Dear Mousie,

Truth of the matter, MAV, is that you really don't know what I believe. I tried to tell you this once but you rudely told me I was wrong

No, (I'm sorry) I told you I knew what you felt.(I know how you're feeling about this comment).

I believe what I believe on a number of issues. On some things I am considered by those left-of-center to be a flaming Fascist.

As far as we (American conservatives)are concerned, fascist, marxist, stalinist, whatever, all authoritarianism is the domain of the left.

On others I am considered by those right-of-center to be a marxist, or worse

Like I said, all authoritarianism is of the left.

In fact I don't believe in the platform of any party in this country, nor am I a member of any party. I don't march to any party line

Well ain't you sumthin'. You may have a few patriotic brain cells, but my guess is that you are waaaaaay over there <-!!!!

Well, I know what my principles are and they are always the same. By now I should think you would know too.

Your use of the term "us" here makes me think you do

Yeah, I guess you could say I'm pro-life libertarian-type Republican(I'm sorry)

We can both play the "imagine YOU telling someone they're being rude!" game until the cows came home. Fact is you have alienated a huge number of people on this list by your brusque manner and rudeness

Look, except in my salutations, calling you specifically Thief, Ratnapper, Abductor of diseased laboratory rodents and other silly tortured versions of your screen name, I HAVE NOT CALLED YOU OR ANYONE ELSE, A MORON, IDIOT OR ANY VULGAR NAME OR USED "SCATOLOGICAL" REFERENCES LIKE YOU HAVE!

If those people have been bashing conservatives they deserve to be "alienated", if they are self professed enemies of the Constitution....I'm sorry.

I'm so sorry I call it like I see it and if referring to political activist groups in terms which may be less than flattering...TOO BLEEPING BAD!......GET OVER IT!

How do you explain all the PMs I've gotten from people thanking me for standing up for them and defending their point of view??????(sorry)

I have not. In the few cases where I really got under somebody's collar, I have done what I could to find out where I goofed up, and apologized

Oh, really? What do you think is the reason for my coming here in the first place? The (fascist) demonization and vilification of conservatives and their ideology (as though they don't have the right to live) was going on long before I got here and still is.(sorry for living)

On the other hand I have given up ever expecting you to apologize for the things you have done which I found unspeakably rude and offensive

If I speak my mind you will surely find everything I (and many other conservatives) say to be offensive. That indicates to me I'm right on target.

even though I have pointed them out and asked for an apology

You and I both agree the Chinese don't deserve an apology. I submit to you in kind that it is you who should be apologizing to me and others for your nefarious namecalling, perpetual putdowns and (sorry) cocky condescension.

You continue to be rude to me at every turn, even in threads where you are talking about treating me with respect and expecting the same in return and all that rot. Apparently a leopard CAN'T change its spots. Don't expect me to hold my heart in my hands waiting for you to be nice. I wipe my feet.

OH QUIT YOUR BLEEPING WHINING!!!.........GOOD GRIEF!!!

You don't deserve an apology. You're a vulgar, petty little man (I assume). You can dish it out but you can't take it. Can you???

It is not a "spy plane" and it drives me nuts when the press has been calling it such. If they can't tell the difference between spying and surveillance, they should get jobs at the local Cinemaplex or something.

What?

Which word here is bothering you?

NONE!...The fact that YOU wrote them at all leaves me speechless.

I could define them all for you, but that's a horrible waste of time for me, and quite dull. I suggest you go to an online dictionary like www.m-w.com and look them up yourself

ad hominem suggesting my stupidity (sorry for all stupidity).

"HUH?"

These words are even smaller. Where did you go to school?

Nebraska. Do you want to demonize the whole state? (no blue spots there incidently)

Oh, by the way, I stand corrected; I had somewhere picked up the idea it was 23 men and 1 woman, whereas it was 21 men and 3 women. Thus the above should read "boys and girls"

Whatever, I think "heroic men and women" would be more appropriate.

If we have any wild space left in this country in 4 years, it certainly won't be because Bush hasn't tried to (allow his Corporate sponsors to) rape, pave, or drill it.

"Looks like most of the raping and drilling in the last eight years has been in the White House"(that was a good one you have to admit)

Again your usual (boring) tactic of not answering the issue, but dragging in something totally unrelated

Ok, I'll address your stupid comments, not that you are stupid , just the premise of your multiple negative stupid (sorry) incorrect assertions (lies) that:

A.Bush was supported mostly by big business.
You can look at his full disclosure on the internet and see that his support came mostly from private individuals averaging around $500.

B. He plans to destroy the interior of the US.

If we as a nation demand a certain level of energy consumption, then we should be willing to obtain it from our own resources in the newest cleanest technology methods available to us. The hypocrisy of letting third world, lower tech. nations ruin their environment (out of sight, out of mind) for our benefit is just unfathomable. Besides, many of them hate our guts, they can keep their oil.

Most of your environmental damage comes not from drilling and pipelines, but from the environmentalist's favorite vehicle...SUPERTANKERS

We will have an energy policy soon, something we have not had for at least eight years.

Apparently my going through your posts point-by-point impresses you (you said I was getting less offensive and more argumentative)

Well yeah. It sure beats your backstabbing me while posting to another mudcatter.

but it's all the same old shinola so it hardly seems worth the time to go through it point-by-point

Well maybe you should check the chronological sequence of the posts, perhaps I felt more generous as the evening went on. I still don't like being called names.

Still, if that's what it takes, I'll do my part

Good, at least that way we can engage in the same manner as skeptic and I do.

You arch-conservatives are too funny. You want to lump everybody to your left into a huge cesspool, and complain if we don't give your side any credit, while all the while not giving our side any credit at all

You put yourselves in that "cesspool" when you defended the perjurous pervert (complete with Larry Flynt)

Give them credit for what? I have said the democrats' environmental progress in clean rivers and air was commendable. Are you saying all Republicans always voted against every enviro-bill?

The main reason cLINTON got good job approval poll numbers was because he signed GOP initiatives and took credit for it. (The Contract With America etc.)

The only thing the lefties have done in the last eight years is drag their feet and "practice the politics of personal destruction". Oh yeah, the democRATS defended the criminal x42 to the very end where he DEFECATED on them ONE LAST TIME!

saying asinine things like "anything the democrats do must be wrong."

Well, given that they've been in power for the last 40 years, consider that they caused the power shortage mess in California and that our petroleum production and refining capability is largely dependent on offshore facilities thanks to them. We are totally vulnerable in this respect.

Jesse, Maxine and Queasey (all democRATs) get a big thank you for the race baiting mess in Cincinatti and other cities in the upcoming hot horro-summer.

The fact that the schools are not producing intelligent students despite the zillions of dollars thrown at them and the amount stolen by the Dept of Education (a Carter {notice I capitalized it} giveaway to the teacher's unions)

The current cLINTON Recession, which can be largely attributed to the cLINTON administration's unrelenting attack on the private sector (MS etc).

The sale of the complete nuclear top secret and missile launching and guidance technology, advancing COMMUNIST China 35 years beyond where they were just eight short years ago, coupled with cLINTON and algor both taking money from your buddies Red China.

I can go on, I KNOW HOW YOU FEEL so I won't(sorry).

So much so that when we (the people to your left)

AHA!!! WE????? GOTCHA!!!!!!

The term "democRAT" is only a shroud, a catch-all title for all the LSCs and other thinly veiled anti-Constitutional and anti-family groups reveling in the freedom they would deny others and completely destroy if left unchecked.

(when we) agree with you on ANYTHING it takes your vocabulary away

Yeah, I have to admit that it does, but I could get used to it(see tax cut).

We're obviously not as narrow-minded as you are

There you go again with another attack. Our believing in the Constitutionally LIMITED FEDERAL GOVERNMENT does not make us narrow minded, just able to read the founding documents

Bonus question: How many Democrats broke ranks in the last vote in the Senate?

Assuming you're talking about the Tax Cut vote, I don't know, quite a few I guess.

How many Republicans?

Probably 3, Jeffords, Chaffee and Specter. I'd rather have Jiang, Castro and Gorbechev than those three (sorry)bastards, see what you can do for us.

Answer: far more D's than R's. Who's following the party line?

Thank God we are, it's about time. If we can't agree on this one we might as well just kill ourselves.

Who has marching orders?

Well, "The Boss" DID run on a tax cut, what the hell do you expect?

Bush's getting anything passed in a 50-50 Senate is proof positive that the Democrats are less party-conscious than the Republicans. Spin that.

I don't spin, we don't have to lie and I resent your implication that W does. Just because your side does it with impunity doesn't mean "everyone does it" (one of your childish self justifying tenents).

What "Bush's getting anything passed in a 50-50 Senate" demonstrates; is that despite his detractors, the GOP lieberals (including the above, Snowe and Collins) the democRATs realize the cLINTON legacy is the loss of both houses of Congress, the Presidency and a majority of state governments.(sorry)

It also bears out the truth of Robert Reich's assertion that "THE DEMOCRAT PARTY IS DEAD!...bereft of ideas.

The congressional democRATs can read the opinion polls too, realizing that the GOP is offering the public what they want. They know that if they want to get re-elected, they had better "get with the program".

I can see why you would distance yourself from the discredited democRATs because you know I'm right about corrupt criminal cLINTON and the memory of the house democRATs defending him tooth and nail, refusing to view evidence, fingers in ears going NA, NA, NA, just so they wouldn't have to hear the truth, standing on the White House lawn after impeachment....well, you know I get it.

YOU HAVE NO WHERE ELSE TO GO!!!

If you are a Naderite, thanks for the help.

If you are a Brigadeer, thanks for the help.

If you want to be buddies, stop calling names. We'll probably never agree , but Hey!...this is the USA!

mav out