BS: I Love this Idea

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 20 Mar 16 - 06:06 AM

The green flash is real, it can be explained by ordinary laws of physics and, best of all, is eminently photographable. I live in an ideal location for observing it, as for most of the year the sun sets over the Atlantic. Raggytash will confirm that. We were having a pint at the Bay View Inn, conditions were ideal and he was poised ready with his camera. Unfortunately, it's possible to be so preoccupied with the zoom and the little screen to get your composition right that you can forget to look at the sun at the crucial moment. Think how hard it is to catch a flash of lightning with a single shot when you're waiting for it, finger poised on the button. I reckon you'd see the green flash from here maybe ten times a year if you were really vigilant. Unscientifically, I've worked out that your chances are best if:
the sky is completely free of mist or dust haze
there is no cloud at all near the setting sun
the sea surface is smooth, unruffled by too much wind

I reckon your best bet is to shoot the sun with a good video camera with proper optical zoom, not an iPhone. It's worth trying the burst setting on a stills camera, though on the modest cameras I use this yields lower quality shots than taking single shorts on the best quality setting.

When conditions are ideal you'll always get a little clutch of people on the beach at Widemouth Bay trying to get that shot. I think you'd be better off raised a good few metres above sea level, or standing on a clifftop. Or in my back garden, 100 feet above sea level. :-).

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 20 Mar 16 - 03:01 AM

Probably The Noodly One foretelling his dire prognostications Joe...

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Joe Offer
Date: 20 Mar 16 - 12:36 AM

The alcohol-soaked Q-Tip makes me worry about setting myself on fire, but it also brought something to mind. People often talk about a "green flash" that occurs at sunset. Can't say I had ever seen it, but now I don't know. I was taking pictures of the sunset on the Pacific Coast at Ventura, California, a couple weeks ago. As the sun was setting, there was a splotch of metallic green around it. The color lingered for a few seconds. So, was that the green flash, or was my eyesight distorted from having looked at the sun?

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Mar 16 - 10:58 PM

The preceding was the tame stuff culturally speaking.
I posted 8 or 9 years ago about the structures in the brain that allows conscious beings to see a little bit into the future.

Don't worry I am not here to trick anyone or commit a con by claiming I am from the future or any such stupid hoax.

Its just that all the conditions for me to spend 40 years considering esoteric pursuits of exploring reality and high strangeness, were satisfied. How far down the rabbit hole you go is determined by the questions asked, not the popular answers scattered about everywhere.

AH ha, there goes my irrelevant alarm again. It tells me to quit before I sound like a complete ass hole. Crap, too late.

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Mar 16 - 10:26 PM

If you lit a alcohol soaked q tip and made slow circles with it in the dark you would see a ghost light of the Q tip follow an inch or two behind the real Q tip.

Did you see a vortex of vapor ignition? You could test and see if blocking the rear of the lit Q tip with a small card.

I think we see an illusion. It is called the persistence of vision.
The slowness of the chemical processes of the eye, the re charging chemicals in the eye takes time. This may be the reason for the second ball of faint light.

We see the present in the past, or a physicist would say time is an illusion depending upon your perspective.

With child like eyes we can see the deepest mysteries of the universe.



The water "universe" table by vibrating water at high frequency you can drop and watch tiny balls of silicon float on top and assemble into typical sub atomic structures. With low angle light you will see waves made by the balls bouncing on the water. These are special pilot waves, something we do not see on the lake in the real world but normally only in the quantum universe. The waves flow out in the direction of the tiny silicon balls forward movement.

On rare occasions we do we see what is right before us. In fact if you don't have a frame of reference, something real in front of you is invisible. This idea I presented 15 years ago.

It is our brain that tries to make time predictable and lend a smoothness to motion in your vision. If you did not allow your brain to modify vision you might see the micro flicker of florescent light or the stop action grainy stacking of time slices of trucks going down a distant highway or a conductors baton actually stop and start in tiny time slices. Jerky motion can cause survival difficulties. Its good we modify the perception of time motion.

Our senses are posed right at the precipice of chaos. If they were much more sensitive they would reveal more about chaos than the smoothness we think is reality.

I do not mean any of this to sound complex. If anything it is pure simplicity.



Now if I wanted to be dramatic I could talk about how time stops inside a black hole and the black hole is right now in the process of a colossal explosion but it is in such slow motion because of the extreme slow motion (curvature of spacetime) the explosion will probably never be seen by man.
There will be a time they will start going off as if it is all at once growing evermore frequent.

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Mar 16 - 07:49 PM

My limited flights of imagination, though never constrained by dismal Godliness, are as nothing compared with yours, Donuel. I don't understand three quarters of that post, but the sheer wildness of it is appealing.

Do you ever just do something to watch what happens with no expectations to see what happens? Do you undertake rudderless tasks to understand the interactions. I have always noticed there are changeable interactions of a thing, more than there is just a thing itself.
To see interactions geometrically it is like mentally taking a dozen balloons with different properties, effect one another from heat or cold or vector compression and make various shapes because of the nature of each balloon. It can be as complex as fluid dynamics or simple as dry sand and wind. These games or simple aimless playing can be a waste of time or a grand taste of time.

Be it a lit alcohol soaked
Q tip ignited in a dark closet and moved slowly in a circle while you
watch the Q tip.

OR building a model universe and watching it to see what happens under various energies in space.

I love it.

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Mar 16 - 07:46 PM

If you make a universe table*
with multiple vibration sources you will get a diffraction pattern with areas where the water will fountain and subtraction zones of low tides. Depending upon the power of the vibrations the water can spout 6 inches or more.

If you hook speakers under a water bed attached to Styrofoam that resonates you can turn up the bass a get a musical massage. It all about the bass.

If all this sounds crazy just remember, I am a tryer, its most of you guys who are the doers.

With the same stuff you can make a vibrating sex toy or watch quantum events on a visible scale. Seeing with new eyes is an intentional act, or as you might say something you do on faith.



*see previous post

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Mar 16 - 06:47 PM

It sounds like you know the answer but he was really a populist Christian. He later had an office in the W white house in charge of the born again base for Bush. Joe, humans are good at pattern recognition. YOU'RE GOOD AT PATTERNS. You sir are a human being.

anyone;
Do you ever just do something to watch what happens with no expectations to see what happens? Do you undertake rudderless tasks to understand the interactions. I have always noticed there are changeable interactions of a thing, more than there is just a thing itself.
To see interactions geometrically it is like mentally taking a dozen balloons with different properties, effect one another from heat or cold or vector compression and make various shapes because of the nature of each balloon. It can be as complex as fluid dynamics or simple as dry sand and wind. These games or simple aimless playing can be a waste of time or a grand taste of time.

Be it a lit alcohol soaked
Q tip ignited in a dark closet and moved slowly in a circle while you
watch the Q tip.

OR building a model universe and watching it to see what happens under various energies in space.


The way I made a model universe is as follows.

First I needed energetic space. A pan from a commercial bakery was filled with a inch or less of water and secured a speaker under the pan with epoxy. If you not have the means to control the frequencies
you could use a motorized unbalanced weight from a massage pad or chair but have a variable resistor so you can adjust the speed of vibration. Speakers are best. Now we have some energetic space.

Single steady high sounds with enough volume is key.

Now we will add matter to the fabric of space. Silicon lubrication spray works well. It works better than oil.

Tune the vibration to A below high C or A above high C.

If you add a drop of silicon with a tooth pick it should dance upon the top of the water. If it doesn't, adjust frequency until it does



I should not tell you what to look for. It spoils the fun if you are familiar with science or quantum mechanics .

but I doubt anyone will build a universe here.

So what you may see is how multiple drops interact just like quantum particles. You will see what Tesla theorized as the pilot wave.

It is a wave instead of behind a "boat", it is a wave that proceeds the "boat" and points the direction the drops will go in the future.


You can do a double slit experiment. Prompt the drops of silicon to head near the double slits and watch.

You are seeing a particle and its wave interact with an energetic 2D universe! Depending on your imagination and knowledge you may see much more.


Discovery feels good. It might just be a 1 meter circle some place in your yard. If you are open you can discover it and see a larger meaning.

If playing like this feels bad to you its OK you are sure to be good at discovering something. I love the idea of discovery be it in angstroms or millimeters, miles or light years.

I've given you three things to try like a child. If even one fills you with wonder I've done a mitzvah.

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 19 Mar 16 - 06:24 PM

To me, the notion of a conscious universe is a flight of the imagination. It is not an alternative view of the universe because it doesn't remotely begin to challenge any scientific theories about the origin or nature of the universe. But it's good to let your brain take flight every now and then without threatening the science. I make no big claims for a conscious universe. The idea tickles my fancy, that's all. Scientists are not all Spocks.

I note that Joe Offer is so happy with his uncertainty that he cheerfully defends sending children to Catholic schools where they will have their minds stuffed with doctrine that is completely innocent of uncertainty. I mean, read any prayer, study any hymn or attend any service (which is what "Catholic children" are forced to do all the time) and you won't find the merest hint of Joe's uncertainty. As for Steve The Absolutist, I wonder how many times now I've said that I don't know whether there's a God or not. Millions I should think. Or twenty. OK, about eight.

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: GUEST
Date: 19 Mar 16 - 05:48 PM

Heed Joe, he is a guru IMO.

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 19 Mar 16 - 04:21 PM

"I think there is great value in exploring these ideas. Whether or not they are "true," our exploration will most certainly bring us to greater understanding of many things."

Let's not get carried away though. In the end, scepticism is more powerful than 'belief'!

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19 Mar 16 - 04:06 PM

Donuel says: Bottom line is that your assessment is irreligiously correct. I was married by Madeline Murray's son, Bill Murray.

When Murray officiated at your wedding, Donuel, was he atheist or Baptist?

The problem with absolutists, is that they can go from one extreme to the other, being absolutely sure of themselves in both directions. As for me, I think I'm happier with uncertainty.

The aesthetic tastes of non-human animals, the idea of all the universe having consciousness, an alternative to the standard model of the universe. I think there is great value in exploring these ideas. Whether or not they are "true," our exploration will most certainly bring us to greater understanding of many things.

-Joe-

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Mar 16 - 02:46 PM

GOD IS COMING April 2 2016 ngc

not a joke Shim, Jo, sanity.

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Donuel
Date: 19 Mar 16 - 08:20 AM

Wacky wayward and irreligious is the pinnacle of National Lampoon satire. I cartooned religiously along those lines since the Reagan administration. I used to post some here, especially the ones that didn't work hoping for feedback of improvement. With the advent of the Daily show and Colbert my efforts were redundant. But they are gone now and a vacuum is forming. If I am not careful my cartoons tend to become too epic and too dark.
I started a comedy last night called Ocean's 88. It writes itself.

My serious idea involves an unseen energy field force of space that explains entangled phenomena and dark energy inflation.

Its not that my imagination dares to go where others do not dare , its probably just a touch of autism that gives imagination a degree of freedom that acts virtually like an additional dimension at its best. At its worse I may have deficits so severe I overly simplify everything which makes for a pretty funny reality.


Bottom line is that your assessment is irreligiously correct. I was married by Madeline Murray's son,
Bill Murray.
long story but googlable.

btw



APRIL 2ND,      GOD IS COMING!!!

on National Geographic channel hosted by god himself
MORGAN FREEMAN

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 19 Mar 16 - 02:50 AM

Methinks the operative word here is "idea."

🤓

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Joe Offer
Date: 19 Mar 16 - 02:12 AM

Steve Shaw says: And I love the idea of a conscious universe.

So do I.

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 19 Mar 16 - 01:59 AM

Yep, the garden is truly beautiful. I doubt however there are fairies at the bottom of it.

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 19 Mar 16 - 12:25 AM

Then, Steve, it's just a matter, perspective and definition, right?

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Mar 16 - 07:19 PM

And I love the idea of a conscious universe. Why not? I read somewhere that when humans evolved the universe woke up. What an amazing, imaginative notion. Well, we're not just in the universe, we are the universe, Maybe life has evolved billions of times. As intelligent life advances, maybe just here or maybe in billions of places, the universe becomes more and more conscious and becomes intelligent. I see a link with your neurons and synapses, but that could just be metaphorical. But I love it. It's how we should be thinking. The mind taking flight, leaving plenty of room for the real science too, of course. That's entirely possible in a way that is not possible with a Godly bolt-on, the antithesis of science, the antithesis of true imagination, the antithesis of the search for what's really true. I'd rather do wacky anyday. The nuttiness of the truly sane!

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Mar 16 - 07:02 PM

Your imagination is wacky, wayward, irreligious (I especially like that bit), and, in a strange way, "advanced." The perfect foil to the dismal desperadoes who think they see God in this, that or the other (in a starry sky but probably not in dog turds, oddly, even though they're made of exactly the same stuff), then think they can stop looking.   You get me looking proper stuff up, not just stuff in bibles that I need in order to crucify the crucifix aficionados. And there is no brickbat that could ever make you bitter. Kudos!

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Mar 16 - 06:44 PM

Mr. Shaw, You're too kind, real Minister material.

Its all cool. I did not realize I still harbored feelings of persecution from childhood regarding evolution. That tends to happen when you are actually persecuted by a school system.

About the inside outside thing, My intention was to wax poetic about the universe looking like a collection of neurons and dendrites compared to our relatively tiny sub atomic sized brains.

That consciousness may be a series of interactive feedback loops of the inside and outside is one way to look at it. That is a very incomplete idea but it is a decent launching point.


I wrote hundreds of pages about the simple process of perspectives.
I called it the theory of Perspectivism. I do not think it is an important waste of time but since then I have seen an echo of those ideas in books on cosmology. Ah oh there goes my Irrelevant alarm.

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: GUEST,Guest from Sanity
Date: 18 Mar 16 - 06:13 PM

From WAY back:

Donuel: "Consciousness is from the inside out and the outside in. Not from the God perspective in."

Unless one thinks of themselves separate, there is no difference! We are not separate from the whole....unless one believes you are..but then how 'Conscious' can you really be, thinking with only part of your existence??

GfS

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Mar 16 - 05:01 PM

There's a diamond in every crock of shite, even the Mudcat BS department. Don't get bitter, Donuel. This place needs you!

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: GUEST,Avro Arrow
Date: 18 Mar 16 - 03:22 PM

People is People...500 years ago...500 years from now

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Mar 16 - 02:40 PM

I'm bad with names.
I do not want to ascribe a religiocentric point of view on anyone who does not deserve it.

It is just that any Scopes trial discussion of evolution is ridiculous.

When I wrote of Evolution in 7th grade in upstate NY I was expelled until a meeting with my parents could be arranged. If I ignore such arguments where a lucky diamond is stuck inside a goat turd it is my fault for not seeing it. I didn't expect to look for diamonds in such a place.

After 50 years things change but people not so much.

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Donuel
Date: 18 Mar 16 - 01:24 PM

I did not say it was.
I merely started a new sentence assuming everyone knows W I C

Someone once mentioned having an open mind.

There is in my mind 20% truth in the electric universe.

Their problem is trying to make it apply to everything,
similar to what a scant few religious nutters do.

You know who they are, if you know yourself.

Your idea of competition is misplaced.

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: keberoxu
Date: 18 Mar 16 - 12:29 PM

Worlds in Collision....Velikovsky?
By the way, that very title/author is listed in the bibliography for the newest book by Morgan Llywelyn, Only the Stones Survive, in which the sons of Milesios encounter the Tuatha de Danann.

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 18 Mar 16 - 11:41 AM

I'll go along with that. As an SHO, I worked under a microbiology prof who really knew his stuff and was at the forefront of research into tackling anti microbial resistance. At the same time, he buggered off twice a day to his office, four times on a Friday to find his prayer mat. He never ate bacon butties and to my knowledge never got pissed either.

So yeah, science and religion aren't incompatible. Although only insomuch as where they don't meet.

My love of pickled eggs isn't incompatible with my loathing of the junior doctor contract. I like to wear chino trousers but that doesn't stop me downloading The Now Show podcast.

zzzzzzz

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Greg F.
Date: 18 Mar 16 - 11:35 AM

I was arguing that science and religion are not incompatible.
You have completely failed to make the case that they are,

You were indeed, Professor. However, Steve aside, thousands have made the case quite convincingly.

Pick up a book sometime. You could start with "The Martyrdom of Man" by Winwood Reade (1872)

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Mar 16 - 09:52 AM

Wibble.

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Mar 16 - 09:07 AM

Keith knows exactly what he's doing.

I was arguing that science and religion are not incompatible.
You have completely failed to make the case that they are, and as ever revert to personal abuse because you have no other reply.

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 18 Mar 16 - 07:22 AM

Keith knows exactly what he's doing. That's why I'm taking no notice. I have no desire to dragged into yet another interminable round of arguing about who-said-what-using-which-precise-words. He loves it, he twists it, he milks it to death and it gets us nowhere worth going to. We've told Keith, Joe, pete and several other cloth-ears exactly what we mean by belief and what we mean by evidence. Too bad if they don't take it on board. Let it be their problem, not ours. I've taken the same approach with Insaneness-from-Inanity. My life may well be prolonged as a result. Wibble (and I got that straight out of my favourite historical source, Blackadder Goes Forth, and that great historian, Baldrick, isn't dead yet so I must be right).

Liverpool beat Man U 3-1 on aggregate, Europa League. Two brilliant performances, Coutinho a bloody genius. Sorry about that, MikeL2 (like buggery I am)! Thank Ludwig for my five-quid BT Sport sub. How much would Barca pay for little Phil! This is all anyone on earth or in space needs to know or to contemplate for the next 48 hours.

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 18 Mar 16 - 05:11 AM

Steve. Try quoting my post above showing evidence for religion. If you quote me in italics and point out that I am living, eminent* and wrote it within the past twenty years, Keith will accept it.




* My impersonation of Jesus on a rubber cross was once described by Brian Fullard, who used to run the chippy on Coggan St as "excellent." If that level of review doesn't make you eminent, nothing does.

(Which reminds me. Soon be Easter. Time to stock up on Ibuprofen 400mg.)

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Mar 16 - 05:03 AM

No. Why?

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 18 Mar 16 - 04:44 AM

Been dragged up by any good tractor beams recently, KAoH? Just asking ...

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Mar 16 - 03:53 AM

Musket,
allows a few nutters to think that the brains of men whose parents were born in Pakistan are mentally hard wired to be rapists.

Nutters indeed!
Where do you find such fools?

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Mar 16 - 03:48 AM

Donuel, Worlds in Collision was not by Tesla.

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 18 Mar 16 - 03:46 AM

Steve, why is it silly and boring to ask you to justify your assertions??
Is it just that you can't?

You stated,"And in order to espouse religious belief you have to suspend science."

What science do I need to suspend Steve? I am sure I know as much science as you, and I have no problem with any of it!

You stated,"There is plenty of evidence for religion, Keith. "

Produce some then!!

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 18 Mar 16 - 02:59 AM

Go on, I'll fall for it.

Which 20% is true?

Venus doing a flyby of the earth in biblical times? It's "comet trail" releasing hydrocarbons that fell as carbohydrates, thus manna from heaven? The convenient thousand year gaps in history suddenly becoming the same week?

The problem with believing IN rather than accepting (believing?) is that our minds play tricks on us, I think therefore I am. Hence disturbed people who claim to have seen UFOs rarely leave it at that. They usually get dragged up on tractor beams and their minds probed for good measure. Shadows become ghosts, the ball zooming into the back of the Liverpool net becomes ball lightning (😎) and medieval translations of ancient fairy stories start making sense.

A bit of a bugger, the brain. You can only see peripheral vision in monochrome but your brain colours it in to match main vision. It doesn't let us dwell too much on our mortality and in a bizarre double twist, allows a few nutters to think that the brains of men whose parents were born in Pakistan are mentally hard wired to be rapists. No mean feat for evolution, considering Pakistan itself is less than 70 years old..,,

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Mar 16 - 05:22 PM

Very boring, Keith. You're getting very silly. Let's all ignore Keith in this thread, folks.

I shall follow up your links, Donuel. It just hasn't been that kind of day my end.

I don't believe in ball lightning. I simply was there when it happened.

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Mar 16 - 03:52 PM

For your same reasons 'I don't believe in ufo s.
I don't believe in hypnosis.

I simply was there when it happens.

I was also there when it didn't.

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 17 Mar 16 - 03:49 PM

Musket,
I therefore believe it (evolution) to be the case.

Same as me then.

I really hope your pupils weren't told to believe in theories that become outdated.

Why would I?
Belief and understanding need to evolve to encompass new knowledge.

I hope you instead asked them to accept the theories as accurate based on present knowledge.

No. They were expected to know the evidence for ideas like evolution and the big bang, and they chose whether to accept them or not..

Steve, you sneered at my "inexactitude" when I said there was no evidence for religion.
You said there was plenty. Why will you not share it?

I also asked what science contradicted faith. Still waiting.

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Mar 16 - 03:45 PM

The 'if then' test for the electric universe theory.

IF the electric universe s true

then all we need to do is sting horizontal loos of left hand twists of wire high atop ungrounded micro wave type towers and draw off 300 volt DC energy.


love the work Tesla did. We depend upon what he did right where we sit right now.

I almost saw the elegance of his 3 pronged view of the electric universe and lost it that day. I have seen his pilot wave theory working in observable reality. He is still ahead of his time.


When we were kids we read Worlds in Collision. I'd say he is 20% correct even today.

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 17 Mar 16 - 01:29 PM

Of course I don't "believe in" evolution. I have it on good authority though that it happens and I accept the concept as plausible. I therefore believe it to be the case.

If I were to believe in it though, I would defend it in the case of compelling evidence to the contrary, should such evidence exist. (Don't get excited pete, I was being hypothetical.)

Musket posted about my doctoral research. Yes, a key element of it has been shown to be flaky at the edges so is only practical within certain parameters. But as I believed my research but didn't believe in it, I was delighted to be out of date. If I believed in it, I might have falsified evidence to support it, a bit like religious people do when their scriptures are questioned. ("When Worlds Collide" is hilarious, as is the dismissive essay about it by Isaac Asimov in "The Stars in their Courses.")

I really hope your pupils weren't told to believe in theories that become outdated. I hope you instead asked them to accept the theories as accurate based on present knowledge.

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 17 Mar 16 - 12:56 PM

Donuel,
instead of making sure you et me know you love god and hate science in all the ways you know how.

Who do you mean? I love science and it has been my whole life.

Steve and Musket,
Scientists do science, but you claim they do not believe in what the do, because they do not believe in science!
Twaddle!

You both say that you do not believe in it either!

Shimrod,
The Big Bang and Evolution are models of reality based on the available evidence.

That is why I believe in it, because I also accept the evidence.
Of course there is no place in science for certainty, but it is bizarre that you claim to accept the evidence but not believe in either!

Musket,

Possibly you and Joe are conditioned to having to "believe in" rather than accept evidence.

I do both, as does Joe.
You accept the evidence but refuse to believe in evolution!!!

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Mar 16 - 12:12 PM

I must warn you!!!

The weak sister of cosmology is the electric theory.

An outsider to astrophysics would have the common sense to take the one or two good ideas out of plasma science and add it to the standard model.

Integration is better than incineration.

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: GUEST,Shimrod
Date: 17 Mar 16 - 11:27 AM

"If you two include yourselves in that, you presumably do not believe in Big Bang or evolution."

The Big Bang and Evolution are models of reality based on the available evidence. No 'belief' involved!

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Steve Shaw
Date: 17 Mar 16 - 11:13 AM

I opened the hundred-minute one, then had to take someone for a hospital appointment. I'm always interested in picking the bones out of what you say. Will keep you posted.

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: Donuel
Date: 17 Mar 16 - 09:03 AM

No one opened the science links or you would be talking about that instead of making sure you et me know you love god and hate science in all the ways you know how.

your strategy is to eventually say something vile enough to erase this science thread.

I hope from now on these religious protestors no longer get Joe's support to close threads of thier choosing or make free science speech a protest event.

Have I any Allies?

Subject: RE: BS: I Love this Idea
From: GUEST,Musket
Date: 17 Mar 16 - 05:17 AM

Possibly you and Joe are conditioned to having to "believe in" rather than accept evidence.

Religion does that to you...

I don't "believe" in science. What an absurd ignorant notion to do so.