flora,I am king of the grumpys,im headlining as grump and the grumpys here there and everywhere,I raise money for every charity you can think of,all down to me!My photos are everywhere in the folk magazine,I rabbit on before and after my go about myself and how great and sought after I am and have ability to write some brilliant(!) songs ,how many points is that little lot worth,just 2,ok if I drag the song out for twice as long will it give me more points-wot just 1 now???All tongue in cheek I add but good debate going on!Yeah some songs could easily be trimmed down to a reasonable time,its only fair easpecialy at end of evening when most performers are just hoping for one more quick go.The guitar players somtimes waste time tuning up when it their go,I have seen these little gadgets they clip on and can tune silently before their go,but if its a singaround and playing and singing is purpose of evening can we have less chat and tuning up -heard a classic from an old fella while back under his breath "get on with the f%$£"! thing" That points system you suggested sounds right to me BUT you could be in breach of the laws if everyone joins in to gain your 10 points,no percussion or singing allowed (thats true!)at one venue I visited,sternly enforced as well!!!!I questioned where had all the audiences gone" in a post,does this debate hint at all I ask,pubs who have no or few customers always bleat on about"the economy" "the smoking ban" never the unenterprising landlords or ladys,yet other pubs do well,good food,event nights and FRIENDLY welcomes and goodnights,hope the folkys dont follow the former policy,well I got some grumpy mutterings for my bank today,keep up the debate boys and girls!