i remain quit queasy about the level of fascism in the palestinian leadership. hamas is an out right fascist poarty and abbas the supposed moderate did his phd on the protocols of the elders on zion as truth. he now says he did;t mean it, but its clear he was an open fascist. so as a result i will not support this palestinian leadership. however israel had the opportunity to stop the settlements on occupied territiory with the oslo accord, and actually agreed to stasrt the process of stopping settlements(the wording of which is full of weasle words) none the less they should have stopped those settlements twenty years ago at the very least and did not. so i can't suppport israel either. i would not get involved in any way.

as far at the recent motion in the un, i doubt it will make much real difference and israle may say that all adhera=ence to the oslo accodrds is now in breach and increase the settlements.

clearly palestinians need a country but i do not think nthis resolution is going to aid that at all

as for the us and uk involvement both clearly comtributed to the establishment of the israeli state. nothing would have happened without the balfour declaration. america had armed and paid for israel . if do wonder why, but the military capitalists are not always logical, except in that war makes the rich among the military capitalists much richer. and that may be it. the united kingdom has made war in every corener of the globe and their elite made fortunes from it. and americans are catching up fast on a permanent war economy. i don't think that stragety will work any more in the long run but they have not adjusted. american foreign military might doesn't make money like the old british colonies once did, so america is making money on the war industries but the governemnt is stuck with paying for the expense of a world wide military reach.

either american will have to cut back two thirds of their world wde military bases or go bankrupt. the alternate would be to make money from the places where they have military involvement. a new resource and land empire? seems inlikely . but the right in america may go that route rather than give up the world wide military nonsense.

they would have been better off returning to a modified isolationism at the end of the cold war. sigh but not likely now/