Good idea to refresh this one Wesley,especially with the 'father'one running too. It's amazing how we can learn from our parents without even knowing it most of the time. I was adopted by my birth mother's brother and his wife but was always so much closer to him. My "Mum" as I called her was never much interested in me or in what I did. She was, of course, handy with her slaps,but then again her mother,who had thirteen children!! was more than handy too. She [my nana]came from quite a violent family life. Her husband was a violent man. Having said that, I have always envied the close relationship many people had/have with their mothers.I realize I'm rambling and even though 'Mum' is dead, it's still a very raw tip of the ice berg.

Doc