BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 16 Jul 06 - 07:29 AM

Do you not believe Catholic, that Jesus loves sinners?

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: GUEST,catholic
Date: 15 Jul 06 - 02:43 PM

the fact is JESUS loves you and Ian Paisley

Why do you speak on his behalf with such arrogance? Your ego is huge. How do you know who jesus loves and doesn't love? And are there not scholars more learned than you to make that judgement? You have a high opinion of yourself.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jul 06 - 11:19 AM

And Keith too.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: GUEST,robbo
Date: 15 Jul 06 - 09:25 AM

not a looney just somebody changed by jesus from a violent no hoper who hated everybody to someone who cares about people it doesent matter what you think or say about me the fact is JESUS loves you and Ian Paisley

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jul 06 - 08:39 AM

Your right Keith, faith in the answer. Well said

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jul 06 - 08:34 AM

since when were you spokesperson for Jesus christ robbo? You think highly of yourself. Such ego, arrogance

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: GUEST
Date: 15 Jul 06 - 07:43 AM

O No can Robbo be Ian Paisley?, have we not got enough looneys on this Site without another bible thumper.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: GUEST,robbo
Date: 15 Jul 06 - 07:13 AM

JESUS loves every race of people nomater who they are or what you have done He cares about you He wants to be your freind and talk to you try speaking to him because he will answer you.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: GUEST,robbo
Date: 15 Jul 06 - 05:58 AM

why cant you all just accept that Jesus is Lord and get saved then we will live in peace and harmony because instead of thinking we are christian because we are born in a so CALLED christian country that really isnt you will be christian and learn to love one another so think about it JESUS died for you to set you free so turn to HIM instead of your bitterness

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: GUEST,dandruff
Date: 15 May 06 - 03:31 PM

Aye, ya like big Arlene then, fine bird alright, saw her a locka weeks back in the Textile Hall, danced her twice. No husband there now. Never know ya could be in there big lad !

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: GUEST,dandruff
Date: 15 May 06 - 03:21 PM

Bout ya Willie. Did ya get any of the Conference Results ? Haven't heard from ya since ya were seeing that lad with the healing Crystals, did ya get any luck with a cure yet ?
Anyway good luck big lad.
Billy

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: GUEST,Wee Willie from up the Falls
Date: 15 May 06 - 03:04 PM

Wee Wille joins the 200 Club

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: GUEST,Wee Willie from up the Falls
Date: 15 May 06 - 03:03 PM

That fella Wallis has made a right pig`s ass of this Thread, I am sorely disappointed to see Gillian exposed, [wish I had seemn that sight].
I was enjoying Gillians supporting notes for the DUP and its fellow shit-houses in crime the DUP, please Gillian do come back and let me know if you put a nice word in for me with the beautiful Arlene Foster.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: Geoff Wallis
Date: 15 May 06 - 02:39 PM

Oh, and I should have mentioned that the message sent from 'Norman Stronge' was another hoax. Stronge was the Stormont Speaker shot in 1981. The Northern Ireland telephone book reveals nobody called 'Brookbourgh' living in the Six Counties. Furthermore, various Irish genealogical sources fail to come up with the 'Brookbourgh' name.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: Geoff Wallis
Date: 15 May 06 - 02:10 PM

I know the identity of 'Gillian Brookbourgh'. See 'her' previous contributions to the BS: BNP and folk music thread and 'her' attempts there to wind up Mudcat contributors.

'She' is certainly not a woman, can't spell 'Brookeborough' correctly, and has a knowledge of Northern Ireland politics which is laughable at best and diabolical at worst.

I won't name names, but let's say that Gillian lives far away from Epping and haunts areas in the region of West Clare.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: GUEST
Date: 15 May 06 - 11:10 AM

Yes

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: GUEST
Date: 14 May 06 - 12:39 PM

what rally in balham? A BNP rally?

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: GUEST
Date: 14 May 06 - 05:40 AM

It is not a case of case of blatant hypocrisy GUEST. Obvisiously you didn't attend the rally in Balham recently in which the speaker openly called for gays in Britian to be subjected to compulsory aids testing and to outlaw gay marriages and if two men are seen kissing in the street, act accordingly. And the speaker called for the release of David Copeland, the man charged with the bombing of the gay bar the Admiral Duncan.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: GUEST
Date: 14 May 06 - 04:50 AM

In the event of the abolition of Clause 28 nationally, BNP councillors will seek a local referendum asking parents for their backing for a local prohibition on the teaching of homosexuality as an alternative lifestyle choice.

This is from their 2006 manifesto.

So let's face, now Section 28 is out the window this was bound to happen sooner or later as they've already got plans to teach 'gay sex' in Sex Education lessons in schools.

While it is not the fault of individual homosexuals that the government push this agenda it is the fault of the so called "Gay Rights Lobby" who constantly contradict themselves by claiming "our sexuality shouldn't be an issue" yet are always the first to scream "homophobia" when things don't go their way. What consenting adults get up to in the privacy of their own homes is their business as long as it doesn't involve children or animals. But what a lot of ordinary people object to is the way that such a lifestyle is being forced upon them, usually through the mass media.

This is from here: http://www.bnp.org.uk/articles/lgbt_month.htm

Where are you reading that they want it banned? I want to know, because if you where, it is a case of blatant hypocrisy.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: GUEST,Bryn
Date: 13 May 06 - 02:50 PM

Smash the nazis by any means necessary!
Bryn Coch

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: GUEST,Paul Berry
Date: 13 May 06 - 02:02 PM

That is not true though. Their manifesto says they don't want it banned??????????

Sorry friend, read their site regarding acts of homosexually. Why do you think they are promoting it ? Check all manifesto's within last five years and you will find it. No one said which one.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: GUEST
Date: 13 May 06 - 01:36 PM

and it is not good enough to say, "because the people were duped", because they you insult the voter and you could actually say the same for any party. Tories claim public were duped by labour, vice versa, lib dems claim both duped public, all parties claim the BNP duped the public.

What a stupid comment

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: GUEST
Date: 13 May 06 - 01:32 PM

A British National Party councillor appears to be involved in making a gay porn film. Now these creeps are out banging the drum against gays and are calling for the act to be outlawed!

That is not true though. Their manifesto says they don't want it banned??????????

Why are you now lying? This doesn't help the issue

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: clairerise
Date: 13 May 06 - 09:07 AM

yes you are right. i was going off news reports on election night. but just looked up some other parties and greens are equally represented.

What do you think though about issues of democracy?

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: Bunnahabhain
Date: 13 May 06 - 08:55 AM

Really the 4th Largest political party in Britian?

Tory, Libdem, Labour.

What about the SNP, and Plaid Cymru? They must have more than 50 councillors. They've got proper MPs and all sorts

The DUP and Sinn Fein probably have as well. Not sure about the Greens, or UKIP.

Not forth, but definitly too big....

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: clairerise
Date: 13 May 06 - 08:31 AM

I dont think you can just ban a political party. think of this, they now what? 50+ councillors plus, how do you explain the benefits of democracy to all the voters who chose to vote BNP by banning the party they voted for? 50+ councillors makes them the 4th political party in Britain. That is scary!

and it is not good enough to say, "because the people were duped", because they you insult the voter and you could actually say the same for any party. Tories claim public were duped by labour, vice versa, lib dems claim both duped public, all parties claim the BNP duped the public.

Democracy is not perfect, but it is its imperfections that make it a democracy. Only way to beat the BNP is by helping the other parties.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: GUEST
Date: 13 May 06 - 08:03 AM

Do you think the BNP should be banned?

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 13 May 06 - 12:46 AM

well without being simplistic, what really gets me pissed off about about politics is that people see no connection between cause and effect. I'd make a lousy politician, because I just tend to see people who don't see the connections as fucking idiots.

You can blame Blair I suppose for radicalising a section of the Muslim population - getting us involved in Iraq. And that in turn has a knock on effect, because the more vociferous that minority get - the more threatened the rest of us feel in a post 7/7, 9/11 world.

However, we can't elect anybody else apart from Labour, as the tories have this agenda of seeing the rich allright top priority.. And you can always make thing a bit more 'efficient', secure a few more tax breaks for the really stinking rich with the loss of a few million jobs. And didn't this BNP gang secure its present toehold in all those years when Thatcher and Tebbit were robbing whole areas of the country of their self rspect by closing down major industries - as though it had as little consequence as closing down an unprofitable corner shop.

the reason politics is called politics and not idealism is that there are choices to be made. Because he supports the idea of the wealth of the country being more evenly spread, Blair and his party (much as it might stick in your craw) are the best anti BNP vote.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 12 May 06 - 11:58 AM

Well said ifor.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: GUEST,IFOR
Date: 12 May 06 - 11:45 AM

At the core of the BNP is anti semitism-the hatred of Jewish people.Scratch any of the active members of the BNP and you will find a barroom bigot seeting with hatred for Jews ,blacks and moslem people.
But to get at them they also have to attack trade unionists,socialists and many others who are opposed to their nazi policies.
This is the collection of misfits and thugs who laugh and taunt the survivors of the holocaust..who claim it never happened....who have been photographed and taped giving the Hitler salute and who boast of their race hatred.
Support Unite Against Fascism and stand up to these creeps...they have been beaten back in the past and can be beaten back in the future.
No platform for racists or nazis !! Stop the BNP!!
ifor

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 May 06 - 11:42 AM

I admit I did not know that hannam had been a member in the distant past.
Sorry.
Those street demonstrators were clear about what they were protesting against, and the always rock solid SinnFein vote in that area collapsed after those events, so not just a few individuals and one family.

For myself, I despise all the paramilitaries.
Keith.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 12 May 06 - 10:13 AM

So lets get it straight Keith you were wrong regarding Hannam. Right now that's been established along with the fact you stated that officials from a respectable democratic party were involved in destroying eveicence. Again your facts without evidence, so fair to say you've been proved wrong again.

Regarding the two street protests down in the Strand. A lot of this was down to this dislike of certain individuals and one family who lived in the area. I know I am on the ground.

I could give you many examples Keith of murders which you were not so quick of the mark with the usual verbal condemnation. Speak straight if you are going to speak. These attacking posts of yours are always aimed at the Provisional Irish Republican Army.

So you don't like the Provo's, think I can live with that. Just don't try to cloak your dislike of them and use any opportunity such as this domestic violent innocent in which a man lost his life to spew your anti Republican propaganda.

As I said, your views on the movement are of little importance.

Now if you have anything to add please get back on the rails and aim your inner dislikes at the BNP. That's if you do dislike them ?

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 May 06 - 08:22 AM

The events took place in The Shortstrand.
Dozens of residents were present.
Mass hallucination?
There were very large anti Sinn fein and IRA street demonstrations.
Such a thing in a Nationalist area never happened before or since.
They could demonstrate all together, but you can only testify one at a time.
Hard when The Boys know where you live.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 May 06 - 08:14 AM

I checked that he was not a member, but I did not realise that he had been one.
Harsh judgement Ard Mhacha.
Keith.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: ard mhacha
Date: 12 May 06 - 07:52 AM

I remember Hannam, Keith remembers what he wants to remember.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 12 May 06 - 07:49 AM

Sadly he was before my time Paul. Sounds like I would of enjoyed him !

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: Paul Burke
Date: 12 May 06 - 07:46 AM

Hannam was a member for quite a while. Don't youy remember?

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 12 May 06 - 07:37 AM

Thank you Keith, you use the word accusation in your last post.

Whereas in your previous post you used the sentence,
officials from a respectable democratic party were involved.

I doubt any court in the land would convict anyone on your opinions or of those living in the Strand.

So really all you are stating is an accusation based on what you and some residents, not all residents of the Strand think. No proof, conviction or credible merit. Interesting.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 May 06 - 07:07 AM

Hannam is not a member.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: Paul Burke
Date: 12 May 06 - 06:42 AM

"I can not remember ever reading a post by a Mudcat member supporting or justifying either the BNP or Loyalist paramilitaries or sectarian violence."

Forgotten our lovable Dave Hannam already?

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 May 06 - 06:02 AM

The accusation came from most of the population of the (Nationalist)Shortstrand as I recall.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 12 May 06 - 05:08 AM

With no desire to see this thread heading yet again towards an Irish issue. Please note remarks regarding a political party being involved in any form of skulldugery stand without substance or factual proof in any court of law. Nor has political sanctions been imposed by the government on any party because of it. Which makes this remark amount to nothing more than slander or malicious gossip created by those with an ulterior motive or agenda.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 May 06 - 04:25 AM

I think what I was trying to say in my last post was basically that the message of the far right with its simplistic tales of racial purity is a road the world has been down once, and we sure as hell don't want to go down again.

I was not advocating cowardice. But the way forward is surely pride in our considerable achievements as a multi racial society, and education of our young folk.

Street Fighting Man is a good theme for a rock song, but I'd hate to think the fate of our nation depended on anybody who wanted to be regarded as such.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: Big Al Whittle
Date: 12 May 06 - 04:07 AM

I live a few miles from a BNP shrine. The place where the lead singer of Skrewdriver used to live. Occasionally they have camps round here, sort of rallies I guess.

What I would say is, if you're thinking of campaigning on the streets as the opening post suggests - go carefully, they're scary looking fuckers.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 12 May 06 - 03:35 AM

I can not remember ever reading a post by a Mudcat member supporting or justifying either the BNP or Loyalist paramilitaries or sectarian violence.
Individual acts of violence in NI do not usually generate posts on this forum.
The McCartney murder itself did not.
The thread you refer to was a debate between those who were appalled that officials from a respectable democratic party were involved in destroying eveicence and intimidating witnesses and the bereaved, and those who were not.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 11 May 06 - 05:28 PM

I fully agree The Observor. I was involved in that thread you mention and because I am a republican I took a hammering for it by some members. What happened in Ballymena has been happening there for 40 years, if not more. Looks like some are being charged for it tomorrow according to local news. BNP have a strong foothold in Ballymena and several D.U.P. members shared platforms with them. Once went to a party in Ballymena when I was a student, found out I was a cathoilc by birth, I don't practice a faith by the way. I was one of the lucky ones, a girl warned me plans were underway to deal with me in the house ! Sobered up and legged it !

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: GUEST,The Observor
Date: 11 May 06 - 03:55 PM

Another young 15 year old schoolboy beaten to death in Ian Paisleys Ballymena heartland, not a word from all of those people on this site who had numerous letters when Robert McCartney was killed, Ballymena is real red-neck land associated with our BNP friends.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: GUEST
Date: 11 May 06 - 03:20 PM

That's a well known BNP undercurrent over in UK divis. They particularly like to photograph young boys in nazi uniform. Even their beloved leader Nick was linked in the past. Today's revelation I think will open the floodgates for a few more. Trouble with organizations like that is if they upset the members they have many skeletons to rattle.

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: Divis Sweeney
Date: 11 May 06 - 02:43 PM

A British National Party councillor appears to be involved in making a gay porn film. Now these creeps are out banging the drum against gays and are calling for the act to be outlawed!

The Evening Standard claims to have a copy of a film produced and directed by Richard Barnbrook described as "Marxist gay cinema from conceptual artist Barnbrook."

He is the London co-ordinator of the BNP, which has promised to remove homosexuality from society, deeming it 'wrong and unhealthy for any community."

The film, HMS Discovery, A Love Story, contains scenes of men undressing and touching each other, coupled with nudity and sexual activits.

I know I advised to ignore these guys, but surely Gillian has something to add ????????????????????????????????????????????

Subject: RE: BS: Who will campaign against the BNP?
From: akenaton
Date: 11 May 06 - 01:24 PM

Terry K......Well said brother!!

As you know very well......Reason is the deadly enemy of Racism and Fascism.
Sloganising and childish name calling only serve to obscure the roots of any problem.....Ake