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BS: Coffee hurts

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A PROPER CUP OF COFFEE
I'D RATHER MAKE COFFEE THAN LOVE
MAKIN' COFFEE

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olddude 24 Oct 11 - 11:34 AM
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Subject: BS: Coffee hurts
From: olddude
Date: 24 Oct 11 - 11:34 AM

Got my strong gas station coffee .. took a big drink .. burned the bumps off my tongue. Why the hell is it so friggin hot all the time. Do they use a blow torch on the stuff or what ...

ya can melt steel with the stuff

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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee hurts
From: pdq
Date: 24 Oct 11 - 11:36 AM

Sue.

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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee hurts
From: Bill D
Date: 24 Oct 11 - 11:39 AM

I never, ever trust coffee I didn't make myself. Small, delicate sip till I am sure.

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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee hurts
From: kendall
Date: 24 Oct 11 - 11:52 AM

Good coffee must be made with very hot water.

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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee hurts
From: olddude
Date: 24 Oct 11 - 11:53 AM

Ya Bill you are right normally what I do also ... but sometimes I get a brain fart and then problems occur :-)

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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee hurts
From: SINSULL
Date: 24 Oct 11 - 12:11 PM

I agree, Dan. Sue. But good coffee has to be made with boiling hot water.
If you like, I will assemble the Groupies and have them kiss your boo boo.
What do you think?
M

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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee hurts
From: Bettynh
Date: 24 Oct 11 - 12:33 PM

In the car, I always go for an iced coffee with no ice at the drivethru. It might be room temp or sorta cold, but it won't burn you. Also comes with a lid and straw, so I'm less likely to spill it or turn away from driving to drink it. Since it's made to go over ice, it'll be strong.

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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee hurts
From: olddude
Date: 24 Oct 11 - 12:36 PM

can't stop laughing Mary ... thank you ...

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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee hurts
From: GUEST
Date: 24 Oct 11 - 12:56 PM

I reckon boiling hot water makes good coffee. For great coffee you need steam.

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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee hurts
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 24 Oct 11 - 01:17 PM

olddude, was it in a polystyrene or paper cup? If so, they insulate the heat too well. A china cup cools it faster. I always add loads of milk to a coffee, and blow on it for a few seconds. It really does hurt when you burn your mouth!

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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee hurts
From: olddude
Date: 24 Oct 11 - 01:22 PM

polystyrene cup ... you are right

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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee hurts
From: Will Fly
Date: 24 Oct 11 - 01:32 PM

The Speciality Coffee ~Association of America recommends~:

For coffee brewing, the Specialty Coffee Association of America (SCAA) prescribes a water temperature of 92 - 96 degrees C (195 - 205 degrees F)

That's not hot.

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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee hurts
From: GUEST,999
Date: 24 Oct 11 - 01:40 PM

Well, don't be putting your pecker in it.

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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee hurts
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 24 Oct 11 - 01:43 PM

I often worry about people walking to their seats in, say, MacDonald's, carrying boiling hot tea or coffee, with little ones running about. Someone could so easily get scalded. I once read that even twenty minutes after you make the tea, it can scald.

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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee hurts
From: Don Firth
Date: 24 Oct 11 - 01:46 PM

Hey! Wild, bizarre notion! So good, I'm going to patent it!
1. Do NOT take a big gulp of a fresh cup of coffee.
2. Raise cup to lips, but don't drink yet. You can feel the heat radiating from the coffee and that will give you a notion of how hot it is.
3. Be patient. Let it sit for a few minutes and check it again.

(Patent pending)
As people above have said. For a decent cup of coffee, the water has to be VERY hot when it hits the coffee.

And--an old Swedish fellow I knew taught me how to make a cup of instant coffee that is indistiguishable from fresh-brewed:

Coffee powder (teaspoon, heaping, rounded, or level, depending on size of cup and to taste) in cup, ready to go. Wait for the water to come to a boil. Take kettle off stove and pour boiling water into cup immediately. Stir until thoroughly mixed. Let stand long enough to cool to a drinkable temperature.

Don Firth

P. S. Coffee that the kid in the paper hat throws out the drive-by window at passing cars is almost invariably piping hot--because people will kvetch at them if it's NOT hot.

(And then, of course, they'll manage to dump it in their laps, then sue the drive-in!)

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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee hurts
From: Will Fly
Date: 24 Oct 11 - 02:01 PM

Hows about this one:

If coffee is brewed for too long it will taste bitter. The best level of extraction of coffee is 20% of the solids in the grind. This is achieved by keeping the brew water temperature between 88°C and 93°C. If the temperature of the water is too low, underextraction will occur and the coffee will be too weak. Underextraction will cause the coffee to have a sour flavor, since the acids from the beans are the first substances to dissolve. If the brew water temperature is too high then over extraction will occur and the coffee will taste bitter.

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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee hurts
From: Q (Frank Staplin)
Date: 24 Oct 11 - 03:12 PM

Coffee powder????
Milk????
Two sure recipes for bad coffee!

In Calgary, water boils at 206 F. (3500 feet)
In Santa Fe, my home town, at 7000 feet, water boils at 199 F.
Dunno what these temperatures would equate to when compared to SCAA recommendations (see Will fly, above).

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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee hurts
From: gnu
Date: 24 Oct 11 - 03:47 PM

I assume one would have to compensate for elevation as the science of brewing coffee surely must be standardized at sea level. No? Otherwise... mayhem!

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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee hurts
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 24 Oct 11 - 06:59 PM

Coffee is hot? Tea is hot? Ice is cold? Water is wet? Well goodness gracious me.

Some expressions about bears and the pope come to mind.

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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee hurts
From: Deckman
Date: 24 Oct 11 - 10:18 PM

I was 5 (yes FIVE) years of age when my Finnish father introduced me to coffee, as HIS father had done for him at age five.

Weeks before my birthday, Dad started preparing me for the ritual. That morning, we got in his truck and drove an hour north of our home to Ballard. This is famous neighborhood in Seattle that contains many peoples of the Nordic races.

He'd made a phone call and we were expected. The shop owner opened early just for us, and locked the door behind. Then "WE" picked out my own special (first) coffee cup (kavi kuppa).

When we got back home, Dad brewed a pot of coffee filled my cup half full of milk, then some sugar, and that wonderful ambrosia called "coffee."

All my years until I left home, the ritual of Dad and I having several pots of coffee together every morning were the very best days of my life.

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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee hurts
From: Ron Davies
Date: 24 Oct 11 - 10:22 PM

I thought this was the followup to "Love Hurts".   Didn't sell as well though.

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Subject: More memories of coffee
From: Crowhugger
Date: 24 Oct 11 - 11:00 PM

Many years ago a restaurant where I worked had its coffee-maker thermostats set to 185F and the warmers to a slightly higher maximum temperature. We had fabulous coffee! That's with pretty soft water (Lake Ontario). The hardness of the water affects coffee's flavour; dissolved minerals react with acids which creates new and unexpected tastes while removing some of the expected ones. Back then we were told that the best coffee is made with water that's been suitably heated but never boiled so it still contains the dissolved gases which are removed by boiling (being part of the reason you need to boil water for good tea). I don't much enjoy coffee made with boiled water and I truly dislike it made with steam, both being too bitter for my tastes. But also consider the source: I don't like dark roasts either, too bitter.

Since leaving the restaurant business I mostly stick to (hot) tea; I find it's much easier to make a good cuppa. Nowadays I find coffee is a marvellous incense but never tastes as good as it the aroma promises.

Gnu I think you're right. There is an elevation above which yummy coffee can't be made without a pressure cooker because the water won't get hot enough without one.

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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee hurts
From: GUEST,999
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 02:20 AM

Crowhugger, you have just answered a question I've had in my head for years. Many thanks.

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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee hurts
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 06:15 AM

Had an excellent espresso in Canterbury yesterday for £1.10p - not at Costa I might add!!

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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee hurts
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 08:23 AM

The water in Bristol is quite hard so coffee made with boiling water tends to spoil the taste. Tea on the other hand has to infuse with boiling water to make a good brew but not left too long for it to stew.

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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee hurts
From: LilyFestre
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 01:38 PM

I wanna be in that Groupie line-up for kisses please!!!!!

We just got a new gas station in our little town and they have GREAT coffee!!!! And yep...scalding hot...have to wait 20 minutes or so to drink it!

Michelle, a Dan Groupie for sure!!!

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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee hurts
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 02:04 PM

Patsy, before I retired, I used to buy huge containers of bottled water and use it to make tea. Norfolk water is hard, and the tea used to taste excellent with the softer bottled stuff. But it's too much to pay now, and too heavy to transport. Our tap water is perfectly adequate, but for tea and coffee, the softer water is better!

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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee hurts
From: Bobert
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 02:09 PM

I always allow coffee I don't brew myself to sit a few minutes... That way, no burns...

Sorry, Ol-ster, that you got burned...

B~

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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee hurts
From: olddude
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 03:07 PM

I got burned cause well I am an idiot. I drink tons of coffee and know better. I was just in a hurry that's all ... always a mistake LOL

Michelle
I am a big groupie of you and Mary also

:-)

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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee hurts
From: Crowhugger
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 09:04 PM

999, what was the question I answered?

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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee hurts
From: gnu
Date: 25 Oct 11 - 09:23 PM

He's gonna hafta go back and read the posts... might take a while... >;-) hehehehehee.... sorry bud, but I had ta eh?

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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee hurts
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 26 Oct 11 - 05:43 AM

Eliza I have made cuppas with bottled water and it does make a difference but as you say it is too heavy to carry along with everything else and costs too much to use each time. I suppose the answer would be a water filter jug but I am skeptical about them do they really work?

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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee hurts
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 26 Oct 11 - 05:51 AM

Hello Patsy! My late friend used to have a Brita filter jug thing, but I'm not sure I'd get one. I read that the filters need changing very frequently, as they grow bacteria in them. I've taken to putting two teabags in the mug to get a decent brew, which I suppose is even more expensive. Another friend has a water softener plumbed in, but my finances don't run to that. My old mum used to say that hard water is good for you. (Don't know if it's true, it might cause kidney stones!)

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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee hurts
From: Allan C.
Date: 26 Oct 11 - 06:17 AM

Some places where coffee is served to the masses use huge "boilers" (at least, that's what I've always called them,) which are actually oversize percolators. You know the ones. They always have the sight glass on the front that shows the current level. Besides delivering mediocre horrid coffee, they also can be tapped while the coffee is brewing. At that time, the temperature is at its hottest. It could be that the coffee that burned you was extracted from one of these monsters. Even if the brewing was completed just before your cup was poured, the coffee would likely be much hotter than the temperature normally maintained by the machine.

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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee hurts
From: olddude
Date: 26 Oct 11 - 11:44 AM

Eliza
I have one of those office water cooler bubbler things here at home. The doc told my missus she needed to drink lots of water when she did the chemo. You know I actually save money compared to the brita thing that use to clog up all the time or the water bottles. What is great is the cooler thing gives you both cold and hot water. I get the big bottles delivered. Our water here is from Lake Erie (no thanks) I will drink the bubbler thing. They guarantee it is pure.

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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee hurts
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 26 Oct 11 - 12:00 PM

olddude, in 1967, I visited Canada for Expo'67 in Montreal, and then travelled to Toronto. I actually SWAM in Lake Erie!! I bet I wouldn't do it today! The water at my aunt's house in London Ontario was very, very hard and chlorinated.
Very good idea about the water dispenser. Our Doctor's surgery has one, and as you say, the water is very pure.

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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee hurts
From: gnu
Date: 26 Oct 11 - 08:27 PM

I swam in Lake Erie around 1964 and couldn't see my extended hand... and I was about 7 years old.

Maybe that's what happened?

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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee hurts
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 27 Oct 11 - 09:28 AM

gnu, if only you'd swum in L. Erie in 1967, we may have met! But if the water was THAT murky, we'd have passed like ships in the night! (I don't seem to remember the water being dirty, but I do remember my uncle saying it wasn't a good idea at the time!) Swam in every Lake that year, and stayed with lovely lovely Canadian people in various cabins on the shores. I was only young, and everyone was so kind and welcoming. Was tempted to emigrate, as my uncle and aunt had done, but eventually decided to stay in UK.

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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee hurts
From: saulgoldie
Date: 27 Oct 11 - 10:03 AM

Doesn't look like anyone has posted this yet...

http://www.hotcoffeethemovie.com/Default.asp


Saul

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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee hurts
From: Uncle_DaveO
Date: 28 Oct 11 - 06:39 PM

GUEST,Eliza said:

My old mum used to say that hard water is good for you. (Don't know if it's true, it might cause kidney stones!)

Eliza, statistical studies show that populations in areas with naturally very SOFT water have a significantly higher rate of
hardening of the arteries. These findings came out in the middle 1950s.

About that time, my grandfather, then in his mid 80s, was hospitalized for what boils down to hardening of the arteries, and one of his legs had to be amputated. He must have had some involvement of that in his brain, too, because he was somewhat out of his head.

My aunt Lucille, who worked at the Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota (my home town), when in his hospital room along with other family, thinking Grandpa was unconscious at the time, discussed these findings, which had just been published, in his presence.

Evidently my Grandpa was listening, playing possum at the time, and was confused about what he overheard. He thereafter steadfastly refused to drink water, because "it had poison in it", as he said when more or less conscious. He had evidently mistakenly processed Aunt Lucille's account of the hard and soft water findings.

Your old mum wasn't so very far off the facts.

Dave Oesterreich

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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee hurts
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 28 Oct 11 - 11:55 PM

When we had a water-softener fitted in our hard-water area, on medical advice we omitted the kitchen cold tap from its circulation to provide drinking water ~~ which we also use for tea & coffee on the same principle.

~M~

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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee hurts
From: GUEST,Eliza
Date: 29 Oct 11 - 06:08 AM

Fascinating! Well, I shall just stick to my hard old tapwater then, and continue to put TWO teabags in the mug!

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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee hurts
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 29 Oct 11 - 06:30 AM

Are we the only people left in the world who prefer [when we can get it, when we can't always because of the fact that we seem to be, if you see what I mean] to make tea with loose tealeaves in a warmed pot, left to stand for 4 minutes? V interesting to blend, too. Darjeeling/Assam; EarlGrey/LapsangSouchong... No harm microwaving what remains in the pot, so no wastage. We use one of those pots with built-in removable strainer which we take out when tea is brewed, to obviate 'stewing'.

~M~

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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee hurts
From: YorkshireYankee
Date: 29 Oct 11 - 11:45 AM

Saulgoldie -- great link! Hope this documentary comes to the UK!

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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee hurts
From: Stringsinger
Date: 29 Oct 11 - 11:47 AM

Caffeine is a drug and addiction is rampant worldwide.

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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee hurts
From: GUEST,saulgoldie
Date: 30 Oct 11 - 08:42 AM

SS,
Admittedly. I don't know what I would do without my morning dose, and another one in the middle of the day. However, as drugs go it is more benign than some others, not the least of which is alcohol, quite possibly the most destructive of all.

Saul

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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee hurts
From: Paul Burke
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 02:08 PM

Coffee hurts all right-, especially if taken this way. If you must try it, remember to cool it first.

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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee hurts
From: BTNG
Date: 01 Nov 11 - 02:12 PM

thanks for that cautionary tale Paul, though I must admit I did wonder if she used instant or perced....sorry ;-)

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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee hurts
From: GUEST,Patsy
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 09:12 AM

Talking of teapots my Grandmother used a china teapot and my mother had a metal one. I preferred the taste of loose tea brewed in the china one but liked the fact that tea stayed hotter for longer in the metal one. The microwave wasn't around then so it was a case of nagging people not to let their tea go cold.

The other thing is milk or tea in the cup first? I have always measured out the amount of milk first but some people say that tea should be poured first then the milk added after.

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Subject: RE: BS: Coffee hurts
From: MGM·Lion
Date: 02 Nov 11 - 09:30 AM

Tea is much better WITHOUT MILK. Try it for a bit, and honestly you will find it is so.

Or sugar.

In fact, I happen to like tea!

~M~

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