fRoots magazine and the EFDSS

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 06 Jun 19 - 11:19 AM

Lot of people missing from 2009

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: Stilly River Sage
Date: 06 Jun 19 - 11:17 AM

The spam has been deleted, but what surprises me is that two members looked at an obvious phishing message that didn't have a hot link and still plugged it into their browsers. Just ignore that shit and a moderator will eventually find it and remove it. If you think it needs to be addressed more quickly, send a message to a moderator.

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 27 May 09 - 12:20 PM

with the knowledge of reading what I've been reading, so get over it!

I'm out of this too with this remark, but I assume this reading knowledge is the same knowledge that leads you to state someone who has posted at least twice today is no longer here. I'll get over that.

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 27 May 09 - 11:58 AM

(and I think in your case without knowledge)

with the knowledge of reading what I've been reading, so get over it!

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 27 May 09 - 11:37 AM

Wrong Rifleman. Lizzie Cornish posted to both the Tom Bliss thread and started a Kate Rusby thread today and may have posted to more. On the two I did read, at least last time I looked, she had been left alone.

I'd imagine if her posting is reasonable (which does not mean she is not allowed to find SOH's music the most enjoyable music she has ever heard or to have her own "what is folk?" definition), she will be left alone. I don't think anyone is particularly interested in gunning for her just because she is Lizzie.

The last 3 "refreshes" were sparked of by people ticking others off (and I think in your case without knowledge). Kindly stop and let this thread drop off to the bottom.

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 27 May 09 - 11:27 AM

This Lizzie Cornish person is no longer here, so why continue picking on her? Could it be that you have absoluterly nothing better to do with your time, or is the fact that she's not here make her an easy target?

As I've said before, ad nauseum, opposite sides of the samer coin mayhap.

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 27 May 09 - 06:21 AM

I don't know what happened to ghost. She seemed to disappear during one of my periods away from newsgroups.

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: Jack Campin
Date: 27 May 09 - 06:10 AM

What happened to "ghost"? She was slightly off her trolley and drastically underinformed but did at least believe passionately in something.

Janet Ryan pulled a similar number on Ian Anderson in uk.music.folk, which ended up with Anderson leaving and Ryan as well shortly after. Ryan actually knew something and her heart was in the right place, but her normal style of interaction was to parade around with a KICK ME sign on her arse and then to storm off singing "nobody likes me, everybody hates me, think I'll go and eat worms".

Neither of them was in the same league as Lizzie.

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: Smedley
Date: 27 May 09 - 05:18 AM

I'm so sorry. Please supply a list of approved thoughts and modes of expression and I will endeavour to follow your edicts.

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 26 May 09 - 11:11 AM

Smedley and others (you know who you are) Give it a rest will you? How many bloody times have you got to be told...back in your prams!

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: Smedley
Date: 26 May 09 - 10:46 AM

Thanks Diane.

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 26 May 09 - 10:07 AM

Such is the democratisation facilitated by the internet that it allows individuals to have a voice - and if this music is about anything, it's about the wide range of individuality it encourages, engenders and, ultimately, depends upon for its survival - however so wildly idiosyncratic that individuality might be at times. Comes to something though when a band admits to being embarrassed by their own fans - or worse, one fan in particular. Wish I had someone like Lizzie fighting my corner - or even Lizzie herself... ;-]

Ah, the sweet delights of folk!

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 26 May 09 - 09:58 AM

Anarchy In The UK by Simon Ritchie on Squeezebox Schizophrenia.

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 26 May 09 - 09:53 AM

Talking of the Sex Pistols... EFDSS gets Vicious (by David Owen)

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: Smedley
Date: 26 May 09 - 09:48 AM

Or even sanG.....

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: Smedley
Date: 26 May 09 - 09:48 AM

Does anyone know who sand the clever 'trad folk' reworking of the Sex Pistols' 'Anarchy in the UK' with one line of the original lyrics rewritten as "is this the EFDSS ?" ?

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 26 May 09 - 09:45 AM

The EFDSS Strikes Back (by David Owen)

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: treewind
Date: 26 May 09 - 09:23 AM

"I've never seen anyone else do what Lizzie does"
In terms of not knowing when to stop, Roger Gall a.k.a. The Shambles was a worthy (FSVO) rival.

Anahata

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: Smedley
Date: 26 May 09 - 04:31 AM

I am beginning to wonder if 'Lizzie' is an actress putting in extensive & long-term rehearsals for a forthcomning Mike Leigh film.

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 26 May 09 - 04:01 AM

ghost was probably the closest but she didn't have the fan bit.

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: GUEST,Jon
Date: 26 May 09 - 03:57 AM

I had been leaving this thread alone but.

but at least acknowledge that she is only doing the same as anyone who post's here

In 10 years on these folk forums, I've never seen anyone else do what Lizzie does.

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 25 May 09 - 08:36 PM

I think that was all done early on, and sort of wound up by Ian. I thought that the Lizzie bit had been sort of answered by Phil. Agreeing with Darowyn and Mary Brennan above, Lizzie is being unfairly pilloried, despite her own self destructive tendencies ( some of her adversaries share these)she is a human being, therefore important and lovable, so get off her case and ignore what you don't like, but at least acknowledge that she is only doing the same as anyone who post's here.... giving expression to her beliefs. She may not do it to everyones taste, SO DON@T BITE . End of ? ...... No, not on Shitecat.

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 25 May 09 - 06:30 PM

So now that's all over and done with, can we talk about fRoots and the EFDSS? As a subscriber to one and a member of the other I should declare an interest, but I thought it was a reflective and timely comment from Ian.

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: GUEST,Mary Brennan
Date: 25 May 09 - 06:13 PM

I couldn't agree more. I enjoy the music that Lizzie puts on her MySpace page and I agree with lots of what she says.

On this occasion, however, she seems to be digging herself in deeper with every post. Even Phil Beer and Eliza Carhty can't get through to her.

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: Darowyn
Date: 25 May 09 - 03:25 PM

I think you can.
This has gone way off topic, and is tending towards the unpleasant, but, in Lizzie's support, I'd just like to say that I often click on the profile tracks she put up on her Myspace page- and she doesn't pick many duff songs or artists.
Cheers
Dave

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 25 May 09 - 03:11 PM

"Please understand that no good can come of the way you conduct yourself online. You are damaging things that are very fragile more than you'll ever know."

Can you say opposite sides of the same coin?

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: Tug the Cox
Date: 25 May 09 - 12:17 PM

Leave Lizzie alone, everything that needs to be said was included in Phil's mail. Squiggle, do you really think that you have added anything or are likely to have more impact. Drop it.

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: GUEST,Squiggle
Date: 25 May 09 - 09:59 AM

"And I know for a fact that good publicity is as great as bad...ALL of it helps...

But, Lizzie what you fail to understand is that this is bad publicity. Every fawning 1000 word monsterpost you write puts people OFF the bands you champion. Because you come across as frothing at the mouth crazy lady, over time most readers assume that's what all fans of SOH or Seth are like, and it puts them off investigating any further.

People got sick of you on the BBC board not because they dislike SOH or were trying to suppress "freedom of speech", but because you went on and on at great length about the same acts with an increasingly long word count, more emoticons tacked on the end and ended up picking fights with anyone who said maybe you should tone it back a bit.

Please understand that no good can come of the way you conduct yourself online. You are damaging things that are very fragile more than you'll ever know.

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: GUEST,Phil Beer
Date: 25 May 09 - 06:35 AM

Sorry everyone. I tried. Good luck.

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: Spleen Cringe
Date: 24 May 09 - 11:28 AM

Come on now, Eliza... deep breath!

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: GUEST,eliza c
Date: 24 May 09 - 11:25 AM

i take it back. i'm going to make sure she can never, ever join...

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 24 May 09 - 11:15 AM

"I saw Colin the other"

Nooooo..that makes him sound like Gandalf The White...

I meant to say.....I'm sure I saw Colin the other *day* LOL

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 24 May 09 - 11:13 AM

"Madlizziecornish first heard their music a couple of years ago and embarked immediately on a crazed cyberfanzine, incorporating a scattergun approach to other performers causing untold embarrassment and alarm."

So, er....WHY do they send me their CDs?

Actually, it wasn't about a fanzine, it was about standing up to you and Colin, from Gloworms, who launched an all out attack on me immediately..well, Colin did..and you told him off for referring to Show of Hands fans as 'women of a certain age'.. ;0)

I'm *sure* I saw Colin the other, by the way, dancing with Hammersmith Morris, outside The Anchor. I was at work in the National Trust shop right opposite. We grinned at each other. Barry was there too, not dancing though. There were two teams and they danced all day long in the sunshine..it was great!

Hey, Diane...WHAT are we going to argue about now?????

If Phil won't let us be 'us' any more, WHO are we going to talk about next? LOL ;0)

Howz about The Oysterband? Ooh, they're Blood Red Roses is such a great song! Here...put it on really LOUD!

Oysterband myspace - Absolute Heaven!

And as for their 'Here Comes The Flood' Ohhhhh!   I'm off to put it on my page to play..

:0)

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 24 May 09 - 11:05 AM

Oh...hello Sweetums! Fancy seeing you in here. :0)

Hey!!!! Phil has UNITED US IN MUSIC! Show of Hands too.

How fitting is that then. :0)

We *both* have Alianza and Rhythm Methodist.

Well, who'd a thought it, eh?

The Sidmouth Seagulls are all very unhappy over here, by the way, because we now have those incredibly ugly dustbins all over the place..which stops them from ransacking the black bags, but creates an aura of grey and green gloominess, as front garden after front garden becomes swamped in bins...

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: The Borchester Echo
Date: 24 May 09 - 10:55 AM

Since my name is mentioned in this diatribe, I must, reluictantly, throw in a point or two of clarification.

Phil Beer in his eloquent plea though gritted teeth for his most misguided and deranged "fan" to cease and desist, remarked that most people made up their minds 15 years ago whether or not they liked Show of Hands music.

Certainly I did. While I have nothing but praise and admiration for the work of Beer & Knightley in other incarnations, I continue to have little interest in that particular project but if it pays their bills, good luck to them.

Madlizziecornish first heard their music a couple of years ago and embarked immediately on a crazed cyberfanzine, incorporating a scattergun approach to other performers causing untold embarrassment and alarm. Her "battle" was against those who attempted to channel her undoubted enthusiasm and energy into something resembling a learning curve which might place her "discoveries" into some kind of context.

And to arrive (at last) at one half of the context of this thread, she is using the publication of a "reassessment" piece in fRoots as "proof" that she has no need to "defend" Beer & Knightley any longer because the "battle" is over and her heroes are being taken seriously by "those who have changed their minds".

While the stock of the dishevelled and razor-shy ones has rocketed over the past few days as a result of revelations about their integrity and self-awareness, I don't think this means sales of Roots will rocket, though I might be playing an old tape of Alianza or Mr Beer's solo Rhythm Methodist again.

The other strand, contextually, of this thread is the EFDSS where I was on the staff many years ago. C# House has quite nice doors actually that open very easily. It's better than it was in many ways, and improving, though I'm unable to afford any credibility to the Sidmouth Seagull's mode of assessment since she has never set foot there nor been involved in the society in any way whatsoever. Far too busy ripping off other people's efforts to make her plagiarised webpages, presumably.

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: Leadfingers
Date: 24 May 09 - 10:19 AM

Pardon me while I throw up !!

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: Lizzie Cornish 1
Date: 24 May 09 - 09:03 AM

>>>RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: GUEST,Phil B (Sighing in resignation) - PM
Date: 21 May 09 - 09:40 AM

"Ok Enough now!!
I pass through these boards once every couple of weeks but simply don't have time to peruse them regularly. I'm too busy gigging or recording and they are my priorities in life. I'm far more concerned with doing it than talking about it. Please forgive me posting this in one thread when it is relevant to several, and indeed to other boards as well. (Please feel free to cut and paste, anyone who chooses to!) The last bit of this piece is completely relevent to the thread.

LC. I don't know who you are, only that you are from my patch and seem to have seen us rather more times than is,perhaps,healthy...."

Now, Phil, 'tis no good you tryin' to get around me, by calling me Elsie...that joke was done on the BBC board, waaaaaay back. ;0) Heck, I've only seen you guys a few times, last was in 2007 at the Royal Albert Hall...twice at Abbotsbury, about twice at The Barnfield and at Sidmouth 2 or 3 times..and that's it.

But WHAT an impact you made on me, first time round! :0)



"Maybe I spoke to you even on the last two local shows . I don't know....."

Nooooo..whoever that lassie was who threw her arms around you, kissed you passionately, then smoothed down her Show of Hands T shirt as she walked away, it wasn't me. Honest! ;0) I've always, always kept in the shadows, even when surrounded by Longdogs, and despite numerous people trying to get me to talk to you guys at gigs, I'd never do that. But just for reference, so that you can dive into the vegetables, should you ever happen to spot me in a supermarket, or pour a bucket of cold water over me from a very big height..this is me



"I understand that you mean well and that you feel you are championing some sort of cause on our (and indeed others) behalfs. Let me explain a bit about this internet place. Its not a universal fanzine. Its a genre specific place of chat and discussion for a bunch of folks, many of whom have a great deal of knowledge and indeed expertise in their subject. I know many of them as both friends and acquaintances."

Yup, me too, Phil. Mudcat is a wonderful place...in fact, it's THE most wonderful place on the internet, because not only is it where the musicians themselves come, alongside the likes of me and others like me, 'out there' but it's where you can learn one helluva lot about everything from Cecil Sharp to the best kind of condoms! I mean WHERE else on the internet could that ever happen? It's just absolute magic..and whilst you miss so much due to gigging, I myself miss quite a lot to, due to giggling...because there are some of the best brains ever in here...such great musicians too.

ALL of that...AND...Joe and Max believe in Freedom of Speech as well, which means that we can tell each to stick our heads up our arses or sparkle and shine about something or some band that has brought a bit of magic into the world..


"My band makes music that has one of its (Possibly cloven) hooves in this place and the other three 'Out There' in the rest of the world. Many of the folks here consider themselves as (self appointed) guardians of something rare and precious. I have ABSOLUTELY no problem with this."

Me neither Phil. Absolutely no problem...until knowledge is used as a weapon...and then, I have every problem in the world about it...


"All I ask is that they maintain visiting hours so that I can get on with building the new wing (Crap metaphor, sorry!) whilst having access to the edifice. (Also a self appointed task) Virtually everyone contributing here decided whether they liked/disliked our music more than 15 years ago."

She raises her hand high in the air, Hermoine Grainger style.."I love it, Mr. Beer, I LOVE it!" :0)


"Our task is as always to bring the music to a wider audience and whether or not anyone here likes or dislikes us is not relevant."

Ah, but that's where we differ. I know that many people read Mudcat who never contribute, and that not ALL are musicians, many are just 'ordinary folks' passing through. That's why I always defend your music from being er...'misrepresented' by er...certain people...It puts both sides forward and keeps it all on an even keel, so that folks can then make up their own minds..Much fairer that way.
And I know for a fact that good publicity is as great as bad...ALL of it helps...and Mudcat has a far wider audience than perhaps you realise..heck it's taking over Google when you ask Mr. Google about someone musical, Mudcat nearly always comes up..


"What is important now is that I must try and make you understand the difference between things like, say, the Folk Awards, the Mercury Prize and the EFDSS badge."

Okie dokie... :0) She puts her best behaved face on and sits quiet and demure for a minute...

"They serve their purposes in order to obtain a degree of status in the world at large. They give us something to say about ourselves in press releases and are sometimes good for the personal ego. Thats all.
When Ian A pushed for the EFDSS badge for Walter Pardon, it was an entirely and utterly different ball game. The EFDSS at that juncture was internally and politically in a very odd place in which song took a very poor back seat to dance ( Hence---DEAFASS the Dance Earnestly And Forget About Song Society) I never bothered with the Sidmouth festival in my younger days because it was 90% dance oriented.
This small but significant internal award to Walter was actually very very important in terms of getting the powers to recognise that here was a person of great stature and importance as a real, living, singing, purveyor of traditional song."

Oh heck, I understand that part..always have done! :0) I used to help Sam make many sites about traditional music and folk music in general...and I've got over 20 pages in Myspace about many folk artists too.

Adventures In The Tradition

Mainly Norfolk - With Walter


"None of us can ever be that. At best, if we're very lucky, some of what we do may pass into the song line. It would be good to think so, however, nothing that we do can possibly be compared to what Walter actually WAS (To quote SK)."

Nope, with all due respect, I disagree entirely. Walter loved to sing, singing was his life, the songs flowed through him, they were part of his life, part of the lives of many back then. They still are. We may sing different songs, indeed even some of the same ones, but you and Steve,and MANY others also are the music. Nowadays the music is carried out to far more people in very different ways, but those who take the music out have exactly the same love for it flowing through them, as did Walter and all the other singers.

Yes, Walter is worthy of his gold badge, but so are you and Steve, and so are all the others who have the music flowing through them, including Barry Lister, who...is singing in my ears on his gorgeous 'Ghosts & Greaspaint' CD, as I write this to you Phil.

Barry's met me by the way...and lived! ;0) He met me years back at the first ever Sidmouth Folk Week, when some of those who are now singing its' praises were bemoaning it and wishing it ill. At the time, my husband (now divorced) was one of the directors of Sidmouth, all of them were determined to make Sidmouth live again..and thank goodness, it has. Anyway, one evening I met Barry and a few others, down in The Bedford, after a meeting had taken place and I was invited. Barry and I got the giggles...he's a terrible giggler! Well, actually, he's a beautiful giggler...but that evening he and his friends, Tom and Sean, treated peter and I to the most wonderful evening of traditional songs and singing. There were just 7 of us in that room that evening..I was the only one not singing, because I was absolutely transfixed! Such *beautiful* songs and singing, it moved me to tears at times.

So yes, despite what the Moaning Minnies think, I have always understood the beauty of traditional songs...but I also know that there are far more people 'out here' who know sod all about it, and they probably never will.

Some believe 'the music' should find the people...or that at least, the people should search long and hard for that song...I don't. I believe that if the right people are laying down the right paths, in the right way, then MANY will follow those paths, as I did...and find this beautiful music.

It breaks my heart that so many people are totally ignorant of it...and whilst without Walter many of the songs people now sing may not have survived, it's also equally important to recognise the people who are doing so much to ensure that Walter's love lives on.

I came to Walter, Barry and so many more, through the paths that Show of Hands lay down. I recognise that and I recognise how important that is. Others come in from different angles, I also recognise that too. But what needs to be recognised by the EFDSS (only in my opinion) is that without those laying down these paths, the songs will remian unknown to the many, performed by the very few, with a high risk of dying out altogether in the not too distant future.


"Please Lizzie. I'm delighted that you like our music. We are absolutely clear about who we are, what we are doing, and where its going."

Yup, you're going the way all of us 'out here' who love your music always knew you'd go. Doing it your own way, despite all that has been said across messageboards, by those who've tried so hard to give you a bad press.

"I just turned 56 last week. I still have the will and the energy and the best is yet to come."

A belated Happy Birthday, Phil. :0) xxx

"I can handle any form of abuse, misconception, or downright vitriol."

Hmmmmm....well, it's good to hear that, and to be honest, if you'd said that 5 years back I may have kept quiet, but then again, perhaps I wouldn't have, because of the depth of vitriol that was being slung at you two and at me too. I've always felt that you shouldn't have to have endured any of the crap that was thrown at you both for so very, very long. It was deeply wrong and should never have happened. But such is the effect of Show of Hands music on some folks.

"What I do NOT wish to be portrayed as is a member of some form of geriatric Boy Band. This sort of adulation is utterly embarrassing and I'd really like it to stop now."

Er...I think you'll find it was my opposite who brought the boy band thing to light. And honest, I don't idolise either of you. What I latched on to was the music and the songs, the message within many of Steve's songs, which touch the hearts of many people, ignite the anger more than a little and make many of us feel that at last we have a voice. It's why the Longdogs are so loyal, so supportive of you both, because apart from loving your music, they believe, admire and respect what you've done, what you continue to do and the way you're doing it. But my little house in Sidmouth is truly not filled with posters of you both placed above a shrine, so don't panic! :0)

"Sorry to take up everyone elses time. I'm delighted that the EFDSS is in the shape its in now. It bodes well for the future. We are not just passing through, we are taking it with us. Keep the doors open and the pages turning!!!
Phil (Should be in the studio) Beer"

Ah yes....and it's those OPEN doors that I've been banging on about for so very long, Phil...because for many a long year, they've been closed in the faces of those deemed not good enough for traditional music. The wider they're opened the better for everyone concerned.

This music was once the music of 'the people', sung by ordinary folks, a part of their lives, something that gave them a voice, a way to express their lives, to pass it down...but it has been taken over, in some instances, by those who have sought to intellectualise it, to surround it with rules and regulations, to put it upon a Holy Altar and worship it.

Well, I believe that the music belongs with 'the people' again. It's been locked away in dusty, fusty, musty rooms and clubs for way too long. It is the music of the people, and you, Steve and Seth, all of whom have been much maligned by a certain segment, are taking it back to the people, alongside many other artists, who have NOT been so maligned...

You're all doing a grand job!

And if this thread has proved anything at all, it has proved that we are all heading in the same direction, that we are all saying the same thing, in a roundabout way (some on bigger rounbabouts than others);0)....but more than that, what is now so heartwarming about this thread...and the one on fRoots too, is that ****finally**** you and Steve ARE being taken seriously at long last by those who have seemingly finally changed their minds.

It remains to be seen whether they have changed their minds because of the music, or because they feel that in you speaking out, they have finally won their battle against me, which has always been the weirest thing anyway.

As I said way back, The Battle of Show of Hands was won, not by Diane or me, but by you two yourselves...and that is simply Fact, NOT adulation.

RI'm really glad that Ian Anderson has jumped aboard with the rest of us too. :0)

If you want to find out more about me, Phil...then ask Reg Meuross, Duncan McFarlane and his band, or Barry. They have all met me and will testify that I am not some raving nutcase with Show of Hands tatoos. All it ever was, was that you two opened up a whole world of music for me, much of which I never knew existed and for that, I'll always be grateful....and so I chose to defend you against The Black Lordette.

You won't have to face any more vitriol now, as that's been killed off with this thread, so I've no need to defend you two any longer.

I happily lay down my sword, not in Surrender, but in Joy.

Love and hugs
Lizzie :0)

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: Bonzo3legs
Date: 23 May 09 - 12:07 PM

Don't forget - the lady is absolutely not a "lady"

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: Les in Chorlton
Date: 23 May 09 - 09:14 AM

Where does this leave that song?

L in C

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: Jack Blandiver
Date: 22 May 09 - 07:38 AM

May I mention that the word "upcoming" is another nasty neologism?

All logs were neo once upon a time, Richard.

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: Rifleman (inactive)
Date: 21 May 09 - 04:04 PM

"Hasan't done the Stones any harm..."

Phil Beer has performed with them as well *LOL*

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: Folknacious
Date: 21 May 09 - 03:54 PM

Yes, it was probably invented after 1954 but don't worry, give it a while and it may be traditional. That's the way of these things.

Canute K (failed).

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: Richard Bridge
Date: 21 May 09 - 01:17 PM

May I mention that the word "upcoming" is another nasty neologism?

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: Zimmerman
Date: 21 May 09 - 01:17 PM

Phil Beer says:

What I do NOT wish to be portrayed as is a member of some form of geriatric Boy Band

Hasan't done the Stones any harm...And if you split up you can always re-form. Look at the Take That tour - even Joanna Lumley couldn't get you a ticket.

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: irishenglish
Date: 21 May 09 - 12:41 PM

Much like a lot of people, I got into this music by accident, in my case seeing Fairport open for Jethro Tull here in the U.S. in 1987. Like some rocked up version of my dad's Clancy Brothers records, I was spellbound, and tried (in those pre internet days, remember that?) to find out as much as I could about them-who's this Swarbrick guy, and who is this Martin Carthy guy he used to play with? From there it went further-who's Walter Pardon, Sam Larner, Fred Jordan, etc. When I first started I would have honestly run for the hills if I heard some of the source singers, but now I love it. I love hearing comparisons-for example, May Bradley singing Willow Tree, and Eliza Carthy doing it in her own way, yet owing much to Bradley's version on VOTP. When I went to England in 1990, despite being young, and not really knowing what it was all about, I decided to go to Cecil Sharp House. So there I was, 22, in London for the first time, walking a long way to find this place, yet not knowing why I was going there really. Well, I remember having a look around, buying a few cassettes (at least one I still have, quite proudly) and thinking, wow-what a great thing. A society built on music, archiving this vast collection. Like I say, I really didn't know much then, but I was impressed by just the mere presence of such a place. And I wouldn't have given a damn about if it was a stuffy old institution then, I just knew as a 22 year old American that this was invaluable, and important. What I'm getting at is , like my earlier post, there is no ONE individual performer in all of this field that should be placed on a high pedestal. I like SOH fine, I love Oysterband, at the same time I love Martin Carthy and Pops Maynard, and Johnny Doughty. It's all valuable, its all important, and its all equal in my book. Seems like the EFDSS through various programs someone posted above is doing a lot of good work. Why on earth other than to take it personally would anyone have a problem with them? Why on earth would you say that your favorite band does more to introduce new members to this music than a society that has done so much of value. I don't mean to ramble, but it just annoys me to see "politics" in an area that shouldn't have it.

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: Phil Edwards
Date: 21 May 09 - 11:02 AM

Well done Phil.

Seconded. I don't much like SoH, but I think they're basically a Good Thing - any tradition that didn't have people developing it in different directions, & other people yelling at them to stop it, would be a tradition that nobody much cared about. And if that comment is anything to go by, Phil B is definitely one of the good guys.

Phil E

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 21 May 09 - 10:03 AM

And sorry but couldn't resist linking this err cheeky homage The Cornish Songbird *


* Disclaimer, I know nothing about LCornish or SoH, but err, it did mek me chuckle....

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: Crow Sister (off with the fairies)
Date: 21 May 09 - 09:58 AM

"a member of some form of geriatric Boy Band."

Lol!
Though there are some who actively work at achieving this 'look' y'know. Just check out the state of poor old Duran Duran. Eeek..!

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: GUEST,Ralphie
Date: 21 May 09 - 09:54 AM

It's the Petchouli Oil!!
Cheers mate.!

Subject: RE: fRoots magazine and the EFDSS
From: GUEST,Phil B
Date: 21 May 09 - 09:53 AM

Ralph
Thought you were years younger. Well done.