Thanks all, plenty to follow up there. Jim Dixon: I wish google would return the same results for me as it obviously does for you, I tried googling "Do kippers swim folded or flat", got 3 pages of results, none of which link to your source. Mind you, when I came back here and searched the phrase this thread cropped up, I signed in and it no longer figured in the search engine... I hate internet search engines. Thanks Newport Boy, that's a few steps further on.
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