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GUEST,Robert B. Waltz Lyr Add: 'Judas' (Child 23?) by John Jacob Niles (38) RE: Lyr Add: 'Judas' (Child 23?) by John Jacob Niles 22 Mar 23


Steve Gardham wrote:

Whilst not impossible, Leeneia, with Niles's reputation and other odd doctored ballads, do you really think this likely?

I would add another point. While this chain of events is possible, it's not really relevant. A version of "Judas" that is revived, heavily rewritten, and set to a new tune is not Child #23; it is a new song inspired by Child #23. It is possible that it was traditional at some college, of course.

What's more, "Mayberry Thomas" is described as a "yarb doctor," not someone who had learned songs in college. So even if the above reconstruction is true (that is, that JJN collected a song based on a traditional song which had become traditional in its own right), JJN still appears to have given false information about it.


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