ircc.iitb.ac.in/~webadm/update/Issue1_2006/solar-concentrator.html
http://shraddhaconstruction.com/index.html
Shraddha

And note the addresses of Shraddha Power Generation and Square Engineering are the same.

ES Systems
I will not go into too much detail here apart from posting links to Druberts research into this company again.

Post on ES Systems

ES system was the former ATS solar - See page 59, same address, same company.

ATS solar was established 2002/2003. See http://www.iea-pvps.org/ar/ar04/kor.htm : "In 2003, five companies including one that started its operation at the end of 2002, produced about 2.29 MW of PV modules. This nearly tripled the previous year's production figure. This remarkable expansion of PV module production was due to the newly established company ATS Solar Co. This company produced about 1.4 MW PV modules with a production capacity of 3.0 MW. This production line is the largest one in Korea."

Or visit an old version of their website before they went quiet to develop this new technology.

http://www.essystem.kr/bemarket/shop/index.php?pageurl=viewpage&filename=sub_07
http://www.essystem.co.kr/
http://www.essystem.kr/bemarket/shop/index.php?pageurl=viewpage&filename=sub_06
http://72.32.29.22/solar_photovoltaics/terrestrial_concentrator_photovoltaic_arrays
http://www.flickr.com/photos/29964744@N05/show/

Confirmation of ES Systems production facilities by analysts

Cannacord and Jeffries

Korea is getting into solar in a big way with this 20MW Shinan project

and of course relative location of ES Systems is Gwanju City close to Shinan


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AC Gava

AC Gava have, until recently, been somewhat quiet about their developing CPV product lines. Aside from some information early on indicating an association with Sialsol there was little to go on. Although they had apparently responded to one of the investors of Emcore after a very short time.

But most recently, AC Gava have posted additional information on their website with one photograph showing a significant array integrated with standard flat plate technology of identical area. This is significant as if they have been able to collect comparitive operational data in this way, advantages or disadvantages of CPV vs Silicon PV will be able to be directly correlated and presented to prospective customers. In addition to this, Sialsol Inversiones Sostensibles, the distributor and investment partner with AC Gava, have been present at a number of CPV and CSP trade shows. In Madrid, Madrid, Seville, and will be attending in February in San Diego.

Keefs endgame

A few weeks ago, I posted a number of rather innocuous posts which Keef took the opportunity to try to attack my credibility. Of course this did not bother me as I trust the people that read whatever I post will make their own determination of where the truth lies. But unfortunately for Keef, it prompted me to reassess Keef's MO and to try to figure out what his endgame is. My posts are here Post 1 Post 2 Post 3 Post 4

As Keef has used Greg Watson's posts on message boards to attack his credibility, I could not understand why, with all the messages and history Greg had with the Joe Cell (and which some would consider a genuine scam), apart from one time, Keef has NEVER used anything from the Joe Cell MB. And there is a lot there as I have demonstrated above.

So this got me thinking that as I knew Keef had a business in the Lismore area, the Joe Cell inventors lived in Nimbin and Keef also lived on a commune, that maybe there is something there.

Remember this comment?
I am presently living on a multiple occupancy community with 70 plus members (no mains electricity available).
So a little more digging was in order.

First of all Keef did have a solar business, which was registered as Solartech Genius. After performing a Google search on solartechgenius two documents come to light indicating the business did in fact have a website. Solar Hot Water and Winter SunFact Sheet. Tracing back the way back machine we find the following pages:

Main page with Keith's email address

Some detail on the product range

It seems though in February of 2005, the companies main product supplier, Solco from Western Australia was acquired by another party and the distributorship for NSW was no longer an exclusive arrangement.

A very unfortunate occurrence, however a business one.

From here I guess Mr Leech began looking for alternative means of income.

Being within a short distance from Nimbin and living in a multiple occupancy community as exists almost exclusively in Nimbin, and having worked in the solar field and keen to continue to do so, it is not too great a stretch of the imagination to suggest that Keith may have known of the Rainbow Power Company, their Joe Cell invention and Solar business and been in contact with them.

So the next search then is on Leech and the Joe Cell and a very interesting hit came up. It seems a guy by the name of Andrew Leech from Floppy Sponge Automation had at some stage sent an email to Sterling (remember PesWiki, New Energy Congress) indicating an interest in the Joe Cell technology.

Andrew Leech (Reporter): Suspicious Deaths of Inventors in Australia

From: Andrew Leech
To: sterlingda@pureener gysystems. com
Sent: November 02, 2006
Subject: BJ Proton Cell

Hello, I'm Andrew Leech from Floppy Sponge Automation in Melbourne, Australia. I've been a keen experimenter in a number of energy areas for some time now, both privately and through FSA.
I'm especially interested in the Joe Cell and could help in a setting up a reliable demonstration model of the Proton Cell variant as well as helping to spread and promote the technology... [Deleted]...

I personally believe if we can have development undertaken relatively quietly through supportive channels such as PES Network, and produce a number of engines running this way privately, then distribute them quietly aver a large area (Colin at FSA has numerous contacts right across Australia, Malaysia and Taiwan), when it is announced publicly it will already be out there too widely to be hushed up. I've heard reliable confirmations of suspicious deaths on inventors in Australia, so don't want to take the threat lightly. If we can have a large group of replications all announced simultaneously we have a chance of getting around that threat... [Deleted]...

Regards,
Andrew Leech
Floppy Sponge Automation
12 Birch Ave Dandenong Nth,
Vic, Australia 3148
http://www.floppyspongeonline.com

Maybe an innocent post. But take note of the suggestion to Sterling to develop this Joe Cell technology with FSA and Peswiki "quietly" so no one knows what is going on. Also if we go back even further, we see Andrew and Floppy Sponge Automation have been doing some experiments with over-unity devices for the past few years, as well as working on hydrogen based ideas looking for 'free energy'. Here is a link to the relevant posts as otherwise you have to subscribe. I would suggest this is where a lot of the ideas for the attacks on Greg Watsons credibility originated.

So who are floppyspongeonline.com?

Seems they have been purchased by Sunseeker Energy from Hong Kong.

The registration of the Sunseekerenergy site comes up with these details.

Domain Name: SUNSEEKERENERGY.COM Created on: 17-Dec-06 Expires on: 17-Dec-11

Last Updated on: 14-Dec-08

Administrative Contact: Leech, Andrew andrew@aerga.com.au

AERGA Pty. Ltd 12 Birch Ave Dandenong, Victoria 3175 Australia 397959009


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I actually visited this address only a few days before Christmas to see if the Google streetview had changed or was out of date. Well it has not, this is exactly how the shop looks. Standing out the front were two guys in business attire who waited for about 10 minutes for another guy dressed in black casual clothes to come and let them in the building. As the front window is one way mirror, you cannot see what is going on inside, but it did seem awfully cloak and dagger as the two business guys did seem a little jumpy as I walked past.

So what is Sunseekerenergy? It seems they have an amazing new solar technology (Not the Joe Cell nor Overunity devices).

"Sunseeker has succeeded in magnifying the sun's energy onto a radically smaller, non-silicon photovoltaic cell. The combination of parabolic collector and inbuilt computerised sun tracking maximises solar energy collection in an active area less than one third of our flat panel competitors."

And their business model is to licence the technology out. You know like Green and Gold Energy. Now remember SZ had access to Greg Watson's preliminary design, business model and Non-Disclosure Agreement. And as there had been no definitive and certainly no professional contact between GGE and Keith Leech, how then did he come across this document as he posted here for the world to see?

Or even Keef's continual claims of Greg Watson being in this for the money seem to ring a little hollow when you read the MOU for the JV on the Suncube. Any Licencee by investing money in the enterprise also owns a stake in the master company and will eventually take control over from Greg Watson. Again how, if the only two-way dialog between Keith Leech and GW has been argumentative, did Keef obtain this documentation?

To gain an understanding of just how persistent these attacks are, you should consider the raft of ID's Keith Leech and what appear to be his co-conspirators have adopted. Try Madprofessor78, Raving Looney, Keefwivanef, Pigsarse, Blind.freddie, Keefballsofsteel, Roversbreath, Artu.Deetu, Inspectorrex, Nurseratchit, Psychowacker, Wackobananas, Gerryknight, Sickofthiscrap, Greedygoldenergy, Ener-curious – possibly SZ, harrytrotter, wizardsolar, Handy.Ghandi, WatsonPinnocio, Ivorbigone, Majorjohnthomas, Franklin.furter, Rocketsurgeon, Jose_Gava, Thedonkeydonald, Jamespark15, SenatorJoe, Nurseratchit, Nurseratdropping, Shonkeybusiness, totalgibberish. Quite a list for someone claiming to simply just trying to be honest and protecting 'innocent' investors by 'exposing' Greg Watson.

At this point I need to tell you I found myself with a personal dilemma. We have Stephen Zorbas who tells us he knows a fair bit about hydrogen and appears to have done some good work in the past (although it is mostly self promotion), an automation company based in Melbourne who at first look may have the capacity to roll this technology out and become a customer of Emcore and Andrew Leech who from his myspace page looks like he is smart, young and keen to take on the world and make a go of CPV technology.

So before doing anything, I decided to look a bit more at Sunseeker Energy, who they are, how legitimate their business is, how ethical or trustworthy they may be (despite the tactics above) and where are they going.

Firstly they are listing on the NZ stock exchange.

Secondly their corporate office is listed as Hong Kong with a telephone number of (852) 3188 5944

When I Googled the telephone number, I came up with another interesting hit of a company registered with the same address as Sunseekerenergy called Fieldway International Ltd.

This company promotes itself as offering Premium Socially Responsible Investment Opportunities. So maybe they might be OK?

So who are the owners of this company?

Bill Price is the President with businesses mainly based in the Phillipines.

So what else does Bill do?

Seems as well as 'socially responsible investment facilities', Bill also runs Sovereign Star international.

Sovereign Star International (SS) is a newly incorporated Hong Kong based company created for the sole purpose of identifying, purchasing, developing and operating gaming properties and facilities throughout South East Asia.

Also its General Manager, Graeme Green, is managing director of a recently delisted 'penny stock' on the Australian Stock Exchange called EC21 or ECSI Limited.

This has left me in a unenviable position, as we now have a company which on the surface looked like it was trying to do the right thing and yet by digging a little deeper, other business ventures directly contradict the humanitarian aims of the Fieldway International site. Certainly an environmental consciousness is something to be applauded, however is it not hypocritical when considering they are also actively engaged in the casino and gaming industry in developing nations as well as having what appear to be less than fully legitimate concern's listed on the ASX?

Further, how ethical is it to defame anothers reputation, the real inventor of the Suncube, some would consider an eccentric (but no more so than Sir James Dyson and his 5,127 bagless vacuum cleaner designs), steal his idea, and then proceed to endeavour to destroy him and a company such as Emcore who have no part of this? And how big a role has Citron Research played in all of this?

When one considers exactly who the players in this game of cat and mouse are, to do with a revolutionary or as the CPV Consortium likes to call it "Disruptive" solar technology, it must be something real for such effort to be put in to trying to discredit GGE and Emcore. The Joe Cell people, if they are involved in this, have had 15 years of trying to convince people their technology is real so they know all the angles. Which to me could explain why they have been so successful in convincing so many people that this is a scam if the master scammers are telling the tale.

Keef claims he has been trying to warn prospective investors of the dangers, but it certainly looks like the people Keef is associated with that appear to be unethical, dishonest, sneaky, money hungry or to sum it up 'scammers'. But there was one post that sealed the deal for me and it was this one directed at a woman by Keef.

Keef threatening a woman

tell me where you live, I come around there and bash the crap out of you. That's how it works. Have a nice Christmas.

In my opinion, those people investing in Emcore and Emcore itself are the innocent victims here, along with Greg Watson, who did nothing more than to try and spread the news and excitement about a genuine invention, which does in fact look like it will provide us with cheaper solar electricity in the long run.

Finally to ensure the correct people address this and properly investigate precisely what has been occurring, I have directed this in an email to the office of Anthony Albanese. Anthony is the current Australian Federal Minister for Infrastructure, Transport, Regional Development and Local Government, who back in January 2006 expressed support for the SunCube and frustration at the Howard governments lack of support for a renewable company in Australia.

And why did I post this at all instead of keeping quiet? Well would I trust anyone with my money who sold a possible fantasy product (Joe Cell) to people for 15 years, found out about a new solar technology, proceeded to steal it then destroy the reputation of the guy who had invented it. As well as attacking the company at the forefront of its scientific and commercial development. No way known would I trust a cent of my money to these people as they do not appear to have any ethics at all just know how to run what appears to be a complex scam.

But the main reason was in these circumstances, the end does not justify the means. And I am personally sick of a world where this is the case. Its time the 'good guys' won for a while.