Whatever Happened to William Zantzinger?Obit1-09

Subject: RE: Whatever Happened to William Zantzinger?
From: GUEST,mo'd
Date: 23 Feb 06 - 05:27 PM

My parents were at that party in 1963. Zantzinger hit my mother (who was young, white & pregnant with me - might explain a few things!) After he saw Z. hit Mrs. Carroll, my father took the cane away from Zantzinger, broke it and hid it under the table. Dad was all set to testify against Zantzinger, but he pled out. This story has always intriqued me and made me proud of my father.

Subject: RE: Whatever Happened to William Zantzinger?
From: GUEST,Guest
Date: 13 Feb 06 - 12:55 PM

He is truly a peace of work. Do you know how they say that God gets even in the end????????? There are those who are counting on it.

Subject: RE: Whatever Happened to William Zantzinger?
From: Peace
Date: 11 Feb 06 - 12:52 AM

Here . . . .

Subject: RE: Whatever Happened to William Zantzinger?
From: GUEST,guest
Date: 10 Feb 06 - 08:14 PM

It seems that Mr. Z is still exploiting those who can least defend themselves, not paying his taxes and in general being an ***hole. I wonder if God gets even with pricks.

Subject: RE: Whatever Happened to William Zantzinger?
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 30 Jan 06 - 08:23 PM

Thanks for the HOW TO SPEAK HIP site, but it plays the old record so haltingly and with so many gaps that it is impossible to listen to.

Art

Subject: RE: Whatever Happened to William Zantzinger?
From: GUEST,Stitt
Date: 30 Jan 06 - 06:08 PM

Art: The album of which you speak, How to Speak Hip, is online at
http://www.howtospeakhip.com/
Dig it baby!

Subject: RE: Whatever Happened to William Zantzinger?
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 01:44 PM

There is a link there to an article that appeared in Time when it happened. The sentence still sickens me today. Nice that they gave him time to get his tobacco crop in.

Time Magazine

Subject: RE: Whatever Happened to William Zantzinger?
From: Le Scaramouche
Date: 28 Aug 05 - 02:49 AM

Fascinating, never knew it was a true story.

Subject: RE: Whatever Happened to William Zantzinger?
From: GUEST
Date: 27 Aug 05 - 07:58 PM

http://www.stmarystoday.com/february_2005_news_stories.htm

Seems poor old William Z is still alive and well and had his triple-garage burn down, shame that.

Subject: RE: Whatever Happened to William Zantzinger?
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 16 Jan 05 - 07:20 PM

Thanks, Art and DADGBE!

Subject: RE: Whatever Happened to William Zantzinger?
From: artbrooks
Date: 15 Jan 05 - 05:24 PM

Article here.

Subject: RE: Whatever Happened to William Zantzinger?
From: Susanne (skw)
Date: 15 Jan 05 - 05:04 PM

Thanks for the reference to Mother Jones mag. Is it on the Net? (It's kind of hard to get in the north of Germany, and I'd really like to see the article.)

Subject: RE: Whatever Happened to William Zantzinger?
From: GUEST,Art Thieme
Date: 15 Jan 05 - 04:43 PM

The more things change...

The original(?) line that I recall was:

You can take all the sincerity in show biz, stuff it into a flea's navel, and still have enough room left over for 3 carroway seeds and an agent's heart!

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: Whatever Happened to William Zantzinger?
From: DADGBE
Date: 15 Jan 05 - 02:20 PM

Check out Mother Jones magazine Nov./Dec 2004, Page 42 - "Legacy of a Lonesome Death" by Ian Frazier for more on the subject.

Subject: RE: Whatever Happened to William Zantzinger?
From: GUEST,Cinnabar
Date: 15 Jan 05 - 01:16 PM

Oh well the times are not changing. Maybe we will see him in the next world and hopefully he won"t be late.

Thanks

Subject: RE: Whatever Happened to William Zantzinger?
From: GUEST
Date: 13 Nov 04 - 05:33 PM

Billy Zantzinger is a slumlord and continues to bully poor people.

Subject: RE: Whatever Happened to William Zantzinger?
From: GUEST,DylanFan Visalia California
Date: 05 Jun 04 - 04:18 AM

One thing about Bob Dylan's music is that it is written in such a way as to be always timeless. What he wrote about 40 years ago still pertains to today as it also did 2,000 years ago. Basically, as another hero of mine Tom Waits wrote in a song, "you can put all the goodness of mankind in a thimble and still have room for you and me".

Subject: RE: Whatever Happened to William Zantzinger?
From: GUEST,JTT
Date: 12 May 04 - 04:22 PM

Hmm. I went to hear him in the Savoy in Dublin in nineteen sixty ummm, with my auntie; he'd just gone electric and I was outraged and deafened, but my auntie, a quiet civil servant, enjoyed it a lot. Well, I don't really have the money to be going off to Stormont watching concerts right now anyway.

Subject: RE: Whatever Happened to William Zantzinger?
From: GUEST,Ballyholme
Date: 12 May 04 - 01:59 PM

I've always regarded myself as a Dylan fan, JTT but if I'm honest I have to say I've never enjoyed his live performances. I've seen him three times (including Slane and Dundonald Ice Bowl) and he's been very disappointing. On both those occasions, Van the Man saved his ass by joining him for a few songs and I wouldn't be surprised if he turns up again at Stormont. Having said that, I still love most of Dylan's old stuff.

Subject: RE: Whatever Happened to William Zantzinger?
From: GUEST,JTT
Date: 12 May 04 - 01:08 PM

I've kind of lost track of Dylan's stuff over the years, but heard this song for the first time on the rcently released 1964 live concert CDs. Is Dylan still writing about this kind of thing? What does he write about Bush, Iraq and so on?

He's playing in Stormont next month...might go and hear him...maybe... or is he just another rich pop star now? Would it be worthwhile?

Subject: RE: Whatever Happened to William Zantzinger?
From: MikeofNorthumbria
Date: 29 Nov 02 - 10:57 AM

The Zim spake true, folks:

"Money doesn't talk, it swears"

Wassail!

Subject: RE: Whatever Happened to William Zantzinger?
From: GUEST
Date: 28 Nov 02 - 05:24 PM

Night Hawk HE IS A
LIVE AND GETTING FAT IN CHAPATICO MD SAINT MARYS COUNTY MARYLAND

Subject: RE: william zant zinger
From: Big Tim
Date: 30 May 02 - 01:47 AM

Try under; Zantzinger

Subject: william zant zinger
From: GUEST
Date: 30 May 02 - 01:19 AM

Help!! I know I read an item about William Zan Zinger on Mudcat in the last month or so, but everyting I've tried can't retreive it now. Anyone lend a hand on this one?

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Messages from multiple threads combined.
-Joe Offer-

Subject: RE: Whatever Happened to William Zantzinger?
From: Peter T.
Date: 05 May 02 - 12:39 PM

No, really, voyager? yours, Peter T.

Subject: RE: Whatever Happened to William Zantzinger?
From: voyager
Date: 04 May 02 - 01:40 PM

Washington Post Magazine article August 4, 1991 by
Peter Carlson has been summarized by the Internet
Dylan 'zine - TELEGRAPH here -->

Zanzinger link

voyager
"bravely trying to insert blue-clicky thing"

Subject: RE: Whatever Happened to William Zantzinger?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 04 May 02 - 12:34 PM

And Bobby was singin' about Zantzinger all the way through it.

There was more, but this is enough...

Art

Subject: RE: Whatever Happened to William Zantzinger?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 04 May 02 - 12:26 PM

Yes, Amos, there were (I've been told) other less than pleasant side effects. But when the entire room I was in---all four walls and the ceiling and floor----became a padded cell with at least 10,000 female breasts----well, it was worth it. Let's just say that it was fun to be so out of it I was bouncing off the walls.

Love,

Art

Subject: RE: Whatever Happened to William Zantzinger?
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 04 May 02 - 12:16 PM

Art,

Thanks, he was around for years as part of a very popular morning show team "Pete & Geets". He did some bad accents and created McTavish McRomo, Beans Rontash and a few others. Retired a few years ago.

Subject: RE: Whatever Happened to William Zantzinger?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 04 May 02 - 12:12 PM

Steve,

GEETS ROMO was the name of a character in a comedy LP from the 1960s called How To Speak Hip. The record was done by DEL CLOSE (of Chicago's Second City improv comedy fame) and JOHN BRENT. It was done as a parody of the "learn to speak" various languages records from that era. One guy portrayed a real "beatnik" and the other was the "square" who was trying to sound hip even though he was an un-savable nurd. It was a hilarious record I thought. Wish I still had it.

If your guy took that name, he had good taste. It just popped into my head right at this moment, after all this time, so I used it in my post.

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: Whatever Happened to William Zantzinger?
From: GUEST,Frogmore
Date: 04 May 02 - 01:31 AM

I feel responsible for bringing this thread back to where it started. Certain priveleged people get away with...........murder. Sometimes. Zantzinger did as far as I know. They did when I was young, before I was born, and even now. You know of things in your town and I know of things in mine. People consider me a jolly guy - they see me and my pals singing and picking in their pubs. But we need to keep on doing whatever it takes to maintain our Constitutional and human rights. Voting, registering new voters, getting scoundrels out of office, and.....writing songs such as Dylan's "The Lonesome Death of Hattie Carrol." Go back to Woody Guthrie, John Steinback, and others. I hope I sense a new activism going on. I enjoy amusing people with my stories and songs but I am seriously angry about things locally - and nationally - and internationally. Since I was a teenager, Bob Dylan has been an important example to me. The power of the pen, the urgent strum of the guitar, the impassioned voice. I hope many will take this long-ago Zantzinger atrocity to heart and be inspired to take any kind of action against arrogance and bigotry in your town or city. This is the most "preachy" I've been on the mudcat, but that's the mood I'm in tonight. I love the old blues song "You see me laughin' - laughin' just to keep from cryin'." Ballyholm, you sound like a funny guy (or bloke?). Let me know if you come to Florida. I ain't got no drum machine.

Subject: RE: Whatever Happened to William Zantzinger?
From: Melani
Date: 03 May 02 - 11:46 PM

Many seeds meant for gardening have mercury added as a preservative. Don't eat 'em.

Subject: RE: Whatever Happened to William Zantzinger?
From: Amos
Date: 03 May 02 - 09:32 PM

Hell, they made ya ill if you ingested them even in the 60's!! But it was fine if you managed to suppress the heaves long enough for the trip to start!! (This is an "I didn' t inhale" report, second-hand, of course....).

A

Subject: RE: Whatever Happened to William Zantzinger?
From: Ballyholme
Date: 03 May 02 - 04:11 PM

Well, that's machines for you. Success goes to their heads. It's like when I go to a bar and see a solo performer who uses a drum machine. I'm never quite sure if I'm applauding the performer or the machine.

Subject: RE: Whatever Happened to William Zantzinger?
From: GUEST,Frogmore
Date: 03 May 02 - 03:40 PM

Response to Ballyholme: Now you're asking a lot from a brain that's possibly damaged from the Florida Sun, too many 4 AM picking sessions, and the passing of time in general. Jukebox? I can't remember. I'll ask my old singing partner who now lives in North Georgia. If there was a box it was likely filled with ol George Jones, Merle, and the crappiest pop songs of the day. I doubt that W.Z. was much of a "Bob-Head." I happen to own a 1958 Seeburg that I rent out for private parties and I can stock the sucker with anything you want - Howling Wolf, Louis Armstrong, Bill Monroe, or Madonna. The irony is that the box makes more for an evening's work than I do as a musician. Ha!

Subject: RE: Whatever Happened to William Zantzinger?
From: Steve Latimer
Date: 03 May 02 - 02:20 PM

Art,

There was a long time morning radio guy here in the Toronto area who went by Geets Romo. Started as engineer, but ended up on air. Could it be the same guy?

The first time I heard "The Lonesome Death..." I was hoping it was something that Bob made up (I was three when it happened), but quickly figured out it wasn't. I wonder if Zantzinger would have got off so lightly today.

Subject: RE: Whatever Happened to William Zantzinger?
From: Ballyholme
Date: 03 May 02 - 01:58 PM

OK, I'm dying to know. Was there a juke box in Zantzinger's Zalloon in La Plata? Did it have any Dylan?

Subject: RE: Whatever Happened to William Zantzinger?
From: GUEST,Frogmore
Date: 02 May 02 - 11:54 PM

Isn't it interesting that this thing can go from a homicide reporte to my generation by the young Bob Dylan - to a health warning about mind-expanding temptations for folks in 2002? And what I mostly saw in Zantzinger's Zalloon in La Plata was bourbon whisky and bored old country boys. I've often said I didn't really get into folk music for the money - it's the stories! Gawd!

Subject: RE: Whatever Happened to William Zantzinger?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 02 May 02 - 10:49 PM

Hey, folks,----don't do anything like that now. That was 40 years back. We were nuts in the 60s. Since then additives have been added to those seeds that make one quite ill if they are ingested.

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: Whatever Happened to William Zantzinger?
From: rich-joy
Date: 02 May 02 - 06:38 AM

can this be the SAME "morning glory" plant (purpley-blue flower) that is DEVASTATING huge areas of our native vegetation in SE Queensland (Australia) by choking?????? (Ipomoea indica, family Convolvulacae)

I can STILL be moved by Judy Collins' version of Hattie Carroll (the only one I ever heard ...)
R-J

Subject: RE: Whatever Happened to William Zantzinger?
From: SINSULL
Date: 01 May 02 - 11:39 PM

Pearly Gates and Heavenly Blue? I just bid on these on Ebay. A 4Her is selling them. HMMMM.

Subject: RE: Whatever Happened to William Zantzinger?
From: Art Thieme
Date: 01 May 02 - 09:44 PM

In '64 (or whatever) some friends of mine were intent on trying a halucinogenic preparation we'd heard about in an article by Timothy Leary. These guys and gals ground up several packages of Pearly Gates and Heavenly Blue morning glory flower seeds (bought over the counter at Amling's Flowerland in Chicago) just as instructed to by Mr. Leary's article. They drank this stuff mixed in orange juice while Bob Dylan sang "The Lonesome Death Of Hattie Carroll" at full volume. As the concoction took effect, these folks were transported into the action of that fine song. To this day, I can "VIVIDLY" recall how pissed off we were as Geetz Romo (not his real name) danced around the room yelling at the top of his lungs, "I'm gonna kill that cane-happy son-of-a-bitch !! I'm gonna kill that cane-happy son-of-a-bitch !!"

Ah, nostalgia !!! Were those days really as good as we remember 'em?

Art Thieme

Subject: RE: Whatever Happened to William Zantzinger?
From: GUEST
Date: 01 May 02 - 08:40 PM

And here's a map.

Subject: RE: Whatever Happened to William Zantzinger?
From: GUEST,Frogmore
Date: 01 May 02 - 04:31 PM

The tornado was looking for him, but maybe his family is so influential they can even control the weather. I recall La Plata and Port Tobacco as having some of the drunkest humans I've ever seen. And I've seen em.

Subject: RE: Whatever Happened to William Zantzinger?
From: Mrrzy
Date: 01 May 02 - 04:27 PM

Didn't La Plata just get flattened by a tornado? Rats - MISSED AGAIN!

Subject: RE: Whatever Happened to William Zantzinger?
From: Peter T.
Date: 01 May 02 - 02:50 PM

Gotta love the web. yours, Peter T.

Subject: RE: Whatever Happened to William Zantzinger?
From: Ballyholme
Date: 01 May 02 - 11:53 AM

Another searce of Maryland auctioneers turned this up: William D. Zantzinger Route 301 P.O. Box 185 White Plains, MD 20695 PH 301-843-6300 301-645-2300 FAX [phone] E-mail: [e-mail]

Subject: RE: Whatever Happened to William Zantzinger?
From: Ballyholme
Date: 01 May 02 - 11:47 AM

A William Zantzinger is listed on a state of Maryland website as a tax delinquent (http://www.comp.state.md.us/initiatives/morinitiatives/delinquent.asp). I assume this list is current.

Subject: RE: Whatever Happened to William Zantzinger?
From: Peter T.
Date: 01 May 02 - 11:39 AM

I started the thread hoping someone might be able to give us an update since 1991. A search/scan didn't reveal anything immediately. yours, Peter T.

Subject: RE: Whatever Happened to William Zantzinger?
From: SINSULL
Date: 01 May 02 - 11:09 AM

Did Hattie Carroll's family succeed in Civil Court? Or did any of his other victims sue? Just sent my dues to Southern Poverty. Mary