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BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?

freda underhill 05 Feb 05 - 07:24 PM
freda underhill 05 Feb 05 - 07:14 PM
Com Seangan 05 Feb 05 - 07:12 PM
McGrath of Harlow 05 Feb 05 - 07:12 PM
freda underhill 05 Feb 05 - 07:07 PM
Big Mick 05 Feb 05 - 06:51 PM
freda underhill 05 Feb 05 - 06:47 PM
Peace 05 Feb 05 - 06:11 PM
Big Mick 05 Feb 05 - 05:58 PM
Peace 05 Feb 05 - 05:07 PM
Big Mick 05 Feb 05 - 04:41 PM
McGrath of Harlow 05 Feb 05 - 12:03 PM
GUEST 05 Feb 05 - 07:56 AM
GUEST,McGrath of Harlow 05 Feb 05 - 07:50 AM
GUEST 05 Feb 05 - 03:27 AM
ard mhacha 04 Feb 05 - 06:57 AM
Stu 04 Feb 05 - 06:53 AM
McGrath of Harlow 04 Feb 05 - 05:39 AM
GUEST,Belfast/N.I./Ireland. 03 Feb 05 - 08:40 PM
GUEST 03 Feb 05 - 07:28 PM
McGrath of Harlow 03 Feb 05 - 06:49 PM
Big Mick 03 Feb 05 - 05:39 PM
ard mhacha 03 Feb 05 - 01:40 PM
Den 03 Feb 05 - 01:36 PM
GUEST,Belfast/N.I./Ireland. 03 Feb 05 - 01:13 PM
McGrath of Harlow 03 Feb 05 - 11:38 AM
GUEST,Belfast/N.I./Ireland. 03 Feb 05 - 10:06 AM
ard mhacha 03 Feb 05 - 07:54 AM
Keith A of Hertford 03 Feb 05 - 07:10 AM
GUEST,DERRY MAN 30 Jan 05 - 06:35 AM
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ard mhacha 22 Jan 05 - 09:48 AM
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Big Mick 17 Jan 05 - 05:12 PM
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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: freda underhill
Date: 05 Feb 05 - 07:24 PM

What are the actual political options for a solution?

possibilities, options, arguments


who would want to live in Northern Ireland? It's so easy to criticise from afar.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: freda underhill
Date: 05 Feb 05 - 07:14 PM

why the IRA splintered


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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: Com Seangan
Date: 05 Feb 05 - 07:12 PM

Well Mow Mowlam (former UK Secretary for N. Ireland) put the cat amomng the political pigeons when asked on the Late Late Show if she thought the IRA was responsible . She said she didn't know. When asked if she personally believed that the IRA did it she said "I believe nothing without evidence".

That should be the response of Bertie Ahern and Tony Blair and all reasonable people. No accusations without evidence. IT is an acute embarrassment to the so-called "intelligence", who now claim that the raid was planned six months in advance and that Gerry Adams knew all about it. A good theory for poiticians who are scarec of the progress of Sinn Fein in elections North and south.

I agree with those who say -it would make a good movie. They did a reconstruction on TV Prime Time in collaberation with the Police. It was really hilarious and a reflection both on the bank security system and the police "intelligence".

Can you imagine any night Security staff at any bank not raising an eyebrow - when a Bank Manager arrives in after midnight and begins pushing out trolleys of "Rubbish" - and loading it on to a lorry - not once but twice ?? Did any of you ever see a Bank Manager push anything ?? And even after the job was done - no questions were asked by Security staff on duty who witnessed the dedicated Bank Manager wirking his but off with Rubbish in the small hours of the morning !!. It was a passer-by who became suspicious and called the Police - who arrived after two hours.

Yes - it woiukld make a good moview - with John Cleese as the Bank Manager and Rowan Atkinson as the Security man on duty.

Aw, yes. It had to be the IRA !! Lig dom.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 Feb 05 - 07:12 PM

One thing is clear - if the people who pulled this off had any kind of political intention, that must been to scupper the peace process. That in fact makes it a lot less likely to have been an officially sanctioned IRA job. Of course there are a fair number of people on all sides who might have that sort of agenda.

And if it was just about the money, without any political intent at all, that doesn't really sound as if the IRA would have been likely to have authorised it.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: freda underhill
Date: 05 Feb 05 - 07:07 PM

It's yet another legacy of the British stragey of divide and conquer. Still divided, still conquered..

Ulster was part of Catholic Ireland until the reign of Elizabeth I (1558–1603) when, after suppressing three Irish rebellions, the Crown confiscated lands in Ireland and settled the Scots Presbyterians in Ulster. Another rebellion in 1641–1651, brutally crushed by Oliver Cromwell, resulted in the settlement of Anglican Englishmen in Ulster. Subsequent political policy favoring Protestants and disadvantaging Catholics encouraged further Protestant settlement in Northern Ireland.

When the Republic of Ireland gained sovereignty in 1922, relations improved between North and South, although the Irish Republican Army (IRA), outlawed in recent years, continued the struggle to end the partition of Ireland. In 1966–1969, rioting and street fighting between Protestants and Catholics occurred in Londonderry, fomented by extremist nationalist Protestants, who feared the Catholics might attain a local majority, and by Catholics demonstrating for civil rights. These confrontations became known as "the Troubles."

35 years later, still divided, Britain is still in control.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: Big Mick
Date: 05 Feb 05 - 06:51 PM

Bruce, don't mistake the intent of my post. It was simply to point out that anyone who calls these fraternal organizations isn't paying attention to the name. My beliefs with regard to the legitimate aims of the Irish people in the North of Ireland are another matter entirely.

I agree, Freda.

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: freda underhill
Date: 05 Feb 05 - 06:47 PM

Just visit Belfast and you'll understand. Just watch some young Catholic kids trying to go to school on their first day, through a gauntlet of screaming Protestant abuse.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: Peace
Date: 05 Feb 05 - 06:11 PM

Too true, Mick. Makes a guy wonder why the very people who saved the English language and produced some of the greatest song and literature take such joy in the killing of each other. The Irish in me is less than 10%, and the family then was Catholic. I grew up Protestant. They're idiots on all three sides. IMO.

Bruce Murdoch


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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: Big Mick
Date: 05 Feb 05 - 05:58 PM

Brucie, as you know, the acronyms are very clear as to what these organizations are. Irish Republican Army and Ulster Defense Force don't leave much room for interpretation.

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: Peace
Date: 05 Feb 05 - 05:07 PM

"If people from the Isle in the North or in Ireland really believe that organisations like IRA or UDF are fraternal clubs, post under your real names."

This post was from me. I did it when the 'cat was down. Back door.

"Rather than follow the practice of unnamed GUESTs?"

So good to have your remark, McG of H. Brought to my attention that my name wasn't attached.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: Big Mick
Date: 05 Feb 05 - 04:41 PM

You first.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 Feb 05 - 12:03 PM

Rather than follow the practice of unnamed GUESTs?


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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Feb 05 - 07:56 AM

If people from the Isle in the North or in Ireland really believe that organisations like IRA or UDF are fraternal clubs, post under your real names.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: GUEST,McGrath of Harlow
Date: 05 Feb 05 - 07:50 AM

But there's no reason to assume that the IRA and the loyalist paras are the only players.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: GUEST
Date: 05 Feb 05 - 03:27 AM

Not strange at all considering it came into the north I forget the name of the port that sails from Wales to Ireland. And you will not convince me that the IRA do not have sympathisers in Wales.

Believe me the loyalists simply do not have the gumption for such an adventure. They would be boasting about it in the local knee breakers.

"area for provies, and quite close to Thiepval British Army barracks."
Now that would make sense would'nt it, lets pull a robbery and have surveillance tape show it coming out of or around Thiepval.

Pathetic thing about this affair is, if the IRA said we did it all the hoo ha would be over with, as TB want N.I. off his hands he will accept almost any transgressions from SF/IRA.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: ard mhacha
Date: 04 Feb 05 - 06:57 AM

How strange that the Van used in the Northern Bank robbery was stolen in north Wales, not a known IRA stronghold, this part of Gwent is close to a British Army Barracks, video footage of the van was also seen in Lisburn, not exactly a welcoming area for provies, and quite close to Thiepval British Army barracks.



The DUP and their ilk tell us that "the dogs in the street know who did the robbery", I foolishley bid an old street cur "good morning" but i`m afraid there was no response, could be old Ian has worked his magic on the prod dogs.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: Stu
Date: 04 Feb 05 - 06:53 AM

Perhaps we have to forego accountability on all sides for the sake of the peace process or else we will be constantly mired in the consequences of past crimes (however you wnat to define them).

What is more disturbing is the lack of moral leadership provided by all the leading parties in NI, as demonstrated by McLaughlin's remarks on McConville, the attitide of Paisley et al and the British Government's consistent avoiding of responsibility for collusion with Loyalist paramilitaries etc.

Moral integrity is the key to making the peace process succesful; at some point someone is going to have to show some.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 04 Feb 05 - 05:39 AM

Better to see the killing of Jean McConville not so much as " a criminal act" but rather as as a "war crime". That doesn't in any way make in any sense less criminal, in some ways worse indeed, but like other war crimes it has different origins from ordinary crimes.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: GUEST,Belfast/N.I./Ireland.
Date: 03 Feb 05 - 08:40 PM

I have to correct myself.

Gerry Adams stated that the murder of R.Connolly(sp?) was not a crime, in other words the IRA do not commit crimes, and people buy into that.

Should be Jean McConville, SF chairman McLaughlin also asserts that her killing was not a criminal act.

Taken from http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/4186887.stm

"The party chairman said the killing of Jean McConville - one of the Disappeared - was not a criminal act. "

Also "The Sinn Fein member also agreed with a remark that the IRA was "the only legitimate government of Ireland".

Mrs McConville, from west Belfast, was abducted and murdered by the IRA after she went to the aid of a fatally wounded British soldier outside her front door in 1972.

The 37-year-old was one of the nine so-called Disappeared people who were murdered by the IRA and secretly buried during the 1970s.

The mother-of-10's remains were found at Shelling Hill beach in County Louth in the Irish Republic in August 2003.

So SF?IRA murder people but that's not crimminal,accepting that they are robbing banks does not take too much of a leap.

Is some accountability too much to ask for?


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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: GUEST
Date: 03 Feb 05 - 07:28 PM

"Now they can go back to terrorizing 8 year old Catholic schoolgirls as they walk to school"

And nothing of the sort ever happens with protestant school children, I suspose stones throw themselves. I do not condone the actions taken by these people during the Holy Cross row, but if I apply the same understanding to the protestors that some apply to SF/IRA I can understand their frustration.

Maybe go as far as calling what is happening in that area as ethnic cleansing, or does violence just visit the Catholics.

In no way do I agree with any terrorist,loyalists are a spent force, as they should be. For me personally I can't wait to see the back of them, they are nothing but bigots out to get what they can. I do not wear rose tinted glasses.

Gerry Adams stated that the murder of R.Connolly(sp?) was not a crime, in other words the IRA do not commit crimes, and people buy into that.

The point is simple I am not saying the IRA did the robbery, what I am saying is that Orde and Ahern have the resources to make the statements that they made.

When we have people who live in a genuine fear of terrorists the concessions that SF has got does not make it look like SF/IRA are bending over backwards, quite the opposite TB is bendin over and taking it up the --=--= How many Army posts ,police stations etc are being taken down much to the dismay of people in the border areas. Maybe their feelings should not be taken into consideration.

This is the problem with supporting terrorists of any kind, it is the people who just want to get on that are caught in the middle.And what happens to them if they speak out, they get labelled with the same old tripe they are either loyalist or nat/rep thugs.

If the truth be told many in Ireland accept that it was the IRA behind the robbery, no agenda just the fact.

Thankfully all this will not stop the peace process if people want it they will have it.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Feb 05 - 06:49 PM

Holding people above suspicion because they are the favourite terrorist organisation is wrong.

It would indeed be wrong. Obviously the IRA is under suspicion. However, they aren't the only ones.

For example: breakaway Republicans raising funds; one-time IRA people using the skills they have acquired; the recognised loyalist paramilitaries; breakaway loyalists; ex-loyalist paras who've gven up on the politics, but are still into the crime; there could even be ex-IRA and ex-loyalist professional gangsters, in it together for the money. Then there's freelance military or police, from either side of the border; or dirty tricks from within the security services, authorised or unauthorised...

Some of these are far-fetched, some less so - but the thing is, nobody actually knows. And the officials who say they do know, but who haven't produced a shred of evidence, cannot be assumed to be trustworthy.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: Big Mick
Date: 03 Feb 05 - 05:39 PM

Say what you want, but the simple fact is that it is all a dance. SF/PIRA have gone far and away beyond what the Loyalists have to make the peace process work. The Loyalists have done everything they can think of to sabotage the process for a very simple reason. They don't want to share power. Their gerrymandered system was set up to give them more power than their numbers indicate. It was designed to keep them at the top of the heap, and they don't want to give it up. And they might have finally succeeded in their desire. They might have scuttled the best chance they had to give the children of the North of Ireland peace instead of war. How nice. Now they can go back to terrorizing 8 year old Catholic schoolgirls as they walk to school

And you folks can go back to blaming everything on the IRA and the Republicans. Congratulations.

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: ard mhacha
Date: 03 Feb 05 - 01:40 PM

Quite simply, supply the evidence before you point the finger at the most convenient target, we have been listening to government lackeys for years spouting out propaganda, the facts buddy the facts, that`s all we want.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: Den
Date: 03 Feb 05 - 01:36 PM

Blair giving Siin Fein chances? You seem to missing the bottom line and that is Loyalists don't want to share power. They never did. The DUP have only taken up the UUP mantle. Its the same old story stall tactic after stall tactic and if it weren't Sinn Fein on the receiving end then it would be any other Nationalist party that could challenge them.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: GUEST,Belfast/N.I./Ireland.
Date: 03 Feb 05 - 01:13 PM

The point being the police named individuals and took action against them. IMO it was a disgrace which deserves a full apology to all concerned.

We have to get away from this untouchable attitude, no natter who it is that breaks the law has to be caught. Holding people above suspicion because they are the favourite terrorist organisation is wrong.

"And the government knew all about these non-existent stocks of WMDs in Iraq?"

Sure they knew, they knew they were wrong, but to suggest TB has any agenda on this issue is wrong. TB wants to dump NI like a hot stone, why has he given SF so many chances.

SF/IRA wants to be part of a democracy and part of that not holding yourself above the law or being your own law maker.

The bottom line is that loyalist would not have the intelligence to know the details that the robbers knew. If you think that loyalists can walk Poleglass and Twinbrook unnoticed you are seriously wrong.

I can understand how people can be sceptical of the government but only to a point.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 03 Feb 05 - 11:38 AM

Maybe it was an IRA operation, maybe it wasn't. But unfounded allegations mean bugger all. Or rather they just mean there is some political game being played.

The police knew who did the Birmingham bombings didn't they? And the government knew all about these non-existent stocks of WMDs in Iraq?

Trusting any of these guys is always likely to be a step too far. Sometimes they get it wrong, and say more than they know; sometimes for policy reasons they say things they know aren't true.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: GUEST,Belfast/N.I./Ireland.
Date: 03 Feb 05 - 10:06 AM

"The IRA may or may not be involved. But there is a little thing called the JUSTICE SYSTEM where these things are rightfully followed through upon, NOT A PRESS CONFERENCE. "


"Agreed Guest, and in UK individal suspects must not be labelled by police or press as probably guilty, nor evidence given against them."



"Personally I have no idea who carried out this raid but I do find Hugh Orde's assertion that he knows it was the IRA is, to say the least, unconvincing."

All above applies to individuals, not a criminal gang,the police have every right to say who they think carried out the robbery, until it comes down to naming individuals, therefore the criticsm is wrong.

In the bad old days when robberies etc were carried out by terrorists the police said either the IRA or UVF etc carried this out. What has changed to make this announcement wrong?

Take the blindfolds for goodness sake, Orde is far from stupid and Aherns advisors know what goes on also. Do not be naive enough to think that SF?IRA does not have a few people planted deep within their ranks.

I just hope that those who support the terrorist do not get on their wrong side, justice is swift and sometimes brutal, just like the latest stabbing.

But then it seems that republicans are complete angel's and can do no wrong, just like their loyalist counter parts. What was their cry "My only crime was being loyal".

Get the F--- off our backs and let us all live in peace, SF?IRA, UDA\LOYALIST apologists should be ashamed off yourselves, defending terrorists, while we in Ireland pay the price.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: ard mhacha
Date: 03 Feb 05 - 07:54 AM

So far no sign of any Northern Bank notes being decommissioned.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: Keith A of Hertford
Date: 03 Feb 05 - 07:10 AM

IRA are so hurt and offended that British and Irish governments think that they could commit such a crime, that they are refusing to decommission any more weapons.
They are vey sensitive people.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: GUEST,DERRY MAN
Date: 30 Jan 05 - 06:35 AM

if were gone give up our guns .well we had 2 get the money from some were 2 buy nice ones so 26.5 milion wiv help us buy a few new stinger missiles .


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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jan 05 - 10:11 AM

If he moves to Killiney there'll be questions. It amazed me how twenty men/women could hoist that amount of money without raising a finger to cause bodily harm. In England at Xmas a shopkeeper was killed for a couple of bottles of spirits.
Fair play.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: ard mhacha
Date: 22 Jan 05 - 09:48 AM

Judging by his baps he may have included some of those notes in the mix.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: GUEST
Date: 22 Jan 05 - 09:25 AM

Aha so the baker's the banker?


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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: ard mhacha
Date: 22 Jan 05 - 05:41 AM

There is an awful lot of that paper money floating about here, Orde and his men have been made to look foolish, to date not a trace of the money, apart from the that which is being used to buy baps, our bread server will take any Northern Bank notes,and he`s not using them to wallpaper the house.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: belfast
Date: 21 Jan 05 - 04:37 PM

There seems to be a disturbing wave of commonsense and reasonableness sweeping through Mudcat. It is interesting to compare the postings in this thread to that which followed the "Stormont Spy Ring" raids. Some of the postings on that thread verged on the hysterical.

Personally I have no idea who carried out this raid but I do find Hugh Orde's assertion that he knows it was the IRA is, to say the least, unconvincing. It does, however, seem to distract the attention of the media and politicians from the amazing incompetence of the RUC/PSNI. Blaming the IRA and raiding the houses of a few republicans seems to keep everyone happy. There was a stolen container full of cigarettes, the Castlereagh break-in, and so on. Then the announcement, "The IRA did it", the raids (with the tv cameras etc invited along) and then …? And then the story goes away. No arrests. No convictions. I can't recall a single IRA member having been arrested and convicted since the ceasfire. The idea remains that the IRA were responsible and the police are doing their job.

A guest back there compares it to the intelligence which proved the existence of WMD in Iraq. Mr Orde actually goes further. He doesn't pretend to produce evidence, not even a dodgy one. We just have to take his word for it.

Here's a good response for other police forces suffering from similar lack of ability. "The big boys did it and ran away."


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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: Big Mick
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 05:12 PM

Agreed, Kevin. Which is why motive behind the introduction of the speculation about the PIRA is completely suspect.

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 05:00 PM

You could equally say, John J, "How is that the people who say the IRA did do this can say that, if they are not part of the IRA command structure?"

And in both cases the logic would be highly suspect.

At this time it is all just speculation. The only thing certain is that there has been this robbery, and that most of the notes taken are, in effect, so much waste paper.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: GUEST,Red Eye
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 04:31 PM

If they did it (PIRA) then good luck to them. I hope the money is spent wisely, rebuilding the lives of men and women who have spent much of their existence in British institutions fighting a great wrong.

Lete hear it for the Republican Prisoners.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: GUEST
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 01:02 PM

You really have to ask?


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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: John J
Date: 17 Jan 05 - 01:01 PM

I have no axe to grind regarding the NI situation other than finding it all to be terribly sad and sincerely hoping that peace will prevail. However with regard to the bank robbery: Adams says he has nothing to do with the IRA, PIRA or whatever. Fine. He also says the IRA / PIRA had nothing to do with the bank robbery. How come a person who has nothing to do with the IRA / PIRA be so well informed?

John


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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: GUEST
Date: 16 Jan 05 - 07:13 PM

Gee. I love this site. Not because you agree with my views. But because you people think things out. When I hear on TV that "intelligence sources have confirned", I can't help thinking if these are are the same "intelligent sources" who confirmed the existence of Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq. The same "intelligence souces who found "incontrovertibe evidence" against the Maguire Family, against the Birminghamn Six and against The Guildford Four. Lig dom.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: Big Mick
Date: 16 Jan 05 - 05:25 PM

That's what it seems to be to me, Com.

Mick


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Subject: BS: NI Bank Robbery and IRA
From: GUEST,Com Seangan
Date: 16 Jan 05 - 05:16 PM

IT would seem to me that the accusation of Sinn Féin being in the know, is a politically motivated ploy by political people who fear the political advances made by Sinn Féin both North and South of the border. Would fair minded members disagree ? WE are still waiting for any concrete evidence that the IRA were the culprits.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: ard mhacha
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 01:16 PM

A few moments ago from BBC NI News, no sign of the white van used in the robbery, no trace of the money, and no arrests yet.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: ard mhacha
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 12:53 PM

Henry McDonald has always been a virulent opponent of the PIRA, his nationalist background is Official IRA certainly no lover of Adams and co.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: Big Mick
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 12:45 PM

Hardly incontrovertable. It is just speculation like so much of the press about the North of Ireland. I don't know if PIRA was involved or not, if the loyalist para's were involved or not, and I don't see the point of suggesting it publicly. UK has a legal system, let them use it.

I am much more interested in the way Sinn Fein is seen in the Republic and in the North of Ireland, in the wake of the unsubstantiated charges. This seems to me to be just one more play to discredit, and jeopardize, the legitimate aspirations of Irish people.

Time will tell. JMO.

Mick


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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: John MacKenzie
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 12:35 PM

Incisive, insightful, interesting,and incontrovertable.
Giok


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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: GUEST,Wolfgang
Date: 11 Jan 05 - 11:41 AM

The politics of daylight robbery (found on the Guardian website)

Wolfgang


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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: McGrath of Harlow
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 07:55 PM

...give the people who have been taking the fight to terrorists some credit...

Why? What I mean is, there's no particular reason to trust anyone in this sort of business. There've been lies in plenty from all parties, and dirty tricks of all sorts.

Obviously it's quite possible that this robbery was carried out by people in the IRA, acting officially or even independently. But there are lots of other possibilities, and mouthing off with firm accusations at this early stage just seems like playing games.


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Subject: RE: BS: UK worst robbery.PIRA?
From: GUEST
Date: 10 Jan 05 - 05:41 PM

Sure Bertie's only worried in case they use the money to finance a Sinn Fein candidate to run against him next election.
Giok

I hardly think that is the case, when the likes of Carson, who came from where btw? Had A CHANCE IN 1922 to make something of the six counties he cocked it up. Prod Ulster for a Prod people, and loyalists wonder where they go wrong.

2005 and it seems lessons are not being learnt, a terrorist is a terrorist no matter how they are packaged, just take the rose tinted glasses off and look at them in the real light of day.

As for the charges being speculation, give the people who have been taking the fight to terrorists some credit, they do know what they are talking about.

My worry is this, "the lads are at it again" attitude, dismissing the actions as not that serious will do nothing but damage. This does nothing but instill's fear and if that is not counteracted nothing that SF/IRA say will resolve the situation.


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