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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: AWG Date: 12 Apr 07 - 04:44 PM Just kidding... |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: Jim Lad Date: 12 Apr 07 - 04:43 PM |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: Jean(eanjay) Date: 12 Apr 07 - 04:41 PM Nice one :-) |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: AWG Date: 12 Apr 07 - 04:39 PM Is that a request?....... :) |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: Jim Lad Date: 12 Apr 07 - 03:24 PM Watch some daft bugger, start up a thread now. |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: GUEST,js1701 Date: 12 Apr 07 - 03:07 PM As Frank was saying, "What do you think is Irish music?" Is it only traditional acoustic folk music played by stereotypical barflies? Is U2 not Irish? Is Enya or Clannad not Irish? Irish music is whatever a person from Ireland plays or sings - be it speed metal or elevator music. I DO believe Celtic Woman is poorly named. Not because it's inacurate (apart from Westenra, they're all Irish) but because it sets up all this arguing by implying some sort of Gaelic showcase (although they do a great deal of Gaelic numbers, and well). But the equal mix with show tunes and current adult contemporary hits cuts against that expectation. If they were called "Embarrassingly Talented Beautiful Irish Women", this thread wouldn't even exist. |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: Phil Cooper Date: 09 Apr 07 - 11:38 PM They sound fine, but don't pass the armhair test. I was thinkng when Carrickfergus was played that it didn't have the impact it had when I first heard Bobby Eagalsham and Dick Gaughan sing it when Five Hand Reel did it. |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: dick greenhaus Date: 09 Apr 07 - 10:09 PM AWG- I don't think anyone's blaming them for anything. They're certainly pretty and certainly have nice voices. I wish them well, and I hope they make lots of money. Not from me, though. I think the music is quite capable of standing by itself without the sugar coating. There used to be a thing about "folk music for people who don't like folk music". Glad to say I'm not of that number. |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: John O'L Date: 09 Apr 07 - 08:54 PM Hey, hey, we are The Monkees, You know we love to please, A manufactured image With no philosophies. Hey, hey, we are the Monkees, We've said it all before, The money's in, we're made of tin, We're here to give you more |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: AWG Date: 09 Apr 07 - 06:58 PM 'Overall I can see that they will appeal to a certain audience, but they are a product of the music industry packaged to appeal to a mass audience......' That's exactly right, thus the mass appeal. They are the product of smart marketing, too. But noone can blame them for wanting to be famous, and in 10 years Im sure they will be writing their own tickets. |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: Tootler Date: 09 Apr 07 - 06:44 PM I agree with Mrs Duck. The girls have good voices and, judging from the website impeccable CV's. BUT Their singing is bland and lacks passion. I listened to "She moved through the fair" and the obvious comparison is with Margaret Barry. Her voice may not be pretty like these girls and the recording has more than a few rough edges, but does she put some feeling into the song. The fiddler was technically accomplished but again there was no feeling. I did not feel I could dance to this. Overall I can see that they will appeal to a certain audience, but they are a product of the music industry packaged to appeal to a mass audience. Good luck to them, but it will be interesting to hear them in 10 years time if I am about then to hear whether they have matured enough to sing with more feeling and to take control of their own musical destinies. |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: Mrs.Duck Date: 09 Apr 07 - 06:29 PM Well I've had a listen and frankly am not impressed. Very unfolky type voices and all sound the same. One of the girls, Hayley had an album out before Christmas that was flogged to death on the UK TV - didn't put the two together as she is from New Zealand! Glad you enjoy them AWG but definitely not on my shopping list. |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: AWG Date: 09 Apr 07 - 06:04 PM Hey, Mrs.Duck, you can just go to Youtube.com and type in Celtic Woman to get a complete list of videos. Enjoy ! |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: Mrs.Duck Date: 09 Apr 07 - 06:00 PM Sound clips here Will give them a listen. |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: AWG Date: 09 Apr 07 - 05:49 PM Mrs.Duck, you can go to WWW.CelticWoman.com for more information. I will try to get a link to where you can hear them, I just have to figure out how to put a link here, without having to type it all in. Still learning...... |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: Mrs.Duck Date: 09 Apr 07 - 05:32 PM Is there a link that I can get to hear these women - I have never heard of them until now so would like to make a judgement for myself? |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: dick greenhaus Date: 09 Apr 07 - 01:06 PM All they need is The Mighty Wurlitzer. |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: AWG Date: 09 Apr 07 - 09:42 AM I agree with Frank. To quote him... 'CW are pleasing to hear, melodic, well-produced and musically arranged and have filled-in the empty space that lacks musicality in today's popular music world.' That about says it all. |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: michaelr Date: 08 Apr 07 - 11:56 PM Frank, Frank, Frank -- you insist on creating a false dichotomy. It's not about "nice-sounding" vs. "belting" or "scratchy". You want vocally pleasing? So do I. Check out Eddi Reader or Muireann Nic Amblaoigh or Roisin Elsafty or a number of other female singers I could name working now in the traditional field. They have wonderful voices and loads of talent (as well as pleasant faces). The difference is that these ladies aren't letting themselves be homogenized by the mass-appeal blender of glitzy TV production. They choose to stay closer to the trad music sound, thereby preserving a certain authenticity and continuity in relation to the tradition. There really is a difference, and it's a difference of quality. One does not have to be a snob to perceive the difference. Cheers, Michael |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: John O'L Date: 08 Apr 07 - 07:46 PM Pussycat Dolls on Guinness (The made-locally-under-license stuff) |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: Stringsinger Date: 08 Apr 07 - 07:26 PM There's too much belting and yelling, scratchy vocal fries, mumbling diction and pseudo-earthiness being foisted as "folk" these days. The CW can really sing without having to knock someone over the head. People today have been bludgeoned by rock, blasting PA's, and the view that unless you are "blowing someone away" it can't be any good. What about music that's soothing, contemplative, vocally pleasing to listen to, musical in the sense that it's not shouting, screeching or sounding like a fingernail on the blackboard? Has the artistic pallette been so deadened that unless you scream it out, or push it across, it can't be successfully heard? The phony burbling of white kids trying to sound black, the whining and hoarse croaking of today's Country (rock influenced) Nashville or some bluegrass gymnastics, and the monotones of the neo-protest singers with their "profundity" make a artistically distasteful stew. CW are pleasing to hear, melodic, well-produced and musically arranged and have filled-in the empty space that lacks musicality in today's popular music world. I'm so glad that they don't resort to belting and shouting. Frank Hamilton |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: Jim Lad Date: 08 Apr 07 - 05:04 PM mg: We're agreeing on something! Wow! Cheers Jim |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: AWG Date: 08 Apr 07 - 03:12 PM Please listen to Lisa Kelly sing 'the voice', and then you will re-consider, mg. |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: John MacKenzie Date: 08 Apr 07 - 03:01 PM I blame Enya for that mg. G. |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: mg Date: 08 Apr 07 - 02:52 PM I haven't read the whole thread..even enough to know if I have commented before..but I am not crazy about them...they are pretty and talented but something is not there...it's like they have filters in their voices to let out mostly air and not all the sound...which was a problem with some Irish women singers since they all seemed to simultaneously sound like they were recording in an old abbey in whispers. ...that is what they are doing...musically whispering..come on girls..belt it out....mg |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: AWG Date: 08 Apr 07 - 02:37 PM Careful Doodlebug, this 'free to speak your mind' attitude of yours won't go too well here. However, Frank is a good guy (even if he does think Mick Jagger is something more than 'mediocre') |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: GUEST,Doodlebug Date: 08 Apr 07 - 02:28 PM Yet another Mudcat thread that reveals that the majority of US posters know less than not a lot about Irish music! Frank Hamilton - come on out of the 1980s and get a life. |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: GUEST,DonMeixner Date: 08 Apr 07 - 02:21 PM One of the beautiful things we can do with computers and mass storage devices and CD burners is to make comparisons. Recently I loaded the same songs by The Kingston Trio and The Chad Mitchell Trio and recorded them after each other. The Chad Mitchell Trio certainly has more polish and a better sense of harmony than the KT. The KT had a flare that the CMT didn't. Then comparisons of similar songs with the Limeliters showed a different, maybe more sophisticated flavor. All of them good in their way and all of them worth hearing. I have had the chance to hear these groups live except for TCMT and the memory of those shows is still vibrant over time. Nothing can beat a live performance done by good performers. Frank is 100% correct there is room for all styles and genres. Don |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: Stringsinger Date: 08 Apr 07 - 01:35 PM Dick G., I'm sorry not to have responded to your question. My apology. My feeling about the Weavers with Gordon Jenkin's arrangements is this, it was a different style of presentation. Gordon Jenkins was a fine tasteful arranger. At the time the Weavers were highly popular and I was grateful for this. Their presentation was in a pop style that I believe gave the popular music of the day a real boost. I loved it. I was in high school at the time and when I heard them on the radio I said to myself, "I'd like to be in a group like that." Later, when they did their first famous Carnegie Hall recording, it was like listening to a different group. I loved that too but in a different way. It was exciting, fun, meaningful and again inspiring. It was not a pop record but a new kind of concert format that influenced everyone from the Kingston Trio to avid folk music collectors. I also felt that it was a different group with Erik Darling who contributed a whole new feel adding his musical personality. I loved those recordings and enjoyed seeing them live with Erik playing his dynamic banjo. I feel that way today when I hear my old student Roger McGuinn with the Byrds in a great pop format and hear him solo in his "Live From Mars" album. Two different ways of presenting a great talent with an innovative 12 string guitar style. There has to be room for everything and an appreciation for different music formats. The pop style has to be different than the field recordings or the interpretations by revivalist folkies. They are all valuable and need to be listened to and evaluated in different ways. Frankly, if they're good, I love 'em all. Frank Hamilton |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: catspaw49 Date: 08 Apr 07 - 01:14 PM Soory Leej.....Ya' gotta' make one out of a Ale8One bottle. I have several myself but I still live where one can occasionally acquire the stuff....................... Spaw |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: Lonesome EJ Date: 08 Apr 07 - 01:11 PM As for me, a guy who's been lurking in these parts and feeling mostly like a Folk Dilletante what with my prediliction for music like Merle Haggard, Son Volt, the Byrds, and Ryan Adams, I am basking in the glow of being lumped in with those in this thread being referred to as "folk purists"!!! Ah...all things come to those who wait. Now, where's my sackbut? |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: AWG Date: 08 Apr 07 - 01:02 AM Hey michaelr, what's wrong, truth hurt ?? Bye the way, why do you keep 'popping out of the woodwork' with NOTHING to say ?? Looks like you cant find anything to watch on TV. What, no cartoons ? |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: michaelr Date: 08 Apr 07 - 12:28 AM the only one who stays on subject is Frank Hamilton, the rest is just rubbish. Thanks for that well-thought out criticism, AWG. You've worn out your welcome already, I'd say. AWG = Another Wanker Guest. |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: AWG Date: 07 Apr 07 - 11:36 PM Subject: RE: BS: Poverty in the USA From: pdq - PM Date: 07 Apr 07 - 11:31 PM Is it too late for me to welcome you, AWG? We need a few more original thinkers here at Mudcat and you seem to be a breath of fresh air. Welcome.' Hey Kat, check out the quote on this thread.. at lease someone gets me. You are just mean. |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: AWG Date: 07 Apr 07 - 11:31 PM Dum Dum. |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: AWG Date: 07 Apr 07 - 11:27 PM Hey Kat, that's not nice. |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: katlaughing Date: 07 Apr 07 - 11:22 PM Og brings new meaning to the words "thread creep." |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: AWG Date: 07 Apr 07 - 09:55 PM SURE you are Jim, SURE you are.:) P.S. Smack is slang for 'crap'. LOL |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: Jim Lad Date: 07 Apr 07 - 09:45 PM The Oxford dictionary definition of a "Smack" is "A loud Kiss". The Webster's, on the other hand, gives a far more acceptable meaning to a "Smack on the arse". Now I'm really gone! Cheers Jim |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: AWG Date: 07 Apr 07 - 08:48 PM Okay, I wasn't going to say anything until Kat started saying Alison Krauss couldn't sing. Thank God there's such a thing as free speech !! P.S. I AM new at this, just trying to get some emotion into these threads. I mean, look at all the postings talking about Celtic Woman... Hey Big Mick, I think you need to re-read what you wrote, I comprehend just fine. Self-centered ??? Who are you, Dr. Phil ?. Or is that Dr. Big Mick ?? Refresh my memory, please. What was my 'stated objective' again ? I thought this thread was about Celtic Woman, and the only one who stays on subject is Frank Hamilton, the rest is just rubbish. Hey Jim Lad, you say your'e gone, but you keep coming back to talk smack. See you soon ! LOL |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: dick greenhaus Date: 07 Apr 07 - 06:36 PM Frank, you never answered my question. |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: Jim Lad Date: 07 Apr 07 - 05:04 PM I'm not here anymore Kat but you did make me laugh! Alison Krauss |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: katlaughing Date: 07 Apr 07 - 04:24 PM Barry Finn, you just made me LMAOWROLF!! That would be a site to behold! Jimdarlin'...please NO...just search "Alison Krause" and you will find plenty of reading material!**bg** katouttoo |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: Barry Finn Date: 07 Apr 07 - 03:56 PM My thoughts about CW were that they weren't bad, actually pretty good but not my cup of tea at all & didn't hold my interest very long, actually pretty short. I am waiting & hoping though that thjere performence will take on a Chiness Martial Arts flair & they'll start flitering thought the air at the rate of 200yds per bounce all the while toe tripping from tree leaf to tree leaf with bow pointing the way ahead & "A Pinch Of Snuff" be played in flying fashion in the background. Barry |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: Big Mick Date: 07 Apr 07 - 03:43 PM Like I always say,...........Listen to Frank. Mick |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: Stringsinger Date: 07 Apr 07 - 03:40 PM Again, the self-styled authorities of Irish music are attempting to denegrate honest talent with specious comparisons to the cheese-cake ladies of game shows. Ireland abounds with great talent and it has the kind of diversity that can allow for both the Celtic Woman, Mary Black, Micheal Coleman, Mairead Nesbitt, James Morrison, Margaret Barry, Enya, Clannad and many beautiful forms of Irish expression. To claim that any one performer personifies traditional Irish music over another is sophistry and snobbery. They are all Irish performers and damn good at what they do, that's why we are here talking about them. The idea of the insinuation that Mairead Nesbitt only got where she was because of Dunal Lunny in bed is stupid. There seems to be an innate prejudice by so-called traditionalists against any group that has a high production value, pleasing to the eye and mass audiences, and the ability to sing well and make music that moves many people who are not "folkies". This is really phony. I would like to remind these self-styled "authorities" that they are on Mudcat which means there are many of us who have studied Irish music and that they don't have all the answers, just opinions. Here's why the CW are good. They have lovely vocal production, clear voices, musicality and a great musical director. They don't reek of the barroom either. (This cliche of the drunken Irish singer is most offensive to Irish people). They blend extremely well and although they may not have the rugged sound of a field recording, they have their own brand of energy, otherwise they would not excite their audience in the way that they do. I have heard many Irish musicians and some tend toward being heavy-handed, grating, and incomprehensible in singing. I have heard also Irish musicians who lilt, carry a song with grace and get the story across in an either dramatic or humorous vein. Some Irish musicians can soar with their virtuosity on instruments..Willie Clancy's pipes, the Sligo styles of Morrison, Killoran, and Coleman, the singing of McCormack and Patterson who brought the Irish tenor into a special style recognized around the world, the new crop such as Kevin Burke, Donegal's Mairead and Frankie Gavin and probably many not known in the new ranks from the Comhaltas Ceoltoiri Eireann. My point: get off this "I-know-more-about-Irish-trad-than-you-do" and learn to appreciate the variety of talent in Irish music. Frank Hamilton |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: Jim Lad Date: 07 Apr 07 - 03:40 PM Me too. Hope you'll spend some time on some of the other threads too, Oggy. They're usually a fairly pleasant exchange of ideas and can be a pleasant distraction as you go about your routine. Kind Regards Jim |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: Big Mick Date: 07 Apr 07 - 03:34 PM AWG, you prove yourself to be self centered, and apparently don't read for comprehension very well. I never attacked you for defending them. Nor do I consider what you do as defending them. It seems to me you missed the entire point of the first para of my post. Your style is taking away from your stated objective. You have turned me off, and I would bet most of the others. I may not have put perfume and flowers on it, but I gave you a recipe that would keep you out of the cross hairs. I hope you take it, I doubt you will. Mick, out of this thread. |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: Big Mick Date: 07 Apr 07 - 03:15 PM Jim ...... what do I care if I am on a list? I simply state my opinion based on what I see. The fact that I have been around since late '97 only means one thing in this discussion. And that is that if you keep up good posts, you may get off my list!!!! LOL. Mick |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: Jim Lad Date: 07 Apr 07 - 03:00 PM "Stinking parasite" Come on Bud! |
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