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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Riginslinger Date: 15 Jun 08 - 09:48 PM Oh well! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Ron Davies Date: 15 Jun 08 - 09:24 PM "...make up their own minds". Great idea. As long as they realize there is only one way to stop McCain from becoming president: supporting Obama. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Little Hawk Date: 14 Jun 08 - 04:01 PM There will still be people like that 20 years from now. Nothing replecates itself as effectively as dead stupid blind ignorance. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Riginslinger Date: 14 Jun 08 - 01:11 PM The last time I looked into it, there were still a large number of people who thought Saddam Hussein was involved in the 911 attacks. It's totally amazing to me. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Amos Date: 14 Jun 08 - 01:03 PM Folks need to make up their own minds. They need to do it on the best and clearest information they can get. The fact that on the eve of the invasion of Iraq up to 60% of the American public, thereabouts, believed Hussein had a direct connection with the attacks on the WTC is an appalling reminder that the commodity of stupidity or wilful ignorance and hypnotic suggestibility is still a very hot market. Those who promulgate snide and hate-filled generalizations --a sin of which I am not wholly innocent--need to consider what they are contributing to the matrix of knowledge--or lack thereof--of the culture into which they inject their statements. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Little Hawk Date: 14 Jun 08 - 12:32 PM Getting Ron to agree with anything would be like trying to talk a mosquito into not biting. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Riginslinger Date: 14 Jun 08 - 12:26 PM Well, that's flattering, Little Hawk, but I don't think you'll get Ron to agree. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Little Hawk Date: 14 Jun 08 - 12:23 PM "Only the clueless would not realize this. " Ah, yes, "the clueless". ;-) And what would we do without them? America just wouldn't BE America anymore without the clueless, would it? Nor would most other places! Imagine it. A world devoid of the clueless! What a mind-numbing concept to ponder. Where would we get role models for those "stupid" characters around which most of our comedy entertainment is built? How would NASCAR drivers and crack dealers make a living? What would happen to commercial TV??? And how the hell would the Democrats and Republicans maintain their present stranglehold on the White House without the willing and ready assistance of "the clueless"? And where would George Bush be without "the clueless"? Huh? I ask you that! It's a damned scary proposition. I, for one, am greatly relieved that there is very little likelihood of "the clueless" ever vanishing, because if they did, the world as we know it might come to a crashing end. "Folks just need to be left alone to make up their own minds." - Riginslinger Ah HAH! Now, there is the statement of a wise man. Riginslinger, I am inclined to deduce from that that you may not be securely lodged among the ranks of "the clueless". |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Ron Davies Date: 14 Jun 08 - 10:37 AM As long as people are aware that the only way to keep McCain out of the presidency is to vote for Obama. Any scheme about exchanging votes depends on a degree of trust which only the naive would expect. McCain, as I've noted, believes and has stated that the US was founded as a Christian nation. And that when immigrants come here, they know this. And he will appoint Supreme Court justices who reflect his belief--which is also shared by the religious Right--whose votes he depends on heavily. Only the clueless would not realize this. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Riginslinger Date: 13 Jun 08 - 10:35 PM Bobert - You're right. None of this is getting us anywhere. Folks just need to be left alone to make up their own minds. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Ron Davies Date: 13 Jun 08 - 10:08 PM Well, if you say so, Bobert. Once more into the breach. Gee, it seems I may have struck a nerve. All I'm trying to so is stick up for logic and evidence, and recognition that issues don't lend themselves often to the simplistic approach preferred by the Obama opposition. But it seems said posters prefer conspiracy theories and scapegoat hunting. And the list of scapegoats seems to be endless. Right now the top contenders appear to be Mexicans, religion, and "the media". But others seem to be waiting in the wings. As I said earlier, it's no wonder propaganda works--with people so easily led by the nose. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Bobert Date: 13 Jun 08 - 09:00 PM That's it... I'm going to quit starting threads... This has become a tennis match and, frankly, my neck is gettin sore... lol... Now back to the rigs-'n-ron show... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Riginslinger Date: 13 Jun 08 - 01:49 PM Maybe we could figure out a way to get a larger percentage of the people we have to actually engage in the activity of thinking. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Amos Date: 13 Jun 08 - 01:01 PM We need more people, Rig, and it should be obvious. The rerason is simple. Only 1-2% of the human race has the vision and brains to tackle the Big Issues. Right now, there are more Big Issues than ever befo0re, too many for 1-2% of our number to tackle. THerefore we need to raise a higher number of 1-2% brains. This means the totral has to be higher, as well, obviously, or we are doomed. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Riginslinger Date: 13 Jun 08 - 12:47 PM Engage in family planning and avoid listening to Ron. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Little Hawk Date: 13 Jun 08 - 12:40 PM I see. ;-) Well, what is your solution for that? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Riginslinger Date: 13 Jun 08 - 10:24 AM "The fact is that Pbama's presentations in general ar emore thoughtful, IMHO and more rational than John McCain's are, or than Hillary's were..." I'll admit McCain is all over the map. I think this has to do with the reality that he needs the right-wing-religious-wakkos to compete with Obama on money, so he's more of less prevented from doing much of anything else right now. As far as Hillary, her presentations were far more cogent than Obama's ever could have been. LH - When the election is over, I expect Ron to pick up the self-righteous cause of declaring runaway human population growth to be a very good thing. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Little Hawk Date: 12 Jun 08 - 10:55 PM Rig and Ron, Rig and Ron. Man, it just goes on and on. But what will you do for fun after the election is over? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Amos Date: 12 Jun 08 - 10:19 PM Rig: That, sir, is blatant stink on your part; your bitter and sour underlayment is showing through rather badly. I think you should apologize, not something I say very often. The fact is that Pbama's presentations in general ar emore thoughtful, IMHO and more rational than John McCain's are, or than Hillary's were. One example, the summer gas-tax party. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Riginslinger Date: 12 Jun 08 - 10:01 PM Obviously "thinking" is not what Obama supporters are all about. They've been overcome by the "Wilderbeast Syndrome," and all they can think about is the asshole under the tail in front of them. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Ron Davies Date: 12 Jun 08 - 09:55 PM Perhaps you'd like to say that last line while looking in the mirror--and you can stop at the word "think". That would be progress--and might even indicate that religion, Mexicans, the "media"-- or whatever your scapegoat du jour happens to be--is not in fact responsible for all your problems. Big progress. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Riginslinger Date: 12 Jun 08 - 09:44 PM There are problems, of course, in trying to prevent mindless Obama supporters from running the country off a cliff, and there isn't a lot of time for trivial pusuits, that is for those of us who care what happens. If we could only get people to think for themselves the world would be a much better place for those of us who truly care. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Ron Davies Date: 12 Jun 08 - 09:26 PM It's interesting that there seem to be more educated voters--that is, Obama supporters---on Mudcat than those who oppose him. And those who oppose him tend rather to a simplistic approach to economics and politics, and a desperate search for scapegoats---Mexicans, religion, "the media"--anything but having to actually grapple with their own flaws. "The fault, dear Brutus...." |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Riginslinger Date: 11 Jun 08 - 11:33 PM Yes, it does seem that Obama voters have a very strong "herd" instinct. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Ron Davies Date: 11 Jun 08 - 10:10 PM I've given a good start to defining an "educated voter", which anybody can see. As I've noted, it's interesting that the vast majority of educated voters--at least on Mudcat-- seem to back Obama. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Riginslinger Date: 11 Jun 08 - 10:02 PM I didn't ask anything. I was simply looking back to your last post. It just seemed to me that you were being vague. You say that "educated" voters were behind Obama, but still you haven't defined educated so readers are left wondering what you meant by that. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Ron Davies Date: 11 Jun 08 - 09:54 PM Recognizing and accepting shades of gray, not jumping up to salute every half-baked conspiracy theory one sees, and not looking for scapegoats for every problem--e.g. Mexicans, religion, "the media"--would be a good start. Why do you ask? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Riginslinger Date: 11 Jun 08 - 09:49 PM Ron - That leaves you with the problem of defining educated. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Ron Davies Date: 11 Jun 08 - 09:41 PM I repeat: if more Mudcatters were aware of shades of grey, not insisting on black-white distinctions--and not addicted to conspiracy theories--more posters on political threads would make more sense. But it is interesting that it seems that both the people who insist on simplistic interpretations of politics and economics and the scapegoat seekers oppose Obama. As I said: no wonder that most educated people back him. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Riginslinger Date: 10 Jun 08 - 09:37 PM Sarah Palin - She's pretty! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Little Hawk Date: 09 Jun 08 - 11:56 PM Your point? I don't even recall your point at the moment, and I hardly care about that. It's your attitude toward people I'm discussing, not your point. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Ron Davies Date: 09 Jun 08 - 10:50 PM Anybody who wants to pull chains is now invited to pull his own chain. Sweet dreams. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Ron Davies Date: 09 Jun 08 - 10:48 PM Interesting my point has not been addressed. Silence consents. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Little Hawk Date: 09 Jun 08 - 10:34 PM You are a chain-pullers dream, Ron. ;-) Well, you are when it comes to politics anyway. I note that you are far less nasty when discussing most other things. At least I think so...I'm trying to remember when I've read something from you that wasn't about politics...hmmm...(?) Hold that thought. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Ron Davies Date: 09 Jun 08 - 10:10 PM However, I am not the one always talking about the terrible threat from (pick one or more): Mexicans, the "MSM", religion, capitalism, the political duopoly. Why? Since in contrast to some around here, I am aware that none of these are monolithic . If more Mudcatters were able to discern shades of gray--not insisting on black and white portrayal of a given issue, more would make sense--and none would be the CEO of Smears R Us. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Riginslinger Date: 09 Jun 08 - 10:08 AM "...only answer to any question is to whine about "the media", Mexicans, religion, or whatever conspiracy theory is flavor of the day." Ron - I would certainly agree with you that the medai, Mexicans, and religion are very, very serious problems. But there are other things to be concerned about too, such as health care, and the economy. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Joe Offer Date: 09 Jun 08 - 02:03 AM Well, I think Hillary's best chance to become President was this year, and I'm sorry it didn't happen. If Obama doesn't make it this time, she'll have a good chance in 2012. But you're right, Ron: she'll have another shot only if she's a good sport and works hard for her party's candidate every term until her next chance comes. If she has to wait until 2016, she'll be a bit beyond the ideal age to become the first woman President - somewhere in her 60's is probably the best age. Who's the next best chance to become the first woman President? Sara Palin? -Joe- |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Ron Davies Date: 08 Jun 08 - 10:22 AM Going to a bluegrass festival now. Have fun here. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Ron Davies Date: 08 Jun 08 - 10:13 AM Still waiting for a logical answer as to how Hillary will have any chance in the future to become president if she does not break her neck now trying to get Obama elected. Looks like it will be a long wait for an answer--especially from somebody whose only answer to any question is to whine about "the media", Mexicans, religion, or whatever conspiracy theory is flavor of the day. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Riginslinger Date: 08 Jun 08 - 09:46 AM And it's still working! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Ron Davies Date: 08 Jun 08 - 09:13 AM As usual, a fact-free reponse from the CEO of Smears R Us. Nice to know some things don't change. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Riginslinger Date: 08 Jun 08 - 08:31 AM "You really are eager to give Ron further ammo for righteous indignation, aren't you, Rig? ;-)" And it seems to have worked! |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Ron Davies Date: 08 Jun 08 - 07:41 AM "...best way for her to become president is for Obama to lose in November." 1) Not likely, since he will win. 2) Even if he were to lose, she will only ever have a chance in the future if she tries now to move heaven and earth to get her supporters to vote for him. If she does not, how much support do you think the Democratic Establishment will give to somebody who did not help the party's presidential candidate this year after he was picked? Particularly when she has trashed him with one of the most negative primary campaigns in quite a while. Hope this question doesn't strain the poster too much, since it actually requires him to think--probably an unreasonable request. It's actually rather likely that she has already destroyed her chances for another presidential run forever by her appeals to "hard-working Americans, white Americans" and her blatant hope for Obama's assassination. It's not likely Democratic movers and shakers will want to associate themselves with such sentiments---ever. But dream on. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Big Mick Date: 07 Jun 08 - 09:24 PM Folks that are so intellectually lacking that they base their choices on how much melanin is in someone's skin are in a panic. The forewarded crap I get is scary. This is so frightening to them, that many of them are willing to vote for a man who wants to continue sending sons and daughters to fight and die in a war based on a lie. They are willing to vote for a man who wants to continue the failed economic policies that have the middle and lower in such dire straits. In these circumstances, it is critically important that Hillary follow up on her strong endorsement. Those of us who understand the numbers know that the number is 7%. That is the percentage of the likely voters that will not vote for a person of color. If Obama has to overcome that, AND disaffection of anything more than a neglible amount of the Clinton supporters, and assuming the McCain people run a great campaign, we have a problem. I believe that as folks come to know Obama, he can counter a great deal of this, especially if he is smart in the issues he raises, and in who he lets it be known that will be in his administration. "Zach", you are not anonymous as you think you are. And you are a low life. You have confirmed what I always thought about you. Mick |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Amos Date: 07 Jun 08 - 09:09 PM Zach: You are a sad sack, sadly. Please do not delude yourself that you know what Americans are or are not ready for. A |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Ebbie Date: 07 Jun 08 - 09:06 PM "Please don't delude yourself that a coloured man or woman will ever reach high office in the states. Sadly Americans are just not ready for that despite what they say publicly. " Phrased like that, what you are really saying is that you are not ready for a "coloured" man or woman to reach high office... |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: GUEST,Zach Date: 07 Jun 08 - 04:29 PM Female down, black guy left. Please don't delude yourself that a coloured man or woman will ever reach high office in the states. Sadly Americans are just not ready for that despite what they say publicly. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Little Hawk Date: 07 Jun 08 - 03:33 PM You really are eager to give Ron further ammo for righteous indignation, aren't you, Rig? ;-) Look, I have said before that I will gladly arrange a prizefight between the two of you so you can settle your differences honorably in the ring. Chongo knows all the boxing clubs in Chicago and he can easily get you guys a ring, a time, and a well-qualified ape referee to make sure no one pulls any dirty tricks like hitting below the belt or packing some lead in the boxing gloves. What are you waiting for? |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Riginslinger Date: 07 Jun 08 - 03:17 PM "Thanks to her conduct, now the only possible way she ever has a chance at the presidency herself is if Obama wins in November." Actually, the best chance for her to become president is for Obama to lose in November, then she can run again in 2012. Or if Obama uses her as VeePee in an effort to win over all the voters he pissed off in the primary, and the Black Panthers gun him down for not giving enough money to Reverend Wright. |
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Subject: RE: BS: Hillary's Bow-Out Date Contest... From: Bill D Date: 07 Jun 08 - 03:15 PM Hey, Ron...*grin*...you're as much a Republican as Joe Lieberman is Democrat... atypical? Indeed. |
