DougR, I find this to be a very interesting thread with many points, and I'd like to hear the voice of the other side participate. Unfortunately, you're not participating in the discussion, tactfully critcizing, but simply attacking. Nothing gets accomplished... the trasnsferring and analyzing of ideas gets lost and turned into rationalization. It's everything wrong with thought in this nation... I also feel like there is much rationalization in your own thinking. You see what is written and dismiss it as liberal nonsense, or at least that's the feeling I get, and stop only to consider why we are wrong. In turn, I read your arguments and they sound like angry republican dismissals. Why do you even bother reading or posting on the board then? If your mind is closed and your writing closes others... it's like 2 walls throwing bricks at each other...