BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Al
Date: 20 Jul 06 - 11:23 PM

You know, Guests comments kind of sound like they are coming straight from the lips of .......No, couldn't be.......could it?

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Al
Date: 20 Jul 06 - 10:23 PM

What Amos said.
Al

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Amos
Date: 20 Jul 06 - 09:39 PM

Ya know, Guest, you're right that I shorthanded that statement in a way that was misleading.

But your churlish guttersnipe remarks are unnecessary, unwelcome and quite off the mark.


A

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Don Firth
Date: 20 Jul 06 - 01:45 PM

I'm with Al on this.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Jul 06 - 12:33 PM

I'd like to see Bush out of office just as much as you would, Al, so I can appreciate your concern about that.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Al
Date: 20 Jul 06 - 10:28 AM

Guest and LH,
It's this kind of thinking that will enable GWB to slash and burn at will, and get us another Bush clone in 2008. Your thinking is intuitively correct, but practically wrong IMHO.
Al

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Little Hawk
Date: 20 Jul 06 - 09:37 AM

Dead right. The political parties are a sham. Vote for the best individual candidate that is available, regardless of party affiliation, and you might have a shred of hope of getting a decent government.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST
Date: 20 Jul 06 - 09:28 AM

Bush has achieved his goals with the assistance of the Democrats. The Real ID Act was passed 100-0 by the US Senate. Because of this act, you will need a biometric ID to walk the streets of America by 2008. Internal passports (as in Nazi Germany). Passed 100-0 by the Senate. So show me where voting for Democrats makes a difference.

You know in your guts folks you've been bamboozled by the two-party system. It is really one party. Rush Limbaugh says Ted Kennedy wrote Bush's education bill, and it is indeed a communist child-hating abomination. Hillary Clinton supports war in Iraq. The Democrats are having their way domestically and internationally under Bush, and casting your vote for Democrats won't make a bit of difference.

First get the electronic voting machines out of your community, then vote for the best candidate for the position, regardless of party.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Al
Date: 19 Jul 06 - 11:37 PM

Let us not waste our all our power by spending too much time criticizing and berating Mr. Bush. It will do no good. He can and will do whatever he wants regardless of how much whining and complaining there is out there. There is currently nothing to stop him. If you think some Supreme Court ruling is going to rein him in, just wait. I think you'll find he devises a secret way around that, too. It being that his time is running short, I expect him to get even more radical in his actions. He will gather his roses while he may.

Let us rather expend our energy in useful and positive ways, like doing everything we can to oust every single republican and republican sympathizer in the next election. It is within our power to do this. A Democratic congress could stymie him either by their votes in committee or on the floor, or by instituting diversions like investigations and impeachment proceedings.

Let us not forget that Bush is not the only promulgator of evil republicanism. They can be found strutting their stuff in state and local offices too. Even non-partisan offices like school boards have these yimyaks trying to take control.

So, vote straight Democrat. Vote for Democrat sympathizers in non-partisan elections. And vote in numbers great enough to overwhelm any built-in bias in the voting machines. Don't waste a single vote on a third party candidate, because the system is rigged to allow only two parties to exist in any significant way. Give money to the Democratic party and its candidates. Offer to work to get the vote out. Maybe get a bumper sticker that says "NOT A REPUBLICAN". Do all this regardless of what the Democratic candidate is like. We must not falter or fail in this. The future of the nation and the planet depend on this. The time to do all this is NOW.

Al

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: kendall
Date: 19 Jul 06 - 07:18 PM

As far as I'm concerned, he can go to Hell and I'll buy his ticket.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Jul 06 - 04:37 PM

Bush's veto and all the ranting of the anti-abortion crowd is not going to stop stem-cell research from being done.

Although I'm not sure of this, it's my understanding that American pharmaceutical companies can go ahead with stem-cell research without government funding if they want to. It just means that when and if they turn up something, they'll have to charge more for it to pay for the research. And it doesn't affect foreign researchers at all.

Hypothetical.

Suppose, within the next month or two, stem-cell researchers in Switzerland (outside the reach of George's veto and the opposition of the "pro-life" folks) announce a break-through and come up with a cure for all sorts of diseases and conditions such as Parkinson's Disease. And George begins to notice uncontrollable tremors in his hands.   How fast do you think it would take him to book a trip to Switzerland? Would he go there in Air Force One, at tax-payers' expense?

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Don Firth
Date: 19 Jul 06 - 04:20 PM

George and his supporters, bless their pea-pickin' hearts, certainly have an interesting concept of what constitutes "pro-life."

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Amos
Date: 19 Jul 06 - 03:53 PM

The Chief Republican has just vetoed stem cell research, which could lead to the saving of lives and the betterment of life for thousands. His argument was that it was immoral. Hmmmmmmmmmm?



A

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Greg F.
Date: 19 Jul 06 - 02:27 PM

Well, Ebbie I think Douggie's pretty hysterical.

His "jokes"[sic] and his opinions are something else altogether.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: beardedbruce
Date: 19 Jul 06 - 11:35 AM

I know quite a few democrats, and in general they are about the same as the republicans I know- but a little more vocal.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST,Chongo Chimp
Date: 19 Jul 06 - 11:30 AM

I figures, don't it? There are a few good gorillas too, I've noticed... ;-D

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: kendall
Date: 19 Jul 06 - 11:22 AM

I know a few republicans, and they are good people. The rest would steal flies from a blind spider.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Ebbie
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 06:11 PM

Doug, even when you try, you're not particularly funny.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: DougR
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 06:07 PM

Mebbe not, Ebbie, maybe he's just "well built."

DougR

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Ebbie
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 02:06 PM

Love is amazingly blind. In Juneau, a lovely woman, gentle, spiritual, and Buddhist, is in a longtime marriage - evidently happily - to a conservative Republican who serves as Chief of Staff to the second most unpopular current governor in the USA. I don't know him; I have to assume he is a decent man or she wouldn't be with him.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Little Hawk
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 12:43 PM

No kidding, Troll? ;-) Heh! That's amusing. I meant that in a good way, not being nasty. I can hardly imagine being married for many years to someone who totally disagreed with all my political ideas!....but I guess "love is blind", eh?

I've always been basically a democratic socialist, in a general sense, although I have no objection to capitalism either...as long as it doesn't run absolutely everything. I like to see a sort of 50/50 mix of capitalism and socialism in a society.

GUEST - If you think the Queen is "running Canada", my lad, you must be really high as a kite on something! LOL! She's still on our coins and paper bills, all right, and she visits us on very rare occasions to wave her little hand, but that's about it. We DO have a Charter of Rights, and it works just as well as your American Bill of Rights. Matter of fact, I feel freer here than what I saw in the good ol' USA when I lived there. Now if what you are saying is that the British Royal Family are tied in with a consortium of fabulously rich people who run all of western society....yeah...that I'll agree with. They're an important part of it. But it's that consortium of very rich people who control Canada, the UK, western Europe, AND the USA. I don't think the Queen is the boss of all of them. I doubt it. If she is, though, she runs the USA too, not just Canada.

Now take some of that stuff you're high on and spread it around, please. Don't be greedy. ;-)

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: kendall
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 08:06 AM

Don't feed the troll

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Troll
Date: 18 Jul 06 - 12:10 AM

LH, why do you think I'M here. My wife and I agreed when we first started dating not to ever discuss politics.

She's somewhere to the left of Lenin and she says that I'm somewhere to thr right of Attila the Hun. My brother, Skeptic, is the chairman of the local ACLU and I live in what some of my more redneck neighbors refer to as The Peoples Socialist Republic of Alachua County.

The Mudcat Forum is my one oportunity to speak my mind without having to worry about my home life, my relationship with my closest family, or being tarred and feathered and/or forced to watch the news on the alphabet networks.

troll

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jul 06 - 10:50 PM

'Adopt a Bill of Rights so you can talk like I do.'

We simply require bad diction to do that.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 Jul 06 - 10:37 PM

Wow! That sounds a little harsh. . . .

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jul 06 - 10:10 PM

Canada's ruled by a Queen, unless you're no longer a Dominion.   Canadians can't criticize their govt or they go to jail. A police state. Can't criticize the govt or religions or races. All the Canadians are allowed to criticize nowadays is Americans. The prime monoster isn't your problem, it's that Saxe-Coburg queen. Get her Nazi ass out of your politics and you'll be just fine. Adopt a Bill of Rights so you can talk like I do. The queen's a whore. The prime monoster needs to be castrated. Man that feels good.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Peace
Date: 17 Jul 06 - 08:30 PM

A very good and dear friend of mine called me one evening (early morning, actually) the day after Nixon's election to the Presidency. My friend was somewhat inebriated--hell, he was plastered. He and I had put on lots of miles in the McCarthy campaign, and needless to say he was disappointed with the results of the election. He said (and here I will quote his words exact, because I have never forgot them): "Well, once again the American people get what they deserve. But why do I have to keep getting what they deserve?"

In Canada, we have Harper. He leads a minority government. I did not vote for him. I want y'all to know that. However, until the citizens of this fair country see fit to get his rotten ass outta there, he will be my Prime Minister, too.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 Jul 06 - 08:18 PM

Democracy is a very interesting system, and most people's idea of what it consists of and how it's supposed to work amounts to a slumgullion of misconceptions. For example, it is most emphatically not majority rule. The originators of democracy were smart enough to understand that between two foxes and one goose, voting on what's for dinner might have a detrimental effect on at least one member of that society. They were also aware of the inevitable pitfalls of political parties, particularly things like a two-party system. I think it's a pretty good form of government (despite Churchill's comment that "Democracy is a terrible system, except when you consider all the others!") and we really ought to try it sometime. . . .

This may be the time to call attention to THIS again. I read it some time back and found it to be very enlightening. I often use it for reference. If you read the Publisher's Weekly review (scroll down a bit), it will give you a sort of highly abbreviated Cliff's Notes version of what the book is all about.

Well worth reading. The book, I mean.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Jul 06 - 07:30 PM

By all means, Don, make the best choice you feel is available. That's what I do at election time.

Troll - I have many times suggested a solution. My solution is to abolish all political parties forever and elect individuals instead who are not connected with any party and not funded by any party or private backers. Instead, fund them all equally from a public election fund, so they all have an equal chance to put their ideas on the table, and let the candidate with the best ideas win. Then form a non-partisan government, debate policy, vote...2/3 vote required to pass all legislation.

That's a start.

You say I don't have solutions? Not so. I merely have solutions that the ruling $ySStem has not the slightest intention of ever allowing to be even debated, let alone put into effect, because it would mean the end of their oligarchy of rich and powerful men.

Troll, I know I am living in a deluded society, drunk on its own mythology and foolishness. That's okay. I intend to live a happy and useful life anyway, regardless, I am doing so, and I know perfectly well that the world is not going to become exactly the way I would like it to be before I die, because I'm just not that important in the greater scheme of things.

And that's okay! ;-) I will continue to comment on anything political that interests me, simply because it interests me.

That's part of the fun of being here, after all.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 Jul 06 - 06:54 PM

"I could not in good conscience vote for either of those 2 parties."

Well, Little Hawk, I see a problem there. I agree that both parties in general serve the interests of big business. But as you say, there is a difference. And given the established record of progressive-leaning third parties doing little more than drawing votes away from the Democrats with the ultimate result that the Republicans (who don't even give lip-service to anything vaguely resembling social programs, and the Dems at least give that much) win, thereby defeating their own purpose, in good conscience one must make a choice when voting time comes along, or simple stay home and glower at the wall. In short, give up. Of course, rather than staying home on election day, one can sop one's conscience by voting for one of the third party candidates, but that accomplishes nothing save being able to feel smug about one's sense of personal integrity, no matter how short-sighted and self-defeating it may be under the current circumstances.

I still maintain that Thom Hartmann's article, which I have linked to on several of these threads (so here it is YET AGAIN), is the way to go.

But what Hartmann recommends takes getting out there and getting involved. It takes a lot of time and it's a lot of work. Most people, it seems, would rather just sit back and belly-ache. The attitude seems to be "Let George do it." Well, that's the problem! George is doing it!

Remember, only you can stamp out flaming ducks!

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Naemanson
Date: 17 Jul 06 - 06:15 PM

Ah, sitting here on the sidelines watching you guys talk about who is bad and who is worse can be quit entertaining. Here in Guam we are stuck with whoever you elect because we cannot vote in national elections.

A large part of the local economy depends on spending by the two big military bases on the island so most of the community would be staunch republicans if it did any good. Bush is The Man for them. The Republicans are seen by the locals as being the party that pushes military spending and expansion of bases. It certainly has helped out here. The bases get lots of money and now we are getting an expansion of 8,000 Marines that have worn out their welcome in Japan.

The basic rule of thumb when it comes to politics is this. Watch a politician's mouth. If it is moving then he is lying.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Troll
Date: 17 Jul 06 - 05:32 PM

You can "if only" all you want but the hard, cold fact is that Nader took votes away from the democrats candidates.

In 2000, my home county went solidly for Nader.
Those votes, cast for Gore, would have beaten Bush handily. Please don't beat the stolen election dead horse. It simply isn't germain here. Nader got several thousand votes in Alachua Co. Fla. and that alone would have elected Gore.

L.H. instead of complaining about the present state of politics and political parties ad nauseum, why don't you suggest a better system. We all know what you don't like and what you would like to see happen.

So tell us how you would MAKE it happen.

Or is it easier to curse the darkness than to light a candle.

troll

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Jul 06 - 04:08 PM

I wouldn't say there's no difference between them, Don, and overall I prefer the Democrats somewhat. However...what I do say is that the big machines which run the Democratic and Republican parties AS parties are both utterly corrupt, and they both serve the same essential interests: big business, the "defence" industry, and the big banks.

There will always be a few honest politicians with real ideals elected in the mix, such as those you mentioned...but the big machine that controls the parties' financially has only two concerns: staying in power and enlarging its power.

And therein lies the problem. I could not in good conscience vote for either of those 2 parties. I could, however, vote in good conscience for an individual local representative or senator from either of those parties, I suppose, if I were really convinced they were worth voting for.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Don Firth
Date: 17 Jul 06 - 03:57 PM

Washington State has two Democratic senators and at least a couple of Congressional representatives who give the lie to the canard that the Democratic Party is no different from the Republican Party, and from my observations, I'm pretty sure that my state is not unique in that.

Senator Patty Murray (D) delivered an impassioned speech to Congress on the eve of the vote to give Bush discretionary war powers, arguing strongly against it. And she has been a severe critic of the Bush administration all along. She has earned herself the epithet "Taliban Patty" from Right-Wing media commentators because of her unequivocal position. Senator Maria Cantwell (D) disappointed me when she voted in favor of giving Bush war powers, but since then she has changed her position, and among other things, has managed to stymie the Bush administration's efforts to give free rein to oil and timber companies to exploit the few remaining wilderness areas. She's the junior senator from Washington State, and there's hope for her yet. Long-term Democratic Congressional Representative from Washington's Seventh District, Jim McDermott, has been a very loud critic of the Iraq war since well before the war started, and is a royal pain in the ass to the Bush administration on several issues. He has an admirable progressive voting record, as does the younger Jay Inslee, also from Washington State.

I think if one were to run through a list of the Democratic senators and representatives for most states (without even going through the list myself, a few names pop into mind:   Reps. Nancy Pelosi and John Murtha, and Sen. Robert Byrd), one can readily see that when people write off the Democratic Party as merely an echo of the Republicans, they simply do not have the facts. I spend a fair amount of time watching C-SPAN, so I can actually see and hear what these folks are saying and doing rather than just listening to some news commentator's idea of what they're about, and I make special note of the super at the bottom of the screen so I know who they are, where they're from, and which party they belong to. It becomes patently clear that, in the Democratic Party, for every Joe Liebermann for example, you have several Russ Feingolds.

When people say there is no difference between the two parties, it reveals the unfortunate fact that those actually believe this statement are not part of the informed electorate that Thomas Jefferson said would be necessary if democracy is to survive in this country.

Don Firth

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Jul 06 - 01:24 PM

And when computers count the vote, he who controls the computer software decides.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: kendall
Date: 17 Jul 06 - 01:17 PM

Those who vote decide nothing. Those who COUNT the votes decide everything, (Josef Stalin)

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Greg F.
Date: 17 Jul 06 - 11:58 AM

Dean a Nutcase?

And Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, Rove aren't

Just more Bu[ll]Shite nonsense that for some inexplicable reason a substantial segment of the [moronic?] U.S. population believes.

The Neo-Con motto: No Facts Need Apply.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Jul 06 - 11:40 AM

The $ySStem decides ahead of time who will win a presidential nomination. Dean never had a hope. They simply had to watch him like a hawk and wait for an opportune moment to find something that would embarass him...then make sure it got played up big on the news over and over again, until it was all people thought of when they heard the name "Howard Dean". And so, you had "the scream", which actually didn't matter at all in any real sense. If it had not been "the scream" it would have been something else. There's always something.

One of our Canadian politicians, Robert Stanfield, had his career rather crippled merely by being photographed one day eating a half-peeled banana! (something that everybody does now and then) He was endlessly made fun of by cartoonists for years afterward, who would depict him with decidedly ape-like features, standing there holding his half-peeled banana. This was perpetrated on a man who was a decent, reasonable, intelligent person.

Another of our Canadian politicians was not very well known when he got nominated and won his party's leadership. His name was Joe Clark. Since he wasn't very well known at the time, some wag christened him "Joe Who?" The name stuck. He was ridiculed as "Joe Who" throughout his entire lengthy career. This again was done to a decent, reasonable, intelligent person.

Neither Joe Clark nor Robert Stanfield were people whom I necessarily would have voted for at any particular juncture...though there is some chance I might have...they were both Conservative Party members. So I'm not pointing this out for leftist partisan reasons. I'm pointing it out because it was unscrupulous treatment of decent men...just like the media "scream" coverage of Dean was.

Politics is a very dirty game...and it's a rigged game. The electorate is primed by the media to vote for the men the $ySSTem wants in office.

Why? Follow the money trail. Lawyers, guns, and money. That's the whole story right there. There IS no real democracy.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Amos
Date: 17 Jul 06 - 09:43 AM

Dean was distorted into looking like a nutcase by the audio equivalent of Photoshop, taking his crowd-roar number out of context and exagerrating the wild-eyed sound of it. In fact he's a pretty sober and analytical guy and a good manager. He would have made a better President than Bush, but I don't know how well he could have handled the depth of corruption that colors all the days of DC.

A

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Jul 06 - 09:25 AM

Old Harry never minced words
Bush minces the English language.

But today he didn't mince words when he stupidly said into an OPEN MIKE ...
"those Syrians need to stop this SHIT!"
verbatum GWB

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: kendall
Date: 17 Jul 06 - 06:33 AM

Truman also said he would kick that critic in the balls. Bess was mortified, but everyone who had a daughter understood his anger.
Old Harry never minced words, and we always knew where he stood.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Little Hawk
Date: 17 Jul 06 - 12:20 AM

You're absolutely right, Roscoe. There are people working for peace in Israel and people working for peace in the Muslim countries too...for the simple reason that they respect other people and don't particularly want to kill anyone.

But...you won't hear about it on the news much. That's because bad news gets way more attention and that makes the commercial sponsors of the news VERY happy! And it makes warmongers like George Bush and Osama Bin Laden VERY happy too!

The fact is, most of the ordinary people in the world would much rather have peace and get along with their neighbours if their governments and political leaders would just leave them alone. But that's not going to happen, not while there's oil to steal, nukes to manufacture, and weapons industries that need to keep selling new and more deadly weapons.

They love your lust for vengeance and slaughter. It keeps them gainfully employed.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 11:50 PM

I'll bet that in Israel right now there are a small number of idiot peaceniks telling their govnerment to stop this war right now. It is not nice. Soldiers are getting killed. Quit trying to make is think there is a terrorist menace so you can control us and exploit us.

Then they all get together in some chat room or blog so they can and agree with each other to reinforce their fucked up thinking.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Peace
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 10:22 PM

And the other half minute had REALLY bad words.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Peace
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 10:19 PM

That was all on tape 342. That's why Nixon erased those 18 minutes. It was all bad words.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Little Hawk
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 05:21 PM

I figure that most of them swore like troopers off the record. Nixon's error was that he taped it all.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: Peace
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 04:38 PM

"You should have seen Truman take on a music critic who panned Margaret's singing."

I believe he said words to the effect: "I'll punch the sonuvabitch in the nose."

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: CarolC
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 04:35 PM

Preferential voting seems like a very good idea as well.

But I think that any movement that would seek to get preferential voting or proportional voting established in all states should definitely not be tied to or associated with any other issues, or any particular political philosophies. It won't work unless it can serve all voters regardless of their issues or political philosophies.

It's about process rather than interests.

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST,Mike Miller
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 04:33 PM

I could care less what a candidate has to hide about anything except who is paying for his campaign. FDR was a haughty adulterer, JFK was an insatiable adulterer, Clinton was a tasteless adulterer.
They were also, among the most progressive presidents we have had. You think that Dean went on a rage? You should have seen Truman take on a music critic who panned Margaret's singing. It was the saltiest language from the oval office until the Nixon tapes were released. Any politician who has the guts to stand up to the AMA/Insurance/Drug complex has my respect and my support. Any politician who is willing to risk the charge of weakness and lack of patriotism to end an unwinnable war has my support. I dont care if he wears his underwear on the outside.
The real reason that a third party candidate can't win is that so many people who might support a third party are convinced that their votes would be wasted. Who, do you think, is doing the convincing?
Aren't you all sick and tired of throwing away your votes on candidates who do not stand for what you stand for? Little Hawk has it right. If Kerry had won the election, we would be seeing the same threads and the same complaints. Then, who could we blame?

                         Mike

Subject: RE: BS: Repubicans The Party Of Death
From: GUEST,Tom Fenner
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 03:14 PM

Kerry killed his Hero statice when he refused to release his Military records. For a public figure to do that, it gives the impression that he has something to hide, and in politics, perception trumps everything. Kerry may well be the hero he tries to project, but people will always wonder what he has to hide.