I'll give Keith that one.

At the rectory in Epworth, there is a section saying Charles Wesley was a pacifist. I suppose even he used metaphor then.

Like most things however, clever people using metaphor that is taken literally by people of more shallow intelligence doesn't make the metaphor so clever after all.

Hence pete taking the big book of fairy stories to be physically true or when Keith picked up on a song I had a hand in writing taking the piss out of homophobia, trying to tell everybody on Mudcat it was face value rather than farce value.

This thread, as ever, can't ever reach consensus whilst ever normal people are persecuting the little baby Jesus eh? Don't worry, if everybody was having a pop at Sheffield Wednesday I'd be up there resisting any logical stance that offended my faith.

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