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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: GUEST,Stinking parasite Date: 07 Apr 07 - 02:40 PM So that'll be the Mairead Nesbitt who only got her chance via Donal Lunny's bed then? |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: Jim Lad Date: 07 Apr 07 - 02:22 PM I was reffering to ... that AWG is not so "new" As for the other... might just have to ask Oggy to start an "Alison Krauss" thread then. |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: katlaughing Date: 07 Apr 07 - 02:16 PM Not sure what you mean, Jim. Just remember, ya read it here, first.**bg** Oh, and Alison Krause? Okay when she only plays. Can't stand it when she sings! And, I saw her in person when she was first starting out. She didn't sing then.:-) |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: Peace Date: 07 Apr 07 - 02:12 PM AWG: I didn't jump all over you in the poverty thread. I simply said that your defense of Dickey was bullshit. That ain't jumpin' all over you. My remark about the DCs was to bug you. I happen to agree that comparisons of groups or people is pretty pointless. One likes what one likes. And that's usually that. |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: Jim Lad Date: 07 Apr 07 - 02:11 PM Kat: I thought about that last night & went checking. I don't go down to the BS threads any more but I couldn't find anyone with the same language skills up here. |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: Jim Lad Date: 07 Apr 07 - 02:08 PM Comparisons between "Celtic Woman" and "The Dixie Chicks" are fairly pointless. One is a concert series, backed by promoters and probably co-ordinated by a huge production staff & the other is a group of "Free Thinkers" who have proven, especially in recent years, that they are their own drivers. Regardless of the fact that both shows are extremely well produced and absolutely saturated with talent, they are dissimilar in so many ways. I scanned through one of Big Mick's submissions, further up, and find myself in the most awkward position of actually agreeing with him. Hmmm! Keep it up Mick and I might take your name off the list. Now; Alison Krauss! No flash, no fan fair, just raw perfection. That's Folk! |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: katlaughing Date: 07 Apr 07 - 01:58 PM Everyone figured out yet that AWG is not so "new" and is taking the piss? Our own Alba can sing circles around the young glams being discussed. |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: Lonesome EJ Date: 07 Apr 07 - 01:54 PM Are they talented and attractive? Yes! Is it a legitimate presentation of Celtic Traditional music? Yes! Does it get my foot tapping and my heart thumping like a four-piece Irish group in a Pub? No! Those who said the production is reminiscent of Riverdance and Cirque de Solieil had it right. Celtic Woman is in essence a "show", based on what you can see on You Tube. |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: John MacKenzie Date: 07 Apr 07 - 01:37 PM "Have you heard of the casting couch AWG? Well it's not restricted to Hollywood, and although I am not levelling that accusation at theses particular ladies, I sometimes wonder when I see 'some of the talentless females with bodies to die for', what they had to do to get their particular lack of talent on TV!" Reread it and weep AWGie baby. Somehow I don't think that in Mudcat you have found your natural home! G. |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: AWG Date: 07 Apr 07 - 01:28 PM Stop back-peddling Giok. :) Anyhow, we get the point. I figure this thread has pretty near outlived itsself. |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: AWG Date: 07 Apr 07 - 01:13 PM Hey Peace, why jump on me over in the 'poverty' thread? That hurts. Expecially after how I defend your ridiculous comparison between the Dixie Chicks, and CW. I tell people, 'Peace isnt that bad, he's just a little confused'. Boy, talk about un-grateful. P.S. American Politics ? Hmmmmm...... |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: John MacKenzie Date: 07 Apr 07 - 01:12 PM Read my post again AWG, I did not describe them as having bodies to die for. G |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: AWG Date: 07 Apr 07 - 01:06 PM Come on now Jeri, go easy on the new guy. I've seen few posts thus far containing no grammar or spelling errorz. Maybe you dont understand the post ? |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: AWG Date: 07 Apr 07 - 01:01 PM Although the ladies of CW are visually pleasing, it is strictly their TALENT that got them where they are. There would be no CW without the talent. They each worked with David Downes and had solo albums (quite successful ones) before he got them together for the Helix show in 2004. The whole point of CW is to showcase the talent. Of course it helps to have beauty, I mean, they ARE trying to sell DVD's and tickets to their shows. Anyhow, if the Irish 'traditionalists' don't approve, why are they all the rage in Ireland ?? One more thing Giok, Im not sure if you have watched the CW DVD, but although the women are beautiful (IMO), I may hesitate to describe them as having 'bodies to die for' (to quote you). They are just pretty ladies who can sing their butts off, and then CW management throws a little 'production value' into the mix....and voila ! Youve got a hit ! |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: Peace Date: 07 Apr 07 - 01:00 PM CW is a sorry second to the Dixie Chicks. IMO. |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: Jeri Date: 07 Apr 07 - 12:58 PM Much ado about a 'mostly harmless' group of singers. Makes one think it's an awful troll-like thing, doesn't it? Of course, AWG is now switching over to American politics (it was only a matter of time), and there's a decidedly inconsistent insertion of grammar and spelling errors... Anyway, mostly harmless, but definitely not worth this level of trollishness. |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: John MacKenzie Date: 07 Apr 07 - 12:48 PM Visions of poor deceased Phil Ochs in a gold lame suit are what springs to my mind when I see this commercialisation of Plastic Paddy proportions. They are selling SEX, not music, not talent, just sex. Have you heard of the casting couch AWG? Well it's not restricted to Hollywood, and although I am not levelling that accusation at theses particular ladies, I sometimes wonder when I see some of the talentless females with bodies to die for, what they had to do to get their particular lack of talent on TV! Giok |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: jacqui.c Date: 07 Apr 07 - 12:47 PM Maybe somebody will put her with 4 others like her Why would they want to do that? She seems to do pretty well without the glam. |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: AWG Date: 07 Apr 07 - 12:33 PM Hello Art, just to show I havent got 'tunnel vision' when it comes to CW, I did check out your link to Cathie Ryan. No doubt she is very beautiful. Im sure there are many like her. Maybe somebody will put her with 4 others like her (I assume she can sing), and then there will be another 'Celtic Woman' for people to bash. |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: AWG Date: 07 Apr 07 - 12:25 PM To Art, didnt mean to appear 'rude', although you may be getting a tad melodramatic about it. I was only responding to Alba who called them a farce, among other things. Who's being rude? (maybe read the post by Alba, for starters). And the comment about no better talent in Ireland, most people can see that was meant to evoke a response, which it did with spades. And to Mick, why jump down my throat ?? This is a thread about Celtic Woman, isn't it?? If you dont like it, stay away. Look who's 'prattling on', first you attack me for defending CW, then you defend them yourself. You even called them 'marvelous', and 'beautiful'. Make up your mind, please. If you can be more consistent, that would be great ! Thank you for listening..... Number 1 CW Fan signing off. |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: Big Mick Date: 07 Apr 07 - 12:08 PM Let's clear the air hear. And I will start with AWG.... Please don't mistake my comment as supporting your incessant, prattling on. This place is populated with performers, many with a lot of years of experience behind them. It is not a fan site per se. Many of us are fans of various performers, but it isn't what the site is about. I hope you are learning that this sophomoric rave about some group you like is very grating on folks. It's good enough to say you enjoy them, as well as the reasons for that. Then let the conversation develop. Learn to do that and you will be a good, long term, Mudcatter. Keep up what you are doing, and folks will take shots at you, and you will disappear with some half ass comment about how stodgy folks are. As to my comment above, This whole idea of "traditional" is a load of bollox, please forgive me for not being very clear. I was posting on the fly, and many times that is a mistake. Thanks, Michaelr for PM'ing me to ask for clarification. It is not the music that I consider to be a load, I make a pretty good amount of money, and derive huge personal satisfaction, out of performing this "traditional" music. What I object to is the idea that "traditional" music must be performed a certain way. I always laugh when someone sitting in a session with a guitar tries to lecture someone else about "traditional" instrumentation. Or when you see someone playing an "Irish Bouzouki" telling others about traditional instrumentation. (the "Irish Bouzouki" as an instrument in Irish/Scottish music is probably only about 45 years old) If you go and listen to "traditional" Irish music from various time periods, it is always played with the instruments of the day. Banjo's are a 20th century addition, as are guitars, bouzouki's, and probably bodhrans. What is traditional is the elements of the music. I always chuckle when I am watching some "Irish/Scottish/Celtic rock" band and they are playing rock and roll rhythms. One of the hallmarks of the celtic (I hate this term, which celtic are we talking about?) music is the way we play the rhythms. By the way, rhythm instruments are a fairly recent addition to our music, historically speaking. Another hallmark is the use of the old tunes in the arrangement. If you have my band's CD (Over the Waterfall, Conklin Ceili Band) you will see an example of this on several of our cuts. By the way, I enjoy Irish rock, done right. My point in all this is that while I don't like homogenizing the music, I certainly don't understand those that object to a group of very talented young women taking the music of their people and performing it with joy and love. As to the "holding the note" comment, what the hell is the matter with that? These are performers,and we all do things to demonstrate our talents. That is why we perform. It is enough to say one doesn't care for their style. Fair enough. But don't sit here and tell me that these marvelous (and beautiful) young women are betraying the tradition. In fact, they are living it. Le gach dea-mhéin, Mick |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: artbrooks Date: 07 Apr 07 - 11:58 AM AWG, it seems that you are being unnecessarily rude. Your favorite group, as a bevy, are cute, but there are many other Irish musicians who are as pretty or prettier, as if that were a criteria for enjoying how they sound. Just for one example, you might check out Cathie Ryan. |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: AWG Date: 07 Apr 07 - 11:45 AM Sorry about the crappy editing, but you get the point. If there were any better talent in Ireland, then THEY would be touring with CW, wouldn't they ?...... Well, wouldnt't they ?? |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: AWG Date: 07 Apr 07 - 11:33 AM To quote Alba... 'Sorry BM have to disagree with you. The lassies can sing but you know there are so many drop dead lovely lassies that sing a hellava lot better than these sterile dolls in this show. In many a session in Ireland and other Celtic Lands today there are amazing young Trad players and Singers belting their lungs out today without the aid of props or frocks and plywood castle bricks that could blow these wannabe Divas off the stage.' ...... Name ONE. I doubt they really exist!! |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: Alba Date: 07 Apr 07 - 11:13 AM "So as Big Mick says, the idea of 'traditional' music is a load of balls ?? Hmmmm...strange, but I know what he means. Same as Bulls*it !! In that case, I couldn't agree more" ...by that I see that is why you hold the Celtic Posers Farce as an example of FINE Irish, Scottish, Welsh, Breton Music... Ah well Jaysus us Trads should just pack it in. Why bother to preserve our Music Heritage and show how versatile it is. Slap a few Frocks on a couple of Lassies with simliar voices, build a tacky Stage set, add a few "expected begorra" touches... viola... you have it..sh*te. Sorry BM have to disagree with you. The lassies can sing but you know there are so many drop dead lovely lassies that sing a hellava lot better than these sterile dolls in this show. In many a session in Ireland and other Celtic Lands today there are amazing young Trad players and Singers belting their lungs out today without the aid of props or frocks and plywood castle bricks that could blow these wannabe Divas off the stage. You know the tickets for this farce cost $350 for two seats. Better off saving your money and taking a trip to hear the REAL thing. Still it would be a sad old planet if we all liked the very same things. I truly think the show borders on comedy...seriously, I do and it is Musically... mediocre. I also believe however that if this kind thing is your kind of thing, like Lord of Prance ect..then..Good luck to you. Again, best to all as always. Slainte Jude...(have a good weekened all!) |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: AWG Date: 07 Apr 07 - 09:51 AM So as Big Mick says, the idea of 'traditional' music is a load of balls ?? Hmmmm...strange, but I know what he means. Same as Bulls*it !! In that case, I couldn't agree more. |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: artbrooks Date: 07 Apr 07 - 09:44 AM AWG, "bollox" is British for "balls" |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: AWG Date: 07 Apr 07 - 09:23 AM Michaelr, if I said your statements were bollox, that would be good, right ?? Someone help me out here. |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: katlaughing Date: 07 Apr 07 - 12:39 AM I wouldn't invite them to a ceilidh. Don, proud ta know ya! |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: michaelr Date: 07 Apr 07 - 12:17 AM It's bad only if you agree without knowing what he means. Do you know what he means? |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: AWG Date: 06 Apr 07 - 09:29 PM I agree with Mick, it is bollox, (that's bad, isnt't it ??) |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: michaelr Date: 06 Apr 07 - 09:07 PM Mick, would you please elaborate on your statement that "This whole idea of "traditional" is a load of bollox"? I'm not looking for an argument here; I just don't understand which idea of trad you're referring to, and why you think it's bollox. Many on this forum are knowledgeable about Irish music, and I believe I know a fair bit, having studied and played it for some 20 years. It should be possible to have a discussion that attempts to draw distinctions between, say, Michael Coleman and Enya, or between The Chieftains and The Pogues, and to define these distinctions in terms of which of these musicians (all Irish) are more traditional (once we've defined what that means). It's been said about art and pornography that "I can't define it, but I know it when I see it". But in the case of art, specifically music, it should be possible to make measurement of its quality and merit. It can't all just be about "whatever you like", can it? Cheers, Michael |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: AWG Date: 06 Apr 07 - 08:26 PM You're not allowed to use fowl language, there, Amergin. Flogging Molly who ???? |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: Amergin Date: 06 Apr 07 - 07:49 PM Excuse the fuck out of me for having an opinion of my own. I am not all for traditional.....I love Irish and Scottish music when infused with rock....hence my comment about Flogging Molly....I just find these girls boring...excuse me for not being entertained by some girl who likes to show how many minutes she can hold a note...or show off her vocal range. I do not find it entertaining...but very grating. Btw, I do not listen to AC/DC...I find their music just as boring. Now please excuse my bad temper. I am feeling a bit crook due to contaminated air at work.... |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: AWG Date: 06 Apr 07 - 01:16 PM Please artbrooks, lighten up. It's Easter. Have some chocolate! P.S. Maybe I should get ahold of CW to see about getting paid. LOL |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: artbrooks Date: 06 Apr 07 - 12:58 PM AWG, are you a paid flack, or do you simply think that others aren't entitled to their own opinions of a reasonably decent group that you obviously enjoy watching and listeningto? |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: Big Mick Date: 06 Apr 07 - 12:57 PM Two points for AWG. Glad you are here, and welcome. If you take a bit of time and examine some of the old threads you will find that injecting emotion is not something Mudcat is short of. Also, for AWG, Frank Hamilton IS a good man. And you should Google his name so you realize who he is. For all of the rest ...... listen to Frank. He has hit it on the head. Irish music is not a museum piece. This whole idea of "traditional" is a load of bollox. The only thing that is constant and traditional in Irish music is that it will adapt to the times. It's relevance across hundreds of years probably has more to do with the production values of the times than anything else. They look good, they sound fantastic, they bring honor to the tradition. Undo your collars, loosen your belts, ...... and revel in it. Le gach dea-mhéin, Mick |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: Alba Date: 06 Apr 07 - 12:45 PM I watched some of this show last week. All I could think was.... It takes balls to do what these lassies are doing. It was the best laugh I have had in a while...honestly! The bit with the two bodhran players was priceless.....I found myself LOL Best to all as always, Jude ;>) |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: AWG Date: 06 Apr 07 - 12:32 PM Hello Don. Are you really a snob? Probably not, but maybe you just dont fully understand the concept of being 'entertained'. That's okay. You're not alone (judging from some of the posts on this thread, and others regarding Celtic Woman). Maybe youre an older fella, raised before the elecric guitar. I dont know. What I do know is that CW is all about entertaining people, and possibly introducing a few people to celtic music for the first time. Maybe from there they go on to check out other more 'traditional' Irish performers. (thats a good thing, right ?) So what if CW adds lots of lights and a choir ? And you gotta love the costumes !! |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: dick greenhaus Date: 06 Apr 07 - 11:58 AM Frank- Did you prefer the earlier Weavers recordings with Gordon Jenkins helping provide a more "acceptable" sound? |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: GUEST,DonMeixner Date: 05 Apr 07 - 07:12 PM Well hell. Since I started this shouting match some time ago I will let go of it now with this last comment. I never once said they were not talented. I never once said they weren't excellent at what they did. I don't believe I ever said anything to diminish them as individuals. My complaint start to end has been the production. I guess now that the word is out and I am a Folk Snob I'll stand proud with my nose in the air and be snobbish! From now on it will be only Hills Brothers and not Hot Orzatas when I attend a Coffee House performance. From now on I'll only frail because I know that three finger style banjo is too recent an invention. I'll put away my electric tuner and grab the tuning fork until I can tune by ear alone. And yes! I'll play my Autoharp on my lap. And when I die, a purist to the end, take my ashes and throw them on the Library of Congess. Don "The Folk Nazi" Meixner |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: terrier Date: 05 Apr 07 - 07:01 PM Manhattan Records' release of Celtic Woman is a compilation/collaboration between five unknown vocalists, introduced only by their first names (Chloë, Lisa, Órla, Méav, and Máiréad), who take turns chirping Irish ballads as heard through a dramatic, lush new age filter. Via reverb-heavy and thick keyboard atmospherics, the singers cover contemporary ground, such as Enya's "Orinoco Flow," to traditional melodies like "Danny Boy" and "Ave Maria." While each vocalist brings a separate lovely timbre to the table, each song shares a similar theatrical arrangement and plodding tempo that smoothes over any subtleties that might distinguish track from track, therefore fitting well sonically side by side, but leaving the listener yearning for a bit more dynamic. Overall Celtic Woman is a decent set of well-performed vocal pop, but ultimately more a soothing background soundtrack than anything memorable. ~ Gregory McIntosh, All Music Guide ......................... OK, if I ever want to make an album, I guess Gregory McIntosh is the guy to avoid. This piece is supposed to SELL the DVD. |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: Jim Lad Date: 05 Apr 07 - 07:00 PM Guest meself? |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: Joe Offer Date: 05 Apr 07 - 06:57 PM One thing has puzzled me about Celtic Woman since the group's onset - who's the woman with the crinkly hair that's depicted on the album covers? She doesn't really look like any of the performers in the groups, I think. -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: GUEST,AWG Date: 05 Apr 07 - 06:03 PM Frank Hamilton... A man who knows what he's talking about. Nice to hear from someone who 'gets it'. |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: Stringsinger Date: 05 Apr 07 - 05:56 PM I was wondering how long it would take the folk snobs to start trashing CW. Maybe it's because CW really know how to sing, have real musical value and are popular. As to Irish music representatives, just plug in any country in the world, let's start with America and say only (fill-in-the_blank) is the real representative of American music. How ridiculous is that? Why is it that only if you sing through your nose or the back of your throat, scratch out music that sounds like a worn-out 78 phonograph record, and look like a derelict from a local bar that you are suddenly "honest"? Makes no sense to me. I call that folk-hype. (Kat, I don't think that's what you meant so this doesn't refer to you). CW is helping an audience to understand and appreciate traditional Irish music. As for the so-called practioners of Irish music, many of them are "Celtoids", not Irish at all. And the Irish, just like Americans or Scots or anybody are the biggest mutts in the world. A pure Irish music is absurd as would be the music or people of any country. Give up the snobbery and learn to appreciate real talent for what it is, not something into which you're trying to make it. Mairead learned fiddling from the masters, Coleman, Morrison, etc. She just happened to develop a bit of classical training along the way. If you listen carefully to her, she places ornaments at the right place and plays with a genuine lilt, something many so-called Irish "Celtoid" players don't do. Micheal Flatley was an All-Ireland champion flute player and one of the best step-dancers in Ireland. He made the Guinness Book of Records for being the fastest tap artists, a skill that you don't find every day. Bill Whelan and David Downes are real musicians who know how to arrange music, and have serious training behind them. I can see how you might not prefer to listen to CW and that's ok. But to trash them is only to show your ignorance. Frank Hamilton |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: GUEST,DonMeixner Date: 05 Apr 07 - 05:52 PM I have watched both productions as shown here in Central New York. I have watched them twice in fact. I even own both CDs. The result of well meaning relatives who are sure I must like all things Irish because I play in an Irish(Not Celtic) band. I could tolerate this packaged production more if just one of the women were at least homely. Or if there was just one alto. I am reminded too much of Milli Vanilli and I long for the record to skip. I think the Pogues have done as big a disservice to Irish music in The US. Now every bar we go thinks you have to play well and sing poorly or you aren't authentic. But the writing is interesting at least. But you know what? I don't see with my ears. I'll put on The Pogues and listen to The Sick Bed and watch the Celtic Babes with the sound off. Eye candy and some audio substance, Can't beat it. Don |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: dick greenhaus Date: 05 Apr 07 - 05:38 PM There's a Topic recording called "Celtic Women". Makes an innaresting comparison. I thought that the overall effect was something like an Easter show at Radio City Music Hall. And the dancing fiddler--who sounded jes' fine, BTW--was funny as hell. |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: skarpi Date: 05 Apr 07 - 05:36 PM Jim lad , I see the sun all year around where I live :>) All the best Skarpi Iceland. |
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Subject: RE: Review: Celtic Woman From: GUEST Date: 05 Apr 07 - 05:23 PM Boring !?!? Yikes. Compared to what ? Do you tour with AC/DC or something? And one more thing, what do people mean by overproduced' ? Is there even such an animal ? What next, you don't like The Spice Girls ? |
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