Subject: RE: BS: Genocide in New Orleans From: John Hardly Date: 06 Sep 05 - 06:27 PM "But while it is possible (if you really try) to come up with some kind of explanations and half-excuses for the evacuation failure, and at least some of those staying behind did it of their own volition, the failure to respond quickly and adequately after the disaster is incomprehensible and completely inexcusable." And isn't that funny? (funny "peculiar", not funny "ha ha" to quote Radar O'Reilly)... Your first paragraph outlines what, to me should be the major issue. If people had followed the Comprehensive Emergency Plan that is laid out in black and white -- clearly delineating, to the finest detail, exactly how an evacuation should occur -- who is responsible for calling for one, what the means are of executing one -- there would not have been the human disaster that it became. That is just the black and white of it. The local officials were to instigate AND provide the means for the evacution to those who had no means. It isn't a subject for monday morning quarterbacking -- that is how it was supposed to occur. The local officials called for an evacuation, but then acted as though it was not their resposibility to execute it. Plain and simple. And had they executed it, there would not be the huge human tragedy story. But if one were to read the mudcat as a news source (ouch), one would get the idea that the evacuation was the duty of the federal government. It is not. It cannot be. The federal government cannot be ultimate responsible to oversee the evacuation of every local municipality that might need to be evacuated. Where you live is no bigger than some of our States. We have a southern coastline that a hurricane can hit anywhere for thousands of miles. We have hundreds of midwestern cities and towns at risk for tornados and earthquakes (the "big one" in our history was not in CA, but rather, in the midwest), and we have California hanging off our edge, a foot-fault away from a love match with the Pacific. No doubt the federal government did not respond fast enough when the local governments dropped the ball so incredibly -- I mean so incredibly -- but they also had to respond to the hurricane all along 100+miles of coastline AND they had to respond to an altogether different, and chronologically sequential, but different catastrophe -- the breach of the levies. And yet you see your way clear to excusing the actual cause of the human disaster, but can't see any logistical complexity that might have made any of the delayed response time possible? You can only excuse the actual culprits, but cannot excuse the bumbling rescuers? hmmmmmm. |
Subject: RE: BS: Genocide in New Orleans From: CarolC Date: 06 Sep 05 - 06:32 PM They were having to deal with reality, John. The reality is that they didn't have the resources to do it. They said they didn't have the resources to do it. That's reality. The other aspect of reality is that FEMA was charged with the responsibility of taking up the slack for anything that the local governments didn't have the resources to deal with. That's the job of FEMA. That's why it exists. That's reality. The idea that the local governments could have done better with the resources they had available to them, and the idea that the federal government and FEMA did not have any obligation or responsibility in this situation is fantasy. Not reality. |
Subject: RE: BS: Genocide in New Orleans From: Peace Date: 06 Sep 05 - 06:34 PM Blanco ask for Federal aid back on August 27, 2005. |
Subject: RE: BS: Genocide in New Orleans From: GUEST,Napalm Date: 06 Sep 05 - 10:07 PM Local is always the frontline to any disaster and should bear as much blame as the government for failure and lack of planning. Telling everyone to go to a stadium to await for federal aid is passing the buck. This would never happen in NYC. The buck would not be passed because it stops here with all our first responders and OEM services. To depend on President-Commander Coo-koo Bananas and his is sheer insanity. |
Subject: RE: BS: Genocide in New Orleans From: dianavan Date: 07 Sep 05 - 12:09 AM Here is an article that claims that FEMA has been made inoperative by the newly created Dept. of Homeland Security. Funds that would have normally been available for the operation of FEMA were diverted to cover the "war on terrorism". http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2005/3235fema_ruined.html |
Subject: BS: ONLY Whites Deny Katrina Response Racism From: kirstenanderberg Date: 07 Sep 05 - 01:44 AM Only Whites Claim Katrina's Poor Response is NOT Racist By Kirsten Anderberg (www.kirstenanderberg.com) I have not seen one person of color, anywhere, on any news broadcast, on any TV special, in any print article, even on the streets themselves, saying that the response to Katrina in New Orleans had "nothing to do with race." The mere fact that the ONLY people saying that are white says it all to me. Last night, I saw the Mayor of Houston whose name is ironically "Mr. White" pooh-poohing the racist part of this wholly. There is something totally obnoxious about this white mayor of Houston, saying it is "divisive" to try to address race in the Katrina response. Indeed, white boy President Bush said that any mention of this massacre in New Orleans being racially driven is merely a "political agenda" put out there by his opponents. I am sure Bush is scrambling to find some black faces to publicly deny the racist part of this, and that is why we have Condi Rice around. For times like these. You can tell just how racist this country is, by how many white men are working round the clock to pooh-pooh what is obvious to the world at this point. Yesterday morning, Sept. 2, 2005, I went out and wrote "Stop the genocide in New Orleans NOW! Impeach GWBush" in chalk on sidewalks near my house. I found it wildly interesting that as I was writing one of these, a white male in his 20's came up and said "If you were not a woman, I would beat the sh*t out of you right now." I said, "Why, for writing this in chalk?" He said "You are so ignorant. You do not even know what genocide is." I said, "Excuse me sir, I have a degree in political science from the University of Washington and also have successfully passed all my prerequisites in law school, and I am well aware of what the word genocide means." I quoted the Webster Collegiate Dictionary definition: "the deliberate and systematic destruction of a racial, political, or cultural group." It was as if steam began coming out his ears at this, he puffed his chest, and began to stand in a physically threatening manner close to me. I said, "You know, I am twice you size. And I can be absolutely crazy if you push me. Just know you may endanger yourself physically if you touch me." He left with his legs between his tail, but why did a white male want to BEAT ME for saying that?! I watched this trend continue all day yesterday. White men threatened me with violence ALL DAY yesterday for not giving an inch, calling this a genocide. I took a very large protest sign out to the streets yesterday. It said "No more RACIST and CLASSIST genocide in New Orleans. Impeach Bush Now." The first bus I got on, a black man immediately said to me "You got that right, sister." Then as I waited for the next bus, a black delivery man unloading near where I was waiting came up to me and said I was 100% right with my sign. When I got on the bus, I sat down, and an older black man turned around from the seat in front of me and said my sign was right on, and wondered how a white girl like me ended up out there protesting the racism. We talked for quite some time. Then I got off the bus into downtown Seattle. Sadly, I was the only protester on the Seattle streets yesterday. I began to walk to the Market and a white businessman in his 50's said "Ma'am, ma'am…" and I kept walking thinking he was going to hassle me. He ran after me, tapped me on the shoulder, and said, "I just want to thank you for that sign." That was a good turn around from the morning threats, but it was brief. I got to the Market and a white middle class man in his late 60's came up to me and said, "You have a lot of nerve. No one is listening to you." I said, "No, it is old capitalist racist sexist white men that no one is listening to anymore and I think you are defensive because you know that." He said "You better watch your mouth girl." I said "There is free speech in America and I will call you a racist capitalist pig to your face again, so there!" Fuming, he threatened to go get cops. I laughed in his face and kept on walking and talking. Next, I walked along First Avenue thinking maybe someone with a conscience was protesting at the Federal Building. As I walked down First Avenue, a white male cowboy started glaring at me, then walking next to me at my pace, then began berating me for saying this had to do with race. I pretended I did not hear him and kept walking. Sadly, when I got to the Fed Building, I was the only protester. I stood on the street there protesting for a while. Then decided to move to a place with more foot traffic, Westlake Center. When I got to Westlake Center, it was packed with shoppers. Disgusted, I began saying very loudly, while holding my sign, "Your children are going to ask you what you did to stop the racist genocide of 2005 in New Orleans and you are going to have to tell them you went shopping! Can you live with that?" Black folks walked by with very wide grins as I was screaming this on the corner. Three black teen girls came up and said their aunt had said what I was saying. We talked at length at why this is blatant racism. They wanted to protest. I told them that even one person protesting makes a difference and they could see I was certainly getting a reaction. As I stood at Westlake, Seattle's insane Police Department rode up on their little bikes. They walked right up to my face, and one of them, in FULL UNIFORM, ON DUTY, made circles around his ears at me to symbolize that I was "crazy." And yes, he was white, of course. I no longer am amazed at the gross lack of professionalism in the beater police squad in Seattle. But that seems very inappropriate to me. As I stood on the corner with my sign, black males and females were coming in a solid stream saying that I was right, thanking me, etc. Yet white male after white male came up to me, pointed to the word "racist" on my sign, and called me crazy, a bitch, and many other slurs. The police stood by monitoring me, ready to arrest at one wrong move. Three men in a row threatened me with violence, and I was getting louder with each for safety. The police moved closer. Then a fourth white man and his wife approached. The police moved within hearing distance, within two feet of us. I knew they were getting ready to arrest me as a public nuisance or to try to put me in some weird psych thing they keep for logical women such as me. But as they leaned in, they heard the white man saying "What the hell is wrong with those men hassling you? You are absolutely right and you have courage." Ooops, not what the cops wanted to hear. For about 5 minutes, these folks from Canada began to tell me they are teachers, they have to explain this to kids, and it is impossible without bringing in the race and class equation. The police got bored and rode off. By the time I got home yesterday from my one woman protest about town, I felt absolutely exhausted. I tried to figure out WHY this was so agitating to white men. I cannot believe I am going to be this honest, but I have to say, that my conclusion after yesterday is, that these white men really do WANT genocide, they really do WANT those poor black people in New Orleans dead. They are not even neutral on the subject. They want them DEAD. And they will try to beat and silence anyone who works against that. Is it mere coincidence that not ONE person of color threatened or harassed me yesterday and white male after white male threatened me with violence? How do YOU explain it? Yesterday, someone wrote me an email claiming I was nuts to apply racism to this lack of response. I wrote back and said, "without knowing you, I can guess with certainty that you are 1) white and 2) male." This was his response this morning via email: "Kirsten, I am white. I am proud to be white. And I have no idea why you even brought that up. Was it my vocabulary that gave me away? You sound like a racist. I said nothing about your education. I was not referring to you when I talked about education as the key. I was speaking about people in general. You seem to want to make you and race the focus of everything. I was hoping that you actually had something valid to contribute. But it sounds like you are filled with hate. You sound like another one of those who need to blame the entire worlds problems on American white men. Too bad. I tried. Rmartin" Do I even need to add commentary to that? LOL! These white men try to play some patriarchal game, calling me ignorant and uneducated, then when I bust out the reality that I have more "education" than THEY do, they lose their minds and begin calling ME the racist! LOL! I have begun posting this crap on my website at http://resist.ca/~kirstena/pagehatemail.html. Katrina has exposed the racism and classism so prevalent in America today and it has shown it is intentional, is my take on it. Those who defend the racism and classism, or try to deny it aggressively, seem to WANT genocide of people of color and the poor. That is my serious take on it. ONLY WHITES are saying Katrina's response was not racist. That should say it all. (And I am not saying all whites are denying this racism, I am saying that the only people who do deny it, are white, from my experience so far.) Seeing who is angry when you try to fight racism, often tells you where to begin. Go make some racists mad today! |
Subject: RE: BS: ONLY Whites Deny Katrina Response Racism From: Ebbie Date: 07 Sep 05 - 01:58 AM You know, Kirsten, you're going to have to learn a little finesse or you're going to end up dead. Dialogue, not confrontation, might work better, if it is mind changing that you are after. I am white. I am a woman. |
Subject: RE: BS: ONLY Whites Deny Katrina Response Racism From: katlaughing Date: 07 Sep 05 - 02:15 AM Again, post the fist paragraph or two, then provide a link for those who want to read the whole enchilada. |
Subject: RE: BS: ONLY Whites Deny Katrina Response Racism From: Q (Frank Staplin) Date: 07 Sep 05 - 02:24 AM The elected and appointed black officials, civil servants and black police officers of New Orleans would, I am sure, strongly condemn the charges. Jessee Jackson tryed to play the race card, but seems to have backed away. The slow relief start-up affected both white and black in Orleans Parish (67% black) and Jefferson Parish (70% white). Many dead whites, as well as blacks, are being found and collected at the temporary morgue at St. Gabriel. The problem is that Americans are poor at disaster planning. Days passed before effective actions began. Stupidity, diversion of money for levee construction, unqualified leaders, a tortuous chain of command, but not racism. The individual who started this thread spouts sewage as virulent as the waters being pumped out of New Orleans. |
Subject: RE: BS: Genocide in New Orleans From: Wolfgang Date: 07 Sep 05 - 03:53 AM Little Hawk, I like your observations in this thread. Kirsten's way of talking reminds me of religious preachers. They KNOW they are right, so there's no need for them to listen to others, only for others to listen to them. That has the effect to close my ears and my mind, even if they have something basically valuable to say. Wolfgang |
Subject: RE: BS: Death Sentence For Stealing Damaged TV From: mooman Date: 07 Sep 05 - 04:27 AM This was posted to the "One Woman's Protest" thread which got deleted so I'm posting it instead to this thread which is still active. Peace, moo __________________ Dear Kirsten, I am a white male, but resident in Belgium rather than the US. I for one at least admire your stand on some on this particular issue and on some of the other issues you've posted about on this forum. "Below the line" is open territory on this site, so long as there is no personal abuse. Sadly, this part of the site is often awash with completely mindless drivel by people who should know better so there is no reason why you should post your reasoned point of view. I happen to agree with a lot of what you say. Others might not, that is their right, but let them debate it intelligently and without abusiveness (the refuge of the weak and scared). On the Katrina disaster, my nearly 18-year old (white, philosophy student) has been in tears and rages many times in the last week about things she can clearly see are patently unfair, inhumane, biased or just plain racist. The actions, or rather lack of them at a crucial stage, of the US administration at various levels in this disaster has been shameful. At the same time I can only feel admiration for the local police chief (who was interviewed on the BBC last night) and his staff who have had to deal with the emergency from the first moment and under the same conditions of hardship, lack of communications and confusion as the rest of the NO residents. Notably, he criticised the early FEMA response. I am probably opening myself to disagreement with one or two people I would class as friends here, but so be it. Peace moo
-Joe Offer- |
Subject: GENOCIDE! From: GUEST,Napalm Date: 07 Sep 05 - 05:55 AM I'm not sure the Webster's definition is the interpetation you would want to be pushing. I'm sure you already know this (but others may not),by Article II of the 1948 Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of Genocide and the provisions of Articles 6 of the Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court of 1998, it is debateable that Bush may be complicit in violation of Article II (c): Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; further defined: "includes the deliberate deprivation of resources needed for the group's physical survival, such as clean water, food, clothing, shelter or medical services. Deprivation of the means to sustain life can be imposed through confiscation of harvests, blockade of foodstuffs, detention in camps, forcible relocation or expulsion into deserts." Let's define victims of New Orleans as a racial group. However, "The crime of genocide has two elements: intent and action. "Intentional" means purposeful. Intent can be proven directly from statements or orders. But more often, it must be inferred from a systematic pattern of coordinated acts. Intent is different from motive. Whatever may be the motive for the crime (land expropriation, national security, territorrial integrity, etc.), if the perpetrators commit acts intended to destroy a group, even part of a group, it is genocide. The phrase "in whole or in part" is important. Perpetrators need not intend to destroy the entire group. Destruction of only part of a group (such as its educated members, or members living in one region) is also genocide. Most authorities require intent to destroy a substantial number of group members – mass murder. But an individual criminal may be guilty of genocide even if he kills only one person, so long as he knew he was participating in a larger plan to destroy the group." "Systematic pattern of coordinated acts" is debateable. As you have seen yourself, it all depends on who and where you ask. Also, since it seems to be the soup du'jour to announce one's race here, it may comfort many to know that I am not white nor black. "When they started sending people in, they kept sending me assessment teams. Assessment teams! 'Listen, I don't need a goddamn assessment team. I need food, medical supplies, water for 2 million people, and I've got to feed them twice a day. Get the shit in here. We'll sort out the distribution.' " General Romeo Dallaire, commenting on the genocide in Rwanda. "We wanted soldiers, helicopters, food and water,they wanted to negotiate an organizational chart." Denise Bottcher, press secretary for Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco of Louisiana. Creepy! |
Subject: RE: BS: Genocide in New Orleans From: GUEST,Jon Date: 07 Sep 05 - 07:48 AM Only Whites Claim Katrina's Poor Response is NOT Racist Not that I have any time for or trusr of the woman, I saw C Rice on TV saying it was not racist and I don't believe she is white. |
Subject: RE: BS: Genocide in New Orleans From: GUEST,Jon Date: 07 Sep 05 - 07:58 AM I have also on BBC news interviews seen black victims who have not felt the matter racist. My own opinion (and I am white) is that the reasons for the delay were incompetence, stupidity, negligence, etc. but I don't (at least as yet) believe racism was the reason for the delay. That is not to say that I don't believe there are issues in all this that do involve racism. The underlying social conditions should raise very serious questions, and I suspect questions not just confined to NO. |
Subject: RE: BS: Genocide in New Orleans From: GUEST,Jon Date: 07 Sep 05 - 08:16 AM I suppose the most serious question of all is "How real is the American Dream"? Is it a dream only some can take part in? |
Subject: RE: BS: Genocide in New Orleans From: Jeri Date: 07 Sep 05 - 08:47 AM I heard the Mayor of New Orleans (who appears to be African American) say what I interpreted as: poor people in this city are mostly black. If they were mostly white, they'd be being ignored too, but nobody would ask if it was because they were white. I still think it's a class issue. I think trying to make it out as a race issue is devisive and pretty much tells poor white people "You don't have to get involved; you don't have to be concerned. This would never happen to YOU." |
Subject: RE: BS: Genocide in New Orleans From: John Hardly Date: 07 Sep 05 - 09:12 AM "Blanco ask for Federal aid back on August 27, 2005." She did not order the National Guard in -- a responsibility that is hers alone. The president, by law, cannot order the National Guard in without a Governor's order -- unless it is an insurrection. This was not an insurrection. Even the mayor of NO acknowledges her hesitation to do so at the critical point. |
Subject: RE: BS: Genocide in New Orleans From: GUEST,Larry K Date: 07 Sep 05 - 09:44 AM The Mayor and Governor were grossly incompetent and should be held responsible by the votes of Louisiana. To say they did not have the resources to evacuate the city is simply not true. The evacuation plan clearly called for the use of busses and public transportation to evacuate the poor and homeless from the city. The mayor never used these buses nor did he order overtime for the drivers of these buses. He clearly failed the city. You can see pictures of 200 public buses under water as they were left in low lying grounds and never used. How many thousands of people could have bene saved with those buses. The mayor chose to let people walk to the silverdome where he did not provide water, food, or security. Resources were available, but never used. The governor refused to let the national guard into the city before the hurricane. This was her decision to make and she blew it. After the flooding, the national guard couldn't get into the city. They could have been there before the flooding and saved thousands of lives. Another horrible decision by Blanco. Nevertheless, mudcatters will blame Bush for these deaths. |
Subject: RE: BS: Genocide in New Orleans From: GUEST,G Date: 07 Sep 05 - 09:54 AM John Hardly and Larry K - well put and truthful but it wont play here. I don't understand the hatred for GWB. I am not a 100% supporter of his, Immigration, and spending have no control. I have had, maybe, 10 converstions with several friends in the South, 2 from NOLA, and they mirror what you two are saying. When so many here get their info from the Daily Kos, Moveon.org, Buzzflash, etc., what do we expect. While I am a semi conservative, two of the 4 newspapers I scan early in the morning are the NY Yimes and the Washington Post. Wall St. Journal and Nation review also. I have heard it referred to as 'Balance'. When people only quote the "daily kos", what are we to expect? |
Subject: RE: BS: Genocide in New Orleans From: Peace Date: 07 Sep 05 - 10:15 AM Race has nowt to do with the abandonment/lack of intervention in the south. It has to do with MONEY. Always has; always will. |
Subject: RE: BS: Genocide in New Orleans From: Little Hawk Date: 07 Sep 05 - 11:40 AM That is correct. Money is at the heart of the issue. For O.J. Simpson, it was a big advantage to be black! Why? He was rich and famous and could afford to hire the best lawyers and play legal games with phony "race" issues, that's why. Money calls the shot as to who lives, who dies, and who gets away with murder in this World. The only reason blacks and hispanics are discriminated against, ultimately, is that they are (on average)quite a bit poorer than the middle class people in North America. Poor white people are also discriminated against. Poverty is not popular. It does not command respect in high places. If you ARE poor, and it's obvious, you have several strikes against you right from the getgo. Try it, and see. Give away all your money and your nice clothes and possessions. Wear some old castoff rags. Go and live on the street. See what happens. The people who used to say, "Hi, how's it going?" will mostly now either find you invisible...or they will cross the street to avoid you. (with a few exceptions) You know why? They're scared of you. (whether or not they are conscious of that) Rich people have always been scared of poor people. Guess why. Poverty is unjust, that's why. People don't react well to gross inequality of opportunity at the point of birth into this World and thereafter. Some get angry. Some get desperate. Some get dangerous. Some just make you feel guilty that you have more than them, because you don't know what to do about it. You can sublimate it all, and say, "Well, they were just lazy. Anyone can grow up to be President in this country." Yeah, right! Now there's a fantasy for you... |
Subject: RE: BS: Genocide in New Orleans From: CarolC Date: 07 Sep 05 - 01:05 PM The problem with trying to blame everything on Blanco is that it doesn't take into consideration all of the people outside of Louisana who are blaming FEMA for not only not helping, but for actively sabotaging their efforts to save people. You just can't pin this one on the governor of Louisiana, because FEMA behaved criminally outside of Louisana as well. But the efforts to make Blanco the scapegoat for Bush's failed policies does show the true intent behind the people who do this. The true intent is to get a Democrat governor out of office at the expense of the lives of a hell of a lot of innocent people. That tells you everything you need to know about such people. |
Subject: RE: BS: Genocide in New Orleans From: GUEST,Eric Date: 08 Sep 05 - 12:35 AM I feel VERY VERY twisted on this issue. I agree that it's not a race issue it is a money issue. People don't take into account that New Orleans was at least 65% black so it's no surprise that you see more blacks on TV that are waiting for help, it's a statistical fact. Then the media makes it sound like groups of black people are going around shooting at cops, which is true, but somehow it has been twisted that "White Cops" are being ordered to shoot "black looters". Poeple are trying so hard to make it a racial issue and it is not because more than half of the New Orleans Police Department is Black including the Chief of Police. What really pissed me off is when I heard of a Police Officer having a full clip put in his face by a looter and when I saw a video of Police Officers on a rooftop ducking down completely scared to death while being fired at for no reason other than the fact that they are cops. Or the groups of Gangsters walking around the Superdome with guns, where several cold blooded murders have been reported from clashing gang members and things of that nature. I am not completely ruling out racism by some people int his disaster but for the most part nobody is purposely going aroudn and helpng white people over black people. The bottomline is it's the same issue that has been going on in America for years. STEREOTYPES. It is not "black looters" that are causing problems. It is the "THUGS" that just so happen to mostly be black which is a whole issue in itself that I am not going to elaborate on. |
Subject: RE: BS: Genocide in New Orleans From: The Fooles Troupe Date: 08 Sep 05 - 08:22 AM One of the clips I saw had the reporter mentioning that although he had seen both white and black 'helping themselves' the temporary jail for looters only had blacks in it - which was being protested loudly by one guy saying that he had a family to feed. The last missing Aussie has been found - he was arrested for being in a bar fight the night before Katrina hit, and was 'lost' among the prisoners transferred several times around the place. he was never allowed his 'one call'. And Bush/Howard are trying to convince us that the Aussie in Gitmo will get a fair trial - yeah, right, like just before the hanging... |
Subject: RE: BS: Genocide in New Orleans From: GUEST,Jon Date: 08 Sep 05 - 09:11 AM People don't take into account that New Orleans was at least 65% black so it's no surprise that you see more blacks on TV that are waiting for help, it's a statistical fact. Yes, but I seemed to be seeing more like 95% black. This leads me to think that in NO, if you are black, you are rather more likely to be in the poorest bracket than if you are white. |
Subject: RE: BS: Genocide in New Orleans From: Little Hawk Date: 08 Sep 05 - 10:39 AM If that's the case, then New Orleans would be just like most other North American cities, wouldn't it? That is a result of longterm historical/cultural patterns that go back to when blacks were first brought into this continent as slaves. Those patterns have repeated themselves and evolved slowly over time, to the point where blacks are clearly better off now, but still not nearly as well off as whites. The average Native American (Indian) is also "more likely to be in the poorest bracket" than the average white American...for rather similar reasons. Is that evidence of racism? Or is it evidence that things change slowly in society? Or is it a bit of both? Where a racial group is poor, that racial group WILL be looked down upon...not because of their race, but because they ARE poor. Women also still have less power, relatively speaking, than men...although they have plenty of legal rights. All this is so because people change their cultural ideas and behaviours very slowly, and old social patterns hang on long after new ideas have arisen to challenge them. Also...children who are born into conditions of poverty have a hard time breaking free of those conditions and leaving them behind. People have a tendency to repeat what they are accustomed to. (and none of that has anything to do with innate racial or gender tendencies) |
Subject: RE: BS: Genocide in New Orleans From: katlaughing Date: 08 Sep 05 - 02:21 PM LH, you've been spot on all week until you wrote this, imo: Where a racial group is poor, that racial group WILL be looked down upon...not because of their race, but because they ARE poor. In my experience, being poor AND racial identity will be looked down upon and if the poor are non-white, even more so. As has been said many times, one cannot change the colour of their skin. If a poor white person elevates themselves somehow, other people will percieve them differently and no longer look down on them. If a poor black, native american, asian, etc. does the same, they can and will be looked down upon no matter their improved financial status. This country still has an innate racism...it is changing very, very slowly. kat |